BigJim®
Footballguy
Not to quibble, but are you making the case that it is possibly good fortune for Tiffany, or good strategy by Evvie/Liana for their game?
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Survivor Season 42: Starts Wednesday March 9, 2022 (1 Viewer)
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El Floppo
Footballguy
Tiffany is horrible. That point can't be emphasized enough.
But my point was responding to featured people in the first two eps being probable winners. That's not always the case.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Ahh, ok maybe you misdirected your reply to my earlier post, because I did not speak to that.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Looks like you're right- sorry!
But still need to re-emphasize just how terrible the math teacher is. Which means she probably goes all the way.
TLEF316
Footballguy
It certainly gets repetitive at times, but its their best bet for challenges that give everyone a reasonably fair shot (since it incorporates physical and mental skills as well as teamwork).
The team challenges are always repetitive. Just the nature of the game. They usually find more interesting things to do once we get to the individual game.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I miss some of the pure physical ones where they matched up like-size folks. I remember the platform wrestling one where you have to knock the other person into the water, for example.
rick6668
Footballguy
I would like a round or two where the three teams compete for immunity, the losing tribe has to compete in an individual challenge where the other tribes get to watch. The person finishing last is out. No voting.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Did you have that idea before, or was that prompted by watching 2 episodes of Tiffany?
Runkle
Footballguy
Thank god not this season again, for sure. If they ever do that again I think the fans would burn down CBS studios.The winner isn't the first one voted out.
rick6668
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
These girls in the one tribe aren't smart. Xander killed himself by telling people he found an idol. How Tiffany is still here after 2 episodes is an abomination here. She should've been voted out over the Cyber Security dude so the tribe could be stronger. I could tell from the first challenge alone that tribe was in a lot of trouble. I still think Xander ends up in the final 5 at the very least somehow.
Nasser has grown on me from the first episode. Not sure if it's his story or the fact he's a pretty genuine guy.
Wonder how long they are gonna do the 2 or 3 different people going to the summit and turning the wheel to protect or risk their vote. Eventually everyone is gonna know what it is exactly.
JD is still annoying.
Nasser has grown on me from the first episode. Not sure if it's his story or the fact he's a pretty genuine guy.
Wonder how long they are gonna do the 2 or 3 different people going to the summit and turning the wheel to protect or risk their vote. Eventually everyone is gonna know what it is exactly.
JD is still annoying.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Everyone on the blue and yellow tribes already knows what it is exactly, because Danny and Xander told the full story about it. And the green tribe has a good idea, because JD's story was mostly true.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
According to Voce's exit press, everyone from the tribe was talking about this openly. In superfan parlance it's called The Intentional Matsing, after what Denise and Malcolm accomplished in S25 after their starting tribe lost the first 4 challenges.Pip's Invitation said:
The problem is that it's silly for five people to talk about doing an Intentional Matsing, because by necessity it requires three of them to leave early.
That's how weird things are on that tribe.
He also said there was only about 10 minutes between Evvie returning and everyone leaving for tribal, so Evvie didn't have enough time to talk Tiffany out of her paranoia.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
You know what would be interesting? Eliminating the smallest tribe left after X amount of challenges. That would certainly make tribes think twice about only playing social game moving forward, even if CBS just did it once. Just send the four smarty-pants home en masse!
She’s awful. I loved when she said I probably only cost my team a minute or two. Lol. It’s hard to be so physically inept and dumb/socially inept and yet act like you are good at both phases of the game.DropKick said:
At least it looks like that one girl seems to have realized that she made a mistake keeping Tiffany. There’s dragging someone inept to the end of the game because you can beat her, but most times if they are that annoying and inept, they never make it close and they drag you down with them.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I noticed later during the puzzle making part of the challenge, she was yelling at her team mates working on the puzzle. Dont recall the words, but didn't strike me as "you got this!" support yelling, struck me as "let's go- hurry up!". Ironical.
There are people who are delusional about one thing or another, but she is truly delusional about everything. In her mind, she had a small impact on the results and that normally she would do better. She probably thinks that her team did have enough puzzle time. Maybe she can beat her kindergartners at physical games at recess, but that’s not the same.
She did have one moment of a hey, I hope I’m not doing something stupid to get voted off. Based on what we saw, I wonder if she was thinking that voting for Xander was a mistake and that was her ahah moment that they should vote for Voce. I think that since she was then so adamant about Xander having an idol.
I will really enjoy that girl who voted with them realizing she messed up her game sticking with Tiffany. Those are some of the best moments when a person realizes they screwed up badly and they are still on the show, versus a pure blindside but now they are gone.
bryhamm
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
He wouldnt. But what he can and likely will do is try to tell someone about it and to go find it. They had a similar twist on another survivor.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Bag of thoughts now that I caught up and watched episode 2.
I don't mind the diverse cast at all. I think it gives those players more options for once which is a good switch from the typical season tbh. The ship of Burnett's cast by filling every character trait bucket (and often standard stereotyping) has well sailed.
Curious if any would-be players self-selected out by refusing to get vaxxed but that is neither here nor there.
It's almost always better when they have 0 or maybe just 1 mactor in the cast and this season bears that out imo.
That said it is pretty awesome that they managed to cast some people who are comically bad at strategy. Xander boneheadedly announces he has no vote and then Tiffany out-awfuls him and basically saves him with her paranoia. I get that the other 2 women could have just voted Xander out anyway but burning Tiff in that way could lead to a 2-2 vote next time out. Did they clarify if Xander cannot even do his dice roll since he has no vote? If not he totally needs to roll the bones next loss.
Brad basically announcing that he was going to go spy on the other two guys was next-level stupid but kinda seems to be his brand.
The 3-way idol thing is a solid concept but the secret phrases are wayyyyyy too goofy and convoluted. It would have been better to have it be like a two-word unique phrase like "praying mantis" or "merry go round" - something that can be worked in organically but becomes a little more sus as things go on.
I find it funny how straightforward and honest they have been about the secret trips. The producers seem to like having players work with differing levels of information but the chattiness (and honesty) of these players seems to be wreaking a little havoc with that.
-QG
I don't mind the diverse cast at all. I think it gives those players more options for once which is a good switch from the typical season tbh. The ship of Burnett's cast by filling every character trait bucket (and often standard stereotyping) has well sailed.
Curious if any would-be players self-selected out by refusing to get vaxxed but that is neither here nor there.
It's almost always better when they have 0 or maybe just 1 mactor in the cast and this season bears that out imo.
That said it is pretty awesome that they managed to cast some people who are comically bad at strategy. Xander boneheadedly announces he has no vote and then Tiffany out-awfuls him and basically saves him with her paranoia. I get that the other 2 women could have just voted Xander out anyway but burning Tiff in that way could lead to a 2-2 vote next time out. Did they clarify if Xander cannot even do his dice roll since he has no vote? If not he totally needs to roll the bones next loss.
Brad basically announcing that he was going to go spy on the other two guys was next-level stupid but kinda seems to be his brand.
The 3-way idol thing is a solid concept but the secret phrases are wayyyyyy too goofy and convoluted. It would have been better to have it be like a two-word unique phrase like "praying mantis" or "merry go round" - something that can be worked in organically but becomes a little more sus as things go on.
I find it funny how straightforward and honest they have been about the secret trips. The producers seem to like having players work with differing levels of information but the chattiness (and honesty) of these players seems to be wreaking a little havoc with that.
-QG
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
This season was filmed in March/April and S42 shortly thereafter. I don't think there was a vax requirement for those because vaxxes weren't readily available for everyone when they were planning for those seasons. I would not be surprised if there were vax requirements for S43 and onward. I believe there are requirements for the other typical vaccinations.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The casting approach changed a lot starting with S39 after Lynne Spillman, who had been casting director for the show's entire run, lost a power struggle with Jeff and was fired. She loved casting mactors and other young good-looking people who had the potential for showmances, while Jeff was more interested in people who know the game and have strong personalities. She did not like to cast married people under 30 because she wanted those people to have potential for showmances; she didn't want to cast Angelina for S37 for that reason and Jeff overruled her. Ghost Island (S36) was full of mactors who had no idea what they were doing, and it was awful (except for Chris Noble, who was comedy gold).
But just because they are casting more superfans does not mean they're mostly casting logical gamebots. They definitely seem to try to find people who are chatty and/or lack self-awareness. And of course people think less clearly when they have less food, and there is even less food than usual on this season.
jhib
Footballguy
It would also (I think) make it more likely that the first person to find it at each of the other camps takes the risk of accepting it, knowing going in what the risk is and that at least one other person has already accepted it.
But I wonder if there was a rule against announcing it broadly to everyone at a challenge.
jhib
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
probably not. But in the other season i saw that did this the person sneakily told somone on the other tribe about it. There is actually a really cool spoiler on how they executed on it too but i wont say it in case anyone watches this season.
Mile High
Footballguy
If it's the season I saw the person who did it might possibly be one of the best survivor players I have ever seen. Xander isn't.
rustycolts
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
It's my favorite survivor-related term. Had to carry it over from the Survivor Sucks board :lbf:
-QG
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
hahaha i agree completely. Hes probably the best ive seen play it. Dude was ruthless, had the social and a comp beast. bring him to US!!!!
This is my vote for the biggest strategy mistake that is made during every season of Survivor. Teams don't seem to understand the concept that if you don't lose the challenge you don't have to vote anyone out and at this early stage of the game it really doesn't help you to try and get "strong players" out of the game for later. There is plenty of time to get out strong players so why sabotage the biggest advantage of the early game which is having your tribe win challenges and avoiding tribal council.
Players on teams that win challenges and avoid tribal councils always go fairly far in the game because the don't risk getting voted out early and they get to develop relationships within their tribe which then gives them a big advantage once the merge or tribe changes happen.
I just don't understand why nobody seems to be able to figure this out. Targeting strong players early is a death blow to your tribe which means you are in danger. Keeping them around does good things for you in a lot of ways. It helps you tribe at challenges and it gives a big target for people to vote out once the merge happens. There is no reason to target strong players until after the merge when you are down to the jury players being left.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I think part of this is the "meta" of Survivor has come more into play as the show has cast more superfans. Pretty much everyone on the cast has a good idea of when a swap is coming and when the merge is coming, and thus don't expect to be in their current configurations for very long, leading to decisions like what we've seen from the yellow tribe. It's also why Chris Underwood got booted third in S38 (before coming back from EOE to win).
On this season, however, I wonder if these "summits" are a way of forging cross-tribal alliances without swaps. We'll see.
Even if they merge or reshuffle tribes early it still makes no sense to vote out your tribes best players to weaken your tribe for challenges. If you don't go to tribal you don't risk being booted. Survival is the most important thing and having a strong tribe is the easiest way to "survive". There is plenty of time to get strong players out as the game progresses. You shouldn't do it from day 1.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
This is what Anthony said in the first episode and in his pre-game content. And he was the first boot.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I think it often comes down to when your team loses, you look around and see where you are in the placement. If you are the weakest player on a team (e.g. Tiffany), you are definitely going to say "we need to kill the stronger players for later in the game" for self survival. It's easy for these teams to identify players who are weak, form an alliance with them, then find the borderline person to bring them to their side. It's definitely a very poor team strategy and also not a great individual strategy, but it may be the only strategy that gets you to the next day if you are a weaker player. Survive and advance.
I suppose you are correct from the weak player perspective it is just amazing that so many people go along with it. Get rid of the people preventing your team from winning immunity and you don't have to risk getting voted out so soon.
It seems like someone should try it just once but maybe it is a function of why the team is losing in the first place. The teams that would have that mentality might already be a better team and thus win in the first place so don't have to make that decision. The weaker tribes with no leadership and terrible challenge players are already disorganized and fractured so it's easy for the weak players to increase that fracture and vote off the strong players which perpetuates the losing and the cycle continues. It might be a chicken and egg thing....hahaa
yak651
Footballguy
Agree a fail by them, but actually smart to note vote Xander. Since he was honest and told them he has no vote until the others find the idol, they can drag him along and know he can’t vote against them
yak651
Footballguy
The fail was to note vote useless Tiffany that can’t scooch her way across a beam with becoming exhausted
Worm
slimy ninja
Yeah, unless they win a challenge or two or he gets a successful call and response to activate the immunity. Then he is big man on campus and they are ####ed for screwing him over.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i'd just assumed it was a term he made up that only he used
like trying to make fetch happen
DJackson10
Footballguy
I would suspect the usual Vaxxes for traveling outside of the stats plus said sites they are at required. The thing is some of those Anti Vaxxers would get vaccinated because if they can get picked it strokes their ego and gives them a bigger platform if they are popular enough character.
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