Birdie048
Footballguy
Same! I own Mayers and
from this!Why? Follow NEP 2-TE old system?
Makes about as much sense as Atl taking QB Penix
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from this!Why? Follow NEP 2-TE old system?
Makes about as much sense as Atl taking QB Penix
Max Power
Footballguy
I understand the BPA pick by LV. With no QBs left they had limited options.Same! I own Mayers and
Why? Follow NEP 2-TE old system?
Makes about as much sense as Atl taking QB Penix
If I know anything about Getsy, he won't change his offense much to accommodate 2 TE packages.
beef
Footballguy
Slept on it. Yep, love this pick even more this morning.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Doubt it, you can play two tight ends. They traded up to get Mayers and selected him early 2nd round, they would not see anything close to that in return. Bowers is more of a move tight end so they are vastly different in skill set. Brock will be moved around to find mismatches and Mayers will stay inline is my guess. I think the Raiders want to play big and become a tough-nosed smash mouth football team. This keeps their defense fresh and Mahomes/etc off the field. Football goes in cycles, and after years of speed and throwing the football the majority of the time we are starting to see teams revert back to an old school mentality. Chargers and the Raiders seem to both be heading in that direction. Defensive teams have worked to get smaller and faster, some offensive teams are going to try to take advantage of that big punching you in the face.
He may just be a bust already, everyone was surprised last year when he fell out of the 1st and Kincaid and LaPorta both got drafted over him. Maybe there were some legit reasons we just didn't know about?
Hate to give up on him (i drafted him in one league too) as TE’s usually take time to develop but Mayer didn’t really show much on the field last year and its a whole new regime drafting Bowers. Trading up for Mayer last year means nothing with a new head coach and GM.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It's a bad landing spot for fantasy value.
This is a very true take...he's just not going to get the targets and efficiency needed to set himself above the pack of mediocre who do I start TEs every week
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
It makes a LOT more sense. Bowers simply was the best playmaker available. Forget “We only need one TE”. The raiders need young playmakers.Same! I own Mayers and
Why? Follow NEP 2-TE old system?
Makes about as much sense as Atl taking QB Penix
beef
Footballguy
I thinks it's great. Adams for how much longer? And then???
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I didn't say I don't think he will be good, but I don't think fantasy owners did a dance of joy for that pick
-OZ-
Footballguy
Let him fall in drafts.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
There's still the question at QB. I'm afraid Bowers won't be start-able for awhile, but I think this hurts Mayer more than Bowers. He's still the 1.4 pick in TE premium in start 1qb leagues and the 1.7 in SF te-premium imo.
Meyers is easily cuttable for cap savings a year from now as well. Obviously they need to get their QB situation figured out long-term but the same can be said for the Jets which was the consensus mock draft pick (and not like Rodgers has ever bothered to throw to a TE during his career anyway.) Would the Saints have been better with bum shoulder Carr? Chargers were the only real jackpot landing spot I was hoping for, the rest all equally had questions.
beef
Footballguy
Sure, QB situation looks rough now. I've seen others post that they think the Raiders got even worse this off-season too. Kind of sets them up for an even earlier pick next year. I'm a believer in the Not For Long system so I won't get too caught up on the now. By year 3 I think I'll have forgotten about any concerns I might have right now.
massraider
Footballguy
Think this is mostly bad for Jakobi Myers value.
Mayer value...... look, it was a long shot he was gonna be a top 5 TE. LaPorta and Kincaid were the TE to get last year.
Need to call him a big slot fullback H back hybrid, so people can stop saying dumb sh:t like "they drafted Mayer last year"!!!
No one said Eagles were dumb for drafting Nolan Smith after taking Jalen Carter.
They. Play. Different. Positions. Watch Mayer highlights. Watch Bowers highlights. Not doing the same thing, fellas.
As far as QB and landing spot, kinda feels like Bowers routes are the ones that bad QBs need to rely on.
The concern is, are these offensive coaches able to have a plan for the two TE sets? Getsy ran a lot of 12 personnel in CHI, but adding Bowers really opens up creative options from the grouping. It's TBD if the coaches can really get as creative as this player allows them to be
Mayer value...... look, it was a long shot he was gonna be a top 5 TE. LaPorta and Kincaid were the TE to get last year.
Need to call him a big slot fullback H back hybrid, so people can stop saying dumb sh:t like "they drafted Mayer last year"!!!
No one said Eagles were dumb for drafting Nolan Smith after taking Jalen Carter.
They. Play. Different. Positions. Watch Mayer highlights. Watch Bowers highlights. Not doing the same thing, fellas.
As far as QB and landing spot, kinda feels like Bowers routes are the ones that bad QBs need to rely on.
The concern is, are these offensive coaches able to have a plan for the two TE sets? Getsy ran a lot of 12 personnel in CHI, but adding Bowers really opens up creative options from the grouping. It's TBD if the coaches can really get as creative as this player allows them to be
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Max Power
Footballguy
Using logic this makes a ton of sense. However I don't know what we'll get with Luke Getsy. He doesn't use 2 TE sets often. Outside of the weeks Kmet was injured, Tonyan's snap counts were in the 20-25% range. He had 17 targets on the season as TE2.
Granted Tonyan isn't in the Bowers/Mayer caliber of player, but we also shouldn't forget that one of the biggest issues with Getsy last year was his failure to adjust his play calling to his personnel.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I love this post and couldn't agree more. If I was worried about anything with Bowers, it was how he was going to be deployed. Maybe I'm making a mistake trusting the Raiders to be smart lol; but I think looking at the fact they just took Meyers and now grabbed Bowers, you have to assume they will be utilizing Bowers split out as well he should be. It's a seriously good thing for him. Not to mention the fact they are getting a guy who when graded as a WR, graded out as the WR3 of the class. And they will get to pay him a TE salary for it.
In the same breath though, I did chuckle seeing the words Getsy and creative used in the same sentence lol.
I'm not currently in a position to take Bowers in any of my leagues, but if he starts falling towards the end of the first round I will be looking to trade up and grab him.
massraider
Footballguy
Fields was traded for a bag of rusty tuna fish cans, so I think we should see what Getsy can do with a QB who is willing to throw the ball when the WR gets open.
Birdie048
Footballguy
So more of a WR2 role with Adams? Where does that leave Jakobi Meyers?
Meyers had 68 Rec from 101 targets ... and the 7 TDs were nice.
If Brock takes those 100 targets, I would expect more production but that is just me dreaming with the 1.04 pick
LAC was obviously the prime but unlikely landing spot. I think LV is a solid landing spot. I don't understand why anyone would change their view based on last night.
Landing spots
NYJ - Old QB coming of major injury and much higher competition for targets. I never loved this. For all we know Rogers could be gone in a year and then what. If the Jets drafted Bowers they would have ignored an obvious need on the OL.
Cinci - Maybe the best outside of LAC but still stiff target competition from Chase and Higgins
Indy - Also could be considered good but Richardson has Pittman and Downs already and I don't see him as a high-volume passer, so targets are still a concern.
LV - Minshew isn't great but good enough to support 2 receivers. Have to figure Adams and now Bowers are the target hogs here. Other spots (except LAC) are higher quality offenses, but bigger target volume questions.
I guess there could have been other landing spots, but I think I covered the main ones that were projected (to varying degrees)
Further view on Minshew, as I think he will be the concern of many. Lamar is Andrews QB and no one seems to be concerned about that. Lamar threw for 3678/24 last year. Minshew threw for 3305/15 last year in 2 less games. Touchdowns are clearly lower even after adjusted for games, but Minshew would have more yards.
My conclusion, this wasnt a great landing spot and maybe a minor downgrade, but it doesn't change my view on TE premium drafts
Landing spots
NYJ - Old QB coming of major injury and much higher competition for targets. I never loved this. For all we know Rogers could be gone in a year and then what. If the Jets drafted Bowers they would have ignored an obvious need on the OL.
Cinci - Maybe the best outside of LAC but still stiff target competition from Chase and Higgins
Indy - Also could be considered good but Richardson has Pittman and Downs already and I don't see him as a high-volume passer, so targets are still a concern.
LV - Minshew isn't great but good enough to support 2 receivers. Have to figure Adams and now Bowers are the target hogs here. Other spots (except LAC) are higher quality offenses, but bigger target volume questions.
I guess there could have been other landing spots, but I think I covered the main ones that were projected (to varying degrees)
Further view on Minshew, as I think he will be the concern of many. Lamar is Andrews QB and no one seems to be concerned about that. Lamar threw for 3678/24 last year. Minshew threw for 3305/15 last year in 2 less games. Touchdowns are clearly lower even after adjusted for games, but Minshew would have more yards.
My conclusion, this wasnt a great landing spot and maybe a minor downgrade, but it doesn't change my view on TE premium drafts
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Tau837
Footballguy
Agree. IMO there is a lot of unnecessary chicken little overreaction going on in here and elsewhere.
Getting drafted onto a team with Mayer is a great thing. It means Mayer will take the majority of the TE blocking snaps, freeing Bowers to run routes.
Bowers is unlike most TEs in that he probably won't need as many targets as most do to have a good fantasy game. He is probably going to have a high catch percentage, high YAC/rec, high rate of forcing missed tackles, and a fairly high TD total, since he has a chance to take any catch to the house.
I haven't looked at or thought about TE rankings yet, but I'll be very surprised if Bowers is not expected by the general consensus to be top 5 as a rookie.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
His ADP for FFPC was as the #2 overall tight end before last night behind Laporta.
Does Kincaid, McBride, or even Pitts jump him?
Does Kincaid, McBride, or even Pitts jump him?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Guessing rookie year he cuts into Meyers and Mayer most. In 2025, Adams' contract has a self-destruct structure, so who knows where he will be at that point - he would almost certainly need to agree to a significant pay cut after the 2024 season to remain a Raider.
Faust
MVP
Tashan Reed
Brock Bowers played 52.2% of his snaps in the slot, 36.6% of his snaps as an inline TE and 9.5% of his snaps as an outside WR at Georgia according to @dpbrugler, who compared him to George Kittle. He'll add versatility to the #Raiders' offense
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Big fan of the vampire sister.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Raise your hand if you don't know a whole lot about Bowers...and also have some caution with Minshew the starting QB in Vegas for this rookie TE
-But I'm very interested with the talent around him at WR, can't imagine he has more than a LB or Safety overlooking him on routes he runs
-But I'm very interested with the talent around him at WR, can't imagine he has more than a LB or Safety overlooking him on routes he runs
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Did someone say tuna?
-I expect you to lead many of us to an informed decision on this guy as we roll thru the summer and camp.
I'm optimistic, I've reconsidered my expectations for this team in 2024
Not sure they aren't the 2nd best in the AFC West, OK maybe not near the Chiefs but they are an up and coming team right now
What is the ceiling on this rookie? That's what I want to know as we get closer to Week 1
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
These type of comments always make me laugh. An anonymous front office guy doesn't like another teams pick. Ooh kayy. Maybe he wanted him for his own team and has sour grapes over it. Or since there is no name attached to it, it could just be something the writer made up. Either way not an opinion I would base my opinion on.
jm192
Footballguy
I think I'm putting him at TE10, fully expecting to get burnt if I take him there. I may not even have that many shares. I'm a huge fan of Kincaid this year and plan to target him a lot.
I know rookie tight ends often start slow. And he walks into a situation where Devante Adams dominates the targets and Jakobi is a very good receiver.
Fantasypros has him at TE12, FBG TE 13.
If you're truly trying to predict where he finishes, they're probably closer than I am. But I think if you've punted TE past the top 9, you want to go swinging for upside rather than 700 yards and 5 TD's. I'm not sure there's much difference in the backend TE1's and half of the TE2's.
If you take Njoku or Goedert, you're probably expecting about 700 and 5. Dalton Schultz had 635 and 5 despite missing 2 games. Friermuth had 700 yards in his last full season. I think it's easy enough to find a replacement for THAT production.
So, if I've waited this long in the draft for my TE, I'll probably swing for the fences with Bowers and hope he blows up in his 1st year.
I know rookie tight ends often start slow. And he walks into a situation where Devante Adams dominates the targets and Jakobi is a very good receiver.
Fantasypros has him at TE12, FBG TE 13.
If you're truly trying to predict where he finishes, they're probably closer than I am. But I think if you've punted TE past the top 9, you want to go swinging for upside rather than 700 yards and 5 TD's. I'm not sure there's much difference in the backend TE1's and half of the TE2's.
If you take Njoku or Goedert, you're probably expecting about 700 and 5. Dalton Schultz had 635 and 5 despite missing 2 games. Friermuth had 700 yards in his last full season. I think it's easy enough to find a replacement for THAT production.
So, if I've waited this long in the draft for my TE, I'll probably swing for the fences with Bowers and hope he blows up in his 1st year.
jtd13
Footballguy
I have to imagine that if you are taking Bowers in redraft it's for his late season numbers, not his year total numbers. I have him paired with Goedert or Muth in a couple dynasty leagues and it feels like a solid pairing. Consistency early from the vets, with potential for Bowers to go nuts in the fantasy playoffs if for any reason Adams is sitting.
ZADO
Footballguy
As well as keeper leagues, he`s worth a bench spot , especially if you can gt him in the middle rounds , great value for next season.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Where are you guys expecting Bowers to go? His talent and college production is absolutely generational but as a Raider fan, even I have to admit the landing spot is horrendous for him. Mayer is already a very good TE (Don't just look at his lack of production last year) and our QB situation is awful (Both haven't look good thus far in camp).
I feel like he's worth the "risk" though given just how damn good he is.
I feel like he's worth the "risk" though given just how damn good he is.
ZADO
Footballguy
He`s going to be a redzone monster , both catching and running
We have him currently TE13. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/preseason?pos=te
But lots of upside.
