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All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
I'm not defending Millen here. I'm questioning how you can make your claims about KJ.He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. Can't argue that.

Their OL does suck, as does the QB play. So to say he is a tinkerbell is silly.

It's hard for him to do very well when he has less than 30 carries in the last 3 games.

My reference to Martin was this, you are taking this years stats for KJ and making a statement about a career. You have no clue how good he's going to be. With a solid QB and good OL, he could be dominant.
Any RB can be dominating with a solid OL and a good QB. Look at the Bears- solid OL and a rookie QB. They are running very well.Comparing Martin w Jones is not going to be accurate at all. The Jets have suffered a load of injuries this year but they were in contention last year. Martin is a possible HOF player and he plays hurt and has more durability than KJ. KJ can learn a few things from CM.

The Lions? They have been struggling and it has been quite some time since they won a playoff game. All I am saying is he is not the RB I would hang my hat on and MM is not the GM to get it done.

KJ is not getting carries because he is always getting hurt. Correct me if I am wrong but he has played in 11 games this year and he must have been hurt in at least 6 of these games. He might have looked good at the end of last year but he is not the type of back that a team will hang their offense on if he continues to drop in the middle of the second quarter...
KJ isn't getting carries because of the playcalling. If anything, he gets pulled because he lacks blocking skills.

But you said he was the most overhyped. That would probably belong to McGahee.

 
I'm not saying Harrington is the greatest ever, but I think he has the talent to be successful in the right offense.  He deserves a lot of blame, but Garcia was only marginally better despite Harrington facing the leagues' top pass defenses to start the season (Packers, Bucs, Bears and Ravens).
Garcia, while at one time a deserved Pro-Bowler, is d-o-n-e.Harrington does not have talent.

This is another likely landing spot for John Kitna next year, until the Lions can be in position to draft someone better.

They'll probably be in the Vince Young sweepstakes next year.
Kitna would be nice.
 
Who is the next head coach? Killer says it could be Gregg Williams, Redskins defensive coordinator. Russ Grimm, Steelers offensive line coach is a hot name who also played with Millen. The Giants' Tim Lewis always comes up, but he never gets the job. Much like Tony Dungy at one time. Scott Linehan, offensive coordinator in Miami. Al Saunders, offensive coordinator of the Chiefs. Mike Singletary, despite being a linebacker coach, will be an interesting guy down the road. Millen wanted Mornhinweg to hire Singletary, so you know he still likes him. Don't forget about Art Shell, the former Raiders coach. You know how Millen loves Raider-nation
 
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He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. That line right there caused a whole lot of wasted 1st/2nd round picks this year. Of course there was allways the "look who he did it against" comeback which turned out to be the correct one.

 
He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004.

That line right there caused a whole lot of wasted 1st/2nd round picks this year. Of course there was allways the "look who he did it against" comeback which turned out to be the correct one.

Just means next year he'll be a steal. :)

 
Who is the next head coach? Killer says it could be Gregg Williams, Redskins defensive coordinator. Russ Grimm, Steelers offensive line coach is a hot name who also played with Millen. The Giants' Tim Lewis always comes up, but he never gets the job. Much like Tony Dungy at one time. Scott Linehan, offensive coordinator in Miami. Al Saunders, offensive coordinator of the Chiefs. Mike Singletary, despite being a linebacker coach, will be an interesting guy down the road. Millen wanted Mornhinweg to hire Singletary, so you know he still likes him. Don't forget about Art Shell, the former Raiders coach. You know how Millen loves Raider-nation
What about Tom Moore, current OC for the Colts and former Steelers and Lions OC. Is he head coach material? He at least knows how to run an offense and I'm sure he would utilize KJ and the Lions WR effectively. He got Herman Moore and Brett Perriman 100 Receptions each back in '95. Barry was pretty good too. Man do I miss watching Barry Sanders.

 
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The GM is responsible for placing the talent on the field. Talent that many football fans loved before the season started. The talent currently on the Lions is more than enough to be a mediocre team that competes, but this team is pathetic. Millen may be to blame for the Lions not having playoff-caliber talent, but the the embarrassment on Thanksgiving Day is the coach, not the GM.
So who hired the coach? Doesn't Millen have to take some responsibility for the performance of his hired, hand picked help? The Lions have had the lowest winning percentage in the league since Millen took over and has hired two coaches during that span - Marty Morningweg and Steve Mariucci. The GM is ultimately responsible for anything football operations related and should be held accountable for the performance of the coaching staff if he hired them.
 
The GM is responsible for placing the talent on the field.  Talent that many football fans loved before the season started.  The talent currently on the Lions is more than enough to be a mediocre team that competes, but this team is pathetic.  Millen may be to blame for the Lions not having playoff-caliber talent, but the the embarrassment on Thanksgiving Day is the coach, not the GM.
So who hired the coach? Doesn't Millen have to take some responsibility for the performance of his hired, hand picked help? The Lions have had the lowest winning percentage in the league since Millen took over and has hired two coaches during that span - Marty Morningweg and Steve Mariucci. The GM is ultimately responsible for anything football operations related and should be held accountable for the performance of the coaching staff if he hired them.
agreed. I don't believe Millen has done a great job, and he is partially responsible for the team's lack of success.
 
Who is the next head coach? Killer says it could be Gregg Williams, Redskins defensive coordinator. Russ Grimm, Steelers offensive line coach is a hot name who also played with Millen. The Giants' Tim Lewis always comes up, but he never gets the job. Much like Tony Dungy at one time. Scott Linehan, offensive coordinator in Miami. Al Saunders, offensive coordinator of the Chiefs. Mike Singletary, despite being a linebacker coach, will be an interesting guy down the road. Millen wanted Mornhinweg to hire Singletary, so you know he still likes him. Don't forget about Art Shell, the former Raiders coach. You know how Millen loves Raider-nation
What about Tom Moore, current OC for the Colts and former Steelers and Lions OC. Is he head coach material? He at least knows how to run an offense and I'm sure he would utilize KJ and the Lions WR effectively. He got Herman Moore and Brett Perriman 100 Receptions each back in '95. Barry was pretty good too. Man do I miss watching Barry Sanders.
Not to be snarky, but what's he done without Barry Sanders or Peyton Manning? I'm honestly curious about his track record withouth HOFers.
 
All this chatter about how great Kevin Jones is supposed to be? Hmmmmmmm and it is all Mooch's fault? I have news for you folks- Kevin Jones has to be one of THE most hyped RBs in the NFL. Kevin Jones- well that guy should find another gig. Kevin Jones is a fragile tinker bell and will always be a fragile tinker bell...
:rolleyes: Quality stuff here.
Yep quality stuff indeed my friend. Long season in Detroit? Hope u r a Piston fan. If u want to come up here defending KJ with some of these cute football guy one liners I can hang out and eat u alive. No problem there...
LOL....what are you, 12?Their line sucks as does the QB play. Ever notice how when a team has a struggling QB, defenses stack the line to take away the run?

I suppose since Martin is having a bad year, he sucks too? :lmao:
Nice- 12 years old and now we are comparing Kevin Jones to Curtis Martin? I can one up u and u did a fine job here yourself- the OL line sucks, the QB sucks, the GM sucks, the RB sucks, the receivers suck but it is all Mooch's fault. Stick around at the bottom of the pile with the Packers and the Texans my friend. This team is a mess and Mr. 4 Super Bowl rings is running the circus....
I'm not defending Millen here. I'm questioning how you can make your claims about KJ.He did lead the league in rushing in the 2nd half of 2004. Can't argue that.

Their OL does suck, as does the QB play. So to say he is a tinkerbell is silly.

It's hard for him to do very well when he has less than 30 carries in the last 3 games.

My reference to Martin was this, you are taking this years stats for KJ and making a statement about a career. You have no clue how good he's going to be. With a solid QB and good OL, he could be dominant.
Any RB can be dominating with a solid OL and a good QB. Look at the Bears- solid OL and a rookie QB. They are running very well.Comparing Martin w Jones is not going to be accurate at all. The Jets have suffered a load of injuries this year but they were in contention last year. Martin is a possible HOF player and he plays hurt and has more durability than KJ. KJ can learn a few things from CM.

The Lions? They have been struggling and it has been quite some time since they won a playoff game. All I am saying is he is not the RB I would hang my hat on and MM is not the GM to get it done.

KJ is not getting carries because he is always getting hurt. Correct me if I am wrong but he has played in 11 games this year and he must have been hurt in at least 6 of these games. He might have looked good at the end of last year but he is not the type of back that a team will hang their offense on if he continues to drop in the middle of the second quarter...
KJ isn't getting carries because of the playcalling. If anything, he gets pulled because he lacks blocking skills.

But you said he was the most overhyped. That would probably belong to McGahee.
Lacking blocking skills is huge. This can effect a player's relationship with his HC. I have no idea if this is why he was not getting carries outside of the injuries but it can lead to a host of issues. I agree that WM was a tough one this year but so was Clinton Portis. The only thing that matters now is what can Jauron do to see what the team has left in the tank for next year. Give Jones the ball a ton and use the receivers...
 
The GM is responsible for placing the talent on the field.  Talent that many football fans loved before the season started.  The talent currently on the Lions is more than enough to be a mediocre team that competes, but this team is pathetic.  Millen may be to blame for the Lions not having playoff-caliber talent, but the the embarrassment on Thanksgiving Day is the coach, not the GM.
So who hired the coach? Doesn't Millen have to take some responsibility for the performance of his hired, hand picked help? The Lions have had the lowest winning percentage in the league since Millen took over and has hired two coaches during that span - Marty Morningweg and Steve Mariucci. The GM is ultimately responsible for anything football operations related and should be held accountable for the performance of the coaching staff if he hired them.
agreed. I don't believe Millen has done a great job, and he is partially responsible for the team's lack of success.
And yet Detroit gave him a five year contract extension. Maybe the problem extends beyond even the GM. :rolleyes:
 
Mooch would not change the scheme to fit the talent. That is the bottom line. They start jettisonning talent and there will be some happy contenders out there. A young team needs discipline in the locker room. Mooch let them bicker and behave like women and they ended up playing like them. Mooch made his rep with veterans, not a bunch of rookies. You put Rogers in Dallas, cheaply, and you could see a Plaxico type turn around. This just was not a good fit and somebody had to go before the whole ship went down. At least a firing gives everyone hope that somebody great will get hired for next year. That renews season tickets.

 
this is good news for Mariuchi, getting out of the cesspool that is Detroit Lions football. He is probably happy as hell today.

 
Mike Singletary
Personality wise he is what that team needs. Singletary has a strong enough character to teach, lead and mentor that club and get rid of those not willing to follow suit. He would bring a presence with him that would demand respect, effort and hardwork. He might fall a little short in the X & O department in the court of public opinion but pair him with a strong pair of assistants and have at it. I would much rather see the Lions make an aggressive hiring of this nature versus attempting to recultivate the career of a guy like Fassel, for example.
 
Mike Singletary
Personality wise he is what that team needs. Singletary has a strong enough character to teach, lead and mentor that club and get rid of those not willing to follow suit. He would bring a presence with him that would demand respect, effort and hardwork. He might fall a little short in the X & O department in the court of public opinion but pair him with a strong pair of assistants and have at it. I would much rather see the Lions make an aggressive hiring of this nature versus attempting to recultivate the career of a guy like Fassel, for example.
I can't help but thinking singletary would be a huge flop. Has he ever even been a coordinator?
 
Since it's nearly 100% fact that Millen stays, who becomes the next coach?

This team is primed to at least compete, so a head coach with experience and an iron fist would be ideal........like a Parcells.

Note: I am NOT saying they have a shot at Parcells, just the need for someone like him.
Anyone but a friggin' WCO coach.
John L. Smith is latest rumor ....
LIES
 
Who is the next head coach? Killer says it could be Gregg Williams, Redskins defensive coordinator. Russ Grimm, Steelers offensive line coach is a hot name who also played with Millen. The Giants' Tim Lewis always comes up, but he never gets the job. Much like Tony Dungy at one time. Scott Linehan, offensive coordinator in Miami. Al Saunders, offensive coordinator of the Chiefs. Mike Singletary, despite being a linebacker coach, will be an interesting guy down the road. Millen wanted Mornhinweg to hire Singletary, so you know he still likes him. Don't forget about Art Shell, the former Raiders coach. You know how Millen loves Raider-nation
What about Tom Moore, current OC for the Colts and former Steelers and Lions OC. Is he head coach material? He at least knows how to run an offense and I'm sure he would utilize KJ and the Lions WR effectively. He got Herman Moore and Brett Perriman 100 Receptions each back in '95. Barry was pretty good too. Man do I miss watching Barry Sanders.
Not to be snarky, but what's he done without Barry Sanders or Peyton Manning? I'm honestly curious about his track record withouth HOFers.
He made Scott Mitchell look like Peyton Manning in 1995. His '95 numbers were 4338yds, 32 TD, 12 INT. The Colts offense of today is all Moore. He's been with Peyton since his rookie year. You can say he has HOF talent, but he's been the guy running the system since Day 1. He'll probably never get a HC shot, since he's too old and not really a good front man. But I like how Edge summed him up:

"Tom's direct," running back Edgerrin James said. "He'll get on you. That can bother some guys. But I'm more laid-back. I'll tell you one thing, he knows everything there is to know about football. He's got a million stories. And he knows how to put points on the board. I know that. He's a bad mother------."

LOL. If Edge says you are a bad mother------, then it must be so.

 
I can't help but thinking singletary would be a huge flop. Has he ever even been a coordinator?
That's why I qualified that statement by stating the team would have to hire a pair of strong assistants to help him and the hiring will most likely not happen. He is a few years away from being prepared to run a team. From a strict coaching aspect he is probably not ready for the gig. From a leadership standpoint he is exactly what the team needs, which is why I would much rather see the dice rolled on him versus a retread. The Lions lack an identity at the top setting the tone. This is obvious by all of the kind words being showered upon Mooch, Millen and the Fords today. Singletary's character is strong enough to be that person but the timing is just not right. Tactically speaking, he is not strong enough, and would have to have a pair of extremely willing and ego-less assistants. That probably is not going to happen.
 
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Mike Singletary
Personality wise he is what that team needs. Singletary has a strong enough character to teach, lead and mentor that club and get rid of those not willing to follow suit. He would bring a presence with him that would demand respect, effort and hardwork. He might fall a little short in the X & O department in the court of public opinion but pair him with a strong pair of assistants and have at it. I would much rather see the Lions make an aggressive hiring of this nature versus attempting to recultivate the career of a guy like Fassel, for example.
I can't help but thinking singletary would be a huge flop. Has he ever even been a coordinator?
While I agree it's not the most conventional route, he certainly wouldn't be the first. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator either and he's been great for my Birds. Russ Grimm got serious consideration in Chicago last year and he's never been an OC.
 
Just turned on the press conference. Sounds like Jauron is in as interim coach. I haven't heard them actually say that though. Terrible streaming quality.

 
Mike Singletary
Personality wise he is what that team needs. Singletary has a strong enough character to teach, lead and mentor that club and get rid of those not willing to follow suit. He would bring a presence with him that would demand respect, effort and hardwork. He might fall a little short in the X & O department in the court of public opinion but pair him with a strong pair of assistants and have at it. I would much rather see the Lions make an aggressive hiring of this nature versus attempting to recultivate the career of a guy like Fassel, for example.
I can't help but thinking singletary would be a huge flop. Has he ever even been a coordinator?
While I agree it's not the most conventional route, he certainly wouldn't be the first. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator either and he's been great for my Birds. Russ Grimm got serious consideration in Chicago last year and he's never been an OC.
It may work, but man it just seems like a huge risk for a team that seems to be unable to make a correct coaching call.
 
Just turned on the press conference. Sounds like Jauron is in as interim coach. I haven't heard them actually say that though. Terrible streaming quality.
I am watching it now. Jauron is the interim coach. The OL (Pat Morris) coach was let go also. Also, the TE coach (Andy Sugarman) was let go. Ted Tollner will coach the TEs. Greg Olson will be the new OC. Greg Olson was the QB coach. Here is his bio from the Lions website. Link

Edited to add more information.

 
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It may work, but man it just seems like a huge risk for a team that seems to be unable to make a correct coaching call.
It would be extremely risky. I only suggest it a possibility given how strong Singletary's personality is. I am not sure the Lions are going to find a silver bullet coaching candidate. The team needs a tactician, disciplinarian, talent developer, leader, winner, etc...All things considered I would forfeit in the tactical department for everything else Singletary would bring to the table. Seasoned assistants could help augment that weakness. Some guys have the personality, strength and willingness to lead a team and to others do not. Put Singletary out front and back him with a few folks happy to stay behind the cameras and pressure.
 
Millen stressed two areas:Mooch didn't develop the young talent.Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.I agree.

 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Yep. pretty simple. he was shoving square pegs into round holes, including his #######.

 
Mike Singletary
Personality wise he is what that team needs. Singletary has a strong enough character to teach, lead and mentor that club and get rid of those not willing to follow suit. He would bring a presence with him that would demand respect, effort and hardwork. He might fall a little short in the X & O department in the court of public opinion but pair him with a strong pair of assistants and have at it. I would much rather see the Lions make an aggressive hiring of this nature versus attempting to recultivate the career of a guy like Fassel, for example.
I can't help but thinking singletary would be a huge flop. Has he ever even been a coordinator?
While I agree it's not the most conventional route, he certainly wouldn't be the first. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator either and he's been great for my Birds. Russ Grimm got serious consideration in Chicago last year and he's never been an OC.
Mike Tice wasn't an OC before becoming head. :wall:
 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...

 
Any chance of seeing a Colts assistant coach coaching the Lions next season- Jim Caldwell, Clyde Christensen, or Tom Moore? Al Saunders in KC might be another decent choice if Vermeil returns or if they decide on someone else.If they're really serious about developing this young WR corps, they need a strong former OC or WR coach to take the reins.

 
Any chance of seeing a Colts assistant coach coaching the Lions next season- Jim Caldwell, Clyde Christensen, or Tom Moore? Al Saunders in KC might be another decent choice if Vermeil returns or if they decide on someone else.

If they're really serious about developing this young WR corps, they need a strong former OC or WR coach to take the reins.
Tom Moore is too old to start over, IMO. I doubt being a head coach is #1 on his priority list. I'm sure he is paid well by the Colts.
 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Millen said ' We don't have a player tree that we can pick the best players off of. Nobody has a perfect team; we need to make better use of our talent"Between the Lines:

Run Kevin 20/25 times again so we can properly evaluate him. He proved last year that given significant touches he can beat up the opposition, which will soften the defense and take some heat of the QB.

Sit Garcia down. He is a FA after this season. Let Joey use play action, since we will have a running game if we commit to it, and let’s see what he can do with these big fast downfield targets

Play Charles Rogers.

Target Roy and Charles on quick hits, jail break screens, comebacks and streaks. Get the ball in their hands as much as possible and lets see what they do..

Mooch could have done this and saved his job. He could have called plays that made sense and could have played his young picks that his GM hand picked. He didn’t...

What he did is blamed everybody but his “scheme”. He continued his conservative WC garbage and put his trust in Scottie Vines, Jeff Garcia, and Shaun Bryson. He stuck up for his “”boys” and disrespected the fans intelligence and that of his GM.

Always put your team in position to win. How do you do this? You play your best players and give them the ball. You adapt to the situation at hand. Whether it’s before the game, during the game, or after the game, you must adapt. Steve Mariucci refused to adapt, and was fired.

 
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Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire hightly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not adapting his WCO to his players.

 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire highly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not abandoning the WCO.

 
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Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire hightly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not adapting his WCO to his players.
What does that say about Mooch when he HAS to stay with the WCO? or any coach for that matter. Is that the only way he knows how to coach?
 
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Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire hightly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not adapting his WCO to his players.
What does that say about Mooch when he HAS to stay with the WCO? or any coach for that matter. Is that the only way he knows how to coach?
See my EDIT.
 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Millen said ' We don't have a player tree that we can pick the best players off of. Nobody has a perfect team; we need to make better use of our talent"Between the Lines:

Run Kevin 20/25 times again so we can properly evaluate him. He proved last year that given significant touches he can beat up the opposition, which will soften the defense and take some heat of the QB.

Sit Garcia down. He is a FA after this season. Let Joey use play action, since we will have a running game if we commit to it, and let’s see what he can do with these big fast downfield targets

Play Charles Rogers.

Target Roy and Charles on quick hits, jail break screens, comebacks and streaks. Get the ball in their hands as much as possible and lets see what they do..

Mooch could have done this and saved his job. He could have called plays that made sense and could have played his young picks that his GM hand picked. He didn’t...

What he did is blamed everybody but his “scheme”. He continued his conservative WC garbage and put his trust in Scottie Vines, Jeff Garcia, and Shaun Bryson. He stuck up for his “”boys” and disrespected the fans intelligence and that of his GM.

Always put your team in position to win. How do you do this? You play your best players and give them the ball. You adapt to the situation at hand. Whether it’s before the game, during the game, or after the game, you must adapt. Steve Mariucci refused to adapt, and was fired.
:goodposting: I don't care what anyone says. The Lions do have some talent on offense and Mooch did not gameplan to their strengths. If you have 3 big WR targets, then by all means throw down the field and see what they can do.

Even the casual fan can tell that Roy Williams and Kevin Jones have some talent. You don't need to be a pro scout to see that. And I also still believe that Rogers has some huge potential. But if you never throw him the ball, he's always going to be a bust. Same thing with only giving KJ 5 carries a game.

There is a lot of blame to go around, but Mooch deserved his fair share for running that antiquated, ultra-conservative version of the WCO. It was time for something different and he couldn't change.

 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire hightly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not adapting his WCO to his players.
What does that say about Mooch when he HAS to stay with the WCO? or any coach for that matter. Is that the only way he knows how to coach?
See my EDIT.
Yep
 
Millen stressed two areas:

Mooch didn't develop the young talent.

Mooch didn’t adapt to the players at his disposal.

I agree.
Ok that I agree with.But why wouldnt you get players that would fit Mariucci's scheme?

The coin is two sided...
Right.Step 1. Hire highly regarded WCO coach.

Step 2. Draft talent at the skill positions.

Step 3. Ask players to learn the WCO.

Step 4. Force players to play in the WCO.

Step 5. Fire WCO coach for not abandoning the WCO.
Step 6. Continue on with your job despite a 20 and 55 record.
 
:goodposting:

I don't care what anyone says. The Lions do have some talent on offense and Mooch did not gameplan to their strengths. If you have 3 big WR targets, then by all means throw down the field and see what they can do.

Even the casual fan can tell that Roy Williams and Kevin Jones have some talent. You don't need to be a pro scout to see that. And I also still believe that Rogers has some huge potential. But if you never throw him the ball, he's always going to be a bust. Same thing with only giving KJ 5 carries a game.

There is a lot of blame to go around, but Mooch deserved his fair share for running that antiquated, ultra-conservative version of the WCO. It was time for something different and he couldn't change.
And give Millen credit where credit is due. He took a bad franchise and has made it the worst in the NFL since he arrived. By his own admission he is 0-2 when it comes to hiring coaches! Maybe the third time is a charm!
 
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What about Gary Kubiak. The Broncos are top 5 offensively under his regime for at least the last 6 years.
I think the Lions will be the least attractive job out there. So list the top 10 candidates and cross off 7. That should give you the list the Lions will look at.My money is on Jauron long term. Or maybe they hire Ditka

 

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