T.O at #30 overall deserves a serious lashing (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

I don't like TO.

I don't like TO either. But I'm sure glad he lasted to the third round in my local redraft league.

I don't like TO either. But I WISH he lasted to the third round in my local redraft league.

 

[Raiders Fan]

9 7 9 14 3

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Horn's and Owens's ranks at the end of hte past five years.  Close enough to call them fairly similar.  Given the lack of any significant change for Horn and the offseason distractions for Owens, I don't think it's unreasonable to put Horn in front of Owens.  Sure, his ceiling is probably lower, but his floor is probably higher.

Personally, I have them Moss-Holt-CJohnson-Harrison-Horn-Owens-Walker... then a huge dropoff.  The order in that tier can change, but I don't have a problem with anyone mixing those seven guys around.

This needs to be framed for futher laughing..

 

[Marc Levin]

9 7 9 14 3

3 2 2 12 4

Horn's and Owens's ranks at the end of hte past five years.  Close enough to call them fairly similar.  Given the lack of any significant change for Horn and the offseason distractions for Owens, I don't think it's unreasonable to put Horn in front of Owens.  Sure, his ceiling is probably lower, but his floor is probably higher.

Personally, I have them Moss-Holt-CJohnson-Harrison-Horn-Owens-Walker... then a huge dropoff.  The order in that tier can change, but I don't have a problem with anyone mixing those seven guys around.

This needs to be framed for futher laughing..

????nothing funny there except, imo, walker being discussed among the others.

 

[Raiders Fan]

9 7 9 14 3

3 2 2 12 4

Horn's and Owens's ranks at the end of hte past five years.  Close enough to call them fairly similar.  Given the lack of any significant change for Horn and the offseason distractions for Owens, I don't think it's unreasonable to put Horn in front of Owens.  Sure, his ceiling is probably lower, but his floor is probably higher.

Personally, I have them Moss-Holt-CJohnson-Harrison-Horn-Owens-Walker... then a huge dropoff.  The order in that tier can change, but I don't have a problem with anyone mixing those seven guys around.

This needs to be framed for futher laughing..

????nothing funny there except, imo, walker being discussed among the others.

Owens that far down isn't funny?? He is the top WR in the game and people panicked in preseason.. Sometimes drafting with sharks is funny as hell cause they blow a lot out of proportion. Tell me you would take those 5 above Owens. As I told Tick.. You take Horn I'll take Owens lets see who wins.. Right now its not even close...

 

[Tick]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

 

[JAA]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

 

[Bird Dog]

Although this has recently turned to an attack on Chase (a justified one IMO b/c of his comments), the original post was critical of the whole staff for the FBG rankings that were published at the time.  TO at #30 overall and WR#8 at the time of the post was ridiculous and needed to be discussed - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the rankings . . . hence the post.  This isn't a hindsight test, the original post was pre-season.

David Dodds does the "official" FBGuy rankings.You can still locate individual staff members' preseason rankings if you are a subscriber.

How so...I tried yesterday and the page came up saying no rankings in the last 7 days and I didn't see an option to adjust the # of days.

 

[GibbyGarcia]

Although this has recently turned to an attack on Chase (a justified one IMO b/c of his comments), the original post was critical of the whole staff for the FBG rankings that were published at the time. TO at #30 overall and WR#8 at the time of the post was ridiculous and needed to be discussed - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the rankings . . . hence the post. This isn't a hindsight test, the original post was pre-season.

I'm a little confused here. Did the NFL play 12 more games while I was at work today?I quit reading all the comments after 3 pages, but I'm curious why JAA and others are so supremely confident in their decision after 4 weeks of the season.

I saw it the same way Chase did. Owens is a shady character with an injury and lots of baggage (at the end of August). I think I had him around 7 or 8 on my WR sheet as well. Am I surprised that he is having a breakout season? Not in the least. But I think to pass off the concern that he was potentially disruptive enough to cause team issues, prior overall lack of a full season-usually when you need your #1 most -weeks 15 and 16, and an already pulled groin, made TO a greater risk than others. I'm glad you have a "ballsout" strategy, but many don't. I prefer to look at the entire picture and take someone I think has a great chance of a full season of success. I leverage great risks once my #1,2 RB and #1WR are already on my team. So I missed out on Owens. But he's hardly the only receiver having a good season. I have Marvin, Steve Smith and Kennison. I'm doing just fine.

It's a little early to be declaring your strategy a raging success, why don't we wait 6 or 8 more weeks and see how that goes.

 

[GATZ]

I'm not going to get into this anymore for a few reasons, chief among them being I'm just not very interested in this.

If I thought Owens had an 80% chace of scoring 250 points and a 20% chance of scoring 0 points (I'm making these numbers up), that would mean his expected value was 200 points. If TO goes out and gets 250 points, that doesn't make my projection wrong; rather something that I expected to happen 80% of the time didn't happen during one NFL season. Like I said, just not very interesting IMO.

Your math is flawed. If it was an "all or nothing" scenario, you can't take the average. It's one or the other - no middle ground there.

 

[The Duff Man]

His schedule has been cupcake.....glad I have him in 3 of 4 leagues

 

[Raiders Fan]

Although this has recently turned to an attack on Chase (a justified one IMO b/c of his comments), the original post was critical of the whole staff for the FBG rankings that were published at the time.  TO at #30 overall and WR#8 at the time of the post was ridiculous and needed to be discussed - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the rankings . . . hence the post.  This isn't a hindsight test, the original post was pre-season.

It's a little early to be declaring your strategy a raging success, why don't we wait 6 or 8 more weeks and see how that goes.

You know it is early but the worry wasn't about his talent it was his situation.. Waitng 6-8 weeks more you think he is all of a sudden going to bust?? this isn't a breakout player we talking about.. Its one of the top WR in the game... Proving that no matter what his relationship is with McNabb he will be a stud.. He wants to win regardless.

 

[Tick]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

Are you honestly saying that you thought Burress was a STUD before the season, or are you just taking this opportunity to point out that you picked the right late-round WR this season? Something makes me doubt you had him projected for 1200/8, which is about what it takes to be considered a stud WR. 1000/7 would be a gutsy call and it might be what you predicted, but that's not a stud - it's Rod/Jimmy Smith.

 

[JAA]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

Are you honestly saying that you thought Burress was a STUD before the season, or are you just taking this opportunity to point out that you picked the right late-round WR this season? Something makes me doubt you had him projected for 1200/8, which is about what it takes to be considered a stud WR. 1000/7 would be a gutsy call and it might be what you predicted, but that's not a stud - it's Rod/Jimmy Smith.

I did not project him 1200/8 or even 1000/7. I didnt get him in any redraft leagues (EDIT: I did get him in one auction league). However, in my dynasty leagues, I actively tried to acquire him just like I actively tried to acquire TO last season. I did this because I felt his value was low for how he would do this season. I projectted him (and posted here) he would be a great WR2/3. My feeling was Toomer was done and Eli would increase his passing yards for this season. I felt if anyone was going to get the touches in NY it would be Plax. Also, I liked what I saw out of Plax last season with Big Ben if it matters.I traded Moss/Dillon for KJones/Burress/Caddie (1.02 pick) in a partial keeper league. This was the only league I was able to acquire Burress in.

This is one of my projections that was on (sans KJones). I have a few that were off, but needless to say I liked my Plax pick.

Side Note - Ive historically been good with predicting QB and WR success, much less with RB success.

 

[Tick]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

Are you honestly saying that you thought Burress was a STUD before the season, or are you just taking this opportunity to point out that you picked the right late-round WR this season? Something makes me doubt you had him projected for 1200/8, which is about what it takes to be considered a stud WR. 1000/7 would be a gutsy call and it might be what you predicted, but that's not a stud - it's Rod/Jimmy Smith.

I did not project him 1200/8 or even 1000/7. I didnt get him in any redraft leagues (EDIT: I did get him in one auction league). However, in my dynasty leagues, I actively tried to acquire him just like I actively tried to acquire TO last season. I did this because I felt his value was low for how he would do this season. I projectted him (and posted here) he would be a great WR2/3. My feeling was Toomer was done and Eli would increase his passing yards for this season. I felt if anyone was going to get the touches in NY it would be Plax. Also, I liked what I saw out of Plax last season with Big Ben if it matters.I traded Moss/Dillon for KJones/Burress/Caddie (1.02 pick) in a partial keeper league. This was the only league I was able to acquire Burress in.

This is one of my projections that was on (sans KJones). I have a few that were off, but needless to say I liked my Plax pick.

Side Note - Ive historically been good with predicting QB and WR success, much less with RB success.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Calling him a stud before this season would have been an amazing call that I doubt anyone really made.I've been historically very good with QBs and WRs, but really suck this year with WRs. Evans, Lelie, Caldwell, McCareins are on a lot of my teams...

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

Are you honestly saying that you thought Burress was a STUD before the season, or are you just taking this opportunity to point out that you picked the right late-round WR this season? Something makes me doubt you had him projected for 1200/8, which is about what it takes to be considered a stud WR. 1000/7 would be a gutsy call and it might be what you predicted, but that's not a stud - it's Rod/Jimmy Smith.

I did not project him 1200/8 or even 1000/7. I didnt get him in any redraft leagues (EDIT: I did get him in one auction league). However, in my dynasty leagues, I actively tried to acquire him just like I actively tried to acquire TO last season. I did this because I felt his value was low for how he would do this season. I projectted him (and posted here) he would be a great WR2/3. My feeling was Toomer was done and Eli would increase his passing yards for this season. I felt if anyone was going to get the touches in NY it would be Plax. Also, I liked what I saw out of Plax last season with Big Ben if it matters.I traded Moss/Dillon for KJones/Burress/Caddie (1.02 pick) in a partial keeper league. This was the only league I was able to acquire Burress in.

This is one of my projections that was on (sans KJones). I have a few that were off, but needless to say I liked my Plax pick.

Side Note - Ive historically been good with predicting QB and WR success, much less with RB success.

Money where your mouth is time: give us some young QB and WR that have yet to emerge.

 

[JAA]

Someone piqued my interested again. When did Burress become a stud?

Last week. Not so useful around draft time.Slight edit on the quote.

Not in my "risky" book. I targetted him in every dynasty league I could when he signed to the Giants.

Are you honestly saying that you thought Burress was a STUD before the season, or are you just taking this opportunity to point out that you picked the right late-round WR this season? Something makes me doubt you had him projected for 1200/8, which is about what it takes to be considered a stud WR. 1000/7 would be a gutsy call and it might be what you predicted, but that's not a stud - it's Rod/Jimmy Smith.

I did not project him 1200/8 or even 1000/7. I didnt get him in any redraft leagues (EDIT: I did get him in one auction league). However, in my dynasty leagues, I actively tried to acquire him just like I actively tried to acquire TO last season. I did this because I felt his value was low for how he would do this season. I projectted him (and posted here) he would be a great WR2/3. My feeling was Toomer was done and Eli would increase his passing yards for this season. I felt if anyone was going to get the touches in NY it would be Plax. Also, I liked what I saw out of Plax last season with Big Ben if it matters.I traded Moss/Dillon for KJones/Burress/Caddie (1.02 pick) in a partial keeper league. This was the only league I was able to acquire Burress in.

This is one of my projections that was on (sans KJones). I have a few that were off, but needless to say I liked my Plax pick.

Side Note - Ive historically been good with predicting QB and WR success, much less with RB success.

Money where your mouth is time: give us some young QB and WR that have yet to emerge.

For dynasty leagues, Chris Henry and Eric Parker are where my money is at. Where I have TO in dynasty leagues, I like to "hedge" that "risky" player with Greg Lewis.QB is tough to call for projecting future. Im not so sure on Alex Smith simply because of the mess SF is in. Currently I like Orton because of how agressive and unfazed hes been uptil now. I also like Dan Orslowsky long long term. Ive been a McCown fan, and I even started him in one league last week over Plummer and Harrington. I dont know for sure about his situation because of DGreen. I like Volek and Schuab because I see them both pulling a Delhomme.

In dynasty leagues, I dont like keeping QBs around, so I cant say I employ my own advice here. I would much rather waste roster space on MMoore, RW, Shipp, Droughans, Barlow, etc.

 

[GibbyGarcia]

Although this has recently turned to an attack on Chase (a justified one IMO b/c of his comments), the original post was critical of the whole staff for the FBG rankings that were published at the time. TO at #30 overall and WR#8 at the time of the post was ridiculous and needed to be discussed - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the rankings . . . hence the post. This isn't a hindsight test, the original post was pre-season.

It's a little early to be declaring your strategy a raging success, why don't we wait 6 or 8 more weeks and see how that goes.

You know it is early but the worry wasn't about his talent it was his situation.. Waitng 6-8 weeks more you think he is all of a sudden going to bust?? this isn't a breakout player we talking about.. Its one of the top WR in the game... Proving that no matter what his relationship is with McNabb he will be a stud.. He wants to win regardless.

Define bust? If in 3 weeks he REALLY yanks on that hamstring, or hurts himself somewhere else because he is compensating and is out for 6 weeks, then yes he becomes a major bust. I don't care if he single-handedly wins me 6 games, if he then is out for 6 more and I don't have him for the playoffs.Will any of this happen? How the he11 do I know? But the point was that his injury issues from last year, combined with early hamstring issues, and lets not forget a all-time major blow out with his QB and his coach led FBG and myself to think, "hmmm...are there safer picks out there? Yup, around 5 or 6 of them". I prefer they use a more conservative common sense strategy than make wild assurtions based on the girth of their cahones. But that's just me.

Remember, those that make wild assurtions also end up picking Tatum Bell as the #3 overall RB.

 

[GibbyGarcia]

Although this has recently turned to an attack on Chase (a justified one IMO b/c of his comments), the original post was critical of the whole staff for the FBG rankings that were published at the time. TO at #30 overall and WR#8 at the time of the post was ridiculous and needed to be discussed - I almost fell off my chair when I saw the rankings . . . hence the post. This isn't a hindsight test, the original post was pre-season.

It's a little early to be declaring your strategy a raging success, why don't we wait 6 or 8 more weeks and see how that goes.

You know it is early but the worry wasn't about his talent it was his situation.. Waitng 6-8 weeks more you think he is all of a sudden going to bust?? this isn't a breakout player we talking about.. Its one of the top WR in the game... Proving that no matter what his relationship is with McNabb he will be a stud.. He wants to win regardless.

Define bust? If in 3 weeks he REALLY yanks on that hamstring, or hurts himself somewhere else because he is compensating and is out for 6 weeks, then yes he becomes a major bust. I don't care if he single-handedly wins me 6 games, if he then is out for 6 more and I don't have him for the playoffs.Will any of this happen? How the he11 do I know? But the point was that his injury issues from last year, combined with early hamstring issues, and lets not forget a all-time major blow out with his QB and his coach led FBG and myself to think, "hmmm...are there safer picks out there? Yup, around 5 or 6 of them". I prefer they use a more conservative common sense strategy than make wild assurtions based on the girth of their cahones. But that's just me.

Remember, those that make wild assurtions also end up picking Tatum Bell as the #3 overall RB.

 

[djcolts]

Bump

 

[Gravity]

I think there is now some big time ownage here....

 

[Raiders Fan]

I am not sure you can call his season over yet.. Right now he is 17th overall in my league.. I hardly look at him a bust.. Also it's not like they were wrong when the season started.. He was playing from day 1.. They can't control his actions.. Totally meaningless bump right now IMO..

 

[Gravity]

I am not sure you can call his season over yet.. Right now he is 17th overall in my league..  I hardly look at him a bust..    Also it's not like they were wrong when the season started.. He was playing from day 1..  They can't control his actions..  Totally meaningless bump right now IMO..

You kidding me? He's out 1 game and possibly anywhere from 4-8.That's what the risk was all about.

No, nothing is a given yet...but this is why there was a big risk with him.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I am not sure you can call his season over yet.. Right now he is 17th overall in my league..  I hardly look at him a bust..    Also it's not like they were wrong when the season started.. He was playing from day 1..  They can't control his actions..  Totally meaningless bump right now IMO..

You kidding me? He's out 1 game and possibly anywhere from 4-8.That's what the risk was all about.

No, nothing is a given yet...but this is why there was a big risk with him.

That's why the bump should have waited.. This could be a 1 or 2 game suspension.. If he comes back and plays rest of year you have some nice crow..

 

[ravnzfan]

still too early for anyone to be beating their chest about having figured this thing out, one way or the otherI owned TO in 3 dynasty leagues...still have him on 2 that I have a long term interest in him hanging around......bit I traded him for Santana Moss in a league I'm 6-2 in this year, but leading in points scored ... so hold 'em or trade 'em, there is a case to be made for either move

 

[packersfan]

Good bump. I was looking for this thread yesterday and couldn't find it.While I agree it's still a bit premature to draw any permanent conclusions the fact remains a suspension was one of the big reasons why a lot of folks (and I'll admit I was in that group) dropped TO in the rankings prior to the season. Combine the threat of a possible suspension (which has now occurred) with the fact TO is a strong bet to miss 1-2 games with an injury every season (and he may or may not be hurt right now on top of the suspension) and the risk was too great in my opinion unless he fell to a prime spot in the draft (which did not occur in my league -- he was a mid second-round pick). TO was a time bomb waiting to go off and now it has all over his fantasy owners. If it's just a one-game suspension it shouldn't be a major problem. But if he's suspended for more than one game or Keyshawned for the remainder of the season the fantasy owners who took him early may very well be in for a world of hurt.

 

[djcolts]

I am not sure you can call his season over yet.. Right now he is 17th overall in my league..  I hardly look at him a bust..    Also it's not like they were wrong when the season started.. He was playing from day 1..  They can't control his actions..  Totally meaningless bump right now IMO..

You kidding me? He's out 1 game and possibly anywhere from 4-8.That's what the risk was all about.

No, nothing is a given yet...but this is why there was a big risk with him.

That's why the bump should have waited.. This could be a 1 or 2 game suspension.. If he comes back and plays rest of year you have some nice crow..

Can I bump it now?

 

[GATZ]

Well, I was way off on this one. Really underestimated what an ### TO is. Thought all the crap would stop once the season started but TO just wouldn't let it rest. Props to everyone who foresaw this - I gave the clown too much credit.

 

[packersfan]

Was Chase the one under attack in this thread? If so, looks like some folks here need to sack up and admit they were off base.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Was Chase the one under attack in this thread? If so, looks like some folks here need to sack up and admit they were off base.

Thanks, but I don't deserve any praise on this one.I stand by what I said earlier. I thought TO had a chance of being a total zero this year. Whether that turned out to be inaccurate (as it looked when this thread was being discussed five weeks ago) or true (as it looks now) doesn't make my projection any better or worse.

Using the fictional numbers from before, I thought there was a 20% chance TO would miss the season, therefore I didn't have him ranked in my top 30. Whether that 20% even actually occurred isn't very relevant in determining whether or not my prediction was accurate.

 

[packersfan]

The more important point, though, is that it's a long season and a lot of things that looked good a few weeks ago aren't always going to be looking so good as the season goes on. I always thought the concerns about TO were justified (as I said, I lowered him on my own rankings) and as we've seen those concerns were on the money. The guy was a time bomb just waiting to go off and hopefully if you're a TO owner you either have quality depth at the WR position because that's a lot of production to try and replace at one position going forward.

 

[by_tor]

Your a lawyer ... you call that defending?    I guess I just expected more  from him

Yup, I sure do - he explained, fully, why he made that decision.Look, I am sorry he didn't want your golden boy Owens on his team - I wouldn't have made that decision, but bashing him now for it is not doing this board any good. And there is nothing more he can say on the subject. So what the heck are you pushing this for?

My guess is that you are ready to jump down anyone's throat who doesn't like TO.

Ive written a page of detailed analysis as to why someone should draft game breakers like TO. All ive gotten from the FBG bretheren is "roll the dice". Im sorry that your love blinders either didnt see it or cant comprehend it.Youre right, he did explain why he didnt want TO in the 3rd round. But I wouldnt want anyone defending me who considered that a defense. I have also presented questions regarding when TO does become value with respect to his perceived "riskiness".

Frankly, im tired of trying to creat discussion on this point. Chas and your responses have tired me out. No more discussion on this topic. Good job

how 'bout a few more pages of detailed analysis? i'm interested in how recent developments may shape your future outlook on drafting...

 

[Gravity]

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Using the fictional numbers from before, I thought there was a 20% chance TO would miss the season, therefore I didn't have him ranked in my top 30. Whether that 20% even actually occurred isn't very relevant in determining whether or not my prediction was accurate.

Chase, I have no idea what you are trying to say here but I hope it was code for I told you so.

 

[Chase Stuart]

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Using the fictional numbers from before, I thought there was a 20% chance TO would miss the season, therefore I didn't have him ranked in my top 30. Whether that 20% even actually occurred isn't very relevant in determining whether or not my prediction was accurate.

Chase, I have no idea what you are trying to say here but I hope it was code for I told you so.

It was actually the opposite. I'll go back to the rolling the dice example.If I say before you roll a dice that there's a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5, and it comes up 3...is my prediction bad? That's what some in this thread tried to say about me and other FBG staff members because we ranked TO low. But I said whether or not the 5 comes up (which in this case, is TO being suspended for the year) doesn't make the prediction good or bad.

If I say before the roll of the dice that there's a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5, and it comes up 5...my prediction isn't any better. It just looks better.

Many people thought TO had a chance of being suspended for the year, and that's why they ranked him low. I didn't have TO in my top 30, and never intended on drafting him. But even if he never got suspended for the year, I wouldn't have thought it was a bad ranking. I factored into my analysis (as did FBGs) the chance that TO would get suspended for the year; but no one ever questioned what he can do on the field.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Facts are he was a top WR.. Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.. I believe Owens is worth every bit of a top 30 ranking most of the worry was to START the year.. People were very skeptical he would.. I thought without question they would start him but I had no clue once the year started he would continue to make it worse.. I thought for sure he would have shut up and played ball till the end of the year but I think the 100TD thing set him off. If this was to start the year again I would draft him again..

 

[MelvinTScupper]

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Using the fictional numbers from before, I thought there was a 20% chance TO would miss the season, therefore I didn't have him ranked in my top 30. Whether that 20% even actually occurred isn't very relevant in determining whether or not my prediction was accurate.

Chase, I have no idea what you are trying to say here but I hope it was code for I told you so.

It was actually the opposite. I'll go back to the rolling the dice example.If I say before you roll a dice that there's a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5, and it comes up 3...is my prediction bad? That's what some in this thread tried to say about me and other FBG staff members because we ranked TO low. But I said whether or not the 5 comes up (which in this case, is TO being suspended for the year) doesn't make the prediction good or bad.

If I say before the roll of the dice that there's a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5, and it comes up 5...my prediction isn't any better. It just looks better.

Many people thought TO had a chance of being suspended for the year, and that's why they ranked him low. I didn't have TO in my top 30, and never intended on drafting him. But even if he never got suspended for the year, I wouldn't have thought it was a bad ranking. I factored into my analysis (as did FBGs) the chance that TO would get suspended for the year; but no one ever questioned what he can do on the field.

For different reasons altogether, but I'll still give you a thumbsup. The reality is, his top 5 status carried a lot of people this far, and they shouldn't be #####ing that much about it. It's no different than a guy like Priest. You take them for their point production, and then back up against the risk of injury or suspension.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

Curtis Martin? How many starts has he missed in his career due to injuries?

 

[Raiders Fan]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

Curtis Martin? How many starts has he missed in his career due to injuries?

It's not that he missed he is playing with injuries and not being effective.. He is a wrrior thats all it means.. Look at his year.. Down a LOT..

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

Curtis Martin? How many starts has he missed in his career due to injuries?

It's not that he missed he is playing with injuries and not being effective.. He is a wrrior thats all it means.. Look at his year.. Down a LOT..

Oh, now just look at this year only for Martin even though he did nothing to back up your theory prior to this year.He still hasn't missed a start this year and he's on pace for 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

 

[Synthesizer]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes..

With TO heading into this season, predicting a suspension was not that hard.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.. 

With TO heading into this season, predicting a suspension was not that hard.

Yet most of the fear was to start year which he did.. I thought for sure once the season got going all this crap would have been pushed to the back until after the year. I guess I underestimated Owens abaility to shut up..

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

Curtis Martin? How many starts has he missed in his career due to injuries?

It's not that he missed he is playing with injuries and not being effective.. He is a wrrior thats all it means.. Look at his year.. Down a LOT..

No surprise there, I saw him losing all his QBs.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury although I did on Holmes.

Yeah, I'm sure you saw the concussion coming.

Nope I saw injury factor.. 32 and has already shown to be very brittle.. look at the last 3 years as proof.. Hard to predict injuries but as you get up in age it seems to happen more.. We see it with SOOOOO Many RB's... Talk to Faulk/Martin/Davis...

Curtis Martin? How many starts has he missed in his career due to injuries?

It's not that he missed he is playing with injuries and not being effective.. He is a wrrior thats all it means.. Look at his year.. Down a LOT..

No surprise there, I saw him losing all his QBs.

Me too!

 

[by_tor]

T.O. was too risky for my liking. I'm glad to hear taking TO worked out well for you though.

What he said - you all really need to lighten up on individual projections making or breaking a person's entire wealth of FF knowledge.Most of my picks take risk into consideration and the emnity between TO and the organization was enough for me to drop TO out of the top-5 receivers.

This is a discussion, not an inquisition. Im sorry if the skin around here is so soft.

seems like the next phase of this discussion is what will folks do about terrell next time he's available? i say that year 1 he's a sure bet (depending on his team situation).

 

[packersfan]

Facts are he was a top WR.. Predicting a suspension is harder then predicting an injury

Actually predicting an injury for MeO was easy since he gets hurt and misses 1-2 games nearly every season. Combine that with the legitimate threat of an in-season suspension and it's really not that hard to see why some folks were downgrading him.

 

[Billy Bats]

How come JAA isn't posting every other 3 minutes in this thread any longer?