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I think for Jonathan to have won you would need Romeo and another poor player and you would then need him to have an amazing final tribal and then to be really bad.
They also could have edited her to be worse than she may have been early on. But i think she probably calmed down as she got comfortable.
Yeah, I think it's probably a combo of both. She's really probably somewhere in the middle At the beginning they edited her with every one of her over the top cringe moments. At the end they edited her with every one of her savvy moments. They probably did the editing on purpose like that knowing she ultimately won...like the nerdy kid who gets a superpower and slowly turns into a superhero.
I wonder if it had to do with the lower energy level that affects everyone as they progress through the game. Most people go from a normal level of energy/enthusiasm to a depleted one. Maybe Maryanne went from an excessive level to a normal one.
so you think the jury decided based on her race and not how she dominated the final tribal?
Jonathan said this in his exit interview. He was extremely worn down energy wise by the end. I bet they all were.
Read what I wrote again. I said she swayed at jury enough to make it logical to choose her. They wanted her to be their vote but couldn’t justify it until her rationale. Then it made it easy to switch.
Im pretty sure they all wanted Mike to be the vote but he couldnt own his game. And Maryanne didnt sway the jury "just enough" she completely owned that final tribal. One of the best showings in a final tribal as well. She deserved that win.
This is a way oversimplified way to look at things, and is frankly disrespectful to the jury.
A majority raised their hands saying they were coming in thinking they were voting for Mike.
I'm saying coming into final 3 tribal, yeah why wouldn't they assume it was Mike....the other 2 were Romeo and Maryanne and by all accounts of what they knew neither of them did much of anything. So, many of them probably wanted Maryanne based on the woke black factor, but there was just no logical justification for it at that time to not have their vote looked at like a woke joke.
Does this line of thinking also translate to white players winning on “non woke” seasons? Just curious.
Not sure I understand your question. There's never been a tribal dedicated to focusing on how white people don't get a fair shake and others gang up on them because of the color of their skin with idols being played unnecessarily to make a statement of solidarity.
Not a fan of quotas myself... although one would expect more excitement when people have opposing perspectives, such as young/old, etc.
I've had a strong suspicion all season that Maryanne may have ADHD. My daughter has it, and as a result, I'm around other kids who have it too. She shares many similar traits. I don't know, and have not looked, to see if she's been diagnosed, and I don't know if there are past instances of contestants who have ADHD and are unable to access their medication (Adderall, Ritalin, etc.). I know when my daughter forgets to take her medication. My wife and I just look at each other, knowingly.
Who in the cast said that? At tribal, they said they came in thinking of voting for Mike. That's why I asked the question.
I'm certain her race wasn't a factor. She was a worthy winner.
I distinctly remember 1 or 2 of them in a one on one when they were reviewing the finalist said "really want it to be Maryanne". But in general, nobody is going to come straight out and say "I'm gonna vote for Maryanne because she's black and female and I want it to be a statement". What I said was of course they said they were leaning towards Mike because the jury looked at Romeo and Maryanne as floating goats so it was only logical to think it would be Mike. But when Maryanne broke out her silent idol and how she planned to utilize it, then that gave them a reason to switch the vote to her.
I'm sure not sleeping, being cold in the rain, and lack of food sucked out some of the energy. Also, Omar told her she played a sloppy social game early on, and she said she became aware of that at the fake merge. She may have simmered her emotions down some once she realized it, and that may have been why she mellowed some (her mellowness is equivalent to someone's normal energy).
Couldn't agree more. I don't think Jonathan was ever "cringy" and complaints about him using the word "aggressive" are nonsense as well as Lindsay's accusation that he turned on her. Why does he have to excuse his action of not telling Lindsay their plans when she was clearly against him? Bizarre take...
So you think Jonathan telling Drea she was being aggressive at tribal council was accurate?
There is at least one. Christina from S24 (One World) was not allowed to have her ADHD medication because a side effect was that it functioned as an appetite suppressant, which production determined would give her an unfair advantage. I haven't watched that season because I've heard it's terrible, but my understanding is that she acted like a zombie much of the time.
I think it's impossible to answer this question without seeing the unedited conversation. The version that we saw didn't make it look like she was being aggressive.
I just watched it last night for the first time and I don't remember a single person saying that. I remember Drea said she really liked Maryanne, but that wasn't enough to vote for her. I could be wrong though..maybe somebody did. Will try to rewatch a bit. But I do know Jeff asked the group- who came in thinking they were voting for Mike- most of them raised their hands...I don't remember anybody who didn't to be honest.
Ok so what’s your point? You’re basically proving what I’m saying. They all came in expecting to vote for Mike. That all easily changed after some fancy secret idol reveal. If you don’t think there’s some underlying thought of “wanting” Maryanne to win it based on a big part of this seasons “moment” then not sure what to tell ya.
I'm watching the show and don't see the contestants saying it. You keep saying they are. I keep saying I haven't seen or heard it except from you. So after three rounds of this where you haven't pointed to any of them saying it...that seems to be your agenda. Not sure why that's the case.
None of them are gonna say to the cameras that they want the black woman to win without any merit. I said what you said about Drea “liking” her (aka I want her to win but can’t vote without some game to her resume). The whole jury doesn’t flip their vote like that by a speech without some underlying “want” for it to go that way.
Again, you are displaying a tremendous disrespect to the jury and an overly simplistic view of the season and show.
I think you're underestimating what Maryanne did in the final two episodes. She was key in ousting Omar. She seemed to be on the fence regarding Lindsay and, per the edit, that was Romeo's call. However, "taking" Mike's idol was pivotal. I commented when Mike played it for her that it would blow up on him and could make for a final tribal revelation that suggests she outplayed him.
Cmon my man. I love the passive aggressive question asking. I’m not in the least bit racist (many black friends), but I am a realist. There is a HUGE focus in recent years on racism relating to intent against African Americans in these types of shows (casting, winning, etc). That’s not the case for whites. I’m focusing specifically on this season, the focus the black women themselves in the game made it a point to highlight and how that would sway comments and opinions on this season. Thats it.
I’m not calling you racist first off. And I’m sure you have all the black friends. I’m simply clarifying what you are saying so that i understand.
Because historically the cast was majority white, so just using statistics alone there was a much greater chance of a white person winning (that doesn't make the cast's racist, it's just numbers given to them to play the game).
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Yes, it is amazing. Everything I said is stone cold accurate. Actually watch the scene again. When was the last survivor to say "I'm pissed and "F that"? Your definition of pleasant?
So you think a more diverse cast is a good thing but in the same breath that if someone from that diverse part of the cast is there the jury and show will favor them just because of their race? And if the jury were to favor a black player just because of their race, why couldnt/wouldnt a jury favor a white players just because of their race in prior years? Again i'm just to just trying to follow your line of thinking here.offdee said:
