worth the read....thanksbryhamm said:
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Survivor Season 42: Starts Wednesday March 9, 2022 (2 Viewers)
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I know what he did to make her dislike him but every single day she mentioned he had to go, every day. Some people can put aside personal stuff for the game and some people can’t. I haven’t heard anyone say we can’t bring Johnathan to the final because everyone loves him and he’ll win so IMHO, she should have just let him continue to be her shield. Johnathan only won 1 of 5 single II challenges (Tori had 2 and Lindsay has 2) and he won the shared double II challenge because of his size since the waves were so huge. It was a red herring that Johnathan would win all II challenges.
She is in a bad position now and I do think wanting Johnathan to go badly clouded her judgement. She didn’t even dream that no one other than Omar would vote for Johnathan and she didn’t save Omar, her only ally when she could have guaranteed his safety.
That was interesting but I almost don’t believe it. He got caught in a lie by Johnathan and wanted Lindsay to use the idol but didn’t want her to use it to make them seem close? Either Lindsay and Omar were so oblivious that everyone else knew they were working together or this is some creative CYA to make it seem like he didn’t do something dumb like guarantee his safety. He even said it led to his demise so he had to have thought Johnathan being close to Mike would have been a big risk to him, again making it crazy to not use the idol.bryhamm said:
Seems like that would have been some interesting TV. The only reason I could see that edited out is because Maryanne is going to win the game and they didn’t want to make it seem like Johnathan had anything to do with sending Omar home. They still made it seem like Maryanne went off on her own to get Omar when that 3-2-2 vote was the correct strategy to both get rid of Omar if he plays the idol and get rid of Romeo as the backup if Omar plays the idol. I think Maryanne, Mike and Johnathan were in agreement on 3-2-2.
simey
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DropKick
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Revised favorites to win at this juncture?
1. Maryanne (Idol to F4; strategic move)
2. Mike (Idol to F4)
3. Jonathan (best bet at immunity)
4. Lindsay
5. Romeo (goat)
Seems like a given that Jonathan or Lindsay goes next. If neither wins immunity, which seems unlikely, I would take out Lindsay as the better social player.
1. Maryanne (Idol to F4; strategic move)
2. Mike (Idol to F4)
3. Jonathan (best bet at immunity)
4. Lindsay
5. Romeo (goat)
Seems like a given that Jonathan or Lindsay goes next. If neither wins immunity, which seems unlikely, I would take out Lindsay as the better social player.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Yeah that's pretty disappointing to read. They could have played that advantage up to add even more drama.
Credit to Maryanne, but also demerit for Lindsay. I didn't think her plan could work, because why would you not play the extra idol in that case. If that really was her reasoning (not wanting it back in play), that's pretty faulty and I would be furious as an ally partner if they gambled with my life in the game like that. Not much he could do about it mind you. I would feel better about Lindsay's choice if she comes out and says "Omar was too strong".
This has been a great season! Still leaning Lindsay as the best chance of winning.
DropKick
Footballguy
ETA: Big move up by Maryanne. One of my concerns for her was that a young person may not get the respect needed for jury votes from older players without some resume. That is a hurdle cleared. On the flip side, Lindsay slid by losing an ally, and the potential "prestige" of playing an idol for Omar. One could counter that losing a player of Omar's caliber was good for the field. However, with two idols still in play, this seemed like a bad outcome for Lindsay.
DropKick
Footballguy
Vendetta too strong a word but I think there was some fixation and it clouded her judgement.
Exactly, I never said vendetta. I said she focused on Johnathan to a fault and I also used that exact phrase, clouded her judgement. Focused to a fault means something bad happened she didn’t see coming because her focus was somewhere else. She was so happy she beat Johnathan that she just assumed all was well and Omar and her were good to go. Otherwise, no way does she not play the idol for Omar. Focused to a fault fits well. She had been wanting to get Johnathan off for weeks at this point and she mistakenly took her foot off the pedal.
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She was kind of in a no-win situation. Either she saves the biggest threat to win (possibly hurting her own chances of winning) or she loses her closest ally (and if she makes F3 has to explain to the jury why she didn't play an expiring idol). However, she did not know there were two other idols in play. She knew about Mike's idol but not Maryanne's (no one else knows about that one).
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Reminds me a bit of Fishbach's obsession with Joe in S31 -- and maybe even Liana's obsession with Xander in S41.
simey
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krista4
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I just watched two weeks' worth after being away on vacation, and 
At the very least, could we put away the garbage trope that "the producers want diversity over good players" now? I mean, mostly white seasons have led to great seasons and terrible seasons. And diverse seasons have likewise led to terrible seasons (last one) and...this. While I've watched every season, I'm not a student of the game like Pip or others. But I can't recall another season with so many fantastic players, be they physical threats or strategic threats or a combination of the two or whatever the hell Mike is. Without question one of my favorite seasons.
As for Lindsey and Jonathan (what's with the extra "h" in his name that some of you insist upon, by the way?), I see them as having been equally gunning for one another while equally respecting one another. It's a personal battle unlike any I remember, and absolutely compelling. Now that my man Omar is gone, I hope one of them will win, and I don't care which of them it is. The idea that Lindsey had an unfair "vendetta" against Jonathan is silly. They've both been equally interested in getting the other out due to their perceived - correctly - threat that the other is the only physical challenge to them. Watching them head to head and challenge by challenge is amazing.
Certainly see an easier path for Mike or Maryanne now, too, and I couldn't object to that either. "anyone but Romeo" is cool with me. Watching literally every player other than him thinking 3+ steps ahead, even if they're wrong in their thinking, has been fantastic.
At the very least, could we put away the garbage trope that "the producers want diversity over good players" now? I mean, mostly white seasons have led to great seasons and terrible seasons. And diverse seasons have likewise led to terrible seasons (last one) and...this. While I've watched every season, I'm not a student of the game like Pip or others. But I can't recall another season with so many fantastic players, be they physical threats or strategic threats or a combination of the two or whatever the hell Mike is. Without question one of my favorite seasons.
As for Lindsey and Jonathan (what's with the extra "h" in his name that some of you insist upon, by the way?), I see them as having been equally gunning for one another while equally respecting one another. It's a personal battle unlike any I remember, and absolutely compelling. Now that my man Omar is gone, I hope one of them will win, and I don't care which of them it is. The idea that Lindsey had an unfair "vendetta" against Jonathan is silly. They've both been equally interested in getting the other out due to their perceived - correctly - threat that the other is the only physical challenge to them. Watching them head to head and challenge by challenge is amazing.
Certainly see an easier path for Mike or Maryanne now, too, and I couldn't object to that either. "anyone but Romeo" is cool with me. Watching literally every player other than him thinking 3+ steps ahead, even if they're wrong in their thinking, has been fantastic.
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Among all-newbie seasons in the second half of the show's run, this is one of the best casts, along with Cagayan, Millenials vs. Gen X and David vs. Goliath.
The season has been fortunate with a good boot order, which was not the case with 41. The few duds in this cast went out premerge. Romeo is not a dud, he was a good player in the premerge but skeeved everyone out at the merge and has turned into a meme, which is fine from a TV-programming perspective.
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See how hard it is to keep track of everything you say? Now imagine trying to do that on an island for 26 to 39 days with little food and sleep.F me.
Much better than last year. The winner last year was terrible. Her tribe talked about losing on purpose just to get rid of her because she was annoying. They also had her pegged as the easy vote at the merge until she had the oh so difficult decision to save herself. I’ve never seen someone luck into not being a very early ousting because her team was solid at challenges and because of random immunity. She didn’t find anything or do great at anything. I minded the guy voted out coming back because he at least was the winner of all the votes out people and it wasn’t some random never seen before hourglass, hey you’re back in the game moment.
Even though some good players have already been voted out, everyone left has actually done something and not been carried by luck and yes, I am completely ignoring Romeo who we all know has a 0.0% chance of winning. I was actually wondering at times if he was even competing in the challenge.
Hah. I had to reply too many times about Lindsay and Johnathan! How many different ways can I say focused to a fault and emphasize it? I must have gotten all the way to V.See how hard it is to keep track of everything you say? Now imagine trying to do that on an island for 26 to 39 days with little food and sleep.
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Which is why last season's edit was one of the worst in the show's history. Most seasons, the edit gives viewers a good idea of why the winner won. Some seasons, the edit instead gives viewers a good idea of why the winner's main rival(s) lost (eg, Russell in S19 and Aubry in S32). The S41 edit did neither, and left most viewers baffled. I had to read/listen to the exit interviews to understand why the season played out as it did. And most people don't bother with that.
Even that didn’t bother me, all of that explaining was why she won and everyone that voted for her obviously had their reasons. I just disliked her because she was the bottom of her tribe and lucky they didn’t go to tribal and then she was the easy vote at the merge until that horrible twist saved her and she didn’t actually have to do anything for it. I’m not a fan of someone being handed their game changing advantage.
offdee
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I know it won't happen (and I still really can't stand her), but how great would it be if Maryanne made it to the final 2/3 and the second she was guaranteed that spot she just forced herself to completely change personalities into a quiet, observant, to the point, different vocal tone, straight faced, etc and used that as part of her speech in that this is actually her real personality and all of the over the top nonsense was an act to get to where she is now. I feel like the jury would be blown away in that moment and really make a statement.
I know it's basically impossible given the elements and stresses to keep it up but I always wanted someone to just pull a complete Kaiser Soze at the end where even the audience had no clue (they kept up the act during one on one interviews, etc). That person would instantly become a Survivor icon.
ETA: the shark play for this would be with someone with an over the top personality in real life (like Maryanne) and then ACT like the opposite for those final 3 days to pull this off. Versus acting like someone else for 30+ days and letting your true self out for the final 3 days. So, basically Maryanne is the perfect one to do this if she could actually pull that acting off for 3 days (which I'm 99.9% sure would be impossible for her)
I know it's basically impossible given the elements and stresses to keep it up but I always wanted someone to just pull a complete Kaiser Soze at the end where even the audience had no clue (they kept up the act during one on one interviews, etc). That person would instantly become a Survivor icon.
ETA: the shark play for this would be with someone with an over the top personality in real life (like Maryanne) and then ACT like the opposite for those final 3 days to pull this off. Versus acting like someone else for 30+ days and letting your true self out for the final 3 days. So, basically Maryanne is the perfect one to do this if she could actually pull that acting off for 3 days (which I'm 99.9% sure would be impossible for her)
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In Redemption Island (the season Boston Rob won), people thought Phillip, who acted like a complete lunatic, was going to tell the jury at FTC that it was all an act and he just did it to trick Rob to take him to the end. But instead he doubled down on the lunacy.
I think Maryanne has a good shot at winning regardless, especially if Lindsay is not sitting with her.
offdee
Footballguy
Yep, I distinctly remember that and thinking the same thing and how epic that would've been.
mr. furley
Footballguy
seems like a good egg, but holy #### do i not want to see him at tribal council.This is true. Mike does seem well liked and a truly nice guy. He doesn’t strike me as someone who can make a case at final council though. This also now makes me want to see the chaos that would be Maryanne at final council
Maryanne seems to be toning it down. or at least that's the camera edit. she's sure to be a crying mess if she gets to the final.
offdee
Footballguy
Yeah Mike's "speech" in the finals would be a disaster of roundabout overtalking and non-sensical anecdotes.
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Modern juries will destroy you if you talk about loyalty all the time but don’t actually play that way.
mr. furley
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DropKick
Footballguy
I just watched two weeks' worth after being away on vacation, and
At the very least, could we put away the garbage trope that "the producers want diversity over good players" now? I mean, mostly white seasons have led to great seasons and terrible seasons. And diverse seasons have likewise led to terrible seasons (last one) and...this. While I've watched every season, I'm not a student of the game like Pip or others. But I can't recall another season with so many fantastic players, be they physical threats or strategic threats or a combination of the two or whatever the hell Mike is. Without question one of my favorite seasons.
As for Lindsey and Jonathan (what's with the extra "h" in his name that some of you insist upon, by the way?), I see them as having been equally gunning for one another while equally respecting one another. It's a personal battle unlike any I remember, and absolutely compelling. Now that my man Omar is gone, I hope one of them will win, and I don't care which of them it is. The idea that Lindsey had an unfair "vendetta" against Jonathan is silly. They've both been equally interested in getting the other out due to their perceived - correctly - threat that the other is the only physical challenge to them. Watching them head to head and challenge by challenge is amazing.
Certainly see an easier path for Mike or Maryanne now, too, and I couldn't object to that either. "anyone but Romeo" is cool with me. Watching literally every player other than him thinking 3+ steps ahead, even if they're wrong in their thinking, has been fantastic.
I've found this cast likable and entertaining since the beginning but wouldn't call them "fantastic"... especially strategically. Agree that Omar was very, very good but after that it has been spotty.
Lindsay was targeting Jonathan (who said it was unfair?)... I don't thing he got into it until he sensed he'd lost an ally. Instead of the word vendetta, is "fixation" easier to accept? I think she has been focused on him and this has narrowed her vision.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Said this exact thing to my wife last week. Other than Romeo, there were a half-dozen completely deserving winners in the last seven. And the attitude is aces too. Great group of players.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'd kind of like to see a couple of these late challenges be legit brute-force type deals where Jonathan or Lindsey could make a run.
And it's been good for the game that someone like Jonathan was worth enough to keep around early again -- they'd gotten away from that in the last bunch of seasons. Maybe I'm spacing, but I can't remember anyone that was physical-first making a deep run in recent seasons.
And it's been good for the game that someone like Jonathan was worth enough to keep around early again -- they'd gotten away from that in the last bunch of seasons. Maybe I'm spacing, but I can't remember anyone that was physical-first making a deep run in recent seasons.
Runkle
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Ditto to great, engaging, fun cast to watch. Whoever set this season up really hit it out of the park with this group. So much better than some of those middle years full of forgettable people... sometimes I read something about former players and so many who went deep, even to the finals, are forgettable. Not this group.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
smart move by maryanne by not playing it for the person she was going to play it for. Noone would have beaten them. *trying not to spoil here.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
on paper it should be mike but ive seen better fall apart in the final tribal. You have to be able to explain it.If Mike doesn't win this the season is a joke.
Romeo's only talk is he won the last challenge while tagging along the other 23 days.
Maryanne made one move, otherwise tagged along as well.
Mike worked his butt off from day one.
snogger
Footballguy
Based on the pre-tribal interviews with the jury, it seems most are leaning towards Marryanne.. Just have this feeling that's the winner.. Nice girl, but being nice shouldn't be the winning resume for this game..
Mike was a
at times, but had a great social game, and that is what it is about.
Mike was a
at times, but had a great social game, and that is what it is about.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Mike crumbled in the final tribal. No matter how great a game you have to close it out. Maryanne closed it out.Based on the pre-tribal interviews with the jury, it seems most are leaning towards Marryanne.. Just have this feeling that's the winner.. Nice girl, but being nice shouldn't be the winning resume for this game..
Mike was a
James Bond
Footballguy
After watching all 42 seasons, I must say these last two seasons have been a huge disappointment. This new style of game has way too many goofy advantages, idols, and just plain stupid twists. Yes, like the hourglass. I think these are the two least deserving winners ever. Maybe it's the fault of the better players try to take a goat to the end and then be beat by them. This season there were much better players on the jury than in the final three. If they continue this style of game, it will be interesting to see if players change their approach after seeing what happened these two seasons. It will also be interesting to see if Survivor continues to put out the types of players that they chose for these two seasons.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Maryanne's answers at final jury were stellar. That was the difference.
The General
Footballguy
Mike still eating pizza.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I was thinking about this and reading some reactions online. Has there been a better final tribal execution? Some people were saying that the final tribal was actually her best move. If hers wasn’t the best it’s too 3 for sure.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Not sure we've ever seen a bigger reaction from a jury then when Maryanne pulled out that idol. Kudos to her....she dominated that final TC. Now....did she actually have that whole strategy about locking in all the various top 4 options planned out? (Rather than just making it up prior to final TC?) Who knows. But the jury bought it....so congrats.
Mike did an absolutely horrible job addressing questions and explaining his strategy. Didn't deserve to win based on that. If you can't sell it... it doesn't matter what you did in the game.
Hate that we got another winner that....let's be honest....coasted for 80% of the game. Her defining characteristic was how annoying she was right up until the Omer vote. She made a good move late and sold her resume at the end, but I much prefer players that are grinding from day 1. I thought Mike played an incredibly well rounded game. But the late vote outs got burned by him telling everyone what they wanted to hear and then he didn't own it/explain it enough at the end.
And yeah.....for the love of god....fewest twists PLEASE
Mike did an absolutely horrible job addressing questions and explaining his strategy. Didn't deserve to win based on that. If you can't sell it... it doesn't matter what you did in the game.
Hate that we got another winner that....let's be honest....coasted for 80% of the game. Her defining characteristic was how annoying she was right up until the Omer vote. She made a good move late and sold her resume at the end, but I much prefer players that are grinding from day 1. I thought Mike played an incredibly well rounded game. But the late vote outs got burned by him telling everyone what they wanted to hear and then he didn't own it/explain it enough at the end.
And yeah.....for the love of god....fewest twists PLEASE
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Footballguy
Exactly. I believe those who acknowledged they came in leaning Mike and switched to Maryanne. Answers immediately after the vote are going to be more honest than answers given almost a year later in LA after the cast has seen the edit and the reaction to the season on social media.
Mike failed to own his game. That didn't work for Amanda in S15 and S16, it didn't work for Coach in S23 and it didn't work here. Especially when that is combined with an outstanding FTC from someone else, it's a losing recipe.
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Todd in S15 is the only one I can think of that might have been better. And like Maryanne, he made the jury change their minds due to his FTC performance (most of that season's jurors were planning to vote Amanda). That rarely happens -- most of the time most jurors have already made up their minds and don't change them, such as last season with Erika.
Mjolnirs
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Jayrok
Footballguy
Maryanne deserved the win. I believe if she gives Lindsey her idol, Lindsey wins. Kudos to her for recognizing that and having the ability to explain her game play at FT.
Mike got lost in the shuffle at the final tribal. Romeo never had a chance but he did a decent job at trying to muster an explanation of his game.
Disappointing end to Jonathan's game. He had 2 chances against weaker opponents to secure his spot in the final 3. Mike dominated him in the fire challenge.
It doesn't matter though, as there was no way Jonathan would have won over Maryanne last night.
Mike got lost in the shuffle at the final tribal. Romeo never had a chance but he did a decent job at trying to muster an explanation of his game.
Disappointing end to Jonathan's game. He had 2 chances against weaker opponents to secure his spot in the final 3. Mike dominated him in the fire challenge.
It doesn't matter though, as there was no way Jonathan would have won over Maryanne last night.
offdee
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Every single one of your posts has a built in Spoiler Alert that you can scroll down to. Shark move.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Yea i think out of the final group only Omar and Lindsay beats Maryanne. But she was responsible for ousting them both.
And like many have complained about she kept her idol a secret and that was key in her end game. She navigated that very well.
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