Just saw this -- you may be right, abrecher. This approach gave such nice intuitive results for the 2 time periods (Weeks 1-7 and Weeks 8-12), I’d be disappointed if the formulas didn’t work out – but they may not.I don't think so. CDR(12) takes into account all twelve weeks, not just the 12th week. You'd need a new stat to calculate the change in CDR from week to week.Question - Are the factors multiplicative? For example, does CDR(1-to-12) = CDR(1-to-7) * CDR (7-to-12)? (I've been assuming they are.)
OK, math problem for the numbers guys. How about this?***************From before:As noted by Drinen, one measure of the importance of a player in the contest results is the %Live which is the percentage of entries having a specified player who are still alive as of a given week.Another measure is the degree of concentration (or dilution) of rosters having that player (as of a given week). A “Concentration/Dilution Ratio” (CDR) can be calculated as:CDR(i) = [np(i)/n(i)] / [NP/N]Where:n(i) = total number of live rosters in week inp(i) = number of live rosters in week i having a certain playerN = starting total number of rostersNP = starting number of rosters having a certain player************Now redefine variables as follows:CDR(i,j,k) = [np(j,k)/n(j)] / [np(i,k)/n(i)] = CDR ratio, for player k, starting at the end of Week i and finishing at the end of Week j (after the cut) = the degree of concentration (if CDR > 1.0) or dilution (if CDR < 1.0), between Weeks i and j, for live rosters containing player k (at the beginning and end of the period)n(i) = total number of live rosters surviving to the end of week i (after the cut)np(i,k) = number of live rosters surviving to the end of week i having a certain player (k)n(0) = N = starting total number of rostersnp(0,k) = NP = starting number of rosters having a certain player (k)With this formulation, if the factors are multiplicative, then:CDR(0,12,k) = CDR(0,1,k) * CDR(1,2,k) * .... * CDR(10,11,k) * CDR(11,12,k)And more generally,CDR(i,j+m,k) = CDR(i,j,k) * CDR(j,j+m,k) [which I think is what I’d been assuming]For example, consider CDR(0,12,k) as:CDR(0,7,k) * CDR(7,12,k) = {[np(7,k)/n(7)] / [np(0,k)/n(0)]} * {[np(12,k)/n(12)] / [np(7,k)/n(7)]} = [np(12,k)/n(12)] / [np(0,k)/n(0)] = CDR(0,12,k)Does this look OK now (with the factors being multiplicative)? Or is there a flaw in the reasoning?As of the end of Week 7, QB McNabb, RB Kevin Jones, WR Roy Williams, TE LJ Smith, and Minnesota DST had the highest CDR ratios by far and presumably were the biggest contributors to their owners surviving through the 1st 7 weeks of the contest.But things changed substantially in Weeks 8 through 12. Roy Williams had a slight positive impact, but McNabb, Kevin Jones, and LJ Smith had a negative influence on survivorship.Obviously, Tomlinson had the biggest impact, by a large margin, for rosters surviving during Weeks 8 to 12. At the end of Week 7, LT2 was on 432 (10.8%) of the 4,000 rosters that were still alive. At the end of Week 12, about 188 (37.5%) of the final 500 rosters had LT2. Almost 50% of rosters with LT2 survived from Week 7 to Week 12, whereas all live rosters dropped from 4,000 to 500. Of all possible factors, the strongest factor for surviving from Week 7 to Week 12 was having LT2. However, more than 50% of rosters having LT2 in Week 7 did not survive to Week 12, and 62.5% of surviving rosters did not have LT2.From Weeks 1 to 7, the strongest roster would have contained:QB - McNabb, Kitna, VickRB – K. Jones, Parker, GoreWR – R. Williams, TJ Housh, L. EvansTE – LJ SmithDST - MinnesotaFrom Weeks 8 to 12, the strongest rosters included:QB – Palmer, Vick, LosmanRB – Tomlinson, Parker, GoreWR – Ch. Johnson, Glenn, WayneTE – WatsonDST - Miami
The factors *are* multiplicative. CDR is just a ratio, (a/b). Multiplying CDRs from successive weeks a-to-b, b-to-c, and c-to-d you get (a/b)*(b/c)*(c/d) where the b's and c's cancel out (fractions people, fractions!), ending up with (a/d). (where 'a' is implied to be [np(a,k)/n(a)].)Charley's post, quoted below, which goes in to more detail, is correct.Also Charley or Doug Drinen -- it would be fun to post a page with script that allows users to select a player, a start week, and an end week to see for themselves how players helped or hurt them in terms of CDR. I can write the script if you like -- I'm sure you could too of course, but I can imagine how busy you are -- but I would need the raw data too to implement it.Question - Are the factors multiplicative? For example, does CDR(1-to-12) = CDR(1-to-7) * CDR (7-to-12)?
OK, math problem for the numbers guys. How about this?***************From before:As noted by Drinen, one measure of the importance of a player in the contest results is the %Live which is the percentage of entries having a specified player who are still alive as of a given week.Another measure is the degree of concentration (or dilution) of rosters having that player (as of a given week). A “Concentration/Dilution Ratio” (CDR) can be calculated as:CDR(i) = [np(i)/n(i)] / [NP/N]Where:n(i) = total number of live rosters in week inp(i) = number of live rosters in week i having a certain playerN = starting total number of rostersNP = starting number of rosters having a certain player************Now redefine variables as follows:CDR(i,j,k) = [np(j,k)/n(j)] / [np(i,k)/n(i)] = CDR ratio, for player k, starting at the end of Week i and finishing at the end of Week j (after the cut) = the degree of concentration (if CDR > 1.0) or dilution (if CDR < 1.0), between Weeks i and j, for live rosters containing player k (at the beginning and end of the period)n(i) = total number of live rosters surviving to the end of week i (after the cut)np(i,k) = number of live rosters surviving to the end of week i having a certain player (k)n(0) = N = starting total number of rostersnp(0,k) = NP = starting number of rosters having a certain player (k)With this formulation, if the factors are multiplicative, then:CDR(0,12,k) = CDR(0,1,k) * CDR(1,2,k) * .... * CDR(10,11,k) * CDR(11,12,k)And more generally,CDR(i,j+m,k) = CDR(i,j,k) * CDR(j,j+m,k) [which I think is what I’d been assuming]For example, consider CDR(0,12,k) as:CDR(0,7,k) * CDR(7,12,k) = {[np(7,k)/n(7)] / [np(0,k)/n(0)]} * {[np(12,k)/n(12)] / [np(7,k)/n(7)]} = [np(12,k)/n(12)] / [np(0,k)/n(0)] = CDR(0,12,k)Does this look OK now (with the factors being multiplicative)? Or is there a flaw in the reasoning?
Funny my second best week was week 3 with 174 points. That was the week I was without LJ because KC was on a bye.I had a 167.76 average the last 3 weeks.Since the weeks 3-9 required depth to keep making the cut due to bye weeks, what have folks average since week 10 without the byes. I understand that it is only a three week period, but for the most part your entire lineup was available.I averaged 146 based on all 12 weeks and 177.8 the last three.Thanks,
As I posted...I had a 132.97 average for the season....but the last 3 weeks averaged a much more respectable 168.40...that has me feeling a little bit better about my chances...Funny my second best week was week 3 with 174 points. That was the week I was without LJ because KC was on a bye.I had a 167.76 average the last 3 weeks.Since the weeks 3-9 required depth to keep making the cut due to bye weeks, what have folks average since week 10 without the byes. I understand that it is only a three week period, but for the most part your entire lineup was available.I averaged 146 based on all 12 weeks and 177.8 the last three.Thanks,
Nope. Read it again: it's not a/b * b/c * c/d , it's a/x * b/x * c/x, which doesn't give any useful number. (x = NP/N)The factors *are* multiplicative. CDR is just a ratio, (a/b). Multiplying CDRs from successive weeks a-to-b, b-to-c, and c-to-d you get (a/b)*(b/c)*(c/d) where the b's and c's cancel out (fractions people, fractions!), ending up with (a/d). (where 'a' is implied to be [np(a,k)/n(a)].)Question - Are the factors multiplicative? For example, does CDR(1-to-12) = CDR(1-to-7) * CDR (7-to-12)?
171 the last three....... 148..2 for the first overall 12 weeks.Since the weeks 3-9 required depth to keep making the cut due to bye weeks, what have folks average since week 10 without the byes. I understand that it is only a three week period, but for the most part your entire lineup was available.I averaged 146 based on all 12 weeks and 177.8 the last three.Thanks,
Don't want to beat a dead horse --But check the stuff above -- the denominator was changed to be flexible and correspond to a user-designated "start week" (rather than always being Week 1 and NP/N).Not sure, but I think this may be the same as (or equivalent to) what you're suggesting?ps I haven't looked at Charley's revisions, but I think it would be a lot easier if you defined a Weekly Concentration/Dilution Rate as:WCDR(i) = CDR(i)/CDR(i-1)This should give you the multiplicative figure you're looking for.
Thanks much for verifying. Seems like abrecher isn't convinced, yet.Also, when I computed the CDR(7,12,k)'s and compared them to the CDR(7,11,k)'s from the week before, I noticed that multi-week CDRs seemed to be very sensitive to the results for the final week of the multi-week period. Not sure exactly why that happens, or if I just noticed a couple random changes for players that had the highest CDR's?The factors *are* multiplicative.Question - Are the factors multiplicative? For example, does CDR(1-to-12) = CDR(1-to-7) * CDR (7-to-12)?
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Sadly, I think you may be on to something. and I'd also say your odds to win are inversely proportional to the number of posts you have, I therefore am the longshot! And by my tally sheet, it's pretty safe to say I my have about the lowest liklihood of all of us to win. Back at home now tonight, I'll finally be able to post my findings for the final group. After the kids are in bed I'll get things posted...I'm calling it now: the eventual winner of this contest has never posted in this thread.
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Stauffer 1632.0272 Jeff Farmer 1632.0273 Layne Hanson 1631.9274 duane godfrey 1630.7275 Scott Intner 1630.5276 Orestes Albo 1629.9277 greg herrick 1629.5278 Christopher Zarozinski 1629.4279 Kevin Stunder 1629.4280 Jeff Robinson 1629.1281 Craig Booker 1628.3282 Ryan Steckloff 1627.9283 Joe Canada 1627.8284 Kyle Barger 1627.3285 Dennis Tarver 1625.7286 Aaron Walters 1625.5287 Jacob Hobbs 1625.3288 Michael Chilson 1624.7289 Mike Kuphal 1624.7290 Scott Martin 1624.3291 Andrew Stephenson 1624.0292 Mark Pitino 1622.7293 Brian Satterley 1622.7294 William Adam 1622.3295 Larry Cedar 1622.2296 Mark Pontarelli 1622.0297 Patrick Medina 1621.8298 Michael Dailey 1621.8299 Jerald R Gilbert 1621.7300 chris kacalski 1621.3301 Don Sherman 1620.9302 Trey Joseph 1620.0303 Chad Norberg 1619.8304 Gordon Holly 1619.8305 Paul Maile 1619.7306 Michael Siefert 1619.2307 Scott Gallimore 1619.1308 Ken Marshall 1618.9309 Brent Stewart 1618.5310 Chuck Clark 1618.5311 Mark Ward 1618.2312 Kevin Kluz 1617.8313 Kevin Laughlin 1616.9314 Charles Wrightson 1616.5315 Ben McNeal 1616.2316 Brian Thies 1616.1317 Charles Rackley 1616.0318 Peter Davies 1615.3319 John Evans 1615.2320 William Lingrell 1615.2321 george lenzner 1614.9322 Michael Purucker 1614.7323 Nicole Campbell 1614.5324 Jerry Cagle 1613.9325 Steve Urevick 1613.8326 Craig Brekke 1613.6327 James Petrick 1613.4328 Keith Emery 1613.3329 John Terry 1613.2330 Shea Muller 1612.4331 Gordon Mobley 1612.4332 Christopher Scarbro 1611.3333 Marc Dinerman 1611.0334 George Richman 1610.5335 David Pietrulewicz 1610.4336 brian innes 1610.3337 Derek Schwenk 1609.7338 Michael Deem 1609.3339 Lawerence Jacobson 1609.2340 Gary Jennison 1609.1341 James Wagoner 1608.5342 David Youngs 1608.5343 Marc Yudkin 1608.5344 Troy Palenske 1607.8345 Scott McManus 1607.6346 Rick Hawes 1607.5347 alex knott 1607.5348 David Young 1607.4349 kevin kinigstein 1607.2350 Jason Betz 1607.1351 Wayne Koller 1607.1352 bob gallagher 1606.7353 Jay Bleeker 1606.5354 Shannon Dins 1606.4355 Chuck Buckner 1606.2356 Steve Foster 1605.5357 Eric Colby 1605.3358 Steve Maier 1605.1359 Melissa Williams 1604.6360 Richard Hodshire 1604.4361 Matt Fay 1604.4362 Kevin Louis 1604.3363 Phillip Nicholas 1603.7364 Bob Henderson 1602.9365 Steve Ritter 1602.7366 dave Kuplic 1602.7367 Jeremy LeCarpentier 1602.6368 Darrell Vincent 1602.5369 Heather Dotson 1602.3370 Kevin C Wilson 1601.8371 Carl Jung 1600.5372 Terry Maul 1599.9373 Doug Helton 1599.9374 Anthony Mankus 1599.8375 Scott Aikens 1599.3376 Mark Byrd 1599.3377 Todd Saville 1599.2378 Michael Kreiter 1598.9379 Timothy Kirby 1598.9380 Paul Leyva 1598.9381 Michael Grant 1598.7382 Mike Ford 1598.7383 Lucas Tate 1598.1384 Liam Dayan 1597.9385 Matt Heinz 1597.7386 Chris Aquino 1597.6387 Martin Lincoln 1597.6388 Albert Meng 1597.3389 Jayson Liss 1597.1390 Jason Shear 1597.0391 Mark Gomes 1596.9392 Justin Troth 1596.8393 Mark Alan Bennett 1596.4394 Michael Brenneman 1596.4395 Randal P Richardson 1596.1396 Chris Brady 1595.4397 Thomas Shugrue 1594.8398 William Conger 1593.7399 Brockman Greg 1593.5400 Jeff Brownridge 1592.7401 Randy Seys 1592.7402 gregg christian 1592.4403 Roger Jester 1592.3404 Timothy Dowling 1592.0405 Kevin Callinan 1591.2406 Jeffrey Griffith 1591.1407 Scott Cheek 1591.1408 Scott MacDonald 1590.6409 Peter Bosader 1589.5410 John Sigman 1589.1411 Robert Sterlacci 1589.1412 Mark Walker 1588.5413 James Braim 1588.0414 Trevor Thompson 1587.9415 Chris Thoman 1587.3416 Joshua Eaton 1587.1417 Chris Lee 1586.4418 Terry Etter 1586.0419 Robert Wallace 1585.8420 Jim McVicar 1585.2421 Clint Eisenhower 1585.1422 Todd Hover 1585.0423 Greg Barnett 1584.5424 eric eichenlaub 1584.1425 Chris Cowan 1583.9426 Jason Baird 1583.1427 Justin DeSouto 1582.6428 Michael Dawson 1582.0429 Jason Strong 1580.6430 Mike Lasko 1579.7431 Manfred Groitl 1579.5432 JEFF STEINBACH 1578.9433 James Alcide 1578.6434 Eric Maison 1578.6435 Matt Hirst 1578.5436 Terry Nixon 1577.9437 Stephen Brader 1577.6438 David Lihosit 1576.0439 harley helton jr 1575.2440 Frank Fraas 1575.1441 Patrick Morrissey 1574.9442 Markus Gidlund 1574.9443 Wes Rickards 1574.6444 Ryan Leitermann 1574.4445 Danny Hopkins 1573.8446 Shawn Bender 1572.8447 Paul Beeson 1572.7448 Art Khaliq 1572.6449 Patrick Nemeth 1571.5450 Charles Paik 1571.4451 Jeff Scott 1570.7452 craig j pattillo 1569.4453 Brody Ertel 1568.9454 Frank Maus 1568.5455 David Lynch 1568.1456 David Rush 1567.5457 Joseph Caruthers 1567.0458 Craig Houchens 1564.9459 Antonio Babauta 1563.2460 Tom Garrihy 1562.6461 Gary Schachter 1562.3462 Neeraj Ahuja 1562.1463 David Gentile 1561.7464 James Tuttle 1560.8465 PETER G ELTGROTH 1559.9466 Jeff Adler 1559.9467 Ken LaCosse 1559.6468 James Young 1557.8469 Dan Stoegbauer 1557.0470 Rick Russell 1556.2471 Roy Kim 1555.9472 Brian Martich 1555.9473 Scott Chaney 1555.3474 Edmund Lowney 1555.1475 Nicholas Breit 1554.7476 Kevin Bonner 1553.1477 Joseph Hausberger 1552.9478 Greg Finney 1551.9479 Clifford Cummins 1551.5480 Phillip Senderowitz 1551.5481 Anthony Cieri 1550.5482 Steven Bevacqua 1550.3483 Rob Perkins 1549.7484 Darryl Cobb 1549.3485 Paula Lacy 1548.4486 Dallas Gowers 1546.8487 Adam Calabrese 1546.1488 Lewis Watson 1544.6489 RENEE WOOTON 1544.5490 louis toffolo 1543.6491 Chip Portser 1542.9492 Joshua Hicks 1538.5493 Jeff Faath 1532.3494 matthew klein 1531.3495 George Hohman 1531.0496 Mike Dahlem 1530.1497 Brad Fishman 1528.2498 Terry Trimble 1526.2499 Ron Weimer 1524.2500 Mark Eakins 1514.7501 Steve Lourim 1475.4
don't feel bad, I'm over 175 off the top dog myself...As expected, as a frequent poster, I'm near the bottom of that list![]()
Week 1 total results were not posted on the site as a list. Week 1 only listed the top 100 and the scores of every 100 places thereafter. I'm NOT going to individually click through everyone's team just to get their week 1 total. I may still do that to gather the rosters since that has some value, but we have enough other historical data to ignore the week 1 data without too much worry.ctriopelle, what's the reason for not including the week 1 results...thanks.....
Been lurking the last couple weeks and disagree with aardball. I'm near the top 1/3 and this contest has been more interesting the my two $$ leagues lately; much of that attributable to ctriopelle's fine work in this thread...wanted to get my kudos in early.Cheers...Sadly, I think you may be on to something. and I'd also say your odds to win are inversely proportional to the number of posts you have, I therefore am the longshot! And by my tally sheet, it's pretty safe to say I my have about the lowest liklihood of all of us to win. Back at home now tonight, I'll finally be able to post my findings for the final group. After the kids are in bed I'll get things posted...I'm calling it now: the eventual winner of this contest has never posted in this thread.

Thanks ct, that makes all the sense in the world to me, I hadn't realized the 1st Wk's results not being posted...keep all that good input coming.....Week 1 total results were not posted on the site as a list. Week 1 only listed the top 100 and the scores of every 100 places thereafter. I'm NOT going to individually click through everyone's team just to get their week 1 total. I may still do that to gather the rosters since that has some value, but we have enough other historical data to ignore the week 1 data without too much worry.ctriopelle, what's the reason for not including the week 1 results...thanks.....
9th overall? Damn, I'm the man.All 501 surviving teams, week 2-12 totals...
Code:1 Steven Nelson 1799.52 Earl Shaw 1784.93 Kenneth Stockwell 1781.84 Doug Greaves 1780.35 Travis Shaw 1776.56 Mike Pontius1 1775.87 edward ramsey 1774.88 Randy HON 1774.49 Thomas Michael 1772.610 Michael Lynch 1766.811 Mark Wallace 1766.012 Dave Huffman 1761.113 Eric Karlovic 1757.514 Brian Seifert 1755.915 Christopher Aime 1754.916 todd anderson 1751.617 Michael Lee 1749.818 David Malone 1744.819 Jeremy Ray 1742.420 Michael Cobb 1739.621 Bart Glenn 1739.022 Kimberly Regester 1738.823 Raymond Newberry 1737.024 Jonathan Marcus 1736.025 marc chandgie 1735.826 Van Harrell 1733.627 robert fossey 1733.628 Corey Cloutier 1731.629 Andrew Rackowski 1731.130 Ralph Romano 1730.931 Stephan Chesley 1730.732 Bob Cimini 1728.733 Rodney Gabriel 1726.634 Rich Smith 1725.635 jason marr 1725.336 Jeff Reddick 1724.837 Michael Rudland 1723.338 David Torreano 1723.239 Julie Sheere 1722.040 Vincent Salvi 1721.341 Jeff Rivard 1721.342 Justin Koneck 1721.143 Prahalad Arasu 1719.644 Joseph Warner 1718.945 Brent Garner 1718.146 Stephen Kirk 1717.747 Brendan Segraves 1716.448 Kurt Thompson 1715.149 Ryan Hatton 1714.750 Josh Vaisman 1713.951 Randall Cote 1713.252 Bill Roy 1712.653 Brad Conger 1712.054 Thomas Slaski 1711.455 Eric Anderson 1711.256 Bradley Veech 1710.957 Justin Ackerman 1710.358 Jacob Atz 1709.559 Barrett Calvert 1709.360 Lorne Smith 1708.261 Adam Couvillion 1707.162 Jeffrey Quirion 1705.663 Brad Johnson 1705.464 Jeffrey Cremean 1704.365 Ronald Callaway 1704.266 Michael Dahms 1703.467 Kunal Choksi 1702.668 Grant Logan 1702.169 marcel giordano 1701.070 James Sansone 1700.371 Michael Mohr 1700.072 Christopher Plum 1699.173 Nathan Young 1699.074 Rolando Perez 1698.675 John Davies 1698.176 Jeff Weiner 1697.477 Dave Perrin 1697.378 steve hurst 1697.279 Richard Walsh 1697.280 Freddy Huynh 1696.581 Terry Kennedy 1696.482 Rosemary Gould 1696.283 tom hurley 1696.184 James Hapner 1696.085 James Bobbett 1695.686 Ira Yourman 1695.687 Spencer Hermanson 1694.488 Michael Kendrick 1694.389 James Pike 1693.590 Peter Styckiewicz 1692.991 Stuart Frew 1691.892 Erik Jernigan 1691.493 Ron Lalime 1691.194 Steve Sokolowski 1691.095 Todd Kureczka 1690.796 Constantine Gerousis 1690.397 Scott Banta 1689.198 david harris 1688.999 Keith Waldron 1688.6100 Mindy Gitter 1688.3101 Greg Landers 1687.6102 Tom Schneider 1687.0103 Aaron Callahan 1686.2104 Troy Boehm 1684.2105 Rin Key 1684.2106 Jason Palm 1684.0107 Jim Louderback 1683.9108 Bob Dowling 1683.8109 Gregg Zwickel 1683.7110 Douglas Lemon 1682.9111 Chris Runions 1681.6112 Steve Roey 1681.4113 wesley booth 1680.9114 Jeffrey Conrick 1680.5115 Cary Teodori 1679.0116 Joe Lorraine 1678.9117 Adam Warshowsky 1678.6118 daniel sipiora 1678.0119 Richard Winters 1677.5120 Tim Watley 1677.3121 Donald Bell 1677.2122 Blake Meyer 1676.7123 Kyle Dobbins 1676.3124 john trudeau 1676.1125 Randy Rogers 1675.8126 Tony Cruse 1675.0127 Michael Feszczyszyn 1674.7128 Mike Rowell 1674.7129 Marc Hanseter 1674.7130 Ken Syx 1674.5131 Thomas Jolitz 1674.4132 Braxton Kieft 1673.5133 Frederick Clegg 1672.5134 Lyle Reger 1672.2135 Allen Petit 1672.1136 Michael Marotta 1671.8137 john k holman 1671.6138 Alex Pecora 1671.3139 Dan Kamin 1671.1140 Chris Barnett 1670.5141 Josh Sorrell 1670.5142 Timothy Bell 1670.4143 Rob Kessinger 1670.2144 Joseph Guasconi 1670.1145 Terence Smith 1670.0146 Drew Szczerba 1669.2147 Randy Campbell 1669.1148 Daniel Barrett 1668.8149 Greg Reckling 1668.4150 Jamie McCormick 1668.2151 Michael Colonello 1667.4152 Scott Bard 1667.4153 Harold Kennedy 1666.2154 Denise Pollak 1666.1155 Brian Falkner 1665.8156 Geoffrey E Davis 1665.1157 Katy Nagel 1664.9158 Ryan Krause 1664.7159 Bruce Nunes 1664.4160 Brian Forster 1664.1161 Mike Liddycoat 1664.0162 Richard Lockwood 1663.8163 Steven Green 1663.8164 Seth Hoffman 1663.3165 Alan Ware 1663.3166 David Sevigny 1663.2167 T Wuellner 1662.9168 David Kaplansky 1662.8169 Holmes Jay 1662.6170 Ryan Kirby 1662.4171 Raymond Majewski 1662.1172 Brian Sedor 1661.9173 David Clark 1661.5174 Michael Brhely 1661.4175 MIKE POORMAN 1661.2176 cecil clemente 1660.5177 Andy DiRuzza 1660.3178 Jeff Peeters 1660.1179 Chris Weekly 1659.9180 David Sherwood 1659.3181 Steven Epler 1659.1182 Joseph Georges 1658.9183 Frank Barone 1658.9184 troy ohmes 1658.0185 Mark Turnquist 1657.7186 Burt Lehmann 1657.4187 Albert Conner 1657.3188 Steve Springman 1657.3189 ryan colwin 1657.2190 Rob Fitzpatrick 1657.1191 Michael Veber 1657.1192 B. Portner 1656.9193 Rick Duncan 1655.7194 Dennis Breunig 1654.7195 Pamela Miller 1654.5196 Scott Wentsel 1654.3197 Brandon Eaton 1653.5198 Robert DeLorenzo 1653.4199 Mark Baker 1653.3200 James Bruen 1652.9201 David Short 1652.3202 Sean Grove 1652.1203 Jeffrey Cook 1651.6204 Richard Zapata 1651.4205 James Sunderland 1650.6206 Donald Bowen 1650.5207 Bob Storinger 1649.7208 John Thompson 1649.6209 Rob Cohen 1649.1210 Scott Klein 1649.0211 Todd Nadler 1648.9212 Jarrett Liddicoat 1648.8213 barton gaskill 1648.4214 Brian Styer 1648.0215 Scott Sudderth 1647.8216 bruce vitz 1647.6217 David Veneski 1647.6218 Brian Davies 1647.4219 Ron Cohen 1647.0220 Gordon Z Novod 1647.0221 wayne bunce 1646.3222 Ralph Viviano 1645.8223 Ken Winters 1644.6224 matt mcgregor 1643.8225 Jonathan Ingellis 1643.6226 Jon Abe 1643.5227 Craig Fischer 1643.2228 Tom McKinnon 1643.2229 Dashan Hayhurst 1643.2230 Troy Fox 1643.0231 John Deagan 1642.8232 Steve Florczyk 1642.2233 Anthony Nieto 1642.0234 Tom Frederick 1641.9235 David Corsi 1641.9236 Rich Braasch 1641.6237 Mark Recker 1641.5238 Rodney Batson 1641.4239 Randall Morrison 1641.2240 jim marshall 1641.1241 Dana Billig 1641.0242 Jeffrey Donnell 1641.0243 Brian Patty 1640.9244 gregory penney 1640.8245 Robert McCarthy 1640.7246 Grange Coffin 1640.6247 Brett Clay 1640.0248 Donald McElhinney 1640.0249 Michael Journey 1639.9250 Wesley Bryant 1639.9251 Bryan Shaw 1639.2252 Joseph Reisinger 1639.0253 William Grassel 1638.3254 Chris Klawuhn 1637.4255 Sam Natale 1637.0256 Justin Korona 1636.5257 Katherine Iserman 1636.4258 Jim Kamps 1636.3259 Kevin Cope 1636.3260 Todd Vanden Berg 1636.1261 Stephen Jupinka 1635.6262 Doug Johnston 1635.2263 Steven Frankino 1635.2264 James Aron 1635.1265 Patrick Falgier 1634.9266 Chris Just 1634.2267 Seth Levin 1634.1268 Chris Beam 1633.2269 joey haar 1632.4270 Paul Post 1632.2271 E. Stauffer 1632.0272 Jeff Farmer 1632.0273 Layne Hanson 1631.9274 duane godfrey 1630.7275 Scott Intner 1630.5276 Orestes Albo 1629.9277 greg herrick 1629.5278 Christopher Zarozinski 1629.4279 Kevin Stunder 1629.4280 Jeff Robinson 1629.1281 Craig Booker 1628.3282 Ryan Steckloff 1627.9283 Joe Canada 1627.8284 Kyle Barger 1627.3285 Dennis Tarver 1625.7286 Aaron Walters 1625.5287 Jacob Hobbs 1625.3288 Michael Chilson 1624.7289 Mike Kuphal 1624.7290 Scott Martin 1624.3291 Andrew Stephenson 1624.0292 Mark Pitino 1622.7293 Brian Satterley 1622.7294 William Adam 1622.3295 Larry Cedar 1622.2296 Mark Pontarelli 1622.0297 Patrick Medina 1621.8298 Michael Dailey 1621.8299 Jerald R Gilbert 1621.7300 chris kacalski 1621.3301 Don Sherman 1620.9302 Trey Joseph 1620.0303 Chad Norberg 1619.8304 Gordon Holly 1619.8305 Paul Maile 1619.7306 Michael Siefert 1619.2307 Scott Gallimore 1619.1308 Ken Marshall 1618.9309 Brent Stewart 1618.5310 Chuck Clark 1618.5311 Mark Ward 1618.2312 Kevin Kluz 1617.8313 Kevin Laughlin 1616.9314 Charles Wrightson 1616.5315 Ben McNeal 1616.2316 Brian Thies 1616.1317 Charles Rackley 1616.0318 Peter Davies 1615.3319 John Evans 1615.2320 William Lingrell 1615.2321 george lenzner 1614.9322 Michael Purucker 1614.7323 Nicole Campbell 1614.5324 Jerry Cagle 1613.9325 Steve Urevick 1613.8326 Craig Brekke 1613.6327 James Petrick 1613.4328 Keith Emery 1613.3329 John Terry 1613.2330 Shea Muller 1612.4331 Gordon Mobley 1612.4332 Christopher Scarbro 1611.3333 Marc Dinerman 1611.0334 George Richman 1610.5335 David Pietrulewicz 1610.4336 brian innes 1610.3337 Derek Schwenk 1609.7338 Michael Deem 1609.3339 Lawerence Jacobson 1609.2340 Gary Jennison 1609.1341 James Wagoner 1608.5342 David Youngs 1608.5343 Marc Yudkin 1608.5344 Troy Palenske 1607.8345 Scott McManus 1607.6346 Rick Hawes 1607.5347 alex knott 1607.5348 David Young 1607.4349 kevin kinigstein 1607.2350 Jason Betz 1607.1351 Wayne Koller 1607.1352 bob gallagher 1606.7353 Jay Bleeker 1606.5354 Shannon Dins 1606.4355 Chuck Buckner 1606.2356 Steve Foster 1605.5357 Eric Colby 1605.3358 Steve Maier 1605.1359 Melissa Williams 1604.6360 Richard Hodshire 1604.4361 Matt Fay 1604.4362 Kevin Louis 1604.3363 Phillip Nicholas 1603.7364 Bob Henderson 1602.9365 Steve Ritter 1602.7366 dave Kuplic 1602.7367 Jeremy LeCarpentier 1602.6368 Darrell Vincent 1602.5369 Heather Dotson 1602.3370 Kevin C Wilson 1601.8371 Carl Jung 1600.5372 Terry Maul 1599.9373 Doug Helton 1599.9374 Anthony Mankus 1599.8375 Scott Aikens 1599.3376 Mark Byrd 1599.3377 Todd Saville 1599.2378 Michael Kreiter 1598.9379 Timothy Kirby 1598.9380 Paul Leyva 1598.9381 Michael Grant 1598.7382 Mike Ford 1598.7383 Lucas Tate 1598.1384 Liam Dayan 1597.9385 Matt Heinz 1597.7386 Chris Aquino 1597.6387 Martin Lincoln 1597.6388 Albert Meng 1597.3389 Jayson Liss 1597.1390 Jason Shear 1597.0391 Mark Gomes 1596.9392 Justin Troth 1596.8393 Mark Alan Bennett 1596.4394 Michael Brenneman 1596.4395 Randal P Richardson 1596.1396 Chris Brady 1595.4397 Thomas Shugrue 1594.8398 William Conger 1593.7399 Brockman Greg 1593.5400 Jeff Brownridge 1592.7401 Randy Seys 1592.7402 gregg christian 1592.4403 Roger Jester 1592.3404 Timothy Dowling 1592.0405 Kevin Callinan 1591.2406 Jeffrey Griffith 1591.1407 Scott Cheek 1591.1408 Scott MacDonald 1590.6409 Peter Bosader 1589.5410 John Sigman 1589.1411 Robert Sterlacci 1589.1412 Mark Walker 1588.5413 James Braim 1588.0414 Trevor Thompson 1587.9415 Chris Thoman 1587.3416 Joshua Eaton 1587.1417 Chris Lee 1586.4418 Terry Etter 1586.0419 Robert Wallace 1585.8420 Jim McVicar 1585.2421 Clint Eisenhower 1585.1422 Todd Hover 1585.0423 Greg Barnett 1584.5424 eric eichenlaub 1584.1425 Chris Cowan 1583.9426 Jason Baird 1583.1427 Justin DeSouto 1582.6428 Michael Dawson 1582.0429 Jason Strong 1580.6430 Mike Lasko 1579.7431 Manfred Groitl 1579.5432 JEFF STEINBACH 1578.9433 James Alcide 1578.6434 Eric Maison 1578.6435 Matt Hirst 1578.5436 Terry Nixon 1577.9437 Stephen Brader 1577.6438 David Lihosit 1576.0439 harley helton jr 1575.2440 Frank Fraas 1575.1441 Patrick Morrissey 1574.9442 Markus Gidlund 1574.9443 Wes Rickards 1574.6444 Ryan Leitermann 1574.4445 Danny Hopkins 1573.8446 Shawn Bender 1572.8447 Paul Beeson 1572.7448 Art Khaliq 1572.6449 Patrick Nemeth 1571.5450 Charles Paik 1571.4451 Jeff Scott 1570.7452 craig j pattillo 1569.4453 Brody Ertel 1568.9454 Frank Maus 1568.5455 David Lynch 1568.1456 David Rush 1567.5457 Joseph Caruthers 1567.0458 Craig Houchens 1564.9459 Antonio Babauta 1563.2460 Tom Garrihy 1562.6461 Gary Schachter 1562.3462 Neeraj Ahuja 1562.1463 David Gentile 1561.7464 James Tuttle 1560.8465 PETER G ELTGROTH 1559.9466 Jeff Adler 1559.9467 Ken LaCosse 1559.6468 James Young 1557.8469 Dan Stoegbauer 1557.0470 Rick Russell 1556.2471 Roy Kim 1555.9472 Brian Martich 1555.9473 Scott Chaney 1555.3474 Edmund Lowney 1555.1475 Nicholas Breit 1554.7476 Kevin Bonner 1553.1477 Joseph Hausberger 1552.9478 Greg Finney 1551.9479 Clifford Cummins 1551.5480 Phillip Senderowitz 1551.5481 Anthony Cieri 1550.5482 Steven Bevacqua 1550.3483 Rob Perkins 1549.7484 Darryl Cobb 1549.3485 Paula Lacy 1548.4486 Dallas Gowers 1546.8487 Adam Calabrese 1546.1488 Lewis Watson 1544.6489 RENEE WOOTON 1544.5490 louis toffolo 1543.6491 Chip Portser 1542.9492 Joshua Hicks 1538.5493 Jeff Faath 1532.3494 matthew klein 1531.3495 George Hohman 1531.0496 Mike Dahlem 1530.1497 Brad Fishman 1528.2498 Terry Trimble 1526.2499 Ron Weimer 1524.2500 Mark Eakins 1514.7501 Steve Lourim 1475.4
Excellent! that possible 0.2 points extra will help me CRUSH the competition!Slight Rule Tweak for the final 500 teams:Rule change for the final 500 teams (12/2): Scoring will be calculated to two decimal places (no rounding).--------------------------------We have enacted this because we believe it makes more sense to settle this on the field (vice tiebreakers). Our database rounding algorithm is also a bit unusual (consistent, but unusual). Therefore all scoring will now be to two decimals.

This will only affect Quarterback scoring, but I like it. This contest has been one of the coolest "leagues" in which I've ever participated. I have paid more attention to the results of this contest than I have done for my main Fantasy League (tied for 1st). To have personally scored among the top 2% of entrants is almost unfathomable. Worth the FBG subscription cost even before considering there's potential $$ attached to it.Slight Rule Tweak for the final 500 teams:
Rule change for the final 500 teams (12/2): Scoring will be calculated to two decimal places (no rounding).
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We have enacted this because we believe it makes more sense to settle this on the field (vice tiebreakers). Our database rounding algorithm is also a bit unusual (consistent, but unusual). Therefore all scoring will now be to two decimals.
Unfortunately Erron Kinney is not going to extend me that same courtesy......We've got BUSH!I like BUSH....and I finally get a relatively nice pickup score with Gates going big without Watson to cover him...Here's to hopefully having 4 strong consecutive weeks...