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[humpback]

You’ve been completely missing for a long time (read, market went up a lot) and now all of a sudden you’re back trying to act like you knew this was happening. Either actually contribute to the discussion or stay in the shadows. We all know the risks and what could happen up or down. None of us know the future, not even you but you’ve contributed nothing just keep coming back on down days to post.

This is the stock thread. Throw out some actual info. What are you buying or selling? What actual news can you add? Heck, even an opinion is fine if there’s something more to it than the posts you make. You say you are in the business and yet I don’t recall a single useful post, just arguing that thins can get scary. Hello, McFly, we were all posting in March.

What on earth are you babbling about? Sorry I don't feel the need to post my personal portfolio performance like you do so often. 

I'm trying to be the voice of reason- I have more experience than most in here, but none of us have ever experienced anything resembling what we're going through right now. As I've said multiple times, no one knows how this is going to shake out, so while I know everyone just wants to talk about how much "free" money they've made, I'm trying to help many of the new "investors" in here not lose their shirts. I mean, people are trading options who seeming don't know the first thing about them- it's a recipe for disaster.

 

[McBokonon]

What on earth are you babbling about? Sorry I don't feel the need to post my personal portfolio performance like you do so often. 

I'm trying to be the voice of reason- I have more experience than most in here, but none of us have ever experienced anything resembling what we're going through right now. As I've said multiple times, no one knows how this is going to shake out, so while I know everyone just wants to talk about how much "free" money they've made, I'm trying to help many of the new "investors" in here not lose their shirts. I mean, people are trading options who seeming don't know the first thing about them- it's a recipe for disaster.

That’s not true. One guy accidentally bought the wrong side of the trade and won. So obviously just click buttons and collect riches is the answer.

 

[matuski]

What on earth are you babbling about? Sorry I don't feel the need to post my personal portfolio performance like you do so often. 

I'm trying to be the voice of reason- I have more experience than most in here, but none of us have ever experienced anything resembling what we're going through right now. As I've said multiple times, no one knows how this is going to shake out, so while I know everyone just wants to talk about how much "free" money they've made, I'm trying to help many of the new "investors" in here not lose their shirts. I mean, people are trading options who seeming don't know the first thing about them- it's a recipe for disaster.

I haven't seen anyone doing so with money they need... for example I bought NKLA warrants and still don't really understand why warrants exist.

But it is $3500.  Not gonna make or break me one way or the other.  I'll still be able to buy more shirts.

Having fun, learning.

 

[beef]

Robinhood loading up on TVIX

that may start clearing some of them out.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Also HTZ is attempting perhaps the craziest thing I've ever seen. Attempting to employ an ATM in bankruptcy so they can issue equity (https://twitter.com/TESLAcharts/status/1271205620482478081)

From the filing - "the Debtors now seek emergency relief from this Court to allow the Debtors to capture the potential value of unissued Hertz shares for the benefit of the Debtors’ estates...Moreover, the stock issuance would carry no repayment obligations, and the Debtors would not pay any interest or fees to those who provide the funding by buying shares"

If this is allowed, this is essentially fraud. Selling knowingly worthless shares. But I've lost sympathy for RH investors since they think they're smarter than everyone else. I got stopped out of my HTZ trade so no real skin in the game but this is awesome and ridiculous at the same time. 

How is HTZ even still listed?  Is there any reason not to buy puts right now?  I mean there isn't much meat on the bone ($2.30 for a 3.5 strike 7/17 put only leaves $1.2 max profit) but they are going to get de-listed, right?  So then wouldn't that 3.5 strike basically hit its max payout ($350) when that happens?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Robinhood loading up on TVIX

that may start clearing some of them out.

Well if that timestamp is right (12:21pm) they are probably playing with house money by now.

 

[sporthenry]

How is HTZ even still listed?  Is there any reason not to buy puts right now?  I mean there isn't much meat on the bone ($2.30 for a 3.5 strike 7/17 put only leaves $1.2 max profit) but they are going to get de-listed, right?  So then wouldn't that 3.5 strike basically hit its max payout ($350) when that happens?

Well they got the NYSE for delisting, then stock ran up so now they are appealing it. Will likely use this as fodder to appeal it. They would essentially multiply their share count by 1.5x. Currently have 154m shares, want to get up to 400m. So it's pre-COVID price of $20 would translate to a price of $7 per share at 400m shares. And that's excluding the destruction from COVID. Maybe equity would be worth something if it de-levered since $1bn in cash could reduce it's non-car debt by 25%. 

I can't imagine they get to go through with it but likely delays any delisting. I mean the dilution from the offering would drive the price down that they'd probably have to do a reverse split to keep compliance. But have to think given there isn't any institutional equity holders, they save retail from themselves. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Well if that timestamp is right (12:21pm) they are probably playing with house money by now.

Everyone is bagging on these RH folks, but they are nailing it pretty often.  25% return in half a day.

 

[stbugs]

What on earth are you babbling about? Sorry I don't feel the need to post my personal portfolio performance like you do so often. 

I'm trying to be the voice of reason- I have more experience than most in here, but none of us have ever experienced anything resembling what we're going through right now. As I've said multiple times, no one knows how this is going to shake out, so while I know everyone just wants to talk about how much "free" money they've made, I'm trying to help many of the new "investors" in here not lose their shirts. I mean, people are trading options who seeming don't know the first thing about them- it's a recipe for disaster.

I’ve never posted my full portfolio, but I absolutely have discussed stocks I own in this thread. I’m sure you’ve got a ton of experience but because of your success you wouldn’t want anyone to know what stocks you like. Lol, trying to help. It’s called Stock Thread, that’s what we seem to discuss. It’s pretty obvious to figure out the folks in here that are in the field and you aren’t one of the obvious ones. Helpful is like siffoin who gave a warning right before the drop at the end of February or todem posting about some stocks that on average went up 50% and a list of stocks he likes long term. Heck, Capella and I have been pimping Amazon since it was in the low to mid 1000s.

Thanks for being consistent at least. One more post and not a single contribution.

 

[ghostguy123]

So like, umm, why do some platforms offer trading after the markets are closed and before they open back up?  Like, uhhhh, does that mean the markets arent really closed?  Also, why not just like, have the market open for everyone for the same time frames and not allow some people to make moves and not others.

 

[stbugs]

Everyone is bagging on these RH folks, but they are nailing it pretty often.  25% return in half a day.

I think there’s two classes of folks on RH. The ones picking the stocks to pump and the others who jump in later. 

 

[BassNBrew]

I think there’s two classes of folks on RH. The ones picking the stocks to pump and the others who jump in later. 

It's possible they found a better way.  The NBA morphed to a 3 pt and dunk league.  Baseball has it's analytics.

 

[stbugs]

So like, umm, why do some platforms offer trading after the markets are closed and before they open back up?  Like, uhhhh, does that mean the markets arent really closed?  Also, why not just like, have the market open for everyone for the same time frames and not allow some people to make moves and not others.

After hours trading is tough. It’s amazing, well amazing until the past few weeks when bankrupt, about to delist and random crappy Chinese companies double or more in a day, how different AH’s results can be compared to the actual price the next day during normal hours. Pre-market tends to be right on the money but after hours can be all over the place. I assume pre-market is more professionals who then trade right into normal hours.

 

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Just ran the numbers.. down 3.5% from my ATH a couple days ago.

Not nearly as good as those who made the epic TVIX play today, but I'll  take it given this ####storm today And my lack of skill or experience. 

Currently 75% in play / 25% cash ready to roll as we get lower. 

THANK YOU to those of you who continue to share awesome advice in here. 

 

[beef]

It's possible they found a better way.  The NBA morphed to a 3 pt and dunk league.  Baseball has it's analytics.

Seems more like they're constantly shooting before they ever get to half court.  

I take plenty of risks too so I shouldn't bag too much.  And I've tailed their action to make a few bucks.  It's been interesting to follow the action and that the data is being reported.

 

[BassNBrew]

Seems more like they're constantly shooting before they ever get to half court.  

I take plenty of risks too so I shouldn't bag too much.  And I've tailed their action to make a few bucks.  It's been interesting to follow the action and that the data is being reported.

Yeah, I think it likely doesn't end well for most, but I'm not going to discount younger and more tech savvy just because they do it differently.

 

[humpback]

I’ve never posted my full portfolio, but I absolutely have discussed stocks I own in this thread. I’m sure you’ve got a ton of experience but because of your success you wouldn’t want anyone to know what stocks you like. Lol, trying to help. It’s called Stock Thread, that’s what we seem to discuss. It’s pretty obvious to figure out the folks in here that are in the field and you aren’t one of the obvious ones. Helpful is like siffoin who gave a warning right before the drop at the end of February or todem posting about some stocks that on average went up 50% and a list of stocks he likes long term. Heck, Capella and I have been pimping Amazon since it was in the low to mid 1000s.

Thanks for being consistent at least. One more post and not a single contribution.

Have you considered the possibility that there may be legitimate reasons why I can't post what I'm doing?

Some people like to talk a lot, personally I'm more of a doer. In any event, I think it's very helpful to mention that there are some very real risks out there, and that many people (especially inexperienced investors) would be better off avoiding the "hot tips" of the day and just dca'ing into index funds. No skin off my nose if you disagree or if it doesn't apply to you. 

 

[NajehHejan]

After the bloodbath the past two days, I'll take this for tomorrow. Really hope it holds.

U.S. Stock Futures

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 Nasdaq+60.00  /  +0.62%

 Dow+245.00  /  +0.97%

 

[pecorino]

After the bloodbath the past two days, I'll take this for tomorrow. Really hope it holds.

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 S&P+24.50  /  +0.81%

 Nasdaq+60.00  /  +0.62%

 Dow+245.00  /  +0.97%

Feels overly hopeful. I’ll predict an incredibly volatile day with big swings and a 1% loss once the dust settles. I’m buying in spots, still want to hold some cash. 

 

[CR69]

Have you considered the possibility that there may be legitimate reasons why I can't post what I'm doing?

Some people like to talk a lot, personally I'm more of a doer. In any event, I think it's very helpful to mention that there are some very real risks out there, and that many people (especially inexperienced investors) would be better off avoiding the "hot tips" of the day and just dca'ing into index funds. No skin off my nose if you disagree or if it doesn't apply to you. 

Yeah but isn't the whole point of this thread to discuss stocks? So if you're not going to discuss stocks with us, why exactly are you here? Not trying to be rude, genuinely curious. 

I don't think anyone in this thread is on the wsb level and I would wager that most of us are doing exactly that (methodically investing in 401ks/403bs/etc) with 75-90% of our invested assets. What's wrong with trying to see how smart we are or if we can find an edge with what amounts to fun money? 

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Robinhood loading up on TVIX

that may start clearing some of them out.

I didn't even know SLB used RH

 

[dkp993]

Any discussion of the upcoming dilution?

I was asking and looking for the same thing.  The only thing I found was in that link a few posts back that summarized the call. In that summary he noted NP said they rejected a financial offer of 25 mil that would have diluted the stock more the they are willing to do.  I wonder if that’s the dilution we all heard about.  

 

[sporthenry]

Feels overly hopeful. I’ll predict an incredibly volatile day with big swings and a 1% loss once the dust settles. I’m buying in spots, still want to hold some cash. 

I'd say that relief rally isn't great. Given the move has been to push in a-h, was expecting them to try to recapture 3070 or 3100. Guess there are two sides to each market but I'd be surprised to just see a 1% move. Just not sure which way it's going to go. We're essentially at the 1% move in AF. I just can't see it staying within the 2970-3070 channel. 

 

[NajehHejan]

Everyone please stop being a Debby Downer. Stonks go up tomorrow.

U.S. Stock Futures

 S&P+28.50  /  +0.95%

 Nasdaq+86.00  /  +0.89%

 Dow+263.00  /  +1.05%

 

[cosjobs]

You’ve been completely missing for a long time (read, market went up a lot) and now all of a sudden you’re back trying to act like you knew this was happening. Either actually contribute to the discussion or stay in the shadows. We all know the risks and what could happen up or down. None of us know the future, not even you but you’ve contributed nothing just keep coming back on down days to post.

This is the stock thread. Throw out some actual info. What are you buying or selling? What actual news can you add? Heck, even an opinion is fine if there’s something more to it than the posts you make. You say you are in the business and yet I don’t recall a single useful post, just arguing that thins can get scary. Hello, McFly, we were all posting in March.

Just because the market acts illogically doesn't mean there's something wrong with Hump's reasoning. No ducking way we should have had a V recovery even with the three trillion thrown onto the dumpster fire. 

Pretty much anyone who knew how to click the buy button made good money the last month, but we are not a nation of immaculate stock pickers and that realization will be the next great awakening.

 

[NajehHejan]

I used to tout BRZU (Brazil long leveraged etf) and I did make some coin but never had the guts to keep riding it and if you look at it, since it reverse split, it has gone completely parabolic. It’s odd because everything I’m seeing the Brazil economy is not doing very great and the virus is hitting them really hard. They have an insane sttong man hard right authoritative leader who is basically blowing off Covid while his people die. Ok, no more politics. I’m looking to take an inverse position next week in the short etf BZQ. I think you can bank 100% in less than two weeks. Of course don’t invest more than you can lose everything on. These aren’t for the faint of heart. Brazil is leading the world in new infections and I think the chickens will come home to roost.

Up 13.5% since Friday close. Still not sure which way this one will go - but so far, so good. I unfortunately never got in as i was too busy/forgetful.

 

[cosjobs]

Robinhood loading up on TVIX

that may start clearing some of them out.

Interesting

 

[Slapdash]

I used to tout BRZU (Brazil long leveraged etf) and I did make some coin but never had the guts to keep riding it and if you look at it, since it reverse split, it has gone completely parabolic. It’s odd because everything I’m seeing the Brazil economy is not doing very great and the virus is hitting them really hard. They have an insane sttong man hard right authoritative leader who is basically blowing off Covid while his people die. Ok, no more politics. I’m looking to take an inverse position next week in the short etf BZQ. I think you can bank 100% in less than two weeks. Of course don’t invest more than you can lose everything on. These aren’t for the faint of heart. Brazil is leading the world in new infections and I think the chickens will come home to roost.

Up 13.5% since Friday close. Still not sure which way this one will go - but so far, so good. I unfortunately never got in as i was too busy/forgetful.

Less developed market ETFs are an interesting space. Brazil seems very risky to me based on their COVID numbers. I really am worried about Brazil right now.

A lot of these are FX dependent though.

I did have a decent ride of profits on VNM and may buy back in soon.  Vietnam is a country that has stomped the virus and also benefits from US-China tensions.

 

[dkp993]

There's a shareholders vote on a dilution next month, right? 

.  Haven’t been able to find anything on that out side of here last week or so.  

 

[sporthenry]

@AdamMancini4 - Good reaction and relief bounce off the 200dma so far, 3070 the big wall above that bulls will need to clear to make this not a dead-cat bounce.

Bears: island reversal confirmed - sell ! Bulls: golden cross in the marking, price on confluence of support - buy !

 

[Slapdash]

In any event, I think it's very helpful to mention that there are some very real risks out there, and that many people (especially inexperienced investors) would be better off avoiding the "hot tips" of the day and just dca'ing into index funds.

Undoubtably true for the vast majority of investors. Swing trading in volatile markets is not something people should be betting a significant bankroll on.

 

[stbugs]

Just because the market acts illogically doesn't mean there's something wrong with Hump's reasoning. No ducking way we should have had a V recovery even with the three trillion thrown onto the dumpster fire. 

Pretty much anyone who knew how to click the buy button made good money the last month, but we are not a nation of immaculate stock pickers and that realization will be the next great awakening.

So? He hadn't posted in here for a couple months since the drop in March only to come back and "warn" everyone after the drop happened. Even I have posted multiple times that I am worried about the market. You've been pretty open about your TVIX purchases. It's one thing to contribute thoughts or potentially warn ahead of time. It's another to play Monday morning QB to state the obvious. He did the exact same thing in March after the nosedive. The message isn't the issue, pretty sure that's obvious considering this whole thread has just gone through some crazy ups and downs. Actionable messages or forewarning messages are helpful. Warnings after the car's already gone over cliff aren't.

 

[beef]

Everyone please stop being a Debby Downer. Stonks go up tomorrow.

U.S. Stock Futures

 S&P+28.50  /  +0.95%

 Nasdaq+86.00  /  +0.89%

 Dow+263.00  /  +1.05%

SmallCap +33.15 / 2.44%

 

[BassNBrew]

Up 13.5% since Friday close. Still not sure which way this one will go - but so far, so good. I unfortunately never got in as i was too busy/forgetful.

Thank you @NajehHejan  I'm up 21.8% at the moment on your suggestion plus whatever I made on the day trade in the first hour I bought it.  Sold off about 25% yesterday to lock in some profit and moved it to FAS later yesterday.  While I initially liked your reasoning, I'm getting a little concerned that Brazil is just ignoring the virus and it won't dampen their economy.  If this is mainly taking out their old and unhealthy and they are building herd immunity, they may come out stronger than anyone.

Undoubtably true for the vast majority of investors. Swing trading in volatile markets is not something people should be betting a significant bankroll on.

  Define significant

 

[BassNBrew]

IF you bought TVIX yesterday get the hell out now!!!!

We need a ####### Amazing Posting emoji.

Also need to change Todem's screen name to either the Stock Whisperer.

 

[sporthenry]

SmallCap +33.15 / 2.44%

That’s a relief rally. Overnight algos working hard. Lots of junk small cap indicating major recoveries. NCLH down 16.5%, up 13% in pre market. Guess it was just a blip. 

 

[cosjobs]

So? He hadn't posted in here for a couple months since the drop in March only to come back and "warn" everyone after the drop happened. Even I have posted multiple times that I am worried about the market. You've been pretty open about your TVIX purchases. It's one thing to contribute thoughts or potentially warn ahead of time. It's another to play Monday morning QB to state the obvious. He did the exact same thing in March after the nosedive. The message isn't the issue, pretty sure that's obvious considering this whole thread has just gone through some crazy ups and downs. Actionable messages or forewarning messages are helpful. Warnings after the car's already gone over cliff aren't.

I guess I understand your frustration, but this is a message board that has always allowed diverse opinions, even when we think the author is crazy (see PSF) or not abiding to the parameters we want to see. And I never like to see an thought or opinion shouted down. I like you and think you contribute a lot in here, but I would encourage you to debate positions rather than posting style. If he bothers you that much, maybe just put him on ignore. Anyway, I'm done on this topic.

Pre-market really up.

Wrestling with myself to take slightly reduced profits or load up more on the discount (i.e., TVIX down from 202-15 after close to about 170 here).

 

[cosjobs]

Less developed market ETFs are an interesting space. Brazil seems very risky to me based on their COVID numbers. I really am worried about Brazil right now.

A lot of these are FX dependent though.

I did have a decent ride of profits on VNM and may buy back in soon.  Vietnam is a country that has stomped the virus and also benefits from US-China tensions.

VNM looks interesting. But in the last year, it appears to have never had a day where 1mm shares were traded. Not once. I've been in some obscure stocks I liked and ended up trapped because there were no buyers when I wanted to exit. THanks for putting this on my radar, tho. I think it bears watching.

 

[McBokonon]

Thank you @NajehHejan  I'm up 21.8% at the moment on your suggestion plus whatever I made on the day trade in the first hour I bought it.  Sold off about 25% yesterday to lock in some profit and moved it to FAS later yesterday.  While I initially liked your reasoning, I'm getting a little concerned that Brazil is just ignoring the virus and it won't dampen their economy.  If this is mainly taking out their old and unhealthy and they are building herd immunity, they may come out stronger than anyone.

  Define significant

I read the other day that Brazil’s Fed Chief equivalent said there was plenty of room to cut rates, so they might be willing to fuel the market artificially just like everyone else.

Here’s the link.

Also just saw they were opening up half their malls. 

 

[sporthenry]

Not Mancini but another twitter account I follow:

BlueDeerCapital 
ES-- For this AM's trading, it is all about resistance at 3075/85, which must contain additional recovery strength to avert having to actually consider that yest's decline from 3210 to 2985 was a completed pullback. Barring a climb through 3085, ES should roll over beneath or from 3075/85, and needs to decline beneath 3030 support to challenge 3016/15, which a BIG upside pivot in overnight trading. IF 3015 is taken out, then ES will be vulnerable to a sharp downside follow-through that retests Thurs. low at 2885.25

 

[stbugs]

I guess I understand your frustration, but this is a message board that has always allowed diverse opinions, even when we think the author is crazy (see PSF) or not abiding to the parameters we want to see. And I never like to see an thought or opinion shouted down. I like you and think you contribute a lot in here, but I would encourage you to debate positions rather than posting style. If he bothers you that much, maybe just put him on ignore. Anyway, I'm done on this topic.

Pre-market really up.

Wrestling with myself to take slightly reduced profits or load up more on the discount (i.e., TVIX down from 202-15 after close to about 170 here).

No worries. I’m all for free speech, just trying to either get him to contribute since he supposedly is in the game so much that he can’t suggest anything. I’m done as well, I just tend to respond to people who MMQB with no substance. So many great posters in here with different strategies.

 

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@Todem

As a dividend guy, what are your thoughts on SCHD (Schwab High Dividend ETF)? 
 

I talk often about what I call the three pillars of dividend investing - dividend growth, high yield and dividend quality. Most focus on one of the three disciplines. Some combine two of the strategies into one overall investment objective. Very few hit on all three.

SCHD falls into the last category. And that's why I'm a big fan.

Let's take a look at its stock selection criteria.

At least 10 consecutive years of dividend payments

Minimum $500 million market cap

Best combination of cash flow to total debt, return on equity, dividend yield and 5-year dividend growth rate

Selecting the 100 highest-yielding stocks among the universe of qualifying components

The fund also puts a 4.5% weighting cap on any individual components and a 25% weighting cap on any sector in order to help ensure diversification.

That's a pretty good set of criteria with which to build a portfolio.
It has apparently also outperformed the S&P since it's inception in 2011. 

More info in this article

Thoughts? Better alternative than S&P index plays like SPY? 
 

 

[Todem]

@Todem

As a dividend guy, what are your thoughts on SCHD (Schwab High Dividend ETF)? 
 

I will take a look at the portfolio composition. Get back to you on that.

 

[BassNBrew]

SAVE up 15% in pre-market.  Just sold what I acquired yesterday and then some.  I'll add a little back at a reasonable price.  It was down 17% yesterday.  It shouldn't be trading 15% higher in pre-market.

 

[Jayrok]

Robinhood loading up on TVIX

that may start clearing some of them out.

yeesh... I hope those guys/gals understand how TVIX works.  Some message boarders talking like it is a stock.  "I wonder if Robinhood are going to pump this, it’s been beaten down since Mar from 1000 and millions years ago."   

 

[BassNBrew]

AAL up 14.7% vs. a 15.5% decline today.  Just unloaded mine.  This pre-market movement is totally irrational.

 

[BassNBrew]

BLMN looking to open about 10% higher.  Going to wait for the regular trading to shower in the sauce again.

 

[ghostguy123]

BLMN looking to open about 10% higher.  Going to wait for the regular trading to shower in the sauce again.

Chances are in about an hour in will drop to near even for the day then shoot back to 10+%.  

Its daily pre lunch dump off.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm glad the market is having a nice bounce today but I'm starting to get nervous again for the short to medium term. Living in Southern California and watching the news--Los Angeles just had the biggest number of covid cases reported in a single day yesterday.   The local news said that there is a good chance that LA will run out of beds in the ICU in 2-4 weeks.  Keep in mind--today--they are going to be opening a lot of bars, gyms, theaters, zoos in the area.  Also--keep in mind that the spike is occurring less than 2 weeks after Memorial Day weekend.  I'd expect more spikes to occur in the next week or two from the protests.  If we have a big bounce today--I'm thinking I might take some profits and wait on the sidelines until another pull back.   

 

[beef]

I'm glad the market is having a nice bounce today but I'm starting to get nervous again for the short to medium term. Living in Southern California and watching the news--Los Angeles just had the biggest number of covid cases reported in a single day yesterday.   The local news said that there is a good chance that LA will run out of beds in the ICU in 2-4 weeks.  Keep in mind--today--they are going to be opening a lot of bars, gyms, theaters, zoos in the area.  Also--keep in mind that the spike is occurring less than 2 weeks after Memorial Day weekend.  I'd expect more spikes to occur in the next week or two from the protests.  If we have a big bounce today--I'm thinking I might take some profits and wait on the sidelines until another pull back.   

I hear you.  More breakouts happening and fear is building up again.  Seems unlikely there will be a good news Covid weekend.  A big rebound today would go right in line with what we saw in Feb/March after huge drops.  I was expecting to see this rise today which is why I went in on FAS and TNA.  I will NOT hold these over the weekend though.