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All of my stock holding platforms allow me to name beneficiaries. Are you saying the platforms don’t honor them or that it’s difficult for the beneficiaries to liquidate?
Yep, I have all my accounts setup with beneficiaries, if not co-owned with the wife. The profitable ones will have their basis reset, so should be a boon for those who inherit.

And, let's face it, once I'm dead I won't care too much.
 
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Twist on the concentration question. At what level do people feel: "That's just way too much"

Wife was gifted McDonalds stock back in the 90s, always reinvested dividends, obviously done well. It's a very large portion of what I'm now overseeing. I've been slowly working the % down, but not sure when to say 'that's good enough'.
I trimmed $AXON yesterday for the first time in forever. It's still 12.71% of my individual stock positions, which is high, but I feel ok with it now. I was anxious about it until I basically took out my cost basis and now I'm just going to let it be.

My other highest positions are between 5-6%.
I think the bold is the key. The point you start to get uncomfortable with it (and the fact that you're now asking might be an indicator), you consider taking action.

I'm close to 10% in a former employer, and that's pretty much my limit. Though if they folded, all of us would have bigger concerns.

Have been over a few times with a few holdings. 20% made me uncomfortable.

Yea, for me PLTR has grown to be 25% of my IRA. I'm waaaaay in the money there, and it's been wonderful. But yesterday's 9% drop reminded me how precarious an individual stock can be. Plus it's now super expensive in terms of P/E, so it's time to trim some and index that $. I suspect Monday may have a bit of a bounce back - be a good afternoon to trim.
Trimming may be good. Some also use a strategy of selling covered calls if you’re OK with parting with 100 shares and generating some extra premium through selling the call.
 
Based on Nielsen data, Celsius Holdings has shown recent performance in the energy drink market:
  • Market Share: Celsius's market share position in the U.S. energy drink market (MULOC + Convenience) reached its highest ever at 15.9% in the four-week period ending June 14, 2025. This increase is attributed, in part, to the addition of the Alani Nu brand to Celsius's portfolio.
 
Based on Nielsen data, Celsius Holdings has shown recent performance in the energy drink market:
  • Market Share: Celsius's market share position in the U.S. energy drink market (MULOC + Convenience) reached its highest ever at 15.9% in the four-week period ending June 14, 2025. This increase is attributed, in part, to the addition of the Alani Nu brand to Celsius's portfolio.

So basically they bought another company, and then in the first report where that company's sales are included as their own, set a record for their highest sales?

Kind of a "no duh" moment, right?
 
Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
 
Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
Just tell them to put everything in the S&P500 and QQQ and they will be just fine and beat 90% of the big boys.

The most important thing is to start early. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/040315/why-save-retirement-your-20s.asp
 
Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
Do everything possible to max Roth IRA and Roth 401k if available. And put it all in an index fund (S&P or total stock market). That's it. Honestly.
 

All of my stock holding platforms allow me to name beneficiaries. Are you saying the platforms don’t honor them or that it’s difficult for the beneficiaries to liquidate?
Yep, I have all my accounts setup with beneficiaries, if not co-owned with the wife. The profitable ones will have their basis reset, so should be a boon for those who inherit.

And, let's face it, once I'm dead I won't care too much.
My wife and I set up a trust that all of our assets will go to when we die and named our kids as the beneficiaries of that trust. According to our lawyers, that will reduce the amount of paperwork associated with transferring everything substantially.

Note: I am not a lawyer
 
Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
As other said, invest ASAP in index funds.

However, have them read like one book on investing for dummies or something to that effect so they get an understanding of what things are. That will make them more likely to do it and do it correctly.
 
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Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
Just tell them to put everything in the S&P500 and QQQ and they will be just fine and beat 90% of the big boys.

The most important thing is to start early. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/040315/why-save-retirement-your-20s.asp
If you (they) want to dig a little deeper than an S&P index fund have them read All About Asset Allocation by Richard Ferri. And then know his suggested percentages are very conservative, imo.
 
Sorry to interject here, but is there any good resources I could send to my early 20’s kids to help them learn this stuff? I’ve been content in my career to just let Schwab handle my stuff (aggressive in my youth, less so in my 50’s) and I’ve done…OK. My kids aren’t in careers with huge earning potentials and I’d like them to be able to make the little nest egg they do have to work for them as much as possible.

There is a reason I was an engineer and not a business guy. 🤣
I have the book the simple path to wealth by j. L. Collins I keep at work and pass out to the young people.
 
Sofi has been on an heater. Sold all the tariff tantrum shares for a 75% to 95% gain. Still bullish on Sofi but my allocation was touching 5% which is way too high for a company like this.

Almost back to the 2021 highs that I never thought we'd get back to.

Now just waiting on SHOP, SE, QS, BLDP, INMD, etc.
 
PLUG got a nice Monday pop because folks are thinking hydrogen energy will be more in favor as a desirable alternate source during the current administration while solar and wind are set to fall out of favor (tax credits soon to be sunsetted).
 
PLUG got a nice Monday pop because folks are thinking hydrogen energy will be more in favor as a desirable alternate source during the current administration while solar and wind are set to fall out of favor (tax credits soon to be sunsetted).

Too bad NKLA couldn't hold on a little longer. Trevor Milton is out of jail now and everything.
 
So so far this year am up 9.2%, or 11% total with contributions. S&P at 5.5% for the first half, so trouncing that. Let's hope this continues in the second half!
 
So so far this year am up 9.2%, or 11% total with contributions. S&P at 5.5% for the first half, so trouncing that. Let's hope this continues in the second half!
39% here this year, 75% YTD. Sitting at 12.5% cash at the moment. I really need to spend some time get some stops in place on my technical holdings.
 
The USD is down over 10% vs. other currencies YTD. One would think that would add to inflation pressure, and make stonk prices look better than they actually are.
 
A couple of positions with strong moves yesterday:

1. Joby Aviation 12%

Joby Aviation stock soared about 12% as the flying air taxi maker got closer to launching a service in the United Arab Emirates.

The electric vertical takeoff and landing, or eVTOL, company said Monday that it delivered its first aircraft to the UAE and has completed piloted flight tests as it readies for a 2026 launch in the region.

“Our flights and operational footprint in Dubai are a monumental step toward weaving air taxi services into the fabric of daily life worldwide,” said founder and CEO JoeBen Bevirt in a release. He called the UAE a “launchpad for a global revolution in how we move.”

Joby’s planned launch in the UAE was announced in February 2024 as part of an agreement with Dubai’s Road and Transport Authority. The deal included exclusive rights to conduct air taxi service in Dubai for six years.

I hold a very small position of 25 shares. The company is losing money and I suspect dilution is in the slated for the future. It's always difficult to determine if you're investing in the next Palantir or the next Quantumscape.

2. Fubo 10%

Another tiny position for me with 150 shares. No news yesterday but evidently someone made a 500k share purchase. Does someone have inside information? There's a pending deal with Disney that could result in a pop. My basis is below $3, plan was to exit at either $2 or $6. Technically it's an add right now as it's broken through the moving averages or bigger volume. I done very well with some recent trading strategies, based on technical analysis, but a strong part of me is saying let's be real, everyone is making money in the current market.
 
The following isn't political, I just find it funny.

Shares of Tesla were under pressure on Tuesday after President Donald Trump said in a late night social media post that the federal government should look into cutting subsidies for Elon Musk’s companies.

“Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this? BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!,” the Truth Social post said.

Curious to hear from any Tesla holders here what their long term outlook and price target is. I've trade this company a couple of times in the past but with the current PE at 174 and future PE 160 and declining sales I'm not convinced. I saw that Cathie Wood loaded up a few months back, sold some in early June, and then added back at the end of the month.
 
The following isn't political, I just find it funny.

Shares of Tesla were under pressure on Tuesday after President Donald Trump said in a late night social media post that the federal government should look into cutting subsidies for Elon Musk’s companies.

“Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this? BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!,” the Truth Social post said.

Curious to hear from any Tesla holders here what their long term outlook and price target is. I've trade this company a couple of times in the past but with the current PE at 174 and future PE 160 and declining sales I'm not convinced. I saw that Cathie Wood loaded up a few months back, sold some in early June, and then added back at the end of the month.
TSLA has the ability to stay irrational longer than you can say solvent (assuming you short it).
 
The following isn't political, I just find it funny.

Shares of Tesla were under pressure on Tuesday after President Donald Trump said in a late night social media post that the federal government should look into cutting subsidies for Elon Musk’s companies.

“Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this? BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!,” the Truth Social post said.

Curious to hear from any Tesla holders here what their long term outlook and price target is. I've trade this company a couple of times in the past but with the current PE at 174 and future PE 160 and declining sales I'm not convinced. I saw that Cathie Wood loaded up a few months back, sold some in early June, and then added back at the end of the month.
TSLA has the ability to stay irrational longer than you can say solvent (assuming you short it).
Its entire existence to this point.

I say this as a Tesla owner who has never been and likely will never be a TSLA owner.
 
The USD is down over 10% vs. other currencies YTD. One would think that would add to inflation pressure, and make stonk prices look better than they actually are.
At the same time it supercharges exports and nations generally want a weak currency because of that. Conventional wisdom is that this increases GDP overall.
 
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The following isn't political, I just find it funny.

Shares of Tesla were under pressure on Tuesday after President Donald Trump said in a late night social media post that the federal government should look into cutting subsidies for Elon Musk’s companies.

“Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this? BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!,” the Truth Social post said.

Curious to hear from any Tesla holders here what their long term outlook and price target is. I've trade this company a couple of times in the past but with the current PE at 174 and future PE 160 and declining sales I'm not convinced. I saw that Cathie Wood loaded up a few months back, sold some in early June, and then added back at the end of the month.
TSLA has the ability to stay irrational longer than you can say solvent (assuming you short it).
If there was a poster child for irrational TSLA is it. Both on the upside and the downside.
 
Private sector hiring unexpectedly contracted in June, payrolls processing firm ADP said Wednesday, in a possible sign that the economy may not be as sturdy that investors believed as they bid the S&P 500 back up to record territory to end the month.

Private payrolls lost 33,000 jobs in the June, the ADP report showed. Economists polled by Dow Jones forecast an increase of 100,000 for the month. The May job growth figure was revised even lower to just 29,000 jobs added from 37,000.
 
The USD is down over 10% vs. other currencies YTD. One would think that would add to inflation pressure, and make stonk prices look better than they actually are.
At the same time it supercharges exports and nations generally want a weak currency because of that. Conventional wisdom is that this increases GDP overall.
There is no question large companies like that weakening dollar. I hesitantly agree that "conventionally" GDP would go up. Problem is, we aren't in conventional times. There's going to be a big question on GDP impact around small/medium sized companies vs the big companies. If the negatives on those small/medium companies are greater than the benefits to large companies, GDP isn't likely to move all that much. This tariff business continues to weigh on markets in the form of uncertainty.
 
I bought a little slice of GOOGL this morning. Apologies to current holders. When it goes down some more, I will buy some more.
 
Started a small quantum position this morning:

Honeywell
D-Wave
Rigetti
Quantum Computing
Ionq

Starter positions at around $300 each. All of these looked good from a technical standpoint. If they stay ahead of their 50 and 150 moving averages I'll drip in on the way up.

Resumed my share of Palantir a day strategy and will continue that until it approaches $145 AND stays above the 50 day moving average.
 
Target holders, should I sell my tariff tantrum shares for 13-15% gain? If not, what's your price target?
I'm holding mine through the CEO change in August. I think Cornell has been a disaster, but rumor is the next CEO will be boring Internal milquetoast, so not a lot to be excited about...
 
I bought a little slice of GOOGL this morning. Apologies to current holders. When it goes down some more, I will buy some more.
Care to tell us why? It at least helps a little to see reasoning here beyond just buying or selling something. Thanks.
Absolutely. Part of it is catch-up; Alphabet has underperformed most of the Mag 7.

It also has a lot of shots on goal. So many, in fact, that Kara Swisher is convinced that DOJ will make them sell something. She knows stuff. No one should buy based on breakup speculation, but this thing continues to print money until the ultimate value gets unlocked, whether it's spinning off YouTube or Waymo or both. I would not mind being thrown in that briar patch.
 
So I bought 40 shares of BMNR yesterday @ 51.62. It had already run up from the $10s after they named Tom Lee Chairman. Today it's up 121% and currently at $129.86.
It's crazy watching it run up.
Obviously with only 40 shares it's not big money for me but fun to watch.
 
I'm taking advantage of the last few green days to pull back the cash I had put back to work in my 401K. So now back to 100% cash from 80%. I'll take the 4% and wait for the effects of the whipsaw changes to show up in the economic data - I think a better entry point is ahead, IMO. Good luck to all. :thumbup:
Pretty ballsy move swinging for the fences like this. The only guys who call the bottom right are the guys who put out a new youtube video every day.
Doesn't feel much like swinging for the fences over here, and I appreciate the perspective & the experience that informs that perspective.

No plans for a daily youtube as of now - and if I do start one y'all will be the first to know! :grad:
How will you know the bottom? Are you looking for some specific trading activity? Some of the bears I've been watching are saying that some of the metrics for a bottom have been checked off while others haven't.

The daily youtube wasn't directed at you directly. Been following some folks who generate enough content that they'll be right half the time. They'll be on record about a correct bottom. How do you call a bottom if you only have one shot?

Personally I hedged by setting up a Roth to convert shares if we have a second dip and will have a plan in place to move x amount based on y drop.
I won't know the bottom, and I don't plan on trying to find it - but my plan is to come back in based on valuation of S&P from where I took it out originally (6066). VERY unscientific!

First entry point will be 20% back in @ a 15% drop (rather than the 10% drop I had previously planned - which is essentially where we are now). Tentative plan is another 20% back in for each 5% drop from there. If we go down 35% (3945) I would be all back in at that point.

For me, the bottom line is it felt a LOT worse watching my balance go down from that 20% I had put back in than it did missing the opportunity to put more $$ in when it was lower.

So, I actually have only a concept of a plan, and that will evolve I'm sure as we all move through these next months/ years as this plays out.

Definitely open to suggestions, and could end up costing myself here for sure - but I think we're going down before we go up.
Thanks for sharing. I hope we do get one more drop so everyone can can back in at the levels they want.
Well, I did not execute my plan to get back into the market during the Tariff Tantrum. Went 100% cash back in Feb before the drop (6066 S&P), and today held my nose & went back 100% into S&P index. So, for anyone waiting for "capitulation" from someone who is very bearish on the macro effects of the changes of US policy as a sign, this is it.

I learned I am more risk averse than I thought I was, and in the end I am OK with that.

When I went all cash, I told myself I'd be OK with leaving a few percentage points of gains on the table for peace of mind - and at the end of the day that is what I ended up doing.

Current results - up 4.6% for the year. If I would have timed it perfectly that would be closer to 20%. If I had done nothing it would have been around 7%.

Carry on, and Happy Independence Day to All!
 
I bought a little slice of GOOGL this morning. Apologies to current holders. When it goes down some more, I will buy some more.
Care to tell us why? It at least helps a little to see reasoning here beyond just buying or selling something. Thanks.
Absolutely. Part of it is catch-up; Alphabet has underperformed most of the Mag 7.

It also has a lot of shots on goal. So many, in fact, that Kara Swisher is convinced that DOJ will make them sell something. She knows stuff. No one should buy based on breakup speculation, but this thing continues to print money until the ultimate value gets unlocked, whether it's spinning off YouTube or Waymo or both. I would not mind being thrown in that briar patch.

Good enough for me! Adding now.
 
I am out on UAMY. Was a little afraid it was going to erase all the gains completely. Just didn't like the way it was acting. Still think there's a bull case here but I think I'll put my money to work elsewhere for now.
 
So I bought 40 shares of BMNR yesterday @ 51.62. It had already run up from the $10s after they named Tom Lee Chairman. Today it's up 121% and currently at $129.86.
It's crazy watching it run up.
Obviously with only 40 shares it's not big money for me but fun to watch.
Very nice. Personally I'd sell half and free roll. Nothing wrong with small positions. One of the lessons I have learned the hard way is if it's not namerd Amazon, keep the speculative stuff under 3%.
 
So I bought 40 shares of BMNR yesterday @ 51.62. It had already run up from the $10s after they named Tom Lee Chairman. Today it's up 121% and currently at $129.86.
It's crazy watching it run up.
Obviously with only 40 shares it's not big money for me but fun to watch.
Very nice. Personally I'd sell half and free roll. Nothing wrong with small positions. One of the lessons I have learned the hard way is if it's not namerd Amazon, keep the speculative stuff under 3%.
"If it's the next great growth company, a little is all you need. If it's not, a little is all you want"
 
I'm heavily in big tech, always have been, save for one now and then, like Donkey Kong, which I've been biding my time to switch out of, btw. And into Fanduel. I believe FLUT has won this race. It's Coke and Pepsi, and I liked DKNG's more dedicated mobile sports gaming/app/states appeal, but it just seems like Fanduel will end up best in show to me. I'll keep DKNG, just gonna flip like half into FLUT. The states that didn't adopt are so dumb (and I underestimated the Indian Casino lobbies). Cali, Fla, Tex are all losing tons of money to their neighbors.

Anyway, I'm here for a reveal. Had a baby, finally. And it's called BROS. Triggered at 65 today. Dipped my foot in the pool and will go deeper if the bears start eating.

So finally, I'm a proud Papa with many of the rest of you. I haven't been this excited (except I hate the timing of the overall market) since SBUX in the 90s. This mutha is gonna go. They are the Disney of energy/coffee/cool drinks for kids and laugh all you want, there is a ton of money that flocks to this kind of ****.

It will be an actual trade, for me anyway. 2 to 3 years, tops. Unless the Boba hits the fan.

So yeah, LFG BROS!
 
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I'm heavily in big tech, always have been, save for one now and then, like Donkey Kong, which I've been biding my time to switch out of, btw. And into Fanduel. I believe FLUT has won this race. It's Coke and Pepsi, and I liked DKNG's more dedicated mobile sports gaming/app/states appeal, but it just seems like Fanduel will end up best in show to me. I'll keep DKNG, just gonna flip like half into FLUT. The states that didn't adopt are so dumb (and I underestimated the Indian Casion lobbies). Cali, Fla, Tex are all losing tons of money to their neighbors.

Anyway, I'm here for a reveal. Had a baby, finally. And it's called BROS. Triggered at 65 today. Dipped my foot in the pool and will go deeper if the bears start eating.

So finally, I'm a proud Papa with many of the rest of you. I haven't been this excited (except I hate the timing of the overall market) since SBUX in the 90s. This thing is gonna go. They are the Disney of energy/coffee/cool drinks for kids and laugh all you want, there is a ton of money that flocks to this kind of ****.

It will be an actual trade, for me anyway. 2 to 3 years, tops. Unless the Boba hits the fan.

So yeah, LFG BROS!

My wife just took the kids to BROS and said it was slammed with cars. It's 5pm here in Oregon and BROS was 10 deep with cars. She said it was very efficient and pleasant and I'm buying more stock tomorrow. :lmao:
 
I'm heavily in big tech, always have been, save for one now and then, like Donkey Kong, which I've been biding my time to switch out of, btw. And into Fanduel. I believe FLUT has won this race. It's Coke and Pepsi, and I liked DKNG's more dedicated mobile sports gaming/app/states appeal, but it just seems like Fanduel will end up best in show to me. I'll keep DKNG, just gonna flip like half into FLUT. The states that didn't adopt are so dumb (and I underestimated the Indian Casino lobbies). Cali, Fla, Tex are all losing tons of money to their neighbors.
I got out of DKNG in maybe April. I don't think any of these operators are doing well (agree that FD seems best in breed) and think this 90% cap on losses that slid through could really hurt them.
 
I'm heavily in big tech, always have been, save for one now and then, like Donkey Kong, which I've been biding my time to switch out of, btw. And into Fanduel. I believe FLUT has won this race. It's Coke and Pepsi, and I liked DKNG's more dedicated mobile sports gaming/app/states appeal, but it just seems like Fanduel will end up best in show to me. I'll keep DKNG, just gonna flip like half into FLUT. The states that didn't adopt are so dumb (and I underestimated the Indian Casino lobbies). Cali, Fla, Tex are all losing tons of money to their neighbors.
I got out of DKNG in maybe April. I don't think any of these operators are doing well (agree that FD seems best in breed) and think this 90% cap on losses that slid through could really hurt them.
Thanks for the reply. The last part of your post is priced in these stocks already. So for me, I'm more than fine with that stuff. Good even. Just like the chances of Cali voting it in, they know full well it might be 3 years. DKNG was actually ahead of the game last time around, pulling their marketing efforts early on, once they knew it had no chance of passing.

What's funny is I'm in Cali right now and I just watched some local newscast with a DKNG exec talking about how both parties (Tribes and sports betting Execs) are now talking, finally. Why? Because New York is hauling in 3 BILLION a year, since they jumped aboard. And that's with a ridiculous amount of "take". But is it stopping idiots? No, never, they'll take another beer, not numbers. Like lotteries.

On the flip side, it probably doesn't pass in Cali until 28. But it could in 26. IMO, the fact that the crying Indians are now sitting down at the same table with the gangsters means it's not if, but when. The stocks will go haywire before the inevitable and we are here to predict as much, are we not?

I mean, we're talking the 4th biggest economy in the world. There are crooks on both sides knowing if they just come together on this thing, which is a foregone conclusion at some point, (Hi NFL), then they can shave off some of their deficits and curtail the waterfall of money pouring into Az, Nevada and others. Come on, hiding an IP addy can be done by an 8th grader. The grey hairs will wake up. And the rest of the states will come out of their coma, too. Then these biggies can start in with better margins. A train needs a track first, and it's coming.

I mean, we don't even need Florida and Texas to jump aboard but if somehow even one of those followed NY and the chance of Cali? Good night.

Patience. This is Budweiser/Marlboro type ****, like it or not.
 
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