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Streaming or currently airing TV shows (AKA Netflix thread) (20 Viewers)

bigbottom said:
My wife and I just watched all four episodes back to back this evening. I don’t think any film, series or tv show has left me as devastated as this show did. It is absolutely fantastic and features some incredible acting performances, but I don’t know that I can recommend it. Part of me wishes I hadn’t watched it. But I think this is one of those stories that we need to hear, even if it leaves us feeling scarred to a degree.  
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Watched the first one and it made me so GD angry I haven’t been back. 

 
Capella said:
Watched the first one and it made me so GD angry I haven’t been back. 
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Totally understand. There were definitely moments that I just wanted to turn it off because it was just so brutal to watch. But since we knew how the story ended, my wife and I were committed to watching it until the end when something good finally happens for these kids/men. 

If you are inclined to pick it up again, there’s an hour long special where Oprah interviews the director, the cast, and the five real life men. It’s worth a watch for those who have finished the series. 

 
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Started "Ramy" on Hulu last night. 30-minute comedy about a young Muslim-American living in NJ. He's in his 20's and trying to be an adult while his family and community perhaps have no idea of what being a "good" Muslim looks like in the 21st century today. It's funny and a snapshot of a person, family, and community that isn't often portrayed in such a lighthearted manner. I heard the lead actor/comedian/creator of the series on NPR a few months back. At the end of the day, this is a slacker-fish-out-of-water type of comedy that works for me.

 
Don't Noonan said:
I watched the first half of episode 1 and turned it off because I was bored.
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Capella said:
Watched the first one and it made me so GD angry I haven’t been back. 
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Strikingly different reactions. Understand Cap's. Can't understand how you could be bored watching this Noonan. Get some empathy damn. 

 
Don't Noonan said:
Nothing interesting had happened when I stopped watching.   :shrug: What was I supposed to get angry about?  
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Idk, when I watch something about a real life event, it's usually because I'm interested in the subject matter. The usual "grab my attention and don't let go within 25-30 min or I'm gone" doesn't apply the same when I know what I'm getting into. And agree to disagree on "nothing interesting happening" early on, but that's a matter of personal taste I guess. 

Your post was just a weird reaction to it and the only one like it I've heard/seen. You're allowed to feel how you feel about it obviously. Maybe I'm being a bad poster and letting some PSF stuff color my judgement on your reaction to this. 

 
Don't Noonan said:
Nothing interesting had happened when I stopped watching.   :shrug: What was I supposed to get angry about?  
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I don't think the coerced confessions happen until the latter half of the first episode, so that makes sense.  First half of the first episode is being introduced to the characters and then seeing the situation in the park.

 
Capella said:
Christ man come on. 
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I mean, the camera work was pretty bad but it looked like someone got beat up in the park.  Cops brought a few kids to the police station where they started questioning them.  That is where I turned it off.  I guess I need to keep watching for the upsetting part.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Idk, when I watch something about a real life event, it's usually because I'm interested in the subject matter. The usual "grab my attention and don't let go within 25-30 min or I'm gone" doesn't apply the same when I know what I'm getting into. And agree to disagree on "nothing interesting happening" early on, but that's a matter of personal taste I guess. 

Your post was just a weird reaction to it and the only one like it I've heard/seen. You're allowed to feel how you feel about it obviously. Maybe I'm being a bad poster and letting some PSF stuff color my judgement on your reaction to this. 
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I had no idea this was a real life event.  I just saw it mentioned in this thread.

 
Don't Noonan said:
I mean, the camera work was pretty bad but it looked like someone got beat up in the park.  Cops brought a few kids to the police station where they started questioning them.  That is where I turned it off.  I guess I need to keep watching for the upsetting part.
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Yeah, you do.  If the real life events happened even close to how it plays out throughout the show, it's a friggin travesty.

 
bigbottom said:
Capella said:
Watched the first one and it made me so GD angry I haven’t been back. 
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Totally understand. There were definitely moments that I just wanted to turn it off because it was just so brutal to watch. But since we knew how the story ended, my wife and I were committed to watching it until the end when something good finally happens for these kids/men. 

If you are inclined to pick it up again, there’s an hour long special where Oprah interviews the director, the cast, and the five real life men. It’s worth a watch for those who have finished the series.
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Haven’t seen this yet but very interested, the only thing I’ve ever watched but couldn’t get through because it invoked some much feeling was the Leaving Neverland Michael Jackson Documentary. Wife and I made it through one episode and couldn’t bring ourselves to watch the rest. I can’t still get super angry months later just thinking about it.  

 
dkp993 said:
Haven’t seen this yet but very interested, the only thing I’ve ever watched but couldn’t get through because it invoked some much feeling was the Leaving Neverland Michael Jackson Documentary. Wife and I made it through one episode and couldn’t bring ourselves to watch the rest. I can’t still get super angry months later just thinking about it.  
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Yeah, I made a conscious decision not to watch that documentary.

 
I find noonan's "don't know/don't understand/don't like" schtick (intentional or not) concerning universally known and lauded things strangely compelling.

 
whoknew said:
Really? Not to carry over from the political forum, but that does surprise me considering you are a big Trump supporter.
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It happened in 1989, and I think you'd have to be at least 15 or so and probably in your 20's to really remember and appreciate the hysteria.  That was pre-internet, and I think I'm probably like many others who just assumed they found the kids who committed this horrible crime.  I specifically remember being introduced to the term "wilding" and how horrifying the story was,  as told by the media of the day.

I'm not going to watch this one.  Won't watch Neverland, the one about Bundy, Larry Nassar, or any others of this nature.  I will read about these stories, but for whatever reason don't have the fortitude to watch the documentaries.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
It happened in 1989, and I think you'd have to be at least 15 or so and probably in your 20's to really remember and appreciate the hysteria.  That was pre-internet, and I think I'm probably like many others who just assumed they found the kids who committed this horrible crime.  I specifically remember being introduced to the term "wilding" and how horrifying the story was,  as told by the media of the day.

I'm not going to watch this one.  Won't watch Neverland, the one about Bundy, Larry Nassar, or any others of this nature.  I will read about these stories, but for whatever reason don't have the fortitude to watch the documentaries.
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For what it’s worth, When They See Us is a dramatization, not a documentary. But it is still devastating and I think your position stands regardless. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
It happened in 1989, and I think you'd have to be at least 15 or so and probably in your 20's to really remember and appreciate the hysteria.  That was pre-internet, and I think I'm probably like many others who just assumed they found the kids who committed this horrible crime.  I specifically remember being introduced to the term "wilding" and how horrifying the story was,  as told by the media of the day.

I'm not going to watch this one.  Won't watch Neverland, the one about Bundy, Larry Nassar, or any others of this nature.  I will read about these stories, but for whatever reason don't have the fortitude to watch the documentaries.
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My issue with this show is the following: how are we supposed to know what really happened in those interview rooms?  Or what the police were saying or doing?  I watched the first episode and was obviously upset about how things took place.  But, at the same time, there's no way for anyone to really know.  There's no way the police involved are giving that side of the story.  Or the prosecutor.  These aren't the real interviews we are watching.

We know the kids were innocent.  Just seeing what those kids were like in the beginning of the show was enough for me.  I lost interest in continuing beyond the 1st episode because the rest will only make me angry/sad and I'm not sure how much of the actual events that I'm watching that are causing that are real, if that makes any sense. 

 
gianmarco said:
My issue with this show is the following: how are we supposed to know what really happened in those interview rooms?  Or what the police were saying or doing?  I watched the first episode and was obviously upset about how things took place.  But, at the same time, there's no way for anyone to really know.  There's no way the police involved are giving that side of the story.  Or the prosecutor.  These aren't the real interviews we are watching.
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I’m not sure I follow. The boys were in the interviews (as were their parents for part of it) and I imagine that these scenes  were based largely, if not exclusively, on their recounting of the events. I mean, you can doubt their recollection, or even their truthfulness, but it’s not like there weren’t eyewitnesses who were there that were consulted for the series. Now what I am curious about are the scenes that are exclusively with Fairstein and the cops, or Fairstein and the prosecutor. I wonder whether the prosecutor provided detail (as she came off a lot better than Fairstein).

By the way, the director wanted everyone to have input into the film. She contacted Fairstein to get her involvement, but Fairstein wanted to negotiate for things like script approval rights and the director passed. 

 
bigbottom said:
I’m not sure I follow. The boys were in the interviews (as were their parents for part of it) and I imagine that these scenes  were based largely, if not exclusively, on their recounting of the events. I mean, you can doubt their recollection, or even their truthfulness, but it’s not like there weren’t eyewitnesses who were there that were consulted for the series. Now what I am curious about are the scenes that are exclusively with Fairstein and the cops, or Fairstein and the prosecutor. I wonder whether the prosecutor provided detail (as she came off a lot better than Fairstein).

By the way, the director wanted everyone to have input into the film. She contacted Fairstein to get her involvement, but Fairstein wanted to negotiate for things like script approval rights and the director passed. 
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The bolded is exactly it and the biggest one that I took away from wondering "how could they know this is what happened"?

As for the interviews, the parents weren't there for the beginning.  And trusting the boys recollection from so long ago and at that age given the circumstances (I mean, to confess in the first place because of how they were played against each other), I think it's a stretch to know exactly how the cops did it and/or what was said.  I'm pretty sure it's close, but there's enough there to not know for sure.

And, considering it's the cop's actions in those interviews along with Fairstein/prosecutor that is the most egregious and makes me so mad that I just don't want to watch without knowing that's exactly how it happened.  It's probably just me.  I would hope that they didn't intentionally look to ruin these boys' lives as bad as they make it out just because of the circumstances and pressure surrounding the case but I know it's obviously a strong possibility. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
It happened in 1989, and I think you'd have to be at least 15 or so and probably in your 20's to really remember and appreciate the hysteria.  That was pre-internet, and I think I'm probably like many others who just assumed they found the kids who committed this horrible crime.  I specifically remember being introduced to the term "wilding" and how horrifying the story was,  as told by the media of the day.

I'm not going to watch this one.  Won't watch Neverland, the one about Bundy, Larry Nassar, or any others of this nature.  I will read about these stories, but for whatever reason don't have the fortitude to watch the documentaries.
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I was in NYC for this, so of course it was huge.

This was also deep into the crack and homelessness era (made worse under Reagan and Dinkins), so NYC was on edge for random violence. The idea of "Wilding" was already in the air surrounding gangs like the Latin Kings who were supposedly targeting strong/tough white dudes for their initiations...and a few years removed from Bernie Goetz. this story was lightning in a bottle.

I have no interest in putting myself through the injustice of it. I hear about these in general, but have been watching those that concern kids getting abused by people in supposedly safe positions of authority...just to learn from in relation to our own kids. Lessons about police are already solidly in place.

 
gianmarco said:
The bolded is exactly it and the biggest one that I took away from wondering "how could they know this is what happened"?

As for the interviews, the parents weren't there for the beginning.  And trusting the boys recollection from so long ago and at that age given the circumstances (I mean, to confess in the first place because of how they were played against each other), I think it's a stretch to know exactly how the cops did it and/or what was said.  I'm pretty sure it's close, but there's enough there to not know for sure.

And, considering it's the cop's actions in those interviews along with Fairstein/prosecutor that is the most egregious and makes me so mad that I just don't want to watch without knowing that's exactly how it happened.  It's probably just me.  I would hope that they didn't intentionally look to ruin these boys' lives as bad as they make it out just because of the circumstances and pressure surrounding the case but I know it's obviously a strong possibility. 
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Any story, whether a dramatization or a documentary, that relies on a recounting of events from memory will have this aspect to it. Did the interviews happen exactly word for word as depicted?  Of course not. But is there any question in your mind that they were manipulated and/or coerced into making those confessions?  If not, why wouldn’t you trust these kid’s memories as to how they were coerced?  Re the bolded, it’s not like they’re recounting the interviews for the first time 30 years later. This was part of the trial and a huge part of their defense at the time. They were on record then as to how things went down. 

 
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Weren't those interviews recorded too?

Eta... Actual interrogations, not interviews later on.

 
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bigbottom said:
Any story, whether a dramatization or a documentary, that relies on a recounting of events from memory will have this aspect to it. Did the interviews happen exactly word for word as depicted?  Of course not. But is there any question in your mind that they were manipulated and/or coerced into making those confessions?  If not, why wouldn’t you trust these kid’s memories as to how they were coerced?  Re the bolded, it’s not like they’re recounting the interviews for the first time 30 years later. This was part of the trial and a huge part of their defense at the time. They were on record then as to how things went down. 
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It's all good. I don't think I'm expressing myself the way I'm intending.  I completely believe they were coerced. I think the whole ordeal was a complete travesty. Like others, I was pretty upset after just the first episode. 

I mentioned the interviews but, as you mentioned, I think it was more the dialogue and motive behind the prosecution side that probably I had a hard time watching knowing there's really not a good way to know that's what went down. 

I normally love movies and shows based on real events. This one, for whatever reason, was just difficult to watch and for some reasons I'm not coveying clearly enough, made me not really want to keep watching. It's a horrible story.

Sorry for the back and forth and muddying up the thread on this. 

 
El Floppo said:
Weren't those interviews recorded too?

Eta... Actual interrogations, not interviews later on.
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As I understand it, the interrogations were not recorded and no notes were taken by the cops.  The kids were interrogated 7+ hours before their statements/confessions were recorded. 

 
gianmarco said:
It's all good. I don't think I'm expressing myself the way I'm intending.  I completely believe they were coerced. I think the whole ordeal was a complete travesty. Like others, I was pretty upset after just the first episode. 

I mentioned the interviews but, as you mentioned, I think it was more the dialogue and motive behind the prosecution side that probably I had a hard time watching knowing there's really not a good way to know that's what went down. 

I normally love movies and shows based on real events. This one, for whatever reason, was just difficult to watch and for some reasons I'm not coveying clearly enough, made me not really want to keep watching. It's a horrible story.

Sorry for the back and forth and muddying up the thread on this. 
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No need to apologize. I had a hard time watching it myself. 

 
El Floppo said:
I was in NYC for this, so of course it was huge.

This was also deep into the crack and homelessness era (made worse under Reagan and Dinkins), so NYC was on edge for random violence. The idea of "Wilding" was already in the air surrounding gangs like the Latin Kings who were supposedly targeting strong/tough white dudes for their initiations...and a few years removed from Bernie Goetz. this story was lightning in a bottle.

I have no interest in putting myself through the injustice of it. I hear about these in general, but have been watching those that concern kids getting abused by people in supposedly safe positions of authority...just to learn from in relation to our own kids. Lessons about police are already solidly in place.
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i moved to NYC in '95 and this was very much the case. i remember living on the UWS at 108th Street and there was an attack on a jogger near where we walked our dogs in Central Park. it churned up a lot of chatter about this kind of case again with talk of "wilding".

ETA - we watched it all over the last week or so. i felt like the final 2 episodes were much better than the first 2. that said, season 4 of "The Wire" was better.

 
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whoknew said:
The Family - New documentary on Netflix. Starting the first episode now.

Netflix's latest docuseries, The Family, investigates a super secretive Christian Conservative organization in Washington, D.C. called The Fellowship Foundation, but referred to internally as "the Family." According to Jeff Sharlet, the author of the book that the series is based on,hey believe that "the real message of Christ is not so much love, as strength." Sure, that sounds innocent enough. Until you realize that the Family has lots of power all over the world, and they're not using it for good.
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Just finished the fourth episode. This is infuriating. And creepy.

 
JoeSteeler said:
Dark is great...was worried season 2 wouldn't be as good, but it is
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I liked it. I read that it was billed as "the European Stranger Things". Despite the central characters being kids and some 80's retro references it wasn't really like Stranger Things at all. I dig time travel/alternate universe stories so it was in my wheelhouse. Dark was a heavy series, a lot of drama. It wasn't something I thought my kids would want to watch with me. It didn't have any humor mixed in like Stranger Things. There were so many characters that I kind of got lost at times on who was who, but it was a good watch. Interested to see the final season when it comes out. It was a weird coincidence that both current seasons of Dark and Stranger Things ended with a Peter Gabriel cover song. EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!

 
ericttspikes said:
I liked it. I read that it was billed as "the European Stranger Things". Despite the central characters being kids and some 80's retro references it wasn't really like Stranger Things at all. I dig time travel/alternate universe stories so it was in my wheelhouse. Dark was a heavy series, a lot of drama. It wasn't something I thought my kids would want to watch with me. It didn't have any humor mixed in like Stranger Things. There were so many characters that I kind of got lost at times on who was who, but it was a good watch. Interested to see the final season when it comes out. It was a weird coincidence that both current seasons of Dark and Stranger Things ended with a Peter Gabriel cover song. EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!
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agree with you... ST is a cartoon (and again- I like the show) while Dark is more of a psych/sci-fi/drama. they might cover similar eras and have kids, but I wouldn't necessarily think to link them. kind of like comparing The Americans to ST... not really apt.

eta: and nice pickup with gabriel tunes!

 
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