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There are 385 A Bradshaw owners left hoping his touches don't get reduce this week since he's not starting. I'm not one of them......

 
37.5 % chance of survival. An underdog once again. I'm the Danny Woodhead of the contest. I can't argue with it. I'm on borrowed time, but it's been fun.

 
This could be the week I exit.

Marshall probably out

Bradshaw back to #2

Spiller probably out

Only 1 TE this week and it is Gronkowski

I need Gronkowski to get me at least 10 points, and I need my Kickers and Defense by committees to each get me around 15 then I think my depth and core guys can do the rest. Pretty sad when you start relying on your Kickers and Defenses in FF, but I think with the cuts the next 2 weeks those positions will come more into play.

Here is my top lineup for week 12

Rivers

A. Foster

Bradshaw

Calvin

M. Williams

Branch

Flex - Garcon/Bess/Murphy/Tolbert/T.Jones

Gronkowski

Bironas (Succup/Janikowski)

49ers (Saints/Lions)

Good Luck to all this week!

 
Preliminary Week 12 sim. As is usual at this time of year, no one is safe. More than half the field is in the 40-60% range.

Updated power rankings
Ouch. Ranked 991 in the sim this week. If it is my week to go, this will still be the best I've ever done in a FBG contest, though I've been entering them since the original playoffs-only one. (My good buddy scored a top 10 finish that year and still uses his lifetime FBG subscription, although I don't think he's ever entered the contest again.)I've learned a lot this year while reading all the posts from you folks. So thanks and good luck!

 
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A few pages back, somebody decided that it's either you make the cut or you don't so it's always a 50% probablility. Since the sim puts me at 49.9% this week it looks like I have to agree.

On the bright side, becasue I'm under 50% I can use the "they don't respect us" card to motivate my team.

 
Only team left with:

Brady

Forte

Bradshaw

L.T

McFadden

Also have Foster (but who doesn't) and Tolbert to round out a pretty good run game.

Calvin + Marshall are my big dogs at WR (need Brandon back and producing soooooon)

Dez, Jacoby Jones, JL HIggins + Super Steve Johnson to round out a solid WR corps

Witten, Scheff + Hernandez

Bironas, Janikowski + Bryant

Lions, Chiefs + Niners

Pretty decent depth throughout other than QB where I lost Stafford..hope he comes back in week 14 :shock:

In hindsight I realize the importance of 3 QB's...oh how nice it would've been to have Vick instead of Dwayne Jarrett :wall:

Have used all my guys at least once except JL Higgins and Jarrett.

Need Brady to stay healthy for a shot :wolf:

192 in Power Rankings + 79.3% chance of moving on :loco:

 
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Drunken Cowboy said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Driver said:
It's certainly possible for an 18-player roster to win the contest in weeks 14-16. It's just that the odds are heavily against it.
In the sense that the odds are heavily against any individual team scoring the most points in weeks 14-16, sure. But I don't know that 18-man rosters are at a much bigger disadvantage in those weeks than a larger roster. They're clearly at a disadvantage in weeks 1-13, but the few that do make it to the finals probably have just as good a chance of winning as anyone else, give or take. The final 250 is basically a lottery - larger rosters have a few more tickets, but only one winning combo will rise to the top and it could be anyone. I don't believe those that say 18-man rosters have an advantage in the finals, but I also don't necessarily believe they have any kind of severe disadvantage.
I would guess that once you are in the final 250 nobody is worse than 1:500 to win and nobody is better than 1:150.
Agree to a certain extent, but would qualify it by broadening the odds to more like 1:800 and 1:80 while truncating the top and bottom 2% out of that range. There will be a handful of really strong teams and really weak teams that may even fall out of those odds' ranges.
 
roster size, teams remaining, original teams, % remaining, % surviving wk11

18 - 189 of 5416, 3.49%, 56.59%

19 - 106 or 1905, 5.56%, 56.99%

20 - 95 of 1338, 7.10%, 62.99%

21 - 76 of 961, 7.91%, 62.30%

22 - 79 of 799, 9.89%, 64.23%

23 - 85 of 615, 13.82%, 63.91%

24 - 68 of 491, 13.85%, 64.15%

25 - 76 of 402, 18.91%, 69.72%

26 - 50 of 308, 16.23%, 58.82%

27 - 47 of 233, 20.17%, 63.51%

28 - 35 of 180, 19.44%, 71.43%

29 - 27 of 142, 19.01%, 62.79%

30 - 73 of 271, 26.94%, 76.84%

Looks like the small rosters continued to take a beating, however the average sized rosters held their own vs. the larger rosters. For some reason the 30 man rosters are bucking all statistical trends.
FBG Staff Survival Rate: 26.09% (This week was brutal for them!!)Updated FBG Staff Standings:

1983.1 Jeff Tefertiller (Out Wk 10)1932.35 Jene Bramel1919.7 Matt Waldman1913.15 Keith Overton (Out Wk 11)1910.4 David Yudkin1903.6 Jen Maki (Out Wk 11)1902.55 Jeff Pasquino (Out Wk 2)1889.7 Jason Wood (out Wk 11)1871.9 Andy Hicks1855.6 Joe Bryant1850.55 Bruce Henderson (Out Wk 8)1844.75 Aaron Rudnicki (Out Wk 9)1796.75 David Dodds (Out Wk 10)1771.45 Anthony Borbely (Out Wk 11)1769 Bob Henry (Out Wk 4)1763.5 Sigmund Bloom1747.15 Larry Thomas (Out Wk 5)1745.75 Andrew Garda (Out Wk 11)1736 Jeff Haseley (Out Wk 10)1623.9 Mark Wimer (Out Wk 3)1603.95 Maurile Tremblay (Out Wk 5)1602.05 Will Grant (Out Wk 6)1505.85 Doug Drinen (Out Wk 2)
For FBG's staff, 6 of 23 teams have survived through week 11 (26.09%). Overall, 1,006 out of 13,061 teams remain (7.70%). For 18-player rosters, 3.49% remain. For 30-player rosters, 26.94% remain. Thus, teams with 30-player rosters have a slightly better survival rate than the teams of FBG's staff members. And both of these sub-groups have substantially higher survival rates than average (7.70%), while 18-player teams have significantly lower survival rates (3.49%) than average.Why are the survival rates for FBG's staff members and teams with 30-player rosters substantially higher than average? One reason is that these teams were obviously "much better constructed" than the average team with: (1) better allocation of salary $'s to selected positions, (2) better selection of both higher-priced and lower-priced players, (3) more attention to coverage of bye weeks, (4) much larger roster sizes than the average team, (5) better use of value-priced players with upside, etc. IMO, these factors are why the teams with 30-player rosters (and the teams of FBG staff) are "bucking all statistical trends."

Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Driver said:
It's certainly possible for an 18-player roster to win the contest in weeks 14-16. It's just that the odds are heavily against it.
In the sense that the odds are heavily against any individual team scoring the most points in weeks 14-16, sure. But I don't know that 18-man rosters are at a much bigger disadvantage in those weeks than a larger roster. They're clearly at a disadvantage in weeks 1-13, but the few that do make it to the finals probably have just as good a chance of winning as anyone else, give or take. The final 250 is basically a lottery - larger rosters have a few more tickets, but only one winning combo will rise to the top and it could be anyone. I don't believe those that say 18-man rosters have an advantage in the finals, but I also don't necessarily believe they have any kind of severe disadvantage.
My statement was that, while it's certainly possible, the odds are heavily against a team with an 18-player roster winning the contest. Even though 41.5% of the original 13,061 teams had 18-player rosters, teams with 18-player rosters will constitute less than one-sixth of the final 250 teams. Even if they had as good a chance as the average final-250 team (which I doubt), the odds are heavily against a team with an 18-player roster winning the contest. Similarly, even with their inherent advantages, the odds of winning the contest are even less for teams with a 30-player roster (because less than 35 of these teams will remain in the final 250). Looked at another way, the odds are high (significantly greater than 50%, but less than 75%) that the contest will be won by a team with a roster size from 19 to 29.
 
What 5 things do you need to happen for your team to have a shot at winning it all?

1) Need Gronkowski to become the #1 TE in NE (Scheffler to get back)

2) Need Tolbert to continue as the starting RB in SD

3) Need Bess to get back to his big games or get Marshall back ASAP

4) Need Rivers/Roethlisberger to continue to be a dynamite duo (avg 32.18 points a week at QB position)

5) Lots of luck and no more injuries.

 
My statement was that, while it's certainly possible, the odds are heavily against a team with an 18-player roster winning the contest. Even though 41.5% of the original 13,061 teams had 18-player rosters, teams with 18-player rosters will constitute less than one-sixth of the final 250 teams. Even if they had as good a chance as the average final-250 team (which I doubt), the odds are heavily against a team with an 18-player roster winning the contest. Similarly, even with their inherent advantages, the odds of winning the contest are even less for teams with a 30-player roster (because less than 35 of these teams will remain in the final 250). Looked at another way, the odds are high (significantly greater than 50%, but less than 75%) that the contest will be won by a team with a roster size from 19 to 29.
:confused: You're not really saying anything here. The odds of any particular roster size winning the contest are small. Here are some final-250 projections I did a few weeks ago, just for reference:
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Size	Alive18	  3419	  2420	  2321	  1922	  1823	  2524	  2025	  1926	  1627	  1428	  1229	  1030	  16Tot	250
I don't expect that it will work out exactly like this, of course, but let's just assume it's relatively close. You can arbitrarily say that there is a greater than 50% chance that the winner will have 19-29 players. You could also arbitrarily say that there is a greater than 50% chance that the winner will have 19-24 players, or 22-29 players, or an even number of players, and based on the above projection (assuming all else is equal) those are all true statements. Those statements don't really say anything meaningful, though.
 
What the hell, why don't I just average the two, and make that my ***Official*** Final 250 projections:
Size Predicted Current Pred Rate18 43 333 12.91%19 26 186 13.98%20 19 152 12.50%21 21 122 17.21%22 22 122 18.03%23 15 131 11.45%24 22 106 20.75%25 23 107 21.50%26 14 84 16.67%27 8 74 10.81%28 11 49 22.45%29 6 42 14.29%30 19 93 20.43%I have these as the 10 most likely teams to make it to the top 250:101754

110146

108757

100679

105076

102992

108047

100086

108122

102788

Sadly, I'm not one of these teams.

I have these teams as the least likely to get into the top 250

110433

101060

102398

102637

102684

104491

108362

109298

109801

111589

Thankfully, I'm not one of these teams either.
By my count, 5 of your top 10 teams out of 1600 were knocked out last week.

7 of what you considered to be the worst 10 teams out of 1600 are still alive.

I thought something was amiss when nearly half of your worst 10 were in the top half of the FBG power rankings.
 
By my count, 5 of your top 10 teams out of 1600 were knocked out last week.7 of what you considered to be the worst 10 teams out of 1600 are still alive.I thought something was amiss when nearly half of your worst 10 were in the top half of the FBG power rankings.
Let's see your predictions, Kreskin!
 
By my count, 5 of your top 10 teams out of 1600 were knocked out last week.7 of what you considered to be the worst 10 teams out of 1600 are still alive.I thought something was amiss when nearly half of your worst 10 were in the top half of the FBG power rankings.
Let's see your predictions, Kreskin!
The FBG predictions appear solid; I don't need to have a set of my own to be able to identify flaws in others.Perhaps he can take a closer look at his predictions and revise them, especially what he missed about the teams that FBG considered in the top half of the competition.
 
What 5 things do you need to happen for your team to have a shot at winning it all?
1.) I need LT to get a high ankle sprain.2.) I need Vick to decide he likes throwing to Celek.3.) I need Floyd to retain the X wr position for the Chargers.4.) I need Chris Johnson to be arrested with no bail.5.) I need Bradshaw to stop fumbling so he does not lose his job permanently.
 
There are 385 A Bradshaw owners left hoping his touches don't get reduce this week since he's not starting. I'm not one of them......
You're not hoping his touches don't get reduce?
Helps my cause of making the cut if A Bradshaw doesn't see the field..
The 3 Jacobs owners left must be happy.
Besides injuries, this is a good example of the type of thing that can tip the balance of power.Jacobs will help the few surviving teams that own him, but more significantly it hurts the good sized group of Bradshaw owners.Another example that may or may not comes to pass: I really wanted to take Orton this year, but didn't because I was afraid Tebow would start eating into his playing time as the Broncos fell out of the playoff hunt and everyone (coaches, fans) wanted to see Tebow in there.
 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Here's to hoping the day has more turkey than Turk for you :)

(except for you Turk - hope the day brings Turk some turkey :lmao: )

-QG

 
It will probably not go unnoticed that the r-o-s sim loves the small rosters. Legit, or flawed simulator?Definitely the latter to some extent. The primary issue with projecting forward past this week is that it's tough to take into account future injuries and situation changes. I have to believe that this particular failure to model reality will make stud-laden teams look better and deep teams look worse.

So take it for what it's worth: a fun way to get a very rough estimate of your team's chances, and to identify some of the strongest squads.

 
Good stuff Doug! :thumbup:

Will you be updating this each week with the power sims? I would be curious how much movement we see.

 
It will probably not go unnoticed that the r-o-s sim loves the small rosters. Legit, or flawed simulator?Definitely the latter to some extent. The primary issue with projecting forward past this week is that it's tough to take into account future injuries and situation changes. I have to believe that this particular failure to model reality will make stud-laden teams look better and deep teams look worse.

So take it for what it's worth: a fun way to get a very rough estimate of your team's chances, and to identify some of the strongest squads.
I have to concur that this new sim seems prejudiced against large rosters. According to this sim, my 30 man team has a 35.77% chance of making it past this week. According to the Week 12 sim, I'm at 59.1% But I appreciate Doug's efforts to keep us excited throughout this contest. Thanks!
 
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It will probably not go unnoticed that the r-o-s sim loves the small rosters. Legit, or flawed simulator?Definitely the latter to some extent. The primary issue with projecting forward past this week is that it's tough to take into account future injuries and situation changes. I have to believe that this particular failure to model reality will make stud-laden teams look better and deep teams look worse.

So take it for what it's worth: a fun way to get a very rough estimate of your team's chances, and to identify some of the strongest squads.
I have to concur that this new sim seems prejudiced against large rosters. According to this sim, my 30 man team has a 35.77% chance of making it past this week. According to the Week 12 sim, I'm at 59.1% But I appreciate Doug's efforts to keep us excited throughout this contest. Thanks!
OK, now that's just a flat-out bug. The algorithm should be the same for Week 12. I'll investigate.
 
It will probably not go unnoticed that the r-o-s sim loves the small rosters. Legit, or flawed simulator?Definitely the latter to some extent. The primary issue with projecting forward past this week is that it's tough to take into account future injuries and situation changes. I have to believe that this particular failure to model reality will make stud-laden teams look better and deep teams look worse.

So take it for what it's worth: a fun way to get a very rough estimate of your team's chances, and to identify some of the strongest squads.
I have to concur that this new sim seems prejudiced against large rosters. According to this sim, my 30 man team has a 35.77% chance of making it past this week. According to the Week 12 sim, I'm at 59.1% But I appreciate Doug's efforts to keep us excited throughout this contest. Thanks!
OK, now that's just a flat-out bug. The algorithm should be the same for Week 12. I'll investigate.
Yeah, I have the same issue. 59% of moving on in the Week 12 sim, but only 48% chance in the r-o-s sim.
 
What 5 things do you need to happen for your team to have a shot at winning it all?1) Need Gronkowski to become the #1 TE in NE (Scheffler to get back)2) Need Tolbert to continue as the starting RB in SD3) Need Bess to get back to his big games or get Marshall back ASAP4) Need Rivers/Roethlisberger to continue to be a dynamite duo (avg 32.18 points a week at QB position)5) Lots of luck and no more injuries.
I need1) Rivers/Orton to continue to be $$$$$$$$2) Need Bradshaw not to tail off3) Need Fitz to be the old Fitz.......I may be the only entry in the top 100 in power ranking to have Fitz.4) Need Aromashodu to start playing again5) Need incredible luck
 
:shock: love the Turkojector to the end of the year :) I'm sure any kins will be worked out. I'm thankful for that Deion Branch TD and the Calvin TD and for this contest and for the Turk's hard work :unsure:

:)

-QG

 
I'm grinning EAR to EAR with my team's week 12 performance...only 3 quarters of one game into the week, and already 49.5 points out of Deion Branch, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, and a couple meaningless points from Sammy Morris and Detroit Defense.

 
I'm grinning EAR to EAR with my team's week 12 performance...only 3 quarters of one game into the week, and already 49.5 points out of Deion Branch, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, and a couple meaningless points from Sammy Morris and Detroit Defense.
...Make that 58.7 points...Thank you Brady for delivering the mail to Branch this week!
 
Bug fixed. I forgot to update the rest-of-season simulator for the expanded rosters. So it was cutting off everyone at 24 players, and therefore making the big rosters play without a kicker and/or defense.

I also re-ran a new week 12 simulator to account for projection changes. (Does not account for the already-played Thursday action).

The weekly sim should now match the weekly projection in the corrected rest-of-season sim.

The r-o-s sim now thinks large rosters are just dandy, by the way. And it likes this team as a far heavier favorite than anyone has a right to be at this point. Good team, sure, but I'm not sure the human Turk is feeling as much love as the more logical automated robo-Turk is.

 
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I like that a lot better Doug!!! as I have 27 rosters spots.... I like it when all of the positions contribute!

BTW... 15 of us with the Brady-Branch combo... whee!!!

I feel almost as special as the 13 with Brady-Welker combo....

But we are all jealous of these two lucky contestants: 100291 and 102605 .... as they are riding the Brady/Welker/Branch trio! :confused:

 

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