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Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
because you get an extra spot in your lineup
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Because the WR I get back in rds 3-5 are closer to the WR I’d get in rd 2 than any tight end will be to Bowers.
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.
Yep - plus a couple of wild cards in Warren and Loveland who could both be top 5 TEs. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.
For as long as Flacco is starting I would put Njoku right there with LaPorta, but the problem is we don't know how long that will be. In one redraft I went Njoku/Warren back to back for a chance at an early season/late season stud combo.

I have no issue taking Bowers where he is going for the positional advantage (to bring it back to him).
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.

its a fantastic question, its been a while since we've seen a TE like Bowers seen Gates or Gonzo. Even with the depth at TE like McBride and Kittle, Bowers is STILL a late 1st or at most an early 2nd. because he's that much better. So if you want him on your roster that's where your taking him but I would do a few mock drafts 1st so your comfortable with what you will get at WR3 or RB2... which ever position you decide to be weaker at
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.

its a fantastic question, its been a while since we've seen a TE like Bowers seen Gates or Gonzo. Even with the depth at TE like McBride and Kittle, Bowers is STILL a late 1st or at most an early 2nd. because he's that much better. So if you want him on your roster that's where your taking him but I would do a few mock drafts 1st so your comfortable with what you will get at WR3 or RB2... which ever position you decide to be weaker at
In the mocks I’ve done I’ve been happy with my wideouts I got. Not really my running backs but can’t have it all I guess.

I also have an insane local league where nothing ever ever goes like a mock does so I can’t decide if that means I should take Bowers early or wait for McBride. But I’ll find out today.
 
Is pick 13 (2.02) too early for him or am I crazy? I feel like his production will duplicate other WRs taken there and you get the scarcity part. And I like the QB compared to last year. But I see him between picks 18-25 typically. What am I missing here?

Scoring format / league size / line ups

I have a 10 team / 1.5 PPR for TEs / start 3 WRs with 2 flex. So half the league has 2 vert good TEs.

I took Bowers with my turn picks 2.01 because for that very reason he scores like a top 5 WR. You will suffer at another position though

1 PPR across the board start 1 te and 3 wr

I guess what I’m saying is he’ll give me WR production there at the turn and it’s easier to find quality wideouts later than tight ends.
Then I say no. Why grab a TE that will get you top 5 WR points instead of just grabbing a top 5 WR. TE is so deep that if you miss the 1st 5... just grab Kelce
Totally disagree.

Feel like after the top three there is a huge chasm until the rookies Warren/Loveland.

I can't make a solid positive argument that I feel confident in for every TE that follows.

Kelce?

Maybe a T. Kraft.
Agreed. Bowers, Kittle, McBride (in no specific order) then... LaPorta?

TE seems no deeper than it ever has.
For as long as Flacco is starting I would put Njoku right there with LaPorta, but the problem is we don't know how long that will be. In one redraft I went Njoku/Warren back to back for a chance at an early season/late season stud combo.

I have no issue taking Bowers where he is going for the positional advantage (to bring it back to him).
If I don't grab one of the elite, this is the route I'm going -- probably back to back at the turn with one stable option (i.e. T. Kraft, J. Fergason) and an upside rookie (Loveland, Warren).
 
guess.

I also have an insane local league where nothing ever ever goes like a mock
Idk why I mock because every year something happens and this year Bucky Irving went at 1.10 right behind me at the turn. And then the same guy took Brian Thomas. So I had Amon, Nico and Bowers staring right at me and took Amon.

Bowers went mid-third and McBride went right before me at 3.08. Took Kelce in round 7.

I’m happier with Amon, Kelce and JT (who I took in rd 3) than I would’ve been with Bowers, Tyreek (who I would’ve taken in rd3) and whomever else I would’ve taken taken later. But it could’ve gone either way.
 
Idk why I mock because every year something happens and this year Bucky Irving went at 1.10 right behind me at the turn. And then the same guy took Brian Thomas. So I had Amon, Nico and Bowers staring right at me and took Amon.

Bowers went mid-third and McBride went right before me at 3.08. Took Kelce in round 7.
If anything, this is a reason to mock. Doing so allows you to more easily follow the ebbs and flows rather than spend the draft chasing. I was picking 10 in a start 2 QB league and only 1 QB went in the top 9.

Welp, time to alter course - welcome aboard, Lamar

I didn't end up with the team I thought I would, but I'm very happy with what I ended up with. Only misstep was doubling up on RB3 and RB4 rather than picking my TE - as a result I missed the run. Oh well
 
There are two types of people in this world.

People who drafted Lord Bowers….. and losers.

My Bowers Redraft team is done
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
this. they had absolutely no run game. something tells me that's going to change.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
 
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I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think, more than any other thing it's going to be Chip Kelly's offense that people need to watch. Mayer only suited up for 11 games and only started 8 due to personal issues, all indications are he has been completely locked in this off season under Coach Pete. The run game will be a bigger concern than just Jeanty taking away attention, he will be taking away a lot of opportunities. They were 30th in rush attempts last year with 380. They could run 100 more times and not be in the top 10 in rush attempts.

I agree with Travdogg, love Bowers but would definitely take McBride over him and maybe Kittle too.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think I'm more along your line of thinking where I can't absolutely say his situation is worse it's just really different and that carries a lot of risk bit also a lot of reward due to external improvements around him along with his internal improvements of being in year two.

I play in TEP formats and he's a rock solid mid first. I don't feel great about drafting him that high due to the risks, don't feel great about not owning him this upcoming year either.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think, more than any other thing it's going to be Chip Kelly's offense that people need to watch. Mayer only suited up for 11 games and only started 8 due to personal issues, all indications are he has been completely locked in this off season under Coach Pete. The run game will be a bigger concern than just Jeanty taking away attention, he will be taking away a lot of opportunities. They were 30th in rush attempts last year with 380. They could run 100 more times and not be in the top 10 in rush attempts.

I agree with Travdogg, love Bowers but would definitely take McBride over him and maybe Kittle too.
In PPR, I think McBride over Bowers is defensible. I think KIttle over them both in 1/2 or standard is also very defensible. They are so clearly the top 3 TEs this year. I would put more than a single tiers worth of difference between them and the next group.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think, more than any other thing it's going to be Chip Kelly's offense that people need to watch. Mayer only suited up for 11 games and only started 8 due to personal issues, all indications are he has been completely locked in this off season under Coach Pete. The run game will be a bigger concern than just Jeanty taking away attention, he will be taking away a lot of opportunities. They were 30th in rush attempts last year with 380. They could run 100 more times and not be in the top 10 in rush attempts.

I agree with Travdogg, love Bowers but would definitely take McBride over him and maybe Kittle too.

I dont have them rushing 100 more times than last, I think more like 50. I still have Bowers with 130 targets and a 23.9% share. I agree with others who say that his targets will decreased, but efficiency should improve. And if they rush more than this, I'd think reduction in targets will come from other players rather than their beast superstar TE.

My bigger concern is the Vegas O/U for his TDs at 4.5. That's what reddit says at least, which I haven't been able to find to verify. If true, that's a lot lower than I and many others had projected.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think, more than any other thing it's going to be Chip Kelly's offense that people need to watch. Mayer only suited up for 11 games and only started 8 due to personal issues, all indications are he has been completely locked in this off season under Coach Pete. The run game will be a bigger concern than just Jeanty taking away attention, he will be taking away a lot of opportunities. They were 30th in rush attempts last year with 380. They could run 100 more times and not be in the top 10 in rush attempts.

I agree with Travdogg, love Bowers but would definitely take McBride over him and maybe Kittle too.

I dont have them rushing 100 more times than last, I think more like 50. I still have Bowers with 130 targets and a 23.9% share. I agree with others who say that his targets will decreased, but efficiency should improve. And if they rush more than this, I'd think reduction in targets will come from other players rather than their beast superstar TE.

My bigger concern is the Vegas O/U for his TDs at 4.5. That's what reddit says at least, which I haven't been able to find to verify. If true, that's a lot lower than I and many others had projected.
yeah. 4.5 or 5.5 is what most books have
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.
 
Also, his YPR last year was 10.7 which is right around average for TEs. With a better QB, and especially with a QB who is really good at deep passes, that should go way up.
 
Here's the thing, nobody (at least not me or anyone who I think is making the same case as me) is saying Bowers isn't gonna be a top-3 TE. Its just that he is riskier than McBride and Kittle because of a new HC, OC, and QB. There is a huge dropoff after the top-3, and personally, I think getting 1 of them is priority #1 in drafts, and in auctions, I'd prefer whichever is cheapest, which seems unlikely to be Bowers, as he's the hot new thing.

Its also debatable if Bowers has as much upside as the other 2 guys. Personally, I think he's more talented than McBride, but Arizona is a likely better offense than Vegas. I think Kittle is more talented than either (I'd argue Kittle is the 2nd best TE of the last 15 years, he just wasn't targeted like Kelce was) and his plate looks ready to be fuller than ever, in addition to SF having a better offense than either team.

Again, I don't think anyone is saying they are worried about Bowers, or that Bowers will be a bust, or that Bowers isn't going to be a good pick. Its that McBride and Kittle are arguably better ones, that could have both higher floors and ceilings and come cheaper. Doesn't make Bowers a bad pick, just might make them better ones.
 
Here's the thing, nobody (at least not me or anyone who I think is making the same case as me) is saying Bowers isn't gonna be a top-3 TE. Its just that he is riskier than McBride and Kittle because of a new HC, OC, and QB. There is a huge dropoff after the top-3, and personally, I think getting 1 of them is priority #1 in drafts, and in auctions, I'd prefer whichever is cheapest, which seems unlikely to be Bowers, as he's the hot new thing.

Its also debatable if Bowers has as much upside as the other 2 guys. Personally, I think he's more talented than McBride, but Arizona is a likely better offense than Vegas. I think Kittle is more talented than either (I'd argue Kittle is the 2nd best TE of the last 15 years, he just wasn't targeted like Kelce was) and his plate looks ready to be fuller than ever, in addition to SF having a better offense than either team.

Again, I don't think anyone is saying they are worried about Bowers, or that Bowers will be a bust, or that Bowers isn't going to be a good pick. Its that McBride and Kittle are arguably better ones, that could have both higher floors and ceilings and come cheaper. Doesn't make Bowers a bad pick, just might make them better ones.
Last year EVERYTHING was new, his entire life . The NFL is a whole different animal than college ....and Bowers killed it .

No worries about new anything here .
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.

RIGHT! I can't believe the mindset of "his Offense just got a lot better so he's not going to score as many points now" This like saying J Chase should be downgraded because they kept Higgins and Brown is a yr better now. Bowers won't see as many targets and receptions, but he sure as heck going to see that goal line area more.
 
I already have him at the top of my TE list but in a redraft no TE league with standard scoring, where would he rank among WRs?
I am setting up the DD for my redraft where WR/TE is a combined position. It shows Bowers as WR21, which seems low at first blush. It has Kittle as WR22 and WRs 18, 19 & 20 are Worthy, Sutton and Jamo.

FBG consensus projections are 107 receptions for 1,161 yards and 6 TDs.

My concern for Bowers is because of the improvements at QB, OC, and RB we won't see AOC locking in on Bowers almost every single play. Smith will be better at finding the open man and also has a much better outlet from the backfield in Jeanty. So, maybe that projection and ranking should be taken seriously.
That's kinda where I am too. I also don't see any reason to have Bowers ahead of McBride, though I love Bowers talent. We know how much Kyler targets McBride, we are projecting anything with Geno. Just feels riskier, with not really any upside.
I feel like the upside is actual competent QB play. That’s pretty big to me.
My worry is that with a better team around him his volulme will drop considerably. It may be made up in TD's evening out from the low output from last year but I think much of the volume was because they had absolutely nothing else. He will be the defensive focus and that should open up Myers and Thornton for more opportunity and with a better QB seeing the field those advantages on the outside due to the focus on Bowers can be exploited.

While I think Bowers is awesome I think his redraft price is too high. I would avoid at ADP.
100% agree. In my eyes, Bowers situation got worse, McBride's stayed the same, and Kittle's got better. I'm taking Bowers 3rd of that trio.
We are really that worried about D'onta Thornton? Jenaty should take attention away from Bowers and give them a credible run threat. Myers was on the team last year so that's nothing new. Going from Minshew, O'Connell and Ridder to Geno Smith should be a big improvement too. I agree Bowers could see a small dip in in his targets but that should be balanced out by a lot more scoring opportunities.
I think, more than any other thing it's going to be Chip Kelly's offense that people need to watch. Mayer only suited up for 11 games and only started 8 due to personal issues, all indications are he has been completely locked in this off season under Coach Pete. The run game will be a bigger concern than just Jeanty taking away attention, he will be taking away a lot of opportunities. They were 30th in rush attempts last year with 380. They could run 100 more times and not be in the top 10 in rush attempts.

I agree with Travdogg, love Bowers but would definitely take McBride over him and maybe Kittle too.
In PPR, I think McBride over Bowers is defensible. I think KIttle over them both in 1/2 or standard is also very defensible. They are so clearly the top 3 TEs this year. I would put more than a single tiers worth of difference between them and the next group.

Kittle is a close 2nd to Bowers this yr, I feel McBride is going to take a step back as Zona should focus more on Harrison and his development. Plus Murray is more of an injury risk than Geno and Purdy IMO; making McBride the avoid at his price.
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.

Isn't Geno known as a poor red zone QB? I think I've heard that on Check the Mic a few times.

Aside from that, I think Carroll is a factor here. He was head coach in Seattle for two seasons with Geno as starting QB. In offensive plays, Seattle ranked #22 in 2022 and #32 in 2023. The Raiders were tied for #12 in offensive plays last season.

ETA: Kelly's PHI teams 2013-2016 ranked 13, 1, 2, 3 in total offensive plays. It will be interesting to see if Carroll just turns over the keys to Kelly with no interference.
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.

Isn't Geno known as a poor red zone QB? I think I've heard that on Check the Mic a few times.

Aside from that, I think Carroll is a factor here. He was head coach in Seattle for two seasons with Geno as starting QB. In offensive plays, Seattle ranked #22 in 2022 and #32 in 2023. The Raiders were tied for #12 in offensive plays last season.

ETA: Kelly's PHI teams 2013-2016 ranked 13, 1, 2, 3 in total offensive plays. It will be interesting to see if Carroll just turns over the keys to Kelly with no interference.

I don't want to get too far away from relevance but I think Pete's gonna be chomping gum and punting from the opponent's 48 on 4th and 1 until he's forcibly put out in the cold. I could be wrong, but I've known enough older powerful men of that age, and while Pete is always marching to the beat of modernity, I'm not sure he has it in him.
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.

Isn't Geno known as a poor red zone QB? I think I've heard that on Check the Mic a few times.

Aside from that, I think Carroll is a factor here. He was head coach in Seattle for two seasons with Geno as starting QB. In offensive plays, Seattle ranked #22 in 2022 and #32 in 2023. The Raiders were tied for #12 in offensive plays last season.

ETA: Kelly's PHI teams 2013-2016 ranked 13, 1, 2, 3 in total offensive plays. It will be interesting to see if Carroll just turns over the keys to Kelly with no interference.
Kelly changed his philosophy when he went back to the college Ranks. I don't expect him to push the team like that this go around in the NFL.
 
Cooper signing should boost Bowers. Not good enough to take too many targets, but good enough to take attention and help the other WR's do the same.

Good signing by the Raiders for where they are rn.

Raiders may not win a lot, but I doubt that P Carroll won't field a functioning team.
 
Cooper signing should boost Bowers. Not good enough to take too many targets, but good enough to take attention and help the other WR's do the same.

Good signing by the Raiders for where they are rn.

Raiders may not win a lot, but I doubt that P Carroll won't field a functioning team.
yeah, what if Meyers pulls a Hold In
 
Ya know, if you have a running game, and better QB play, you have MORE plays. More passes. More targets.

Bowers target share could drop, and he could still have the same number of catches. We should assume more TDs, because Geno Smith.

If you are worried about Brock not getting enough work, you should give up fantasy football, because nothing will make you happy, ever.
What does being “ happy” have to do with anything? We’re trying to make a prediction.
 
Cooper signing should boost Bowers. Not good enough to take too many targets, but good enough to take attention and help the other WR's do the same.

Good signing by the Raiders for where they are rn.

Raiders may not win a lot, but I doubt that P Carroll won't field a functioning team.
yeah, what if Meyers pulls a Hold In
It's very late in the game for him to try to do that. Once the season starts. Teams have a lot more power as it relates to fines and suspensions.
 
Reports are he was running full speed on the sideline and cutting. Can’t be catastrophic if that’s happening. Maybe a slight tweak. 🙏🏻
 
Anobody watching this game, please keep us updated if he comes back or not.
Knee injury. Non-contact. Confirmed out.

Nothing about it sounds good.
I'm watching live, didn't hear that update.

Link?
I don't have a link. Announcers said he wasn't coming back.
Not their opinion. They were reporting what they heard from a team source.

Maybe I heard wrong. I was responding to MrSoup asking from the game perspective.
 
Anobody watching this game, please keep us updated if he comes back or not.
Knee injury. Non-contact. Confirmed out.

Nothing about it sounds good.
I'm watching live, didn't hear that update.

Link?
I don't have a link. Announcers said he wasn't coming back.
Not their opinion. They were reporting what they heard from a team source.

Maybe I heard wrong. I was responding to MrSoup asking from the game perspective.
He hasn't been back so, seems accurate.
 
Anobody watching this game, please keep us updated if he comes back or not.
Knee injury. Non-contact. Confirmed out.

Nothing about it sounds good.
I'm watching live, didn't hear that update.

Link?
I don't have a link. Announcers said he wasn't coming back.
Not their opinion. They were reporting what they heard from a team source.

Maybe I heard wrong. I was responding to MrSoup asking from the game perspective.
He hasn't been back so, seems accurate.
I’d imagine a big part of that equation is they were up 10 with just a few minutes left. No reason to risk it even if it’s minor.
 

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