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True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
 
True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
Anything's possible obviously but it seems to me he's been a third-string RB for a reason, right? Maybe he blows up this week and puts it all together. I don't deny that possibility. But given everything we've seen with the Raiders this season Reece strikes me as the sounder fantasy play this week. I'm not saying Jones shouldn't be added. But I really think it's a huge risk starting him. Wasn't there a game last season where he was getting first-team reps with McFadden out and all hyped up and proceeded to bomb hard? I realize it's a different coaching staff but haven't we been down this road with Jones before?
 
True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
Anything's possible obviously but it seems to me he's been a third-string RB for a reason, right? Maybe he blows up this week and puts it all together. I don't deny that possibility. But given everything we've seen with the Raiders this season Reece strikes me as the sounder fantasy play this week. I'm not saying Jones shouldn't be added. But I really think it's a huge risk starting him. Wasn't there a game last season where he was getting first-team reps with McFadden out and all hyped up and proceeded to bomb hard? I realize it's a different coaching staff but haven't we been down this road with Jones before?
7 carries was the most he had in one game last year. he went 7/39
 
Stupid question here but rushing stats don't help under the circumstances. I understand Reese was a receiver prior to the NFL. Does he have any real experience running the ball? When he lines up back there, does an NFL defense think he's going to run the ball?

I guess where I'm going with this is, is Jones starting to keep the Ravens honest or is he the best option back there?

 
True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
Anything's possible obviously but it seems to me he's been a third-string RB for a reason, right? Maybe he blows up this week and puts it all together. I don't deny that possibility. But given everything we've seen with the Raiders this season Reece strikes me as the sounder fantasy play this week. I'm not saying Jones shouldn't be added. But I really think it's a huge risk starting him. Wasn't there a game last season where he was getting first-team reps with McFadden out and all hyped up and proceeded to bomb hard? I realize it's a different coaching staff but haven't we been down this road with Jones before?
7 carries was the most he had in one game last year. he went 7/39
That isn't the game I was referring to. There was another game where McFadden was out and Jones logged most of the first-team reps in practice that week and may have gotten one carry or something like that. Was a major bust after getting a lot of hype that week. I'm trying to find the game but haven't been able to yet. Was hoping someone here might remember. :)
 
True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
Anything's possible obviously but it seems to me he's been a third-string RB for a reason, right? Maybe he blows up this week and puts it all together. I don't deny that possibility. But given everything we've seen with the Raiders this season Reece strikes me as the sounder fantasy play this week. I'm not saying Jones shouldn't be added. But I really think it's a huge risk starting him. Wasn't there a game last season where he was getting first-team reps with McFadden out and all hyped up and proceeded to bomb hard? I realize it's a different coaching staff but haven't we been down this road with Jones before?
7 carries was the most he had in one game last year. he went 7/39
That isn't the game I was referring to. There was another game where McFadden was out and Jones logged most of the first-team reps in practice that week and may have gotten one carry or something like that. Was a major bust after getting a lot of hype that week. I'm trying to find the game but haven't been able to yet. Was hoping someone here might remember. :)
i dunno, im pretty sure they wouldnt have trotted him out there when they had michael bush tearing it up. just went through his player info and couldnt find anything...On another note, he is a perfect fit for the ZBS. He is a fast one cut runner. Hardest thing will be staying healthy, then holding on to the ball.

here is a blurb from bleacher report about Taiwans ball control

In the NFL, if you can't hold on to the football, your job security becomes dimmer as the day grows longer.

During his time at Eastern Washington, Jones only fumbled the ball 11 times on 533 carries. He had zero fumbles in 2006 and although he seemed to lose his ball control the next season, he never earned the reputation of being "fumble-prone."

Goodson, on the other hand, had four fumbles in only 103 rushes during his only productive season in 2010 as a member of the Panthers.

Jones is the stronger candidate in this department, and it's something that will greatly determine who earns the No. 2 spot once the regular season begins.
 
It was Week 9 last season, first game McFadden missed. Jones was getting first-team reps and was a red-hot Waiver Wire add that week. He ended up with two carries for one yard. Bush dominated the touches. But leading up to that game there was a ton of hype for Jones. Flamed out rather badly.

Again, different coaching staff and different situations (Bush is more of a prototypical RB than Reece). But it's not like we haven't been down this road in some fashion with Jones before.

Like I said, I'm not ruling out Jones doing something here and I do think he's worth adding. Just seems awful risky to be starting him this week.

Just my two cents. :)

 
It was Week 9 last season, first game McFadden missed. Jones was getting first-team reps and was a red-hot Waiver Wire add that week. He ended up with two carries for one yard. Bush dominated the touches. But leading up to that game there was a ton of hype for Jones. Flamed out rather badly.
I recall what you are talking about and the hype was more if Jones got 10 or so touches in that game he could break one off. Everyone knew Bush would dominate the touches - this situation is a little different Jones could potentially touch the ball 15-20 times.
 
Love the hype - this is like version 2.0 of the Cecil Shorts thread from last week.

Let's hope it plays out better.

 
With how much Palmer has been throwing the ball, and actually been doing it relatively well, do we know if Jones is any good as a pass catcher?

 
With how much Palmer has been throwing the ball, and actually been doing it relatively well, do we know if Jones is any good as a pass catcher?
I think he will get some opportunities“He puts his foot in the ground and goes,” Palmer said. “He wiggles out of hits, he wiggles out of tackles. Can’t wait to throw him the ball, get him in the open field. He’s so much fun to watch at practice it’s, like I said, a long time coming.”

 
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With how much Palmer has been throwing the ball, and actually been doing it relatively well, do we know if Jones is any good as a pass catcher?
This is really my question. If they use him the way some are thinking, I'm not positive that Reece is really competition to him. Reece is a different type of player and can be used in tandum with both guys on the field.I'm not really expecting much from him, but I dropped Mike Goodson for him when I couldn't get Reece. I won't start him this week, but I will at least stick him on my roster, just in case.
 
It was Week 9 last season, first game McFadden missed. Jones was getting first-team reps and was a red-hot Waiver Wire add that week. He ended up with two carries for one yard. Bush dominated the touches. But leading up to that game there was a ton of hype for Jones. Flamed out rather badly.
I recall what you are talking about and the hype was more if Jones got 10 or so touches in that game he could break one off. Everyone knew Bush would dominate the touches - this situation is a little different Jones could potentially touch the ball 15-20 times.
I'd be shocked if he got 20 touches.
 
I'd be shocked if he got 20 touches.
He's probably guranteed at least 10-12. 15 not being out of the question - take a look at his youtube video against the saints in preseason last year I believe. He ran really strong - if he comes out like that against Baltimore I don't think they shy away from him.Reece will get 5-8 carries and 4-5 catches for sure but I think Jones could end up with 12-14 carries and 1-2 receptions. He could bust any of those to the house - and if that happens well you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
 
Just hard for me to believe a team that has had trouble running the ball with a far more talented RB is suddenly going to become a run-heavy team with a third-string RB. Anything can happen and does happen in this crazy game but that really strikes me as a pretty big reach.

 
It is a reach but that's what FF is about.

I'll start him over law-firm since I've had about 8 games of law-firm and I know what he is - Taiwan is an unknown and could have his coming out party this weekend.

 
It is a reach but that's what FF is about.I'll start him over law-firm since I've had about 8 games of law-firm and I know what he is - Taiwan is an unknown and could have his coming out party this weekend.
I'd probably consider that if I really needed to shoot for the moon. Law Firm hasn't done much this season so why not. But I've seen posts from people saying they're starting Jones over guys like Leshoure and Bradshaw. I think that's a bit nuts. No offense to those doing that. :)
 
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It is a reach but that's what FF is about.I'll start him over law-firm since I've had about 8 games of law-firm and I know what he is - Taiwan is an unknown and could have his coming out party this weekend.
I'd probably consider that if I really needed to shoot for the moon. Law Firm hasn't done much this season so why not. But I've seen posts from people saying they're starting Jones over guys like Leshoure and Bradshaw. I think that's a bit nuts. No offense to those doing that. :)
I agree. I'm starting Jones in one league where I had DMC, Goodson and Sproles and my only other back is Lynch. With Lynch's bye week coming up I'll be searching for another RB next week off the wire too. What can you do? :shrug:
 
It is a reach but that's what FF is about.I'll start him over law-firm since I've had about 8 games of law-firm and I know what he is - Taiwan is an unknown and could have his coming out party this weekend.
I'd probably consider that if I really needed to shoot for the moon. Law Firm hasn't done much this season so why not. But I've seen posts from people saying they're starting Jones over guys like Leshoure and Bradshaw. I think that's a bit nuts. No offense to those doing that. :)
I agree. I'm starting Jones in one league where I had DMC, Goodson and Sproles and my only other back is Lynch. With Lynch's bye week coming up I'll be searching for another RB next week off the wire too. What can you do? :shrug:
I have DMac and Sproles, and Fred Jackson, so I had to reach for Jones too in a PPR. I'm not expecting much in the way of carries, but hoping they get him even more involved in the passing game than DMac, with Reece in on obvious pass situations. I'm hoping they get him the ball at least five times in space, and can bust some decent yardage. If he can somehow go 9-40 rushing and 5-50 passing, I'll be more than satisfied.
 
True and you could argue that's because their defense isn't very good and their running game isn't very good. The former isn't likely to suddenly improve and I'm wondering why people think the latter will improve with a third-string RB. Just because he's really fast?
Not just fast, but stutter-quick. Stop on a dime, cut-and-boom fast. CJ2k type quicks. But he's raw and gets taken down with arm tackles, has trouble holding onto the rock. That's why he's 3rd string. Regardless, he has starters opportunity now and the Ravens defense isn't as dominant as it once was with all their injuries. Maybe I'm just too close to the sitution to be objective. I'm not saying he isn't a high risk RB2/RB3, but he's got some clear upside as well.
Anything's possible obviously but it seems to me he's been a third-string RB for a reason, right? Maybe he blows up this week and puts it all together. I don't deny that possibility. But given everything we've seen with the Raiders this season Reece strikes me as the sounder fantasy play this week. I'm not saying Jones shouldn't be added. But I really think it's a huge risk starting him. Wasn't there a game last season where he was getting first-team reps with McFadden out and all hyped up and proceeded to bomb hard? I realize it's a different coaching staff but haven't we been down this road with Jones before?
No, we haven't.
 
Just hard for me to believe a team that has had trouble running the ball with a far more talented RB is suddenly going to become a run-heavy team with a third-string RB. Anything can happen and does happen in this crazy game but that really strikes me as a pretty big reach.
That's not going to happen. Are there a lot of people making the above argument?

 
Just hard for me to believe a team that has had trouble running the ball with a far more talented RB is suddenly going to become a run-heavy team with a third-string RB. Anything can happen and does happen in this crazy game but that really strikes me as a pretty big reach.
That's not going to happen. Are there a lot of people making the above argument?
If the belief is that Jones will get 15-20 carries then yes I think some are making that argument. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with 5-8 and 1-2 receptions. I could be wrong but it's difficult for me to believe that a third-string RB is just going to walk in and get the same type of workload McFadden got. I hope it works out for those of you starting him and I realize in some situations it's worth the shot in the dark. But it just seems to me there's a significant amount of risk involved with Jones for a number of reasons.
 
I actually picked up Reece, but am seriously considering dropping him for Jones as the higher upside guy

but to follow suit...I'm sure Jones will just be simply awful

 
Just hard for me to believe a team that has had trouble running the ball with a far more talented RB is suddenly going to become a run-heavy team with a third-string RB. Anything can happen and does happen in this crazy game but that really strikes me as a pretty big reach.
That's not going to happen. Are there a lot of people making the above argument?
If the belief is that Jones will get 15-20 carries then yes I think some are making that argument. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with 5-8 and 1-2 receptions. I could be wrong but it's difficult for me to believe that a third-string RB is just going to walk in and get the same type of workload McFadden got. I hope it works out for those of you starting him and I realize in some situations it's worth the shot in the dark. But it just seems to me there's a significant amount of risk involved with Jones for a number of reasons.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think there is a significant amount of risk associated with any back that was just picked off the waiver wire. Can I get a name off the waiver wire for a spot start that has NO risk?If people are starting him over starting RBs currently on their team, I probably think it's a mistake.

At this point in the season, due to byes and injuries, there are some really UN-sexy flex spots out there right now. Jones is in a lineup of mine--It was him or Brandon Gibson. When teams go sniffing around the wire to grab a guy for a spot start, they don't usually get a guy with a shot at getting a lot of action at RB.

I get that you are preaching a little bit of caution/sanity, but I am not sure who you are trying to slow down.

 
Can I get a name off the waiver wire for a spot start that has NO risk?
Not sure why you felt the need to be snide. Obviously every WW pickup has risk of some kind at this point. I'm just curious about all the hype surrounding Jones. But I'll stop and wish all of you starting him good luck this week. I hope it works out. I mean that. :)
 
Hmm idk if I start him over Stewart or Vereen. I don't really trust any of three
I have all 3 (Jones, Stewart, Vereen) of these guys as well, and also Dwyer - got to choose one for the flex spot but it's a tough call right now until we get more info.
 
For me it is not that I believe/think Jones is a better option then established

RB's on other teams that have been producing, if I had the latter available this

week I'd play them (guy's like Leshoure types) but I don't this week with byes an

injuries, so a guy that's kinda touted and getting a start I'm taking a shot with.

Also for me at least in the league I'm using him this weekend we get a large bonus

for long touchdowns, so hoping maybe he could break one, plus we get a kick return

yardage use as well if he ends up doing that, so a far bit of hoping for the upside.

If he keeps the kick return designation duties I feel A Lot more comfortable there.

(if anyone has any solid info on that it would be great to know)

 
:drive:

I still remember that 2011 pre-season game. No more Bush, love the prospects here and love even more so gambles like this guy off of the WW. If you are a DMC owner, this has to be a priority add for the rest of the way. Not going to be a bruiser, but if used in the flat, his quickness could turn out to be a tremendous value and asset to owners.

 
The more I think about it, the more I'm considering starting him this week. Because of injuries, I'd be starting Pierre Thomas anyway...so I'm not sure that the risk isn't worth it. It's not like I'd be starting him over someone with 100 yard/2td potential, given the timeshare situation in New Orleans.

 
The more I think about it, the more I'm considering starting him this week. Because of injuries, I'd be starting Pierre Thomas anyway...so I'm not sure that the risk isn't worth it. It's not like I'd be starting him over someone with 100 yard/2td potential, given the timeshare situation in New Orleans.
This is when I think the risk makes sense.
 
How crazy would I be to start him over j Charles this week?
I think Taiwan is a poor man's J. Charles. Maybe a really poor man's Charles. To my mind, what a Jones starter is realistically hoping for is one big play. One 40 yard screen for a TD, and Jones earns his keep.Charles has already proven he can actually produce big plays.

 
How crazy would I be to start him over j Charles this week?
Pretty crazy. I know Charles has disappointed, but the upside is just too massive to bench him for a lottery ticket.
Agreed. I think at this point Taiwan is more of a BYE week filler or you have to start him due to an injury to your current starter. I would not start him if you had an alternative like Charles on your team.
 
I remember watching Taiwan in preseason last year....he had a huge game and I picked him up in dynasty immediately. Dropped him since then, but I just remember how fast he looked. Don't recall if it came against all backups or not, but the speed and vision appear to be there. However, when he stayed in a few times to pass block in that game, he got absolutely destroyed. This may mean that he doesn't play much in obvious passing situations this week, outside of designed screens for him. Just my 2 cents- excited to see if he can do anything, but keeping my expectations tempered.

 
How crazy would I be to start him over j Charles this week?
Pretty crazy. I know Charles has disappointed, but the upside is just too massive to bench him for a lottery ticket.
Agreed. I think at this point Taiwan is more of a BYE week filler or you have to start him due to an injury to your current starter. I would not start him if you had an alternative like Charles on your team.
Im on the hypetrain but i agree this is crazy. A proven charles vs pit or an unproven made in taiwan vs bal?But fbg projections are interesting for him...Right near charlesMaybe dodds is crazy :unsure:
 
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There was no sign of Darren McFadden or Mike Goodson in the portion of Raiders practice open to the media Thursday, leaving Marcel Reece, Taiwan Jones and Jeremy Stewart to handle the reps at running back.Once the team moved from stretching to drills, the first play was a handoff from starting quarterback Carson Palmer to Reece, who may get the lion’s share of the carries Sunday in Baltimore if McFadden and Goodson can’t play on their sprained ankles.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/No-sign-of-McFadden-Goodson-at-Raiders-p?blockID=799369&feedID=2801
 
I have to imagine that Reece getting RB reps shouldn't be a surprise, even if Jones is the starter. He's probably lined up as a RB very little in practice so far this year.

 
'massraider said:
'solorca said:
The more I think about it, the more I'm considering starting him this week. Because of injuries, I'd be starting Pierre Thomas anyway...so I'm not sure that the risk isn't worth it. It's not like I'd be starting him over someone with 100 yard/2td potential, given the timeshare situation in New Orleans.
This is when I think the risk makes sense.
:goodposting: I'm in the exact same boat and rolling with Jones.
 

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