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All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...

 
No offense to the Mooch, but this is the best news I have had all day. :thumbup:   :pickle:
Not if this means **** Jauron is the new head coach and given a multi-year deal as such.
:goodposting: Agreed. Jauron's never been anything but a below-average coordinator, and he was worse as a HC. Given that he has a job at all only because he's Mooch's buddy, he's got some stones demanding any kind of guarantee from the Lions.
 
There is absolutely no way the Lions can afford to hire John L. Smith. Things would immediately go from bad to worse. Football coaches rarely get the ax midseason so that is an indicator of just how bad it is. Hiring a lifetime college coach solves absolutely nothing. Correct me if I am wrong, J. L. Smith experts, but I do not see any NFL work on his resume. The last thing that franchise needs, given the current situation, is a college football coach. Someone plucking J. Johnson, Spurrier or Saban out of the D1 ranks is one thing. Smith is not that coach. The Lions would loose most of their fan base despite Smith's ties to MSU and most, if not all, of their players should that hiring be made, opinion. That move would signal a complete rebuilding, which nobody in uniform or the stands, would have patience for at this time. I know, as a life long fan, that might be the last straw. Jauron is a nice temporary fit. He has previous HC experience and should be able to control the club and keep the players interested and competitive. However, he is temporary or at least I hope so. Things are bad enough that the Lions are going to have to make a splash with their pending HC search. Smith and Jauron do not fit that bill.I fully expect the club to either hire a younger, aggressive coach with a defensive mind and disciplined philosophy that may or may not have previous NFL HC experience but will have an extensive NFL coaching resume (Think Dungy, Nolan, Del Rio, Fox) and pair him with a seasoned OC or they'll go for a name. The only name that comes to mind is Martz, who I do not feel would be a right fit in the HC capacity. I will just say this. If Millen goes to the college ranks to find someone, I am having a bonfire of biblical proportions to burn everything Lion I own. Everyone is welcome to attend but it will be a BYOB event. However, I'll smoke a few briskets and ribs.

 
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No offense to the Mooch, but this is the best news I have had all day. :thumbup: :pickle:
Not if this means **** Jauron is the new head coach and given a multi-year deal as such.
:goodposting: Agreed. Jauron's never been anything but a below-average coordinator, and he was worse as a HC. Given that he has a job at all only because he's Mooch's buddy, he's got some stones demanding any kind of guarantee from the Lions.
26,28,11,27,24

what are those?

where Jauron coached teams ranked in poins scored when he was head coach...

 
A loud mouth sports analyst and former player with 4 super bowl rings may does not make a good or even a decent GM...
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Awwww how cute. Yeah 4 super bowl rings- let's make him the president of the country. Ok Joffer we can just sit here and pretend that MM is a GREAT GM because he won 4 super bowls. Stay hot junior...
 
A loud mouth sports analyst and former player with 4 super bowl rings may does not make a good or even a decent GM...
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Awwww how cute. Yeah 4 super bowl rings- let's make him the president of the country. Ok Joffer we can just sit here and pretend that MM is a GREAT GM because he won 4 super bowls. Stay hot junior...
I said "MAY" Einstein
 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?

 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
 
Ditka and Eric Allen on ESPN are making some excellent points about Matt Millen's role in putting a team together to compete in conference.  Emphasis has not been placed on running the ball and stopping the run.  The fault for the team's failure to address those facets of the game falls squarely on the GM.  :thumbdown:
WHAT!?!?!? The GM doesn't call the ####ing play.GDB the armchair GMs on this board :no:
Can't win a war with rubber bullets. No matter who is pulling the trigger.Millen has failed. PERIOD. No one can say otherwise, and Mooch, like him or not, is the scape goat.

Would love to see Millen get axed by years end.
Mooch is not a scapegoat. He was terrible.
Actually by definition Mooch IS the scapegoat. Mooch did so much with so little in SF, yet in Detroit he fails miserably?I am not going to say Mooch was GREAT it is all Millens fault, its definately a nice mix of both. But Millen has the worst record in the NFL as a GM...

Thats a FACT.
Have you watched the Lions play this year? Some of the worst coaching in the history of the NFL.
:lmao: Again I am not going to say he lit the NFL on fire but 4-7 is not even CLOSE to the worst in the NFL.

Try DOM CAPERS blowing a huge lead to a rookie QB who never threw a pass in the NFL before.

That is one of the worst coaching jobs in history. Time to scale back and get back to reality.

Thanks.

 
May, might, maybe? Who cares? All I know is he IS a lousy GM and IF and WHEN he is fired then and only THEN will the Lions be capable of contending...

 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
The team is averaging 3.5 YPC so don't tell me it's all KJ's fault. Mooch doesn't know how to coach and the OL line is terrible. The only reason Bryson is averaging 5.3 YPC is that Mooch had him run the ball on 3rd down when the defense was playing pass.
 
mkay, i have a question after reading an article.Why fire him now? Are they salvaging the season or is there another move?Did Millen make the move or the owner?Doesnt it say classless to just not finish a season with the Lions. Something SOOO bad had to happen for this to occur.

 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
Please explain to me what moves Millen has made that are so terrible? I look at a team with Harrington, KJ, BMW, ROY, Rogers and a good young defense and see a team that is only a couple pieces away from being a contender.
 
mkay, i have a question after reading an article.

Why fire him now? Are they salvaging the season or is there another move?

Did Millen make the move or the owner?

Doesnt it say classless to just not finish a season with the Lions. Something SOOO bad had to happen for this to occur.
Millen wants him fired so people don't realize how bad Millen is.
 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.

 
Ditka and Eric Allen on ESPN are making some excellent points about Matt Millen's role in putting a team together to compete in conference. Emphasis has not been placed on running the ball and stopping the run. The fault for the team's failure to address those facets of the game falls squarely on the GM. :thumbdown:
WHAT!?!?!? The GM doesn't call the ####ing play.GDB the armchair GMs on this board :no:
Can't win a war with rubber bullets. No matter who is pulling the trigger.Millen has failed. PERIOD. No one can say otherwise, and Mooch, like him or not, is the scape goat.

Would love to see Millen get axed by years end.
Mooch is not a scapegoat. He was terrible.
Actually by definition Mooch IS the scapegoat. Mooch did so much with so little in SF, yet in Detroit he fails miserably?I am not going to say Mooch was GREAT it is all Millens fault, its definately a nice mix of both. But Millen has the worst record in the NFL as a GM...

Thats a FACT.
Have you watched the Lions play this year? Some of the worst coaching in the history of the NFL.
:lmao: Again I am not going to say he lit the NFL on fire but 4-7 is not even CLOSE to the worst in the NFL.

Try DOM CAPERS blowing a huge lead to a rookie QB who never threw a pass in the NFL before.

That is one of the worst coaching jobs in history. Time to scale back and get back to reality.

Thanks.
I like Mooch, but he was clueless.I assume you have watched every Lions game this year. I will also assume you have watched the Lions with a blind fold on and plugs in your ears....for that is my only explanation of your recent posts.

He lost his entire team! (Except Garcia)

 
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First-I like Mooch. And think he is a very good head coach. He didn't suddenly become stupid when he left a succesful run in SF....

Second-Matt Millen must have pics of someone in the Ford family with farm animals, because he is a waste of GM space....

I hated the Lions goin in this year. And here's why:

You get hired as the new coach, look over the team and state:

we need:

O'linemen

D' Linemen

LB's

DB's

(you have inherited a QB and 1 injury prone WR, both with talent, so you cannot complain as HC about that)

The GM then goes out and drafts:

another WR

another WR

1LB-Teddy Lehman

No DL's of significance

No DBs

NO OL.

Your team sucks, but hey. You have a great RB and and 3 potentialy deadly WR's right?

You fail.

Because the team sucks, assembled by the GM.

And you get fired.

Sometimes, I do not like the NFL.....
since 2002 Millen has drafted three Lineman, the same number of first round WRs he has drafted.Millen is brain dead
ANd signed Woody away from the Champs, and DeMullling from this year's probable champ....both of whom have completely regressed under these coaches. Millen is not brain dead...he was fooled by Mooch just like the rest of us.
 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
The team is averaging 3.5 YPC so don't tell me it's all KJ's fault. Mooch doesn't know how to coach and the OL line is terrible. The only reason Bryson is averaging 5.3 YPC is that Mooch had him run the ball on 3rd down when the defense was playing pass.
K Jones 3.3 ypc on 159 atts- Kevin Barlow type of numbers and Barlow is on the worst offense in the NFL. All I am saying is Kevin Jones just did not quite live up to the hype- did he?
 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
Agreed. This team has vastly more talent than to be 4-7, which is exactly why Mooch has been fired.
 
First-I like Mooch. And think he is a very good head coach. He didn't suddenly become stupid when he left a succesful run in SF....

Second-Matt Millen must have pics of someone in the Ford family with farm animals, because he is a waste of GM space....

I hated the Lions goin in this year. And here's why:

You get hired as the new coach, look over the team and state:

we need:

O'linemen

D' Linemen

LB's

DB's

(you have inherited a QB and 1 injury prone WR, both with talent, so you cannot complain as HC about that)

The GM then goes out and drafts:

another WR

another WR

1LB-Teddy Lehman

No DL's of significance

No DBs

NO OL.

Your team sucks, but hey. You have a great RB and and 3 potentialy deadly WR's right?

You fail.

Because the team sucks, assembled by the GM.

And you get fired.

Sometimes, I do not like the NFL.....
since 2002 Millen has drafted three Lineman, the same number of first round WRs he has drafted.Millen is brain dead
ANd signed Woody away from the Champs, and DeMullling from this year's probable champ....both of whom have completely regressed under these coaches. Millen is not brain dead...he was fooled by Mooch just like the rest of us.
well geez3 drafted linemen and one free agent...he's done everything humanly possible to fix the line!

lets draft another first round WRs this year and see how the line improves next year!

did morningweigh fool Millen too?

did charles rogers fool Millen?

how about harrington?

you are close, Millen is a fool!

 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
 
K Jones 3.3 ypc on 159 atts- Kevin Barlow type of numbers and Barlow is on the worst offense in the NFL. All I am saying is Kevin Jones just did not quite live up to the hype- did he?
A little premature ejac........, ah, never mind.Edited to say he was one of the best RB's in the league the last half of 2004. Yep, it's time to call him a bust alright.

 
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No offense to the Mooch, but this is the best news I have had all day. :thumbup:   :pickle:
Not if this means **** Jauron is the new head coach and given a multi-year deal as such.
:goodposting: Agreed. Jauron's never been anything but a below-average coordinator, and he was worse as a HC. Given that he has a job at all only because he's Mooch's buddy, he's got some stones demanding any kind of guarantee from the Lions.
26,28,11,27,24what are those?

where Jauron coached teams ranked in poins scored when he was head coach...
And right about where the Bears have been ranked--including this year--since he left.End of story.

 
Ditka and Eric Allen on ESPN are making some excellent points about Matt Millen's role in putting a team together to compete in conference.  Emphasis has not been placed on running the ball and stopping the run.  The fault for the team's failure to address those facets of the game falls squarely on the GM.  :thumbdown:
WHAT!?!?!? The GM doesn't call the ####ing play.GDB the armchair GMs on this board :no:
Can't win a war with rubber bullets. No matter who is pulling the trigger.Millen has failed. PERIOD. No one can say otherwise, and Mooch, like him or not, is the scape goat.

Would love to see Millen get axed by years end.
Mooch is not a scapegoat. He was terrible.
Actually by definition Mooch IS the scapegoat. Mooch did so much with so little in SF, yet in Detroit he fails miserably?I am not going to say Mooch was GREAT it is all Millens fault, its definately a nice mix of both. But Millen has the worst record in the NFL as a GM...

Thats a FACT.
Have you watched the Lions play this year? Some of the worst coaching in the history of the NFL.
:lmao: Again I am not going to say he lit the NFL on fire but 4-7 is not even CLOSE to the worst in the NFL.

Try DOM CAPERS blowing a huge lead to a rookie QB who never threw a pass in the NFL before.

That is one of the worst coaching jobs in history. Time to scale back and get back to reality.

Thanks.
I like Mooch, but he was clueless.I assume you have watched every Lions game this year. I will also assume you have watched the Lions with a blind fold on and plugs in your ears....for that is my only explanation of your recent posts.

He lost his entire team! (Except Garcia)
Ok I didnt realize you had the Locker room report for the Lions... since you know this as fact, thats great. :rolleyes:

Have not watched all the lions games... but I also watched San Diego do a HECK of a worse job on Buffalo and no one is saying Mularky lost his team....

So are you willing to give the Buffalo locker room reports too? So we know if Mularky lost his team yet or not???

 
Mooch had to go, for the Ford's had to keep up with the Jones's.Mr D-Canned Larry BrownMr I- Canned Dave LewisMr I- Canned Alan Trammel...all with in the last 6 monhs

 
mkay, i have a question after reading an article.

Why fire him now? Are they salvaging the season or is there another move?

Did Millen make the move or the owner?

Doesnt it say classless to just not finish a season with the Lions. Something SOOO bad had to happen for this to occur.
Mooch lost the team.
 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:

 
No offense to the Mooch, but this is the best news I have had all day. :thumbup: :pickle:
Not if this means **** Jauron is the new head coach and given a multi-year deal as such.
:goodposting: Agreed. Jauron's never been anything but a below-average coordinator, and he was worse as a HC. Given that he has a job at all only because he's Mooch's buddy, he's got some stones demanding any kind of guarantee from the Lions.
26,28,11,27,24what are those?

where Jauron coached teams ranked in poins scored when he was head coach...
And right about where the Bears have been ranked--including this year--since he left.End of story.
which still does not show that DJ has ever been able to coach an offense.
 
Many experts picked them to win the division before the season started. The reason many experts picked them is because they have talent. Why the hell else would they be picked to win the division?

 
mkay, i have a question after reading an article.

Why fire him now? Are they salvaging the season or is there another move?

Did Millen make the move or the owner?

Doesnt it say classless to just not finish a season with the Lions. Something SOOO bad had to happen for this to occur.
Temporary move to appease your fan base. Did you see how many people started leaving Ford Field on Thursday? There are still a few home games on the schedule, which means there are beers; sodas; foam fingers and jerseys to be sold. Someone had to go...RIGHT NOW...to put a bandaid on the financial piece. Hey, folks, this is your GM manager speaking. We, ownership and I , are aware there is a problem and we are working to resolve the manner. The players quit on the coach. It does not get any worse. Failure to do something on behalf of ownership and or management would perhaps cause more damage to an already strained relationship with the team. Mooch had to go. Guys, we in the front office know things are bad but hang in there with us. We'll get the right guy for the job. Play nice with **** between now and Christmas and see you in the spring.

I have been on the sidelines or at many, many college and pro games. I was at the Lions v. Cowboys game a couple weeks back. I have never seen so many players outwardly disgruntled or argumentative with each other and coaches on a sideline during the game. Bad sign...very bad sign.

From what I saw there is more to K. Jones situation than being hurt. He got right in a few coaches backsides every...single...time he was inexplicably taken out of the game. Perception being reality I would hedge my bet Jones had managed to voice his displeasure to a point he got on Mooch's bad side. I don't buy the injury story on Thursday. There is more to it, opinion.

 
Ditka and Eric Allen on ESPN are making some excellent points about Matt Millen's role in putting a team together to compete in conference. Emphasis has not been placed on running the ball and stopping the run. The fault for the team's failure to address those facets of the game falls squarely on the GM. :thumbdown:
WHAT!?!?!? The GM doesn't call the ####ing play.GDB the armchair GMs on this board :no:
Can't win a war with rubber bullets. No matter who is pulling the trigger.Millen has failed. PERIOD. No one can say otherwise, and Mooch, like him or not, is the scape goat.

Would love to see Millen get axed by years end.
Mooch is not a scapegoat. He was terrible.
Actually by definition Mooch IS the scapegoat. Mooch did so much with so little in SF, yet in Detroit he fails miserably?I am not going to say Mooch was GREAT it is all Millens fault, its definately a nice mix of both. But Millen has the worst record in the NFL as a GM...

Thats a FACT.
Have you watched the Lions play this year? Some of the worst coaching in the history of the NFL.
:lmao: Again I am not going to say he lit the NFL on fire but 4-7 is not even CLOSE to the worst in the NFL.

Try DOM CAPERS blowing a huge lead to a rookie QB who never threw a pass in the NFL before.

That is one of the worst coaching jobs in history. Time to scale back and get back to reality.

Thanks.
I like Mooch, but he was clueless.I assume you have watched every Lions game this year. I will also assume you have watched the Lions with a blind fold on and plugs in your ears....for that is my only explanation of your recent posts.

He lost his entire team! (Except Garcia)
Ok I didnt realize you had the Locker room report for the Lions... since you know this as fact, thats great. :rolleyes:

Have not watched all the lions games... but I also watched San Diego do a HECK of a worse job on Buffalo and no one is saying Mularky lost his team....

So are you willing to give the Buffalo locker room reports too? So we know if Mularky lost his team yet or not???
Can’t comment on Buffalo for I have not watched them at all this year. I have watched, read, listened and evaluated this circus all year. It’s a known fact around Detroit that Mooch lost the team. It is also well known that he did an absolute terrible job with the Detroit offense and play calling. Some offensive Guru!He was hard headed and refused to game plan with his talent in mind-which is coaching 101.

You build your play calling around your talent. He didn’t utilize what he had to work with. He didn’t put them in a position to succeed. He was a conservative, hard headed, my way is the only way and he went down because of his pride.

 
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For Lions fans' sake, **** Jauron better not lose the "interim" tag at any point.
Are you a Bear fan? **** led them to a 13-3 record his second year with the Bears. And Mr. Lovie's current record is 13-14 as a Bear coach. In fact, the Bears will have to run the table to come close to achieving what Jauron did his first two years with the Bears.But the Bears are obviously so much better off with Lovie who will OBVIOUSLY be a much better coach than Jauron :pics:

 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
Please explain to me what moves Millen has made that are so terrible? I look at a team with Harrington, KJ, BMW, ROY, Rogers and a good young defense and see a team that is only a couple pieces away from being a contender.
:confused: When you have to mention Joey Harrington as a positive, you're in trouble

In Rogers, I'm going to assume you mean S. Rogers and not C. Rogers, because he's been a failure on multiple levels

"Good young defense" is a relative term to be sure. Detroit is 16th in points allowed and 14th in yards allowed despite playing offensive juggernauts like Chicago [twice], Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.

 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
 
No offense to the Mooch, but this is the best news I have had all day. :thumbup:   :pickle:
Not if this means **** Jauron is the new head coach and given a multi-year deal as such.
:goodposting: Agreed. Jauron's never been anything but a below-average coordinator, and he was worse as a HC. Given that he has a job at all only because he's Mooch's buddy, he's got some stones demanding any kind of guarantee from the Lions.
26,28,11,27,24what are those?

where Jauron coached teams ranked in poins scored when he was head coach...
And right about where the Bears have been ranked--including this year--since he left.End of story.
Well, wait...what's the story again? Are you saying Jauron is not a mediocre coach because the Bears haven't improved since he left? I don't follow that logic.For fun, here are the rankings of the defensive squads Jauron has coached (in points allowed; almost across the board, they rank worse using yards allowed):

1995 - 1998 (JAX): 28 19 15 17

2004 - 2005 (DET): 18 16

In other words, Jauron's been a pretty average--at best--coordinator.

 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
Please explain to me what moves Millen has made that are so terrible? I look at a team with Harrington, KJ, BMW, ROY, Rogers and a good young defense and see a team that is only a couple pieces away from being a contender.
:confused: When you have to mention Joey Harrington as a positive, you're in trouble

In Rogers, I'm going to assume you mean S. Rogers and not C. Rogers, because he's been a failure on multiple levels

"Good young defense" is a relative term to be sure. Detroit is 16th in points allowed and 14th in yards allowed despite playing offensive juggernauts like Chicago [twice], Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.
It shoud be noted that Millen wanted Jammer and his hand was forced by Ford Jr. Billy wanted Joey.
 
For Lions fans' sake, **** Jauron better not lose the "interim" tag at any point.
Are you a Bear fan? **** led them to a 13-3 record his second year with the Bears. And Mr. Lovie's current record is 13-14 as a Bear coach. In fact, the Bears will have to run the table to come close to achieving what Jauron did his first two years with the Bears.But the Bears are obviously so much better off with Lovie who will OBVIOUSLY be a much better coach than Jauron :pics:
:confused: Not a Bear fan, just an objective observer. Convenient that you mention Jauron's 13-3 record in his 2nd year...

He was 13-3 in his THIRD year actually

In the other four years he coached the Bears they were a combined 22-42 :X
His average W-L record in Chicago was...7-9
Four of his 5 years were sub-.500
In the year they were 13-3, the Bears D ranked 1st in points allowed...the other four years? 21st, 20th, 25th, 22nd
In the year they were 13-3, the Bears O ranked 11th in points scored...the other four years? 26th, 28th, 27th, 24thCan anyone say ANOMALY?

 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
I'm not defending Millen here. I'm questioning how you can make your claims about KJ.He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. Can't argue that.

Their OL does suck, as does the QB play. So to say he is a tinkerbell is silly.

It's hard for him to do very well when he has less than 30 carries in the last 3 games.

My reference to Martin was this, you are taking this years stats for KJ and making a statement about a career. You have no clue how good he's going to be. With a solid QB and good OL, he could be dominant.

 
It shoud be noted that Millen wanted Jammer and his hand was forced by Ford Jr. Billy wanted Joey.
I said this earlier. They need a new owner. I gave up years ago when I started believing they needed a new owner. He is clueless. As additional support in my opinion, anyone that makes a car that can be respelled "DORF" has to go. :popcorn:
 
On a side note, what about Jim Fassel?
Because he's done such a bang up job reinvigorating that Ravens offense :confused: Fassel is a "good" NFL coach, he's most definitely not great. If the Lions are going to grab someone new, why not go for greatness potentially?

 
On a side note, what about Jim Fassel?
Because he's done such a bang up job reinvigorating that Ravens offense :confused: Fassel is a "good" NFL coach, he's most definitely not great. If the Lions are going to grab someone new, why not go for greatness potentially?
Agreed.But the problem I have with going young is that means rebuilding again.

Many people think this team is primed for a playoff run. It's not getting any younger on the defensive side of the ball.

I think the Lions are faced with a dilema. Go youth and rebuild. Or hire a veteran coach who demands respect and can possibly take this talent on a playoff run.

 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
I'm not defending Millen here. I'm questioning how you can make your claims about KJ.He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. Can't argue that.

Their OL does suck, as does the QB play. So to say he is a tinkerbell is silly.

It's hard for him to do very well when he has less than 30 carries in the last 3 games.

My reference to Martin was this, you are taking this years stats for KJ and making a statement about a career. You have no clue how good he's going to be. With a solid QB and good OL, he could be dominant.
Any RB can be dominating with a solid OL and a good QB. Look at the Bears- solid OL and a rookie QB. They are running very well.Comparing Martin w Jones is not going to be accurate at all. The Jets have suffered a load of injuries this year but they were in contention last year. Martin is a possible HOF player and he plays hurt and has more durability than KJ. KJ can learn a few things from CM.

The Lions? They have been struggling and it has been quite some time since they won a playoff game. All I am saying is he is not the RB I would hang my hat on and MM is not the GM to get it done.

KJ is not getting carries because he is always getting hurt. Correct me if I am wrong but he has played in 11 games this year and he must have been hurt in at least 6 of these games. He might have looked good at the end of last year but he is not the type of back that a team will hang their offense on if he continues to drop in the middle of the second quarter...

 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
Please explain to me what moves Millen has made that are so terrible? I look at a team with Harrington, KJ, BMW, ROY, Rogers and a good young defense and see a team that is only a couple pieces away from being a contender.
:confused: When you have to mention Joey Harrington as a positive, you're in trouble

In Rogers, I'm going to assume you mean S. Rogers and not C. Rogers, because he's been a failure on multiple levels

"Good young defense" is a relative term to be sure. Detroit is 16th in points allowed and 14th in yards allowed despite playing offensive juggernauts like Chicago [twice], Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.
It shoud be noted that Millen wanted Jammer and his hand was forced by Ford Jr. Billy wanted Joey.
I'm not saying Harrington is the greatest ever, but I think he has the talent to be successful in the right offense. He deserves a lot of blame, but Garcia was only marginally better despite Harrington facing the leagues' top pass defenses to start the season (Packers, Bucs, Bears and Ravens).
 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
I'm not defending Millen here. I'm questioning how you can make your claims about KJ.He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. Can't argue that.

Their OL does suck, as does the QB play. So to say he is a tinkerbell is silly.

It's hard for him to do very well when he has less than 30 carries in the last 3 games.

My reference to Martin was this, you are taking this years stats for KJ and making a statement about a career. You have no clue how good he's going to be. With a solid QB and good OL, he could be dominant.
Any RB can be dominating with a solid OL and a good QB. Look at the Bears- solid OL and a rookie QB. They are running very well.Comparing Martin w Jones is not going to be accurate at all. The Jets have suffered a load of injuries this year but they were in contention last year. Martin is a possible HOF player and he plays hurt and has more durability than KJ. KJ can learn a few things from CM.

The Lions? They have been struggling and it has been quite some time since they won a playoff game. All I am saying is he is not the RB I would hang my hat on and MM is not the GM to get it done.

KJ is not getting carries because he is always getting hurt. Correct me if I am wrong but he has played in 11 games this year and he must have been hurt in at least 6 of these games. He might have looked good at the end of last year but he is not the type of back that a team will hang their offense on if he continues to drop in the middle of the second quarter...
Here's his injury history - do you know something we don't?
 
All this talk that the Lions have no talent is nonsense. They have a future stud RB, one of the top skilled WRs in the NFL, a # of other solid to above average WRs, a great 3rd down back, a great blocking fullback, some solid O-linemen. They have some solid to good secondary players (Bly, Kennedy, etc). They have good, quick LBs, they have a GREAT D-line. Harrington may or may not suck but the offense hasnt done much with Garcia either. IMO the schemes and coaching for all the units have pretty much failed the team this year. I think Millen has built a solid squad that with a good coach could have competed for a playoff spot this year. Your telling me they don't have more talent than Minnesota? And Minnesota is competing for a playoff spot even WITH that idiot Tice. Therefore, Mariucci is probably a worse coach than Tice.
:goodposting: Millen has done a good job getting talent but the coach hasn't done anything with it. Could anyone honestly say that a coach like Parcells couldn't make a winner out of the Lions?
A coach like Parcells would not be dumb enough to work for Matt Millen
Please explain to me what moves Millen has made that are so terrible? I look at a team with Harrington, KJ, BMW, ROY, Rogers and a good young defense and see a team that is only a couple pieces away from being a contender.
:confused: When you have to mention Joey Harrington as a positive, you're in trouble

In Rogers, I'm going to assume you mean S. Rogers and not C. Rogers, because he's been a failure on multiple levels

"Good young defense" is a relative term to be sure. Detroit is 16th in points allowed and 14th in yards allowed despite playing offensive juggernauts like Chicago [twice], Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.
It shoud be noted that Millen wanted Jammer and his hand was forced by Ford Jr. Billy wanted Joey.
I'm not saying Harrington is the greatest ever, but I think he has the talent to be successful in the right offense. He deserves a lot of blame, but Garcia was only marginally better despite Harrington facing the leagues' top pass defenses to start the season (Packers, Bucs, Bears and Ravens).
What component of Harrington's career leads you to believe he's equipped to be a solid NFL starter? And don't you think all the talk of his inability to handle the huddle and not fitting into the locker room should be filed under: Where there's smoke, there's fire?
 
I'm not saying Harrington is the greatest ever, but I think he has the talent to be successful in the right offense. He deserves a lot of blame, but Garcia was only marginally better despite Harrington facing the leagues' top pass defenses to start the season (Packers, Bucs, Bears and Ravens).
Garcia, while at one time a deserved Pro-Bowler, is d-o-n-e.Harrington does not have talent.

This is another likely landing spot for John Kitna next year, until the Lions can be in position to draft someone better.

They'll probably be in the Vince Young sweepstakes next year.

 

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