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Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
Where did EG claim the Steeler Offense was "great" (by your definition or anyone else's)? He only indicated it was capable of putting up 25-27 points, right around what they've averaged. Way to knock down that straw man you built--the Steelers are half a point per game away from being what you consider "Great". Having you of all people rate them that close to "Great" is a true compliment.
Thank you.I was merely illustrating that their recent success is no mirage at all, they've consistently been solid offensively. I enever said "great" because they don't have to BE great, they just have to get a lead and then wind out the clock. They spend the second half of many games just pounding the ball up the middle.

If you look at their first-half offense (when they actually pass and are always trying to score rather than just wind clock), they average 13.1 ppg in the first 30 minutes. Project that over a 16-game season and you get 420 points, which, by YOUR definition, would make them a great offense.

 
There is no way Seattle's offense is held to 17 points.

As far as the game goes, I see Big Ben choking, much like he did last year. Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.

Seattle wins by at least 6.
Doesn't Hasselhoff have more experience at playoff chokes than Roethlisberger?
"We're takin' the ball and we're gonna score!"
 
There is no way Seattle's offense is held to 17 points.

As far as the game goes, I see Big Ben choking, much like he did last year. Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.

Seattle wins by at least 6.
Doesn't Hasselhoff have more experience at playoff chokes than Roethlisberger?
"We're takin' the ball and we're gonna score!"
Can we at least acknowledge that was two years ago. You think maybe Hasselback has matured in this offense since then.I give him credit for having the balls to say it.

 
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Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
Where did EG claim the Steeler Offense was "great" (by your definition or anyone else's)? He only indicated it was capable of putting up 25-27 points, right around what they've averaged. Way to knock down that straw man you built--the Steelers are half a point per game away from being what you consider "Great". Having you of all people rate them that close to "Great" is a true compliment.
Thank you.I was merely illustrating that their recent success is no mirage at all, they've consistently been solid offensively. I enever said "great" because they don't have to BE great, they just have to get a lead and then wind out the clock. They spend the second half of many games just pounding the ball up the middle.

If you look at their first-half offense (when they actually pass and are always trying to score rather than just wind clock), they average 13.1 ppg in the first 30 minutes. Project that over a 16-game season and you get 420 points, which, by YOUR definition, would make them a great offense.
Or, subtract the two Maddox games and the Steelers scored 357 points in Ben's 14 regular season games. That is 25.5 per game = 408 for a 16 game season. I'm so glad that with Ben in the lineup they meet BGP's standard of excellence!Edit to correct typo--357 points, not 387.

 
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Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
Where did EG claim the Steeler Offense was "great" (by your definition or anyone else's)? He only indicated it was capable of putting up 25-27 points, right around what they've averaged. Way to knock down that straw man you built--the Steelers are half a point per game away from being what you consider "Great". Having you of all people rate them that close to "Great" is a true compliment.
Thank you.I was merely illustrating that their recent success is no mirage at all, they've consistently been solid offensively. I enever said "great" because they don't have to BE great, they just have to get a lead and then wind out the clock. They spend the second half of many games just pounding the ball up the middle.

If you look at their first-half offense (when they actually pass and are always trying to score rather than just wind clock), they average 13.1 ppg in the first 30 minutes. Project that over a 16-game season and you get 420 points, which, by YOUR definition, would make them a great offense.
Or, subtract the two Maddox games and the Steelers scored 387 points in Ben's 14 regular season games. That is 25.5 per game = 408 for a 16 game season. I'm so glad that with Ben in the lineup they meet BGP's standard of excellence!
You're forgetting the two Batch games. Though, I feel 100% confident that the Steelers offense would have easily matched the numbers they put up under Batch, especially considering one of Batch's starts was against the Browns (he put up 34 points in that game, the Steelers scored 41 with Roethlisberger in their second meeting.)
 
Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
I think we just got BGP to admit that the Steelers' offense with Ben Roethlisberger under center is a great offense...389 total points scored

84 points scored against JAX, CLE, GB, and BAL with Maddox and Batch starting.

305 points scored in Ben's 12 regular season starts

25.42 PPG

= 407 points over 16 games, or great according to BGP.

Aside from Ben's first game back in Indy after missing a month, it jumps to 27.09 PPG, or a 433 total points pace.

In the playoffs, that number is even higher.

Thanks BGP!! :thumbup:

 
I posted this in the "Poll: Line: Pittsburgh favored by 4 over Seattle" thread last week:

I can look at the numbers and see that the Steelers have been improving throughout the last 8 games of the season.

Over 19 games, the Steelers have averaged 25.0 ppg

Over the past 8 games, the average is 29.0 ppg

Over the past 5 games, the average is 32.4 ppg

Compare this to the Seahawks:

Over 18 games, the Seahawks have averaged 28.1 ppg

Over the past 8 games, the average is 29.2 ppg

Over the past 5 games, the average is 25.4 ppg

(removing the GB game, the average over 4 games climbs to 27.5 ppg)
For the Steelers:The 25 ppg pace extrapolates to a 400 point regular season in 16 games.

The 29 ppg pace extrapolates to a 456 point regular season in 16 games.

The 32.4 ppg pace extrapolates to a 518 point regular season in 16 games.

I join with the others in thanking BGP for giving the Steelers offense his stamp of excellence.

 
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Looks like the first shots have been fired...

Joey Porter fires back at Seahawks' comments

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Wednesday, February 01, 2006

By Paul Zeise and Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

DETROIT -- Steelers linebacker Joey Porter has been waiting for someone from the Seahawks to say something -- anything -- inflammatory. It appears he got his wish. And in typical Joey Porter fashion, he clearly won the war of words, at least for one day.

Porter was asked today what he thought of comments by Seahawks tight end Jerramy Stevens, who yesterday said that it is too bad Jerome Bettis's career will end without a Super Bowl trophy because it could have been a fairy tale ending to a great career.

Porter wasn't shy about making his opinion known.

"Now I'm looking for him on game day, now I'm looking for Stevens," Porter said. "He has to line up in front of me, and that information you gave me just got me started so I'll be out there looking for him at the 50-yard line. That information will go a long way because Stevens can't hide from me. He has to line up in front of me and I'll remind him of [what he said] every time I put him on his back.

"I was focused on football until right now, when you told me what [stevens] said. I don't blame him for thinking they came down here to win, but he said what he said and I'll be ready for him. I can never get an offensive player to say stuff like that no more, I'm always battling defensive guys. It is great that the tight end said it because I don't [ever] get to go against a tight end like that."

Porter didn't stop there. He was just getting warmed up.

"He should know his role," Porter said. "He hasn't done anything that makes anybody fear him, while Jerome is a Hall of Famer and everybody knows about him. Meanwhile, this guy is almost a first-round bust who barely made some plays this year. He has the nerve to say what Jerome is not going to do when he isn't going to be the deciding factor whether that happens or not. I'm going to make sure he don't have anything to do with the outcome of the game.

"I would think someone would say something, but I wouldn't think it would be him -- he's too soft to say something like that. He'll have the opportunity to back up his words, but I'm going to have an opportunity to back up my words.

"You ever see the movie "Underworld"? I was sleeping all week, but I got my first taste of blood right here, and it is great when you haven't tasted it in a while. This week was boring until now. He definitely is one who hasn't earned the right to say what's on his mind. There is no way he can hide from me. I needed to hear that, I needed something to get me going."

After this morning's round of interviews that ended at 9:15 a.m. the Steelers went straight to work at the Pontiac Silverdome. There, all of their meetings, a catered lunch and practice will occur. Practice was scheduled for 1:15 p.m. and was to last about two hours, the same schedule for a Wednesday during the regular season. They will follow the same procedure tomorrow.

"It's kind of good to get back to football,'' coach Bill Cowher declared early this morning. "I think that is what we are all kind of looking forward to now. The fun and games are over with now and it's getting ourselves ready to play the game.

"It'll be a normal Wednesday practice, fast tempo and just a normal practice,'' Cowher said.

Halfback Duce Staley, given time off since the weekend to attend his father's funeral in South Carolina, did not appear at the team's interview session this morning but was expected to join them at practice.

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Paul Zeise can be reached at pzeise@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1720.

More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh

 
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Judge it however you want. Here's a listing of how the best QBs the Steelers' faced fared against the Steelers' defense in 2005.McNair - 18-26, 219, 1-1, 1 fumbleBrady - 31-41, 372, 0-1Brees - 20-35, 219, 1-1Leftwich - 19-35, 177, 1-1Favre - 20-35, 214, 0-1, 1 fumbleJohnson - 16-30, 143, 0-2Palmer (week 6) - 21-36, 227, 0-2Palmer (week 11) - 22-38, 227, 3-0 (notice same #'s except for TDs instead of INTs)Manning (regular season) - 15-25, 245, 2-1 (80 yard bomb to Marvin hurt)Manning (playoffs) - 22-38, 290, 1-0 (Polamalu picked him off, but...)Plummer - 18-30, 223, 1-2, 2 fumbles

 
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Judge it however you want.

Here's a listing of how the best QBs the Steelers' faced fared against the Steelers' defense in 2005.

McNair - 18-26, 219, 1-1, 1 fumble

Brady - 31-41, 372, 0-1

Brees - 20-35, 219, 1-1

Leftwich - 19-35, 177, 1-1

Favre - 20-35, 214, 0-1, 1 fumble

Johnson - 16-30, 143, 0-2

Palmer (week 6) - 21-36, 227, 0-2

Palmer (week 11) - 22-38, 227, 3-0 (notice same #'s except for TDs instead of INTs)

Manning (regular season) - 15-25, 245, 2-1 (80 yard bomb to Marvin hurt)

Manning (playoffs) - 22-38, 290, 1-0 (Polamalu picked him off, but...)

Plummer - 18-30, 223, 1-2, 2 fumbles
Stop cluttering up this thread with actual statistics and facts. Please!
 
Can you predict the Super Bowl winner?John Dewan's Stat of the WeekFebruary 1, 2006There's a system that I've been using for the past 16 years that hascorrectly predicted the Super Bowl winner 14 times. Let me share it withyou here, then we'll see how it does on Sunday.The system has twelve statistics that we use based on the regular season forthe two Super Bowl teams. Each statistic individually predicts the SuperBowl winner roughly 55 to 70 percent of the time. But taken together, they perform much better. We look at each stat and determine which team is favored. Count up the number that favors each team and the team with the most stats in its favor usually wins the Super Bowl. Last year the Patriots were favored on nine stats, the Eagles on two and there was one tie. That 9-2-1 "record" pointed to a Patriots victory and they won 32-29 over the Eagles. The system is the most fun when it predicts the underdog to win, as it did with Tampa Bay over the Raiders two years ago. The system had the edge for the Buccs 7-5 that year.One of the statistical categories is particularly interesting. It's NetPassing Yards by the offense during the regular season. It turns out thatthe team with fewer net passing yards generally wins the Super Bowl. In essence, the team that relies less on the passing game for its offensegenerally wins the Super Bowl. The team with the fewer net passing yards during the regular season has won 23 out of 39 Super Bowls, or 59% of the time.How about this Sunday, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Seattle Seahawks? Here are the statisitcal categories:Category/ Team with AdvantagePoints Scored/ SeahawksPoints Allowed/ SteelersPoint Differential/ SeahawksFewer Net Passing Yards/ SteelersRushing Yards/ SeahawksRushing Yards/Att/ SeahawksOpponent Net Passing Yards/ SteelersOpponent Rushing Yards/ SteelersOpponent Yards/Att/ SteelersOpponent Total Yards/Game/ SteelersTurnover Differential/ SeahawksRegular Season Record/ SeahawksOh no! That's a 6-6 tie. That's the first time since I've been doing thissystem that this has happened. We have to go to overtime!Fortunately, we have a tiebreaker which works for this Super Bowl. In 16 previous Super Bowls one team had previous Super Bowl experience as a franchise and the other didn't. Twelve of those games were won by the team with experience. That 75% success rate is a good predictor as an individual statistic. We use this for our tiebreaker, meaning:The Pittsburgh Steelers are predicted to win Super Bowl XL over the Seattle Seahawks. In overtime!Copyright © 2006 by John Dewan.Permission to reprint or broadcast this information is granted only if usedin conjunction with the following citation: "Used with permission from John Dewan's Stat of the Week™, www.statoftheweek.com."

 
Looks like the first shots have been fired...

Joey Porter fires back at Seahawks' comments

Link

Wednesday, February 01, 2006

By Paul Zeise and Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

DETROIT -- Steelers linebacker Joey Porter has been waiting for someone from the Seahawks to say something -- anything -- inflammatory. It appears he got his wish. And in typical Joey Porter fashion, he clearly won the war of words, at least for one day.

Porter was asked today what he thought of comments by Seahawks tight end Jerramy Stevens, who yesterday said that it is too bad Jerome Bettis's career will end without a Super Bowl trophy because it could have been a fairy tale ending to a great career.

Porter wasn't shy about making his opinion known.

"Now I'm looking for him on game day, now I'm looking for Stevens," Porter said. "He has to line up in front of me, and that information you gave me just got me started so I'll be out there looking for him at the 50-yard line. That information will go a long way because Stevens can't hide from me. He has to line up in front of me and I'll remind him of [what he said] every time I put him on his back.

"I was focused on football until right now, when you told me what [stevens] said. I don't blame him for thinking they came down here to win, but he said what he said and I'll be ready for him. I can never get an offensive player to say stuff like that no more, I'm always battling defensive guys. It is great that the tight end said it because I don't [ever] get to go against a tight end like that."

Porter didn't stop there. He was just getting warmed up.

"He should know his role," Porter said. "He hasn't done anything that makes anybody fear him, while Jerome is a Hall of Famer and everybody knows about him. Meanwhile, this guy is almost a first-round bust who barely made some plays this year. He has the nerve to say what Jerome is not going to do when he isn't going to be the deciding factor whether that happens or not. I'm going to make sure he don't have anything to do with the outcome of the game.

"I would think someone would say something, but I wouldn't think it would be him -- he's too soft to say something like that. He'll have the opportunity to back up his words, but I'm going to have an opportunity to back up my words.

"You ever see the movie "Underworld"? I was sleeping all week, but I got my first taste of blood right here, and it is great when you haven't tasted it in a while. This week was boring until now. He definitely is one who hasn't earned the right to say what's on his mind. There is no way he can hide from me. I needed to hear that, I needed something to get me going."

After this morning's round of interviews that ended at 9:15 a.m. the Steelers went straight to work at the Pontiac Silverdome. There, all of their meetings, a catered lunch and practice will occur. Practice was scheduled for 1:15 p.m. and was to last about two hours, the same schedule for a Wednesday during the regular season. They will follow the same procedure tomorrow.

"It's kind of good to get back to football,'' coach Bill Cowher declared early this morning. "I think that is what we are all kind of looking forward to now. The fun and games are over with now and it's getting ourselves ready to play the game.

"It'll be a normal Wednesday practice, fast tempo and just a normal practice,'' Cowher said.

Halfback Duce Staley, given time off since the weekend to attend his father's funeral in South Carolina, did not appear at the team's interview session this morning but was expected to join them at practice.

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Paul Zeise can be reached at pzeise@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1720.

More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh
Porter was just waiting for anything to go off on. They were relatively minor comments made by Stevens. Every player going into the game thinks that they are going to win and Stevens said Jerome was a great player.
 
Fortunately, we have a tiebreaker which works for this Super Bowl. In 16 previous Super Bowls one team had previous Super Bowl experience as a franchise and the other didn't. Twelve of those games were won by the team with experience. That 75% success rate is a good predictor as an individual statistic. We use this for our tiebreaker, meaning:The Pittsburgh Steelers are predicted to win Super Bowl XL over the Seattle Seahawks. In overtime!
The only flaw there is that combined superbowl experience of the coaches and players wieghs in favor of the Seahawks.
 
Fortunately, we have a tiebreaker which works for this Super Bowl.  In 16 previous Super Bowls one team had previous Super Bowl experience as a franchise and the other didn't.  Twelve of those games were won by the team with experience.  That 75% success rate is a good predictor as an individual statistic.  We use this for our tiebreaker, meaning:

The Pittsburgh Steelers are predicted to win Super Bowl XL over the Seattle Seahawks.  In overtime!
The only flaw there is that combined superbowl experience of the coaches and players wieghs in favor of the Seahawks.
True, but a "team" that has never won may have more fan pressure. Steeler fans already have a few in the pocket, even though it's been a while.
 
Fortunately, we have a tiebreaker which works for this Super Bowl.  In 16 previous Super Bowls one team had previous Super Bowl experience as a franchise and the other didn't.  zTwelve of those games were won by the team with experience.  That 75% success rate is a good predictor as an individual statistic.  We use this for our tiebreaker, meaning:

The Pittsburgh Steelers are predicted to win Super Bowl XL over the Seattle Seahawks.  In overtime!
The only flaw there is that combined superbowl experience of the coaches and players wieghs in favor of the Seahawks.
 
THIS JUST IN:Seahawks rule.Shark Pool people are dorks.Mike Holmgren once averted a supervolcano eruption with the power of his mind alone.

 
THIS JUST IN:

Seahawks rule.

Shark Pool people are dorks.

Mike Holmgren once averted a supervolcano eruption with the power of his mind alone.
(A) That was no supervolcano, it was a zit on Hasselback's posterior.(B) We've now converted BGP to a believer. Can you be far behind?

 
THIS JUST IN:

Seahawks rule. X

Shark Pool people are dorks. At least we can admit it. FFAers somehow think they're above this, but they're dorks too. Oh wait, I post in the FFA too. Scratch that.

Mike Holmgren once averted a supervolcano eruption with the power of his mind alone. Anyone can hold off their own diarrhea for a while if they concentrate. I hear that when it did finally come, though, he set off car alarms as far away as Salem, OR.
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Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
Where did EG claim the Steeler Offense was "great" (by your definition or anyone else's)? He only indicated it was capable of putting up 25-27 points, right around what they've averaged. Way to knock down that straw man you built--the Steelers are half a point per game away from being what you consider "Great". Having you of all people rate them that close to "Great" is a true compliment.
He seemed to me to be building up that production as being great (although yes he did not actually use the word great). To wit:Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games

That sentence to me suggests that he is in fact very impressed with that level of production. If he is actually not impressed at all, then I guess I read it wrong. I certainly don't think even the adjusted numbers he gave are impressive.

 
You know, the Patriots and Steelers seem to have two of the more emotional fanbases on these boards. It would be interesting to have a super bowl without either one of them, just to see how civil it would be around here. The last time it happened was early 2003, and this was still the yellow board back then I think.

 
Great article on LeBeau. Interesting that he devised the zone blitz specifically to combat the West Coast O (that Seattle runs).

Players love playing for LeBeau

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By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

PONTIAC, Mich. -- Of the many translations of his French-derived surname, the one that might most aptly fit **** LeBeau is "the beauty."

Because to Pittsburgh Steelers defenders, their ingenious and father-like coordinator is, to employ a bit of old Western Pennsylvania slang here, a real beaut.

"Probably the best man, and not just one of the best coaches, I've ever met in my life," insisted defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen, who has played five seasons under the tutelage of LeBeau in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. "The things I've learned from him about football and about life, I'll cherish forever, really. Every minute you're around him, believe me, is a minute where you've benefited in some way."

**** LeBeau's first stint with the Steelers was from 1992-96.Von Oelhoffen was one of the ringleaders, along with smack-talkin' linebacker Joey Porter, of the New Year's Day tribute Steelers players undertook in honor of LeBeau, when all 27 defenders spent $300 each to buy Detroit throwback jerseys bearing LeBeau's old No. 44 from his days as one of the NFL's top cornerbacks, and then wore them to that day's season finale against the Lions. And von Oelhoffen's sentiments are echoed by players young and old on this squad.

LeBeau, who recites to his players "The Night Before Christmas," during every holiday season (and whose dramatic rendition of the Clement Moore classic requires no notes), is 68 years old. But LeBeau, whose trim figure makes him appear far younger than what his birth certificate says, has connected with virtually every player in the Steelers' defensive meeting room because of his rare ability to cross age lines.

And also because LeBeau, arguably among the premier defensive schemers of the league's modern era, makes playing defense fun for his charges.

A lot of players in the NFL pay lip service to loyalty. But the affinity between LeBeau and his players, who speak of him in near-reverential tones, is palpable here this week. Most of the defenders who have worked with LeBeau for even a short time regard him as a genius, and the label is probably justifiable.

"One play, I might be dropping [in coverage]," cornerback Deshea Townsend said. "The next, I might be sneaking up to the line to blitz off the corner. The next play, hey, who knows? But **** knows. Because that man, let me tell you, knows all. How could you not love playing for a guy like that?"

A football lifer, LeBeau played 15 seasons for the Lions, and the three-time Pro Bowl performer retired with 62 interceptions (third-most in the NFL when he left the game) and 171 consecutive starts, still a league record for the position. Somehow, his name has fallen between the cracks as a candidate for the Hall of Fame, but his contemporaries are quick to note that he should be enshrined in the Canton, Ohio, football museum.

Those who have played for LeBeau during his 33 seasons as an assistant and head coach insist he merits Hall of Fame consideration, as well, for the defensive doodles he has drawn up during his three-plus decades on the sideline.

Certainly the most famous collection of X's and O's divined by LeBeau is the zone blitz scheme he devised in the 1980s to help counter the preponderance of West Coast-style offenses in the league. The fact LeBeau is still using derivations of the zone blitz, and that Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren employs arguably the purest form of the Bill Walsh-designed West Coast passing attack, is one of the most notable schematic matchups for Super Bowl XL, clearly one of the game's top subplots.

It was in the mid-1980s that LeBeau, then the Cincinnati Bengals' coordinator, first hatched the zone blitz on unsuspecting offenses. Football purists still vehemently contend there is nothing original anymore in the game, nothing new under the NFL sun, that every newfangled nuance is little more than a tweak of something that has already been witnessed.

But the first zone blitz call -- "Fulcher-2-stay" was the precise parlance -- revolutionized the game on the defensive side.

The original zone blitz, designed around 245-pound safety David Fulcher, a hybrid defender with linebacker size but deceptively good range, suddenly blurred the lines between safeties and linebackers. And it redefined the roles, especially on third down, for players who traditionally rushed the quarterback and those who historically were charged with pass coverage responsibilities.

Because the essence of Walsh's passing game was timing, a quick release that stressed delivering the ball to the receivers in stride, LeBeau sought to counter with a defense that got sudden pressure and from unthinkable angles. The defense also was meant to crowd the short slant and hook zones the West Coast offense favors. Walsh loved having big receivers run quick slants. LeBeau's antidote was to have even bigger players, sometimes 260-pound ends, knocking the receivers off stride. Disrupt the clockwork timing of the West Coast offense, LeBeau reasoned, and you trump its strongest suit.

In the zone blitz packages conjured up from LeBeau's fertile imagination, defensive ends will often drop into coverage in the short hook and swing zones. Linebackers will rush the passer from every angle imaginable. Players will loop and stunt around each other. Safeties and cornerbacks will sneak up into the slot to rush off the edge. And in Steelers strong safety Troy Polamalu -- an incredible physical melding of explosive quickness and innate football instincts, and a man who might be the league's best defender right now -- LeBeau has found his latter-day David Fulcher.

There is no doubt that Polamalu, his dark tresses dangling well below his helmet, has become both the mane man and the main man for the Pittsburgh defense. He is the gridiron equivalent of a Vegematic, slicing and dicing his way to the ball, and wreaking all manner of havoc. While it might seem as if LeBeau has all but exhausted the devious devices created for Polamalu, the bag of tricks Steelers players promised this week is not quite empty yet.

"Hey, you're talking about the Thomas Edison of defensive coordinators," Porter said. "He'll invent something new."

Pittsburgh players swear that in their three previous postseason victories forged on the way to the Super Bowl berth, LeBeau has been at his best. Three different games, three widely varied opposing offenses with which to contend, three different game plans. So how exotic will LeBeau be on Sunday night? If he knows, he isn't telling, of course, but there are certain to be a few wrinkles in the ambitious game plan distributed to Steelers players last week.

"I guess, in some ways, it's kind of like music," said the deep-thinking LeBeau, whose wide range of interests includes playing the guitar. "I mean, there is probably a finite number of ways in which you can arrange [musical] notes, right? But here we are, thousands of years into human history, and we haven't reached the end yet. Every year, there are thousands of songs written, and thousands of new combinations of notes. So I guess there's some limit to what we can do on defense.

"But we haven't reached it yet."

It is LeBeau's seemingly limitless variations on a theme, the manner in which the veteran coach orchestrates his game plans, that most excites his defenders. Porter, who has been all but unblockable during the playoffs, dominating for long stretches from his weakside linebacker spot in the Pittsburgh 3-4 front, said one of the highlights of any week is when the game plan is handed out to the players.

"Every guy in the room," Porter said, "wants to see what coach LeBeau has schemed up for him."

Truth be told, though, the basics of LeBeau's zone blitz haven't changed all that appreciably since the David Fulcher days. Polamalu, clearly the instigator, is such a great athlete, and can do so many more things than Fulcher was capable of, that the possibilities have expanded. But the cerebral LeBeau has always been able to add to and subtract from his blitzing schemes, while still maintaining the foundation.

In his first tour of duty with the Steelers (1992-96), LeBeau's chess pieces were standout defenders such as safety Carnell Lake, cornerback Rod Woodson and linebackers Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene, among others. The names have changed in this go-round for LeBeau, who rejoined coach Bill Cowher's staff in 2004, but the schemes haven't varied as much as some might suspect.

There is a perception in some quarters that LeBeau employs more straight blitzes now than in the halcyon days of the zone blitz phenomenon. But New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick told ESPN.com this week that LeBeau's zone blitz principles are still the underpinning on which the Pittsburgh defense is constructed.

Belichick pointed out that LeBeau's weekly changes to the scheme are "more subtle than most people think of when they talk about [altering] game plans. But if I took out a tape from 10 years ago and compared it to what [LeBeau] is doing now, you'd see the same principles, believe me."

LeBeau, whose legend has mushroomed during the Steelers' playoff run to guru-level proportions, agrees. He said that if he brought back players such as Lloyd and Lake, and gave them just a 24-hour tutorial, they would comprehend the Pittsburgh game plan for Super Bowl XL.

"It's a little like a recipe," LeBeau said. "You might try something a little bit different every time you use it. But the main ingredients stay the same."

The ingredient veteran Pittsburgh defenders want to add to the recipe Sunday evening is a Super Bowl ring for their beloved coordinator. This is a throwback sort of week for the Steelers, with the return of tailback Jerome Bettis to his hometown for what figures to be his final appearance, and the support for the Rooney family, in the sense that it would be gratifying to present another Vince Lombardi Trophy to a clan whose stable leadership has meant so much to Pittsburgh and to the league.

But the Steelers' defenders are keenly aware that LeBeau also has returned to a city in which he once starred. Part of what drives Steelers defenders is the knowledge they can add an important entry to LeBeau's lengthy résumé, and in a city where his professional career sank its roots.

Part of the LeBeau lore is that he knows virtually every line of dialogue from the classic movie "The Wizard of Oz." Reminded of that, linebacker James Farrior replied: "Yeah, but when you pull back the curtain on our wizard, it's the real deal standing there."

Just before the New Year's Day game, LeBeau phoned his mother to tell her about how his players had honored him by wearing the Lions' classic uniform jerseys. His mother asked LeBeau if he had been able to take a picture of the players.

"No, mom," LeBeau replied. "But the picture I've got in my mind of that moment is more than enough."

Sometime late Sunday, the Steelers' players hope to gather around LeBeau for a group picture of them and their leader, holding the Super Bowl trophy.

"For everything he's given us," von Oelhoffen said, "it would mean a lot to all of us to give him that moment."

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. To check out Len's chat archive, click here .

 
You know, the Patriots and Steelers seem to have two of the more emotional fanbases on these boards. It would be interesting to have a super bowl without either one of them, just to see how civil it would be around here. The last time it happened was early 2003, and this was still the yellow board back then I think.
how many Super Bowls have the Cleveland Browns been to?
 
Of all things not what they appear to be, it's the play of Big Ben and the Steelers offense.
Based on what? The Steelers this year have averaged 24.5 ppg with Roethlisberger at QB. Aside from the 7 point crapfest against Indy his first game back from the knee injury, they've put up 25.7 ppg. Over the course of the last 7 games (since it became win or go home for the team) they've averaged 28.7 ppg. Same number in the playoffs thus far. Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games. In case you feel that point is overemphasized, the Steelers have averaged 13.1 ppg in the first half and 10.7 ppg in the second, clearly a result of playing with the lead. This is not a "Steelers rule" post, it's an analytical one meant to refute your assertion that the Steelers offensive production is some sort of mirage. I see nothing to indicate to me that the Steelers cannot score 27 in this game, which, to me, means that Seattle will need 28 to win it. They're certainly an offense capable of doing so, but it's only been done once against Pittsburgh all year long. Of course, Seattle has only allowed 27 in a game once all year, so for every point, there's a counterpoint, which is what makes this such a terrific matchup.
24.5 ppg over 16 games is 392 points. That's still not a great offense. I've always said you need to crack 400 points in a season to be considered a great offense, and that's being generous since we've seen truly great offenses in the past, such as the Rams from 1999-2001 which scored over 500 points every year.
Where did EG claim the Steeler Offense was "great" (by your definition or anyone else's)? He only indicated it was capable of putting up 25-27 points, right around what they've averaged. Way to knock down that straw man you built--the Steelers are half a point per game away from being what you consider "Great". Having you of all people rate them that close to "Great" is a true compliment.
He seemed to me to be building up that production as being great (although yes he did not actually use the word great). To wit:Bear in mind also that these numbers have been put up despite the Steelers in large part playing the clock and not the opponent in the second half of games

That sentence to me suggests that he is in fact very impressed with that level of production. If he is actually not impressed at all, then I guess I read it wrong. I certainly don't think even the adjusted numbers he gave are impressive.
Methinks you read between the lines WAY too much.I never once said I was "impressed" by this - that's not even what I was discussing. What I was illustrating are reasons why I feel the Steelers offense can put 27 points up against Seattle, justifying my game prediction, nothing more. I never said they had a GREAT offense, but it's sure been good enough to get them to this point, hasn't it?

The adjusted numbers I gave in every instance project to over 400 points in a season, which by YOUR measure, makes a "great" offense. Your words, not mine. So, I guess a great offense doesn't impress you if it's wearing black and gold jerseys.

 
Sep 11 @Jacksonville  Lost 14-26   

Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18   

Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12   

Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20   

Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31   

Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10   

Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10   

Week 8 BYE     

Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19   

Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16   

Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25   

Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21   

Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0   

Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3   

Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24   

Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13   

Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23   

Jan 14 Washington Won 20-10   

Jan 22 Carolina Won 34-14   

Feb 5 @Pittsburgh (Detroit, MI) 6:00pm 

To only reason Seattle is rank so High againt the run is because they have not played anyone good.  When they played a somewhat good team (Giants) Tiki had 26 carries for 151 yards.  Seattle played Indy but James only played about a quarter.

They did a good job against Portis their last game,  While allowing Mark Brunell to pass for over 250 yrds.
Good thing you didn't mention SOS or DR. Detroit would have a snide remark agains you.
:snide remark:
 
Was just listening to Dan Patrick on ESPN radio, and here is what he had to say about the Seahawks defense: "their defensive statistics are hollow, since many of them were generated against inferior competition."

He went on to say "the Seahawks D is nowhere near as good as the Steelers D. The Steelers D just shut down a "murderer's row" of offenses in Cincy, in Indy, and in Denver..."

Care to float anymore statistics around BGP and others??
You're quoting Dan Patrick so as with all other broadcasters who have never suited up for an NFL game except in a tie and wingtips, I'll take that with a grain of salt. Plus Dan was just bashing the Steelers before both the Colts and Broncos game. :X
and he learned, unlike you.
SHAZAAM!!!
You two should get a room. :hophead:
 
Have the pictures of Roethlisberger partying this week instead of watching film made this thread yet? I'll post them if they haven't, but wanted to avoid any honda's.Whether they win or not, it's pretty obvious that the Steelers have lost their 'edge' for this game...Big Ben partying on what looks like the set of the latest 'girls gone wild' video, Bettis getting the key to the city, every Steeler and their mother being interviewed constantly...I mean really...should I be able to pick Jerome Bettis mother out of a lineup?I still think they have more talent and should win, but geez it would be nice to see them taking this game seriously. There was something kind of endearing about their "us vs. the world" attitude...I guess I just miss it, that's all.What's the ratio of interviews you've seen of Steeler players vs. Seahawks players? I've seen one, countem ONE Seahawk interview (Hasslebeck) and read one other (the droning of Jeremy Stevens). Where's Shaun Alexander? I mean, he's only the NFL MVP! Good God yall.Think about it Steeler fans....isn't this starting to remind you of a time when a hardworking little team known as the Patriots let the monolith that was the Rams take all the bows and all the interviews and all the pictures...and the little team that did the work and watched the film and avoided the parties did their talking on the field and ended up winning the game. Did anyone that didn't pronouce 'car' as 'cah' think the Patriots were a great team before that game? Weren't the Rams huge favorites? I dunno...just looks like dejavu all over again.(disclosure - I have the Steeler ML on the end of two parlays, so I'm looking at this game from a 'ok, how are the Steelers going to blow it' perspective)

 
Have the pictures of Roethlisberger partying this week instead of watching film made this thread yet? I'll post them if they haven't, but wanted to avoid any honda's.

Whether they win or not, it's pretty obvious that the Steelers have lost their 'edge' for this game...Big Ben partying on what looks like the set of the latest 'girls gone wild' video, Bettis getting the key to the city, every Steeler and their mother being interviewed constantly...I mean really...should I be able to pick Jerome Bettis mother out of a lineup?

I still think they have more talent and should win, but geez it would be nice to see them taking this game seriously. There was something kind of endearing about their "us vs. the world" attitude...I guess I just miss it, that's all.

What's the ratio of interviews you've seen of Steeler players vs. Seahawks players? I've seen one, countem ONE Seahawk interview (Hasslebeck) and read one other (the droning of Jeremy Stevens). Where's Shaun Alexander? I mean, he's only the NFL MVP! Good God yall.

Think about it Steeler fans....isn't this starting to remind you of a time when a hardworking little team known as the Patriots let the monolith that was the Rams take all the bows and all the interviews and all the pictures...and the little team that did the work and watched the film and avoided the parties did their talking on the field and ended up winning the game. Did anyone that didn't pronouce 'car' as 'cah' think the Patriots were a great team before that game? Weren't the Rams huge favorites? I dunno...just looks like dejavu all over again.

(disclosure - I have the Steeler ML on the end of two parlays, so I'm looking at this game from a 'ok, how are the Steelers going to blow it' perspective)
First, those pictures were reportedly taken after the Colts game, not this week. If true, it didn't seem to hurt him at Denver.Bettis had some stuff to take care of... and this matters why? Terrell Davis had the same kind of things done for him when he played the Super Bowl in San Diego.

The NFL Network is splitting up the interviews pretty evenly, and I'm not concerned in the least bit about how seriously the Steelers are taking this game.

The media wants to make the Seahawks the underdogs, so there's not much that can be done about that. The game will still be decided on the field, and I haven't seen much of anything that says the Seahawks are taking things more seriously than the Steelers.

 
Let's get real, I'm only planting the seeds for my "see, I told you" post after the game if the Steelers lose.Just being honest :D

 
Have the pictures of Roethlisberger partying this week instead of watching film made this thread yet?  I'll post them if they haven't, but wanted to avoid any honda's.

Whether they win or not, it's pretty obvious that the Steelers have lost their 'edge' for this game...Big Ben partying on what looks like the set of the latest 'girls gone wild' video, Bettis getting the key to the city, every Steeler and their mother being interviewed constantly...I mean really...should I be able to pick Jerome Bettis mother out of a lineup?

I still think they have more talent and should win, but geez it would be nice to see them taking this game seriously.  There was something kind of endearing about their "us vs. the world" attitude...I guess I just miss it, that's all.

What's the ratio of interviews you've seen of Steeler players vs. Seahawks players?  I've seen one, countem ONE Seahawk interview (Hasslebeck) and read one other (the droning of Jeremy Stevens).  Where's Shaun Alexander?  I mean, he's only the NFL MVP!  Good God yall.

Think about it Steeler fans....isn't this starting to remind you of a time when a hardworking little team known as the Patriots let the monolith that was the Rams take all the bows and all the interviews and all the pictures...and the little team that did the work and watched the film and avoided the parties did their talking on the field and ended up winning the game.  Did anyone that didn't pronouce 'car' as 'cah' think the Patriots were a great team before that game?  Weren't the Rams huge favorites?  I dunno...just looks like dejavu all over again.

(disclosure - I have the Steeler ML on the end of two parlays, so I'm looking at this game from a 'ok, how are the Steelers going to blow it' perspective)
First, those pictures were reportedly taken after the Colts game, not this week. If true, it didn't seem to hurt him at Denver.Bettis had some stuff to take care of... and this matters why? Terrell Davis had the same kind of things done for him when he played the Super Bowl in San Diego.

The NFL Network is splitting up the interviews pretty evenly, and I'm not concerned in the least bit about how seriously the Steelers are taking this game.

The media wants to make the Seahawks the underdogs, so there's not much that can be done about that. The game will still be decided on the field, and I haven't seen much of anything that says the Seahawks are taking things more seriously than the Steelers.
:lmao: at relying on the discrepancy between the number of interviews seen. It was Media Day. Every player is there for the same amount of time and subject to the same numer of interviews. Neither team is looking ot grab more bows and interviews. Can the Steelers help it if nobody cares about the Seahawks so their interviews end up n the cutting room floor? However, you're probably right about one thing: Jerome's mother may very well be distracted and not at her best. I doubt if she'll be able to rush for more than 60 yards on Sunday.
 
I have a feeling the Steelers are going to show up for BettisBowl and get punched in the mouth by a Seahawk team that showed up to play in the SuperBowl. :)

 
I have a feeling the Steelers are going to show up for BettisBowl and get punched in the mouth by a Seahawk team that showed up to play in the SuperBowl.

:)
So do all the Steelers fans.Why do you think they're so rabidly shifting between attack and defend modes? You can't make a pro-Seahawk or anti-Steeler comment without the steel militia jumping all over it and explaining how you are grossly mis-informed and/or just plain stupid.

You can almost smell the desperation and flop sweat through the screen...

 
I have a feeling the Steelers are going to show up for BettisBowl and get punched in the mouth by a Seahawk team that showed up to play in the SuperBowl.

:)
So do all the Steelers fans.Why do you think they're so rabidly shifting between attack and defend modes? You can't make a pro-Seahawk or anti-Steeler comment without the steel militia jumping all over it and explaining how you are grossly mis-informed and/or just plain stupid.

You can almost smell the desperation and flop sweat through the screen...
Completely wrong. As far as I am concerned, this is all gravy - I didn't expect to get past Indy, so in my book, the season has already been a huge success. That's not to say I don't desperately want to win this game, but as much as a loss would kill me, it won't be nearly as bad as last year. Once the wound is no longer fresh, I'll be able to look back on the year as a rousing success, especially since the future seems to hold even better things - none of their key players are even 30 years old yet.I also haven't called anyone stupid, and the only time I have called people misinformed is when it truly applied. I have said repeatedly that I see a close game and that the Seahawks present as many matchup problems for the Steelers as vice versa. I go after people who make comments like : "The Steelers offense isn't as good as it seems" or "They wouldn't be here if not for Vanderjagt/Kitna/Plummer's illness", etc. Comments like that either have no basis in fact or are pure speculation, so I call people out on them. Not once have I (nor have any of my Steeler brethren amongst the frequent Shark Pool posters) looked past the Seahawks nor intimated that this would be anything but a tight game for 60 minutes.

 
This should bring BGP and the Steelers fans together once and for all.

My disdain for all things Buckeye also applies to the logo now, and I consider Pittsburgh an Ohio team from here forward. :D

"Here's the surprise: the Steelers' symbol isn't theirs, and never was. Instead, it belongs to the country's steel industry and originally had nothing to do with football, Pittsburgh or the Steelers.

An even bigger surprise: the idea for the Steelers to wear it came from, of all cities, Cleveland.

Before 1962, the Steelers' most-used logo was a punter booming a kick while balanced on a steel beam — a fitting symbol given how often they punted in those days. Before that season, executives of Cleveland-based Republic Steel suggested the Steelers wear a new emblem called the Steelmark, originally designed for U.S. Steel.

The Steelmark contained the word "steel" and the trio of four-pointed stars, known as hypocycloids, in yellow, orange and blue.

Initially, the colors were to represent the attributes of steel but, that proved confusing and were quickly changed to stand for the three materials used in steelmaking (yellow for coal, orange for iron ore, blue for scrap steel)."
FULL ARTICLE :popcorn:

 
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This should bring BGP and the Steelers fans together once and for all.

My disdain for all things Buckeye also applies to the logo now, and I consider Pittsburgh an Ohio team from here forward. :D
Now THAT is a low blow deserving of a timeout.
 
I also haven't called anyone stupid, and the only time I have called people misinformed is when it truly applied. I have said repeatedly that I see a close game and that the Seahawks present as many matchup problems for the Steelers as vice versa. I go after people who make comments like : "The Steelers offense isn't as good as it seems" or "They wouldn't be here if not for Vanderjagt/Kitna/Plummer's illness", etc. Comments like that either have no basis in fact or are pure speculation, so I call people out on them. Not once have I (nor have any of my Steeler brethren amongst the frequent Shark Pool posters) looked past the Seahawks nor intimated that this would be anything but a tight game for 60 minutes.
You miss the irony of your own post(s).When you say that you see a close game, but one that will be won by the steelers it's just as speculative as people who say the steelers wouldn't be here if not for <blank>. One could actualy argue that you're being more speculative since you're commenting on things that haven't yet happened while other speculate about different outcomes of past events...events that we at least have SOME data on.

The point is that any post the "speculates" a steeler win is "good speculation", but any post that "speculates" a Seahawk win, or speculates that the steelers are less then steeler fans see them is "bad speculation".

The game hasn't happened yet so ANY post about the superbowl is speculation :)

 
I have a feeling the Steelers are going to show up for BettisBowl and get punched in the mouth by a Seahawk team that showed up to play in the SuperBowl.

:)
So do all the Steelers fans.Why do you think they're so rabidly shifting between attack and defend modes? You can't make a pro-Seahawk or anti-Steeler comment without the steel militia jumping all over it and explaining how you are grossly mis-informed and/or just plain stupid.

You can almost smell the desperation and flop sweat through the screen...
most steeler fans are wary of Seattle, IMO, and respect them and expect a good game. also, most steeler fans expect Pittsburgh to win the game. I doubt there are many that expect a blowout or Seattle to lay down. there is something special about this Steeler team though and I think you'll see it on Sunday.Personally, I'm excited and can't wait to see this game. I think the teams are evenly matched across the board. I'm hoping for a great game.

 
I also haven't called anyone stupid, and the only time I have called people misinformed is when it truly applied.  I have said repeatedly that I see a close game and that the Seahawks present as many matchup problems for the Steelers as vice versa.  I go after people who make comments like : "The Steelers offense isn't as good as it seems" or "They wouldn't be here if not for Vanderjagt/Kitna/Plummer's illness", etc.  Comments like that either have no basis in fact or are pure speculation, so I call people out on them.  Not once have I (nor have any of my Steeler brethren amongst the frequent Shark Pool posters) looked past the Seahawks nor intimated that this would be anything but a tight game for 60 minutes.
You miss the irony of your own post(s).When you say that you see a close game, but one that will be won by the steelers it's just as speculative as people who say the steelers wouldn't be here if not for <blank>. One could actualy argue that you're being more speculative since you're commenting on things that haven't yet happened while other speculate about different outcomes of past events...events that we at least have SOME data on.

The point is that any post the "speculates" a steeler win is "good speculation", but any post that "speculates" a Seahawk win, or speculates that the steelers are less then steeler fans see them is "bad speculation".

The game hasn't happened yet so ANY post about the superbowl is speculation :)
Dude, you're getting paranoid.Speculation about the game coming up is one thing. Speculating on what might have happened in previous games is something different. The former is just fine, and what this board is for. The latter gets tiresome.

I haven't lambasted anyone for predicting a Seattle victory. I only get involved if someone makes posts that are not based on reality. then, I ask them to support it.

 
Speculation about the game coming up is one thing. Speculating on what might have happened in previous games is something different. The former is just fine, and what this board is for. The latter gets tiresome.
If you think the steeler posts aren't tiresome we're using different definitions of the word :D I'm also not sure why one type of speculation is okay and the other isn't (other then my theory that one is pro-steeler and the other isn't). As you say, speculation, abstraction, what ifs and predictions are what this board is about. If somebody chooses to speculate that the steelers will lose based on the idea that they aren't all that good having only gotten lucky through the playoffs then why is that any more tiresome then hearing that the steelers will win because of Roeth's completion percentage and yards per attempt? Both predictions are speculation based on past events and neither will occur during the game on sunday.

 
Speculation about the game coming up is one thing.  Speculating on what might have happened in previous games is something different.  The former is just fine, and what this board is for.  The latter gets tiresome.
If you think the steeler posts aren't tiresome we're using different definitions of the word :D I'm also not sure why one type of speculation is okay and the other isn't (other then my theory that one is pro-steeler and the other isn't). As you say, speculation, abstraction, what ifs and predictions are what this board is about. If somebody chooses to speculate that the steelers will lose based on the idea that they aren't all that good having only gotten lucky through the playoffs then why is that any more tiresome then hearing that the steelers will win because of Roeth's completion percentage and yards per attempt? Both predictions are speculation based on past events and neither will occur during the game on sunday.
I'd like to see how you'd react if people tried to devalue Seattle's wins by coming up with lame excuses. "Oh, Steve Smith's ankle was bothering him, that's the only reason they beat Carolina, or... the refs HANDED them that game against Washington." It would be garbage, and you'd know it.Speculate all you want on the outcome of the game coming up, but enough with Jake Plummer's flu, and Vanderjagt's miss, and Palmer's injury, and Harper's cut to the inside, etc.. etc.. etc.... they're all just convenient excuses. Bottom line : the Steelers easily outplayed all 3 teams they've beaten to get here, so stop chalking it up to luck already. Now, if you want to say you think Seattle will stomp them, fine. However, if you begin to make disparaging comments like "the Pittsburgh offense is an illusion"... then be prepared to back that opinion up with some facts or observations, that's all.

 
I have a feeling the Steelers are going to show up for BettisBowl and get punched in the mouth by a Seahawk team that showed up to play in the SuperBowl.

:)
So do all the Steelers fans.Why do you think they're so rabidly shifting between attack and defend modes? You can't make a pro-Seahawk or anti-Steeler comment without the steel militia jumping all over it and explaining how you are grossly mis-informed and/or just plain stupid.

You can almost smell the desperation and flop sweat through the screen...
:lmao: You mean, exactly what the Seahawks fans do when their team is questioned?

 
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