What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Stock Thread (37 Viewers)

In honor of my fairly large BLMN purchase today (large for ME anyway), with several purchases ending with a cost basis of 9.12, I went and bought some steaks, sauteed 4 onions, mashed some taters, and went to town with the family.  Wife asked "what's the occasion"?   I replied "stonks go up".  There was no further conversation as the meal continued.  

 
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.

Its becoming somewhat predictable that whenever NP speaks the stock goes down and I'd like to see if that is a tactic that could be used.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks

 
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.

Its becoming somewhat predictable that whenever NP speaks the stock goes down and I'd like to see if that is a tactic that could be used.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks
I have TD Ameritrade and they charge 7.00 or 6.95 or whatever for OTC trades. My guess is most similar brokerages will be the same or less.

 
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.

Its becoming somewhat predictable that whenever NP speaks the stock goes down and I'd like to see if that is a tactic that could be used.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks
Fidelity charges me a penny when I sell

 
I agree.  They need to stop doing these things  Completely ineffective when you don't have anything material to announce. 

Between Nader and Jack Marks (the host), it was amateur hour.
NP and the host are unpolished. You can do something about the host. As a recent investor I lack history with the company but on the surface it appears NP has been instrumental to bringing the company to where it is now. So I guess we take the bad with the good.

I thought the webinar was informative regarding company thoughts and efforts. No huge booming news but the company seems to be advancing overall. Also going over the same information could be helpful to new potential investors tuning in.

 
Fidelity charges me a penny when I sell


Fidelity charges me a penny when I sell
Thanks to you and McBokonon.

Is there a charge to purchase? Excuse the questions. I've been a guy who has had almost all my money in equity index funds since I was younger. I did open a Roth for a short time when I didn't have a 401K. Just owned one stock Stryker but sold in anticipation of the virus led downturn. Used that money to purchase CYDY after reading about it here.

I did invest in individual tocks when I was younger and got my ### handed to me in a hat.

 
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.
Schwab charges me when I sell CYDY but its pretty minimal.  Sold around 7K shares a bit ago and they charged me .46.  I haven't bothered to look up their exact formula because it doesn't really matter at that rate

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks to you and McBokonon.

Is there a charge to purchase? Excuse the questions. I've been a guy who has had almost all my money in equity index funds since I was younger. I did open a Roth for a short time when I didn't have a 401K. Just owned one stock Stryker but sold in anticipation of the virus led downturn. Used that money to purchase CYDY after reading about it here.

I did invest in individual tocks when I was younger and got my ### handed to me in a hat.
I use fidelity and have a Roth IRA in my account that I have used for CYDY. They haven't charged me on my CYDY purchases. I haven't sold any so I don't know if there is a transaction fee there.

 
Thanks to you and McBokonon.

Is there a charge to purchase? Excuse the questions. I've been a guy who has had almost all my money in equity index funds since I was younger. I did open a Roth for a short time when I didn't have a 401K. Just owned one stock Stryker but sold in anticipation of the virus led downturn. Used that money to purchase CYDY after reading about it here.

I did invest in individual tocks when I was younger and got my ### handed to me in a hat.
Doesn’t look like it. 

I remember the Dodds  trading years a having to take fees into consideration.  It’s nice having the option of locking in a 10% profit and not worrying about buying and selling a commissions eating all that up.  Some of my positions are so small that even $9.95 on both sides would eat away a profit. I have no problem pocketing $20 and moving on to something I like better.  Generally I buy something and then wait a day to start trading. I might selling a quarter to a half and then look to buy back lower. By keeping some shares, I can then “day trade” without technically day trading because I’m flipping old shares

 
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.

Its becoming somewhat predictable that whenever NP speaks the stock goes down and I'd like to see if that is a tactic that could be used.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks
I use Fidelity and I didn’t pay anything.

 
Doesn’t look like it. 

I remember the Dodds  trading years a having to take fees into consideration.  It’s nice having the option of locking in a 10% profit and not worrying about buying and selling a commissions eating all that up.  Some of my positions are so small that even $9.95 on both sides would eat away a profit. I have no problem pocketing $20 and moving on to something I like better.  Generally I buy something and then wait a day to start trading. I might selling a quarter to a half and then look to buy back lower. By keeping some shares, I can then “day trade” without technically day trading because I’m flipping old shares
Same here. No fees is so easy to make $ on small bets. Back in the old days, you would buy and the stock would go up where you were like $10 up and if you sold, you lost $ because your fees were $8 to buy and $8 to sell. Then because you were waiting for it to go high enough for a win, it would sell off. Now you buy a momentum stock, instantly are up and put your stop loss order in to protect your win. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
sporthenry said:
I don't really understand what negative rates get you that printing tons of money doesn't? I mean I think someone thinks they'll actually pay you to borrow money but that is besides the point. I mean, printing tons of money and 0% rates probably still aren't good for banks but can't see them actually going negative. 
The deflationary spiral causes real interest rates to surge which throws the entire system into chaos. The only way to combat the impact of the deflation is to keep lowering the rate, zero be damned.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Moonlight said:
Requesting help regarding reducing my costs on CYDY trades. I have a Roth self trading account through PNC but they charge a real hefty commission because CYDY is on the pink sheets. I see that some of the guys here have day traded the stock and was wondering where you had your account as I assume you are avoiding some of these fees that are hurting me.

Its becoming somewhat predictable that whenever NP speaks the stock goes down and I'd like to see if that is a tactic that could be used.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks
It was free in my ROTH IRA at Vanguard.

 
Sorry if this is cluttering the board ... but some seemed interested...

Selling NERV Puts / Lowering Risk / Covering Short Sale

Typically I sell Puts and let them expire to maximize profit ...

but don't feel like just because you sold 20 $5 NERV puts that you are LOCKED IN until expiration 5 weeks from now.

You always have the option of covering your short sale anytime before expiration.

As the value of the Put goes up or down, you could either cover for a gain or cover at a loss depending on how the Put as changed.

Typically as the stock price goes UP ... the Put value that you shorted goes down. 

and the closer you get to strike date ... the put price goes down

Both of the above allow you to cover and still make a profit (typically). Albeit a much smaller profit than waiting for expiration.

If the stock price should fall, that's when the Put may increase in value ... and since you are short, will cost you $$$ to cover before expiration.

Why cover your short sale?

You might do this to free up that margin $$ and go after a stock that caught your eye and you "just have to have it" (CYDY??) :P .

You might do this to limit losses in the event the stock hit strike and you feel it will continue to fall. Take your lumps early.

As another poster said, this isn't a "set it and forget it" play. You want to keep an eye on the stock price and make sure there's no trouble looming.

But pretty easy exit is available if need be.

 
Any input on TLT bond ETF?  Moved some money out of 401K mutual funds, looking for a good place to park for the mid term.  Already have as much gold/silver as I want (CEF).

 
Think a collapse could be in the cards. Enough people have been lulled to sleep since late March.
While I haven’t sold off my stocks, I do have a large chest o’cash waiting to be deployed. I’ve get plenty of time to wait for a rebound but I’m still a little miffed at not investing more at the middle of March when I was worried about it getting worse. Not sure we’ll see those levels but I’m not averse to some more bargain hunting.

 
Lesson #25

Trading options vs Buying stonks;

Here's what I have come to love about selling options vs. buying stocks

Trading options - I make money when the stock value does NOTHING

Digest that. I sell the option, collect the premium, and if the stock price stays about the same, I win.

Lets use for example the latest episode of Bossman vs Wall Street, ... Selling $10 NERV puts, 6/19 strike date, paying me $4.20 ea ....

if NERV price does not change in 5 weeks, I am guaranteed 42%

Only thing that I need the stock to do is stay at or around the same price (above $10 in this case)

What stock are you going buy and hold for 5 weeks that will gain 42% for you? TVIX? LOL

For those that opt for the safer play of selling a $5 NERV Put for $1.30, you've guaranteed yourself 26% if  the stock doesn't tank.

Like epic, fall off a cliff, below any price it's ever traded for tank ... in the next 5 weeks.

What stock are you going to buy that will guarantee you 26% in 5 weeks? CYDY? BLMN? MGM? GOLD?  

Some justified doubts that any one of these stocks will pay you 26% at the end of 5 weeks ... and good luck picking the correct one. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sorry if this is cluttering the board ... but some seemed interested...

Selling NERV Puts / Lowering Risk / Covering Short Sale

Typically I sell Puts and let them expire to maximize profit ...

but don't feel like just because you sold 20 $5 NERV puts that you are LOCKED IN until expiration 5 weeks from now.

You always have the option of covering your short sale anytime before expiration.

As the value of the Put goes up or down, you could either cover for a gain or cover at a loss depending on how the Put as changed.

Typically as the stock price goes UP ... the Put value that you shorted goes down. 

and the closer you get to strike date ... the put price goes down

Both of the above allow you to cover and still make a profit (typically). Albeit a much smaller profit than waiting for expiration.

If the stock price should fall, that's when the Put may increase in value ... and since you are short, will cost you $$$ to cover before expiration.

Why cover your short sale?

You might do this to free up that margin $$ and go after a stock that caught your eye and you "just have to have it" (CYDY??) :P .

You might do this to limit losses in the event the stock hit strike and you feel it will continue to fall. Take your lumps early.

As another poster said, this isn't a "set it and forget it" play. You want to keep an eye on the stock price and make sure there's no trouble looming.

But pretty easy exit is available if need be.
tl/dr = Stonks Go Up. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
Todem, question.

If BLMN were to drop a bit more, say 5-10% today or tomorrow, would you buy more, hold, or sell any?

Just wondering a bit about your general philosophy, and maybe even specifically about BLMN and your thoughts there.
Sorry to quote myself, but.......just wondering the play for this one.  Thanks

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sorry to quote myself, but.......just wondering the play for this one.  Thanks
Not @Todem but from what I understand of his approach.... he's stated many times he's not a day trader. He seems BLMN as a value at this price so he bought. It could go up to the desired exit point this week... next month... next year. 
 

For me, I have limits on my comfortable exposure level is to specific stocks. Right now I'm at around 2% in BLMN. I'm good with that. It would have to drop considerably for me to buy more. That's me. 

 
beef said:
I'm hoping the added stress from TVIX helps me lose the rest of my hair so I don't have to shave parts of my head anymore.  I don't know, been playing it a while, along with the bear & bull leveraged ones, stubborn of change?  I hear you though and have been paying a lot more attention to these options posts here.    
lol ... this was me a while back. 

Staring at the TVIX ticker and celebrating every peak and stressing every dip. When to get out ... when to get back in.

Held overnight? ... Then I'm waking up and first thing I did was reach for the phone to see where TVIX is in pre-market. So nerve racking.

I've fount a much more relaxing, safer bet selling options. Life is much better now.

Good luck to you. Namasta.

 
Slapdash said:
Anyone want to talk me out of adding more bank stonks here?  I definately have some bias given what I do, but this selloff is crazy.  Banks have more than enough capital and liquidity 
Not telling you anything you don't already know, but I don't think it's about liquidity, it's more that it's very difficult to make money in this environment, and this environment doesn't seem likely to change to a more conducive one for them anytime soon.

 
@Slapdash If you are looking at a bank stock (I own JPM only) you have to look at it as a pure dividend play for a few years. They will be squeezed to make margins with interest rates near and at zero. So you have to be very patient. But I can be, with a stock like JPM; which is managed supremely well in the mega bank sector. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
lol ... this was me a while back. 

Staring at the TVIX ticker and celebrating every peak and stressing every dip. When to get out ... when to get back in.

Held overnight? ... Then I'm waking up and first thing I did was reach for the phone to see where TVIX is in pre-market. So nerve racking.

I've fount a much more relaxing, safer bet selling options. Life is much better now.

Good luck to you. Namasta.
Spot on, that is absolutely me.  I'm out.  Close my entire TVIX position at 225.  Do not care one bit if I sold a day too early or a week too early.  I need a day to relax, a good night sleep and be ready to get some outside projects done this weekend.

The account I want to use for options wasn't setup for it so I had to apply for it.          

 
@Slapdash If you are looking at a bank stock (I own JPM only) you have to look at it as a pure dividend play for a few years. They will be squeezed to make margins with interest rates near and at zero. So you have to be very patient. But I can be, with a stock like JPM; which is managed supremely well in the mega bank sector. 
You buying yet or waiting with the cash position you raised? 

 
Slapdash said:
Anyone want to talk me out of adding more bank stonks here?  I definately have some bias given what I do, but this selloff is crazy.  Banks have more than enough capital and liquidity 
Not telling you anything you don't already know, but I don't think it's about liquidity, it's more that it's very difficult to make money in this environment, and this environment doesn't seem likely to change to a more conducive one for them anytime soon.
A lot of people were saying similar things in 2008.  BAC was a 4x for me.  WFC did the same.  Now it took a decade to do that, but I have no doubts we're looking at 2x in the next 10 years and likely 3x from these levels with zero risk of them failing.

 
Verrrrrrrrrry close to just ignoring my stay long advice and just punting delta. 
The only thing I’ve ignored in this whole time is distressed stocks that I wouldn’t normally buy. I’m sure if you have time to watch the market all day you can have a nice run but I don’t really feel good about airlines or travel related stocks. Heck even restaurants are a bit dicey. I’ve learned to make quite a bit more food at home. Pre-CV, with sports and school, it seemed like we went out way more and damn if I’m not enjoying making more food at home and saving a ton of cash. I made filets from Costco for Mother’s Day with twice baked potatoes (also Costco) and it was probably the best steaks I’ve cooked at home. Not saying I was bad before but these were excellent. A normal Mother’s Day with 3 teenage boys and filets would cost me $250 or so instead of maybe $40. My wife, who couldn’t save a penny if we put it in a safe she didn’t know the combo to, has saved enough in two months to pay for our beach week this summer which ain’t cheap (4 families in a gorgeous beach front house in Hilton Head). Luckily, I max out her 401k and also pilfer about 25% of her take home since I pay all the real bills. She does very well, but I pretty much assume what she gets in her account is gone and this is about 50% of her two months of pay that she saved.

Long story short is that I don’t believe in the airlines so if I were you, I wouldn’t hesitate to take any profits and find a much better stock to invest in at the coming discounts.

 
Not telling you anything you don't already know, but I don't think it's about liquidity, it's more that it's very difficult to make money in this environment, and this environment doesn't seem likely to change to a more conducive one for them anytime soon.
Only bank stock I own is FAZ

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top