I meant my post mostly as a joke, but in 5 games only 1 QB has thrown for 200 yards against the Bears - Kitna, and only 1 QB has thrown a TD against the Bears - Losman (who threw for 115 yards, despite plenty of garbage time). So expecting 200/1 at a minimum from a rookie QB in his 2nd start, is I think overly optimistic.I think Leinart should have 20+ attempts in the second half garbage time. I fully expect decent numbers, 200/1 at a minimum.Note that Leinart faces the Bears next week. Presumably it will be better than the 0 you'd get otherwise, and not to be mean, but I wouldn't exactly start dancing in circles about this bye week coverage.I have Manning with Simms and Leinart. Thank goodness Warner got the boot this last week otherwise I'd be toast too!Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.
My lone QB next week is Loseman. At least they are playing the Lions and not the Bears.Me too. :shudder:I am counting on Pennington next week.Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.I'll be lucky to survive next week with only Housh, Toomer and Glenn as my WRs. Poor bye week planning with Wayne, Jennings, Gabriel and Williamson all out.
I want to party with this guy, he has the good stuff.On the other hand, I hope you are right.I think Leinart should have 20+ attempts in the second half garbage time. I fully expect decent numbers, 200/1 at a minimum.Note that Leinart faces the Bears next week. Presumably it will be better than the 0 you'd get otherwise, and not to be mean, but I wouldn't exactly start dancing in circles about this bye week coverage.I have Manning with Simms and Leinart. Thank goodness Warner got the boot this last week otherwise I'd be toast too!Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.
If it's a blowout, I don't know that they'll want to risk keeping Leinart in against the Bears D. That could prove to be a very costly mistake.I think Leinart should have 20+ attempts in the second half garbage time. I fully expect decent numbers, 200/1 at a minimum.Note that Leinart faces the Bears next week. Presumably it will be better than the 0 you'd get otherwise, and not to be mean, but I wouldn't exactly start dancing in circles about this bye week coverage.I have Manning with Simms and Leinart. Thank goodness Warner got the boot this last week otherwise I'd be toast too!Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.
Outside of the injury risk, why would they take him out? He is a rookie and needs as much time at game speed as he can get, plus it isn't like they are worried about making the playoffs.If it's a blowout, I don't know that they'll want to risk keeping Leinart in against the Bears D. That could prove to be a very costly mistake.I think Leinart should have 20+ attempts in the second half garbage time. I fully expect decent numbers, 200/1 at a minimum.Note that Leinart faces the Bears next week. Presumably it will be better than the 0 you'd get otherwise, and not to be mean, but I wouldn't exactly start dancing in circles about this bye week coverage.I have Manning with Simms and Leinart. Thank goodness Warner got the boot this last week otherwise I'd be toast too!Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.

Well, the injury risk is what I'm talking about. The Bears get a lot of sacks. Don't get me wrong, Leinart will probably lbenefit from facing a tough pass-rushing defense, but there may come a point where he's just getting shellacked and not learning anything. Just noting a possibility.Outside of the injury risk, why would they take him out? He is a rookie and needs as much time at game speed as he can get, plus it isn't like they are worried about making the playoffs.If it's a blowout, I don't know that they'll want to risk keeping Leinart in against the Bears D. That could prove to be a very costly mistake.I think Leinart should have 20+ attempts in the second half garbage time. I fully expect decent numbers, 200/1 at a minimum.Note that Leinart faces the Bears next week. Presumably it will be better than the 0 you'd get otherwise, and not to be mean, but I wouldn't exactly start dancing in circles about this bye week coverage.I have Manning with Simms and Leinart. Thank goodness Warner got the boot this last week otherwise I'd be toast too!Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.![]()
I have Trent Green and Matt Leinart paired with Manning. At least I'll have Rudi Johnson back in the fold to cushion the loss of Manning's numbers. Hopefully Green gets back.Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.I'll be lucky to survive next week with only Housh, Toomer and Glenn as my WRs. Poor bye week planning with Wayne, Jennings, Gabriel and Williamson all out.
I've got Vick and Losman. I might get hurt at WR, though. I have only Evans, Housh, Chambers, and maybe Roy. I need his shoulder to get better.It looks like a lot of people are depending upon Leinart vs Chicago.Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.I'll be lucky to survive next week with only Housh, Toomer and Glenn as my WRs. Poor bye week planning with Wayne, Jennings, Gabriel and Williamson all out.
There may be a mix of rain or snow in Denver Monday night.The game has the look of a defensive struggle and poor weather may not help. per rotoworldThis helps those hoping to hang on![]()
If I make it to next week (sitting on 111 now) I have Pennington vs Mia and Young vs Wash with Manning on bye. This week was by far the worst for my in byes as I limited myself to no Rudi, one TE, one K and one D. Stupid in retrospect. If I can squeak though I like my chances the rest of the way.Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.I'll be lucky to survive next week with only Housh, Toomer and Glenn as my WRs. Poor bye week planning with Wayne, Jennings, Gabriel and Williamson all out.
Simms and Losman. Along with my 1 QB next week, I have only 3 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D.If I make it to next week (sitting on 111 now) I have Pennington vs Mia and Young vs Wash with Manning on bye. This week was by far the worst for my in byes as I limited myself to no Rudi, one TE, one K and one D. Stupid in retrospect. If I can squeak though I like my chances the rest of the way.Just curious who all the Peyton Manning owners have at QB for week six. I have him paired with Vick and Schaub.I'll be lucky to survive next week with only Housh, Toomer and Glenn as my WRs. Poor bye week planning with Wayne, Jennings, Gabriel and Williamson all out.
I think the cut-off will be less than 100 next week. Reasons:Looking ahead to week 6 and the 6 teams on bye...(CLE, GB, IND, JAX, MIN, NE)
Bye players in BOLD We'll see... I wonder if the cutoff will be less than 100?
PRICE WK 1 WK 2 WK 3 WK 4
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Jake Delhomme $15 8.3 9.1 18.8 16.1
Carson Palmer $22 6.2 23.7 24.1 12.2
Jake Plummer $16 3.9 7.5 21.7 0.0
Vernand Morency $ 1 2.9 0.0 0.3 17.8
Reggie Bush $22 19.9 15.3 11.2 11.0
Frank Gore $10 35.0 21.7 13.4 9.9
Willie Parker $32 15.8 5.6 27.6 0.0
Travis Henry $ 2 15.4 0.0 9.0 0.0
Terry Glenn $13 12.1 21.4 0.0 24.6
Roy Williams $27 6.6 13.1 26.8 22.9
Torry Holt $46 15.0 14.0 26.0 22.2
Greg Jennings $ 2 1.5 18.7 19.1 13.6
Braylon Edwards $ 2 4.3 15.0 22.6 13.5
Antonio Bryant $ 9 15.4 23.1 7.6 4.9
Troy Williamson $ 4 11.7 16.2 7.9 4.7
Ben Watson $ 9 8.0 6.9 12.6 4.5
Tony Scheffler $ 1 1.9 0.0 0.0 0.0
Neil Rackers $ 4 10.0 4.0 2.0 4.0
John Kasay $ 2 6.0 7.0 14.0 3.0
Miami Dolphins $ 3 5.0 2.0 8.0 9.0
Carolina Panthers $ 8 1.0 7.0 3.0 3.0
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TOTAL 128.7 144.8 175.1 132.1
CUTOFF 0.0 123.7 125.3 106.8
98.5 + 9.6-3.1 = 105.098.5 + Plummer-13.0 + Ma.Clayton-3.1 + Elam-8![]()
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something like 99.7 before mnf. check back a bit for drinen's post. after mnf id expect it to be 104-108And the unofficial cutoff is.... ?
Im going to be one ten yard catch away from moving on. <_<This was my brutal week.McNair and his .25 (if my calculations are correct) really hurt.Rudi and TJ on a bye hurt and my TEs came up empty too.108.1 according to my calculations. Where's that praying smiley?
Talk to me in a few weeks and see what happens. Gore gets Chargers, Bye, and Bears the next 3 weeks. Good freakin' luck getting production out of him then. That percentage is going to plummet drastically and when it's all said and done, most Gore owners will be out.pantagrapher said:Disco Stu said:Update: Gore now up to 72.9%.And the % goes up again to 69.6%. Good call again, butcher boy. With Parker on bye and nothing from Dunn or Chet Taylor I actually used Gore's lousy 10 points and still finished in the top 600 overall. Try not to be too bitter over passing on him.So you were wrong before and decided to be wrong a second time?I said it before, but I'll say it again, most Gore owners, if they weren't ousted last week are in for some hurt. Besides the Raiders, the 49er schedule the next few weeks is brutal.![]()
The percentage of Gore owners has actually been rising as you've been predicting doomsday...Originally it was at 60.6%After week 2 it was up to 65.4%After week 3 it was up to 69.2%Gore was only $10, so he's probably the RB4 on most teams. If he does well, it puts the 30% of people who don't have him in danger. If he doesn't do well, it only hurts the guys who are thin at RB.
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For the fun of it - I'm projecting cut lines for the rest of the elimination weeks. To me the major considerations are: what percentage are being cut, how many teams are on a bye, are there very frequently owned players on a bye, and as the year goes on the sense that scoring will slowly go down as more guys are injured/replaced compared to what we knew when we picked prior to the season.Week 6: 6 teams on bye, lots of frequently owned guys - Watson, Edwards, Jennings, Williamson, Manning etc., cutting 17% of remaining contestants - cut line: 95Week 7: 6 teams on bye, some frequently owned guys - Gore, Bush, Bryant, cutting 20% - cut line 104Week 8: 4 teams on bye, few frequently owned guys - Kitna, Evans, cutting 25% - cut line 123Week 9: 4 teams on bye, very few frequently owned guys - Delhomme, L.J. Smith (8.8%), cutting 33%, cut line 132Week 10: no byes, cut 25%, cut line 130Week 11: no byes, cut 33%, cut line 136Week 12: no byes, cut 50%, cut line 145Someone could probably do better looking at what the 25% line was in previous weeks, etc., but this is a first shot at it.Just missed the Top 1000 this week and never been within 20 points of the cut.Week 6 I'm missing Peyton (Rivers/Cutler), Wayne, Williamson (Glenn, Evans, Horn, Engram, McCardell) and Franks (ASmith).Week 7 I lose Gore, THenry (Rudi, Parker, Barber III) and Horn.My RBs need to carry me for a couple of weeks...I predict two more weeks of cuts in the 105 range, then a jump into the 130s.Bye weeks eliminate the bottom feeders, the real competition begins in Week 8.
That's shaky logic. The difference is that - because he was so cheap - we're not dependent on him. Unlike a guy like Alexander or LT that struggles, we didn't spend a quarter of the cap on him. My RBs are Gore(10), Parker(32), MB3(10), Deuce(15), Rudi(42) = total cost of 109. I'd rather take my chances with the 5 of those guys than, say, LJ + C.Taylor who cost 107 alone. It's all about value. The reason that Gore, Jennings etc are on a lot of surviving rosters is because they are well outplaying their cost - so when they don't perform, we hopefully have other players on the roster who WERE expected to perform.Talk to me in a few weeks and see what happens. Gore gets Chargers, Bye, and Bears the next 3 weeks. Good freakin' luck getting production out of him then. That percentage is going to plummet drastically and when it's all said and done, most Gore owners will be out.
I don't think we would ever do this as people would essentially be buying and selling players to get more cap space before the contest officially started. So it would be a huge advantage to start early. The way we are doing it isn't perfect as some key injuries/camp battles make certain picks a lot more attractive, but at least everyone has the same chance regardless of entry date.BassNBrew said:Hey David...any chance that next year you could update player values on a weekly basis in August. Those submitting entries early wouldn't be impacted by the changes, but those making adjustments later would have to work to your new values? It might make things even more interesting and would really spread out the distribution of players selected. In lieu of that, you might just want to make the contest entry timeframe limited to the timeframe from the last pre-season game to the first NFL game so you could factor pre-season changes and injuries into your values.
Hell, I'll trade them for an Oakland QBHeh DD - any chance I can trade Sims and Culp for a bucket of popcorn?

What's your definition of "when it's all said and done"? What week is that exactly? Because saying most Gore owners will be out at some point isn't really going out on a limb if you push that point back far enough. That's the nature of the contest. We started out with over 7000 Gore owners, they can't all make the final 500.Talk to me in a few weeks and see what happens. Gore gets Chargers, Bye, and Bears the next 3 weeks. Good freakin' luck getting production out of him then. That percentage is going to plummet drastically and when it's all said and done, most Gore owners will be out.pantagrapher said:Disco Stu said:Update: Gore now up to 72.9%.And the % goes up again to 69.6%. Good call again, butcher boy. With Parker on bye and nothing from Dunn or Chet Taylor I actually used Gore's lousy 10 points and still finished in the top 600 overall. Try not to be too bitter over passing on him.So you were wrong before and decided to be wrong a second time?I said it before, but I'll say it again, most Gore owners, if they weren't ousted last week are in for some hurt. Besides the Raiders, the 49er schedule the next few weeks is brutal.![]()
The percentage of Gore owners has actually been rising as you've been predicting doomsday...
Originally it was at 60.6%
After week 2 it was up to 65.4%
After week 3 it was up to 69.2%
Gore was only $10, so he's probably the RB4 on most teams. If he does well, it puts the 30% of people who don't have him in danger. If he doesn't do well, it only hurts the guys who are thin at RB.![]()
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And what's your definition of "plummet drastically"? It's reasonable to expect the percentage we've been tracking to drop some over the next few weeks, but I'd be willing to bet anything that it will still be over 50% after week 8.Hey Doug Drinen,I see that 72% own F Gore and 30% own R Bush, I wonder how many other people out there are like me and own them both. This could be huge as they both have their bye next week... If there are enough of us it shouldnt really effect the outcome too much, as there will only be 1,000 sent home.

What I mean is that when its down to 500 teams left, the percentage of those teams having Gore won't be 72.9. It wont be 50%. It will be MUCH lower in my opinion. People may think they're high and mighty for nabbing him at 10 bucks but lets see how that value pans out in the future.At the end of the year we're all going to be laughing at how much of a bust Gore ended up being in the second half of the year. Those 2 surgically repaired knees are going to go out in 5...4...3...2...What's your definition of "when it's all said and done"? What week is that exactly? Because saying most Gore owners will be out at some point isn't really going out on a limb if you push that point back far enough. That's the nature of the contest. We started out with over 7000 Gore owners, they can't all make the final 500.Talk to me in a few weeks and see what happens. Gore gets Chargers, Bye, and Bears the next 3 weeks. Good freakin' luck getting production out of him then. That percentage is going to plummet drastically and when it's all said and done, most Gore owners will be out.pantagrapher said:Disco Stu said:Update: Gore now up to 72.9%.And the % goes up again to 69.6%. Good call again, butcher boy. With Parker on bye and nothing from Dunn or Chet Taylor I actually used Gore's lousy 10 points and still finished in the top 600 overall. Try not to be too bitter over passing on him.So you were wrong before and decided to be wrong a second time?I said it before, but I'll say it again, most Gore owners, if they weren't ousted last week are in for some hurt. Besides the Raiders, the 49er schedule the next few weeks is brutal.![]()
The percentage of Gore owners has actually been rising as you've been predicting doomsday...
Originally it was at 60.6%
After week 2 it was up to 65.4%
After week 3 it was up to 69.2%
Gore was only $10, so he's probably the RB4 on most teams. If he does well, it puts the 30% of people who don't have him in danger. If he doesn't do well, it only hurts the guys who are thin at RB.![]()
Butcherboy gets
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And what's your definition of "plummet drastically"? It's reasonable to expect the percentage we've been tracking to drop some over the next few weeks, but I'd be willing to bet anything that it will still be over 50% after week 8.
I don't think he meant it like that. I think he meant that you had to use all cap values at the time of submission. You couldn't trade out one guy and keep the rest at the prior cap values. Each submission would be independent. The problem with that is it defeats one of the things that makes this contest nice - it's simple and doesn't take a whole lot of time. However, I like his last suggestion. Many people don't make their submission until the last few days (or at least, check it). Maybe waiting a little more time before posting cap values and accepting entries would allow for cap values to be more closely tied to your final projections (like for Gore post Barlow trade or Watson) and that might spread out some of the picks.I don't think we would ever do this as people would essentially be buying and selling players to get more cap space before the contest officially started. So it would be a huge advantage to start early. The way we are doing it isn't perfect as some key injuries/camp battles make certain picks a lot more attractive, but at least everyone has the same chance regardless of entry date.BassNBrew said:Hey David...any chance that next year you could update player values on a weekly basis in August. Those submitting entries early wouldn't be impacted by the changes, but those making adjustments later would have to work to your new values? It might make things even more interesting and would really spread out the distribution of players selected. In lieu of that, you might just want to make the contest entry timeframe limited to the timeframe from the last pre-season game to the first NFL game so you could factor pre-season changes and injuries into your values.
I remember Derrick Loville all too well. On his best day, Loville never had 1/2 the talent of Frank Gore. I'm not sure what relevance you think Loville has to this discussion, other than they were both 49er running backs. Loville was a lousy player on a very good team, while Gore is a very good player on a mediocre team.What I mean is that when its down to 500 teams left, the percentage of those teams having Gore won't be 72.9. It wont be 50%. It will be MUCH lower in my opinion. People may think they're high and mighty for nabbing him at 10 bucks but lets see how that value pans out in the future.At the end of the year we're all going to be laughing at how much of a bust Gore ended up being in the second half of the year. Those 2 surgically repaired knees are going to go out in 5...4...3...2...What's your definition of "when it's all said and done"? What week is that exactly? Because saying most Gore owners will be out at some point isn't really going out on a limb if you push that point back far enough. That's the nature of the contest. We started out with over 7000 Gore owners, they can't all make the final 500.Talk to me in a few weeks and see what happens. Gore gets Chargers, Bye, and Bears the next 3 weeks. Good freakin' luck getting production out of him then. That percentage is going to plummet drastically and when it's all said and done, most Gore owners will be out.pantagrapher said:Disco Stu said:Update: Gore now up to 72.9%.And the % goes up again to 69.6%. Good call again, butcher boy. With Parker on bye and nothing from Dunn or Chet Taylor I actually used Gore's lousy 10 points and still finished in the top 600 overall. Try not to be too bitter over passing on him.So you were wrong before and decided to be wrong a second time?I said it before, but I'll say it again, most Gore owners, if they weren't ousted last week are in for some hurt. Besides the Raiders, the 49er schedule the next few weeks is brutal.![]()
The percentage of Gore owners has actually been rising as you've been predicting doomsday...
Originally it was at 60.6%
After week 2 it was up to 65.4%
After week 3 it was up to 69.2%
Gore was only $10, so he's probably the RB4 on most teams. If he does well, it puts the 30% of people who don't have him in danger. If he doesn't do well, it only hurts the guys who are thin at RB.![]()
Butcherboy gets
again.
And what's your definition of "plummet drastically"? It's reasonable to expect the percentage we've been tracking to drop some over the next few weeks, but I'd be willing to bet anything that it will still be over 50% after week 8.
Remember Derrick Loville, Niner fans....?