TE Greg Dulcich, DEN (2 Viewers)

[Stoneworker]

Is there anything there other than “trying to look smart”?

When a coach comes in and starts badmouthing a player, even slightly, you have to worry a bit. Like when Urban Meyer came in and badmouthed James Robinson and D.J. Chark and immediately made Chark change his style a bit and replaced Robinson with Etienne (it never happened because of the foot, but it was happening). Once a coach starts opening his mouth, it's bad. Like Hackett and Okweugbunam. They wanted their guy at TE.

That's sometimes how it goes. Guys with egos that big just replace the player if he doesn't fit.

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

 

[rockaction]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

 

[-OZ-]

Is there anything there other than “trying to look smart”?

When a coach comes in and starts badmouthing a player, even slightly, you have to worry a bit. Like when Urban Meyer came in and badmouthed James Robinson and D.J. Chark and immediately made Chark change his style a bit and replaced Robinson with Etienne (it never happened because of the foot, but it was happening). Once a coach starts opening his mouth, it's bad. Like Hackett and Okweugbunam. They wanted their guy at TE.

That's sometimes how it goes. Guys with egos that big just replace the player if he doesn't fit.

All that based on “we’ll see”?

 

[rockaction]

All that based on “we’ll see”?

I gave my opinion, -OZ-. It's there. I think Payton means something but I don't have definitive proof of that, so we'll see who is right, is what I meant.

 

[Stoneworker]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

It's clear that Dulcich's skillset is not a perfect fit for the run-focused scheme Payton is building. But Payton also has a solid reputation of finding ways to take advantage of unique talents that create mismatches (e.g. Kamara, Graham, Taysom Hill).

My money is on Payton recognizing Dulcich's obvious talents and adapting his scheme to exploit them...not impulsively jettisoning a second year TE simply because he doesn't rigidly "fit" an offensive system or some "big ego" rationale.

Payton has been openly critical of most of what went on last year with the Broncos. He's also publicly got Sutton/Jeudy on the trading block...and we all know they aren't going anywhere if a deal can't be done.

So IMO the Dulcich comments are much more consistent with other "shot-across-the-bow things need to improve here" statements Payton has made than a death knell for a specific player.

 

[JohnnyU]

All that based on “we’ll see”?

I gave my opinion, -OZ-. It's there. I think Payton means something but I don't have definitive proof of that, so we'll see who is right, is what I meant.

Outside of a couple years with Graham, what other TEs has he had great fantasy success with? I suppose he had some success with Jared Cook one year with 700 yards and 9 TDS.

 

[rockaction]

I think the counterpoints to mine are also really pretty well thought-out and fair, by the way. I just don't like when a coach comes in and assesses a player like that publicly. Usually means trouble for the player within the system that the coach wants to bring in.

 

[-OZ-]

All that based on “we’ll see”?

I gave my opinion, -OZ-. It's there. I think Payton means something but I don't have definitive proof of that, so we'll see who is right, is what I meant.

All good, I’m just not seeing “some of it was hard” and “we’ll see” as meaning anything of substance with a rookie playing one of the hardest positions to learn at the NFL level, and yet he did well.
I’d love to see him traded if they aren’t going to use him.

 

[rockaction]

I’m just not seeing “some of it was hard” and “we’ll see” as meaning anything of substance with a rookie playing one of the hardest positions to learn at the NFL level

Oh, you meant I divined that from Payton's "We'll see...". Now I get what you were saying. I thought you meant about my "We'll see," a phrase I used in the context of our slight disagreement.

Yeah, I guess I was putting more weight on the tone of the blurb rather than Payton's words himself, which is a very dangerous thing to hang your hat on. Especially if it's Rotoworld (NBC Sports Edge now).

I getcha. Perhaps I should weight his own words more.

 

[TakiToki]

This is clearly a ploy on Payton's part

 

[Harry Frogfish]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

It's clear that Dulcich's skillset is not a perfect fit for the run-focused scheme Payton is building. But Payton also has a solid reputation of finding ways to take advantage of unique talents that create mismatches (e.g. Kamara, Graham, Taysom Hill).

My money is on Payton recognizing Dulcich's obvious talents and adapting his scheme to exploit them...not impulsively jettisoning a second year TE simply because he doesn't rigidly "fit" an offensive system or some "big ego" rationale.

Payton has been openly critical of most of what went on last year with the Broncos. He's also publicly got Sutton/Jeudy on the trading block...and we all know they aren't going anywhere if a deal can't be done.

So IMO the Dulcich comments are much more consistent with other "shot-across-the-bow things need to improve here" statements Payton has made than a death knell for a specific player.

How 'bout now, that he traded for Trautman, a guy he drafted early 3rd in '20?

A guy that started his college career as a QB, and ended as the Offensive Player of the Year in his conference (uncommon at TE, no matter the level)? 6'5", 255, btw, just fyi.

It could be that Payton wants both because they never got a targeted OL to drop to them, who knows, but I think it's safe to say Payton definitely likes Trautman and the kid is not just some blocking TE, with those stats he put up in college.

You have to be worried about Dulcic's numbers, in lieu of Payton's affinity for Trautman.

 

[menobrown]

Trautman and the kid is not just some blocking TE

I think that's exactly what he is.

 

[Stoneworker]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

It's clear that Dulcich's skillset is not a perfect fit for the run-focused scheme Payton is building. But Payton also has a solid reputation of finding ways to take advantage of unique talents that create mismatches (e.g. Kamara, Graham, Taysom Hill).

My money is on Payton recognizing Dulcich's obvious talents and adapting his scheme to exploit them...not impulsively jettisoning a second year TE simply because he doesn't rigidly "fit" an offensive system or some "big ego" rationale.

Payton has been openly critical of most of what went on last year with the Broncos. He's also publicly got Sutton/Jeudy on the trading block...and we all know they aren't going anywhere if a deal can't be done.

So IMO the Dulcich comments are much more consistent with other "shot-across-the-bow things need to improve here" statements Payton has made than a death knell for a specific player.

How 'bout now, that he traded for Trautman, a guy he drafted early 3rd in '20?

A guy that started his college career as a QB, and ended as the Offensive Player of the Year in his conference (uncommon at TE, no matter the level)? 6'5", 255, btw, just fyi.

It could be that Payton wants both because they never got a targeted OL to drop to them, who knows, but I think it's safe to say Payton definitely likes Trautman and the kid is not just some blocking TE, with those stats he put up in college.

You have to be worried about Dulcic's numbers, in lieu of Payton's affinity for Trautman.

The numbers of each one of Denver's receiving corps took a hit the minute Payton said he was going to emphasize a physical running game in his very first press conference...and then subsequently signed Powers, McGlinchey, Perine and others to back it up.

I don't think Trautman's signing changes Dulcic's outlook any (he was never going to be "featured" under Payton's new scheme), but he's too talented not to play a role.

Albert O. is the one who likely won't make the team.

 

[Stoneworker]

As far as Trautman's receiving talents, Payton is quite blunt that they aren't top tier. "Some ability" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Other comments Payton has made have hinted Broncos were looking at similar-skilled TE's in the 3rd like Schoonmaker, but Trautman's price was cheaper.

We knew we felt like we needed this versatile tight end [Trautman] that could block and have some ability to catch, and we were lucky really that we didn’t have to draft it,” Payton said.

 

[rockaction]

I think that's exactly what he is.

I liked this at first, but his relative athletic score shows elite short-area quickness and weak bench with average size. He might not be.

 

[menobrown]

I think that's exactly what he is.

I liked this at first, but his relative athletic score shows elite short-area quickness and weak bench with average size. He might not be.

With all due respect that stuff can be handy to look to gauge an incoming player does not mean much to me when I've seen you play in the league for a few years. I've seen him, he's not very good.

Also I got push back on the narrative that Payton loves him or wanted him. Trautman lost his job with the Saints and has been asking for a trade since January, since before Payton got back in the league and the trade comp for him bordered on free.

 

[-OZ-]

I think that's exactly what he is.

I liked this at first, but his relative athletic score shows elite short-area quickness and weak bench with average size. He might not be.

With all due respect that stuff can be handy to look to gauge an incoming player does not mean much to me when I've seen you play in the league for a few years. I've seen him, he's not very good.

Also I got push back on the narrative that Payton loves him or wanted him. Trautman lost his job with the Saints and has been asking for a trade since January, since before Payton got back in the league and the trade comp for him bordered on free.

Right. He’s another body, better than Al-O probably. Knows the system so that helps but he’s extremely unlikely to be a difference maker.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

It's clear that Dulcich's skillset is not a perfect fit for the run-focused scheme Payton is building. But Payton also has a solid reputation of finding ways to take advantage of unique talents that create mismatches (e.g. Kamara, Graham, Taysom Hill).

My money is on Payton recognizing Dulcich's obvious talents and adapting his scheme to exploit them...not impulsively jettisoning a second year TE simply because he doesn't rigidly "fit" an offensive system or some "big ego" rationale.

Payton has been openly critical of most of what went on last year with the Broncos. He's also publicly got Sutton/Jeudy on the trading block...and we all know they aren't going anywhere if a deal can't be done.

So IMO the Dulcich comments are much more consistent with other "shot-across-the-bow things need to improve here" statements Payton has made than a death knell for a specific player.

How 'bout now, that he traded for Trautman, a guy he drafted early 3rd in '20?

A guy that started his college career as a QB, and ended as the Offensive Player of the Year in his conference (uncommon at TE, no matter the level)? 6'5", 255, btw, just fyi.

It could be that Payton wants both because they never got a targeted OL to drop to them, who knows, but I think it's safe to say Payton definitely likes Trautman and the kid is not just some blocking TE, with those stats he put up in college.

You have to be worried about Dulcic's numbers, in lieu of Payton's affinity for Trautman.

The numbers of each one of Denver's receiving corps took a hit the minute Payton said he was going to emphasize a physical running game in his very first press conference...and then subsequently signed Powers, McGlinchey, Perine and others to back it up.

I don't think Trautman's signing changes Dulcic's outlook any (he was never going to be "featured" under Payton's new scheme), but he's too talented not to play a role.

Albert O. is the one who likely won't make the team.

Perine is a quality signing but do we really see featured power run game with him?

 

[menobrown]

took a hit the minute Payton said he was going to emphasize a physical running game i

Parcells is the biggest coaching influence on his career and he has almost always tried to build a physical running team. I heard a story a few months ago that after some early struggles with the Saints Parcells told him he had gotten away from that, the physical running style, and from that point on he re-dedicated himself to making that a staple of the offense.

Other comments Payton has made have hinted Broncos were looking at similar-skilled TE's in the 3rd like Schoonmaker, but Trautman's price was cheaper.

This and Payton's comments before the draft that TE was a need is a legit concern for Dulcich. TBH that Trautman may have taken them out of the TE market is great news for Dulchich.

There are for sure some concerns that have cropped up with Dulchich. Not trading Sutton or Juedy has not been ideal as I had hopes that if Dulchich could not be the next Jimmy Graham then maybe something like Colston. Still like the talent and think people have overreacted a bit to Payton's tepid comments on him and I think he'll find a way to utilize him.

 

[menobrown]

I'm just a tad skeptical the value of comparing Sean Payton to Urban Meyer or Nathaniel Hackett in anything NFL head coaching-related.

Good point.

Most coaches do their assessments and keep them to themselves, though. Payton didn't here. What does that tell us? Maybe nothing, but it seems he volunteers too much here to ignore totally. Perhaps Dulcich is all that and has the year of his life. Perhaps he's a third-round TE who is easily replaced by a new staff.

We'll see.

It's clear that Dulcich's skillset is not a perfect fit for the run-focused scheme Payton is building. But Payton also has a solid reputation of finding ways to take advantage of unique talents that create mismatches (e.g. Kamara, Graham, Taysom Hill).

My money is on Payton recognizing Dulcich's obvious talents and adapting his scheme to exploit them...not impulsively jettisoning a second year TE simply because he doesn't rigidly "fit" an offensive system or some "big ego" rationale.

Payton has been openly critical of most of what went on last year with the Broncos. He's also publicly got Sutton/Jeudy on the trading block...and we all know they aren't going anywhere if a deal can't be done.

So IMO the Dulcich comments are much more consistent with other "shot-across-the-bow things need to improve here" statements Payton has made than a death knell for a specific player.

How 'bout now, that he traded for Trautman, a guy he drafted early 3rd in '20?

A guy that started his college career as a QB, and ended as the Offensive Player of the Year in his conference (uncommon at TE, no matter the level)? 6'5", 255, btw, just fyi.

It could be that Payton wants both because they never got a targeted OL to drop to them, who knows, but I think it's safe to say Payton definitely likes Trautman and the kid is not just some blocking TE, with those stats he put up in college.

You have to be worried about Dulcic's numbers, in lieu of Payton's affinity for Trautman.

The numbers of each one of Denver's receiving corps took a hit the minute Payton said he was going to emphasize a physical running game in his very first press conference...and then subsequently signed Powers, McGlinchey, Perine and others to back it up.

I don't think Trautman's signing changes Dulcic's outlook any (he was never going to be "featured" under Payton's new scheme), but he's too talented not to play a role.

Albert O. is the one who likely won't make the team.

Perine is a quality signing but do we really see featured power run game with him?

Mentioned this in my previous post but yes I do. I'd look at the significant signings for the OL.

They also signed Manhertz earlier who is a blocking specialist at TE.

 

[phandango]

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1652854252404895744

PFT reported that Trautman personally asked for the trade. So while I don't think it's great for Dulcich, it seems that Payton was more "sure, why not?" as opposed to "I gotta have this guy!"

 

[Stoneworker]

Perine is a quality signing but do we really see featured power run game with him?

Perine will not likely be "featured" in the traditional sense, just part of an RBBC until Javonte heals up and indicative of the style of back that aligns with Payton's physicality emphasis. Mark Ingram-type, if you will.

Since Denver didn't draft a RB, IMO they are also likely to sign another cheap vet this summer from the FA pool unless they see some preseason flash from guys like Badie, Jones, Crockett, etc to fill out the RBBC.

 

[-OZ-]

Perine is a quality signing but do we really see featured power run game with him?

Perine will not likely be "featured" in the traditional sense, just part of an RBBC until Javonte heals up and indicative of the style of back that aligns with Payton's physicality emphasis. Mark Ingram-type, if you will.

Since Denver didn't draft a RB, IMO they are also likely to sign another cheap vet this summer from the FA pool unless they see some preseason flash from guys like Badie, Jones, Crockett, etc to fill out the RBBC.

Won’t happen but a trade of Henry to Denver would be fascinating.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I don’t see Trautman being a threat to Dulcich’s numbers. As a Saints fan I can tell he’s been quite the disappointment after what we gave trading up for him. He has terrible hands and is very unreliable.

 

[Faust]

Zac Stevens @ZacStevensDNVR

Greg Dulcich is evolving into the Broncos “joker” player, per Sean Payton. That player, according to Payton, has exceptional ball skills.

https://twitter.com/zacstevensdnvr/status/1664339892674129922?s=21

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As a Saints fan I can tell he’s been quite the disappointment after what we gave trading up for him.

But Peyton traded for him again. Seems he must like him.

 

[Faust]

Darren McKee @DMacRadio

Standout player of the day. Greg Dulcich. Had his “best practice so far”. Looked really REALLY good.

https://twitter.com/dmacradio/status/1664341109735301120?s=21

 

[travdogg]

Dulcich feels like a high-end TE2 candidate. I think 500-4 with upside is a reasonable expectation. Dulcich had 400-2 in 10 games last season, but that was without Mims/Patrick in the mix.

 

[Faust]

Sayre Bedinger @SayreBedinger
Sean Payton says that Greg Dulcich's "menu" in the passing game is lengthy. He is talking about Shockey, Witten, Jimmy Graham -- "He's got traits that are exciting...Today is one of those days, you begin to have a vision..."

https://twitter.com/sayrebedinger/status/1664339942326034432?s=21

 

[SproutDaddy]

As a Saints fan I can tell he’s been quite the disappointment after what we gave trading up for him.

But Peyton traded for him again. Seems he must like him.

Well obviously. He’s an adequate depth player who obviously knows the system. That doesn’t mean he poses a threat to Dulchichs numbers.

 

[menobrown]

Dulcich feels like a high-end TE2 candidate. I think 500-4 with upside is a reasonable expectation. Dulcich had 400-2 in 10 games last season, but that was without Mims/Patrick in the mix.

I got him a lot higher and just my opinion but 500-4 seems unreasonably low to me unless we are projected him to miss a chunk of time again. I don't see Mims as a threat to the role he plays. Patrick might be but I don't think that threat wipes out how much better he should be in year two of a difficult position for rookies especially one's that miss a ton of camp and games. Healthy hamstrings and year two growth should see a extreme spike in production, not a little.

 

[Stoneworker]

More Sean Payton goodness for the Joker-not-to-be-confused-with-Nikola-Jokic. Choo choo.

“The ‘Joker’ player for us is not a receiver,’’ Payton said. “It’s either a running back or tight end with exceptional ball skills and then you can work matchups.”

“I think his menu (of routes and formation spots) is going to be lengthy in the passing game and there’s enough stuff we can do in the run game,’’ Payton said. “I’ve been lucky enough to have (Jeremy) Shockey, (Jason) Witten, Jimmy Graham and I’m probably leaving out a few guys. And I’m not saying this young player (compares to those players yet) … but I’m saying he’s got traits that are exciting and today was one of those days where you begin to have a vision.”

“The trick sometimes is trying to predict what you’re going to get defensively – if you’re going to get a nickel package or a base package,’’ Payton said. “But man he can run. He’s got good ball skills. And he had one of his better practices today. So you begin to build on that.’’

https://www.9news.com/article/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/broncos-joker-nuggets-dulcich/73-9ba718ae-9583-410d-ba52-f1a2a0689f41

 

[menobrown]

More Sean Payton goodness

https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1664351710930927621

The link is a video and if people don't want to watch it I'll summarize.

He says everything that Stoneworker says in the post above and concludes it by saying the joker role that Dulchich has the traits for and might play is similar to the role that Kamara, Sproles and Reggie Bush played for him.

So to recap he starts off by saying Dulchich has traits like Witten, Graham and Shockey and ends by bring up a role played by Kamara, Sproles and Bush. The haters will say it's coach speak but wow, that's attention getting.

 

[Faust]

Broncos coach Sean Payton said the team is starting to develop how to use second-year TE Greg Dulcich.​

"The trick is trying to predict what you're going to get defensively — if you're going to get a nickel or base package. But he can run. He's got good ball skills. So you build on that. I think his menu is going to be lengthy in the passing game and there's enough stuff we can do in the run game." Payton plans to use Dulcich in a joker role, lining him up at multiple spots to create mismatches. The Broncos added to the tight end room this offseason, trading for ex-Saints TE Adam Trautman, but Dulcich is the favorite to lead the group in targets. Dulcich missed seven games to injury as a rookie but was one of Denver's bright spots when healthy, averaging 41 yards per game.
SOURCE: 9News Denver
Jun 4, 2023, 10:15 AM ET

 

[Faust]

How Broncos tight end Greg Dulcich's skill set fits into Sean Payton's system

 

[DeaLerZ]

keeping a close eye on this guy as pre-season gets closer. Could sneak up into the top 5 this year

 

[skol asylum]

Hoping for a resurrection from Waller in NY and a surging Dulcich to give me a two headed monster punch on my dynasty team where TEs get a boost with 1.5 pts per 10yds. (Cool story bro.)

 

[DeaLerZ]

Hoping for a resurrection from Waller in NY and a surging Dulcich to give me a two headed monster punch on my dynasty team where TEs get a boost with 1.5 pts per 10yds. (Cool story bro.)

I am doing a similar strategy. If Waller stays healthy he will be top 3 with the potential for a monster season. Reports in camp are that the coaches have to tell Daniel Jones to stop throwing the ball to him because he is doing it too much lol .... Considering Pitts as well, but that is depending on health and how Ridder looks in pre-season action. Robinson is really the only player I want from that offense for sure

and I like Dulcich or Laporta as cheaper guys that could have really solid years as backups.

 

[packdog]

perfect te to target if you punt the position in a draft. get him late and possibly have goedert-like production. all roses so far in camp. patrick went down, hamler cut (though likely back), and a coach that seems to know what to do with him. prolly rises soon. one of the best potential gems for any of us who do early drafts

 

[Stoneworker]

Adam Trautman staring TE according to Payton's initial depth chart.

Broncos' 1st depth chart in pencil

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Love love love this guy as a late round flyer. One of a few TEs I believe have a chance not only to outperform their draft position, but also become a top 5 type fantasy guy at his position. He looked special at times as a receiver last season and with Patrick going down it could easily be Dulcich stepping into the big slot role. I haven't read the thread, but I assume Colston has been mentioned? To be clear here, he's a lottery ticket with upside. I don't see a lot of middle ground for him. Huge season or becomes invisible.

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

 

[Stoneworker]

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

Au contrare. The last week or so Wilson has consistently been tearing it up according to multiple camp reports and sources. From today...

Tremendous team period for Russell Wilson and the first team offense that saw great ball placement to Sutton and Jeudy. He continues to show more confidence in this offense/scheme. Love how decisive he’s looked over the past few days.

https://twitter.com/redwardsradio/status/1689333677442945024?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

Au contrare. The last week or so Wilson has consistently been tearing it up according to multiple camp reports and sources. From today...

Tremendous team period for Russell Wilson and the first team offense that saw great ball placement to Sutton and Jeudy. He continues to show more confidence in this offense/scheme. Love how decisive he’s looked over the past few days.

https://twitter.com/redwardsradio/status/1689333677442945024?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Not really the consistent message I've been hearing/reading from the local beat writers and radio personalities. They've been mixed at best. It was nice to hear players sticking up for him though. Everyone made him out to be a locker room cancer last season which was more than unfair.

On the field, if he doesn't use his legs more this season (if he even has legs left), it will be more of the same. Another disappointing season. I'll go on record and say I hope he does well.

 

[Stoneworker]

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

Au contrare. The last week or so Wilson has consistently been tearing it up according to multiple camp reports and sources. From today...

Tremendous team period for Russell Wilson and the first team offense that saw great ball placement to Sutton and Jeudy. He continues to show more confidence in this offense/scheme. Love how decisive he’s looked over the past few days.

https://twitter.com/redwardsradio/status/1689333677442945024?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Not really the consistent message I've been hearing/reading from the local beat writers and radio personalities. They've been mixed at best. It was nice to hear players sticking up for him though. Everyone made him out to be a locker room cancer last season which was more than unfair.

On the field, if he doesn't use his legs more this season (if he even has legs left), it will be more of the same. Another disappointing season. I'll go on record and say I hope he does well.

No idea who you are listening to but I follow the Broncos daily and the consistent message across the board is that Wilson has been stacking positive days for the past week.

Even FBG's own Cecil Lammey began yesterday's podcast with "Russell Wilson is starting to cook"

Lammey/Mason 8/8 Broncos Podcast

 

[Proteus]

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

Au contrare. The last week or so Wilson has consistently been tearing it up according to multiple camp reports and sources. From today...

Tremendous team period for Russell Wilson and the first team offense that saw great ball placement to Sutton and Jeudy. He continues to show more confidence in this offense/scheme. Love how decisive he’s looked over the past few days.

https://twitter.com/redwardsradio/status/1689333677442945024?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Not really the consistent message I've been hearing/reading from the local beat writers and radio personalities. They've been mixed at best. It was nice to hear players sticking up for him though. Everyone made him out to be a locker room cancer last season which was more than unfair.

On the field, if he doesn't use his legs more this season (if he even has legs left), it will be more of the same. Another disappointing season. I'll go on record and say I hope he does well.

No idea who you are listening to but I follow the Broncos daily and the consistent message across the board is that Wilson has been stacking positive days for the past week.

Even FBG's own Cecil Lammey began yesterday's podcast with "Russell Wilson is starting to cook"

Lammey/Mason 8/8 Broncos Podcast

So that’s a change of tune, as Lammey recently said he looked like dogsh*t(sorry Joe) on the preseason watch list.

Did he also change his tune about Dulcich? Because that was negative too.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

My biggest worry here is Wilson. Camp reports haven't exactly been glowing. Preseason should be a fun watch.

Au contrare. The last week or so Wilson has consistently been tearing it up according to multiple camp reports and sources. From today...

Tremendous team period for Russell Wilson and the first team offense that saw great ball placement to Sutton and Jeudy. He continues to show more confidence in this offense/scheme. Love how decisive he’s looked over the past few days.

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Not really the consistent message I've been hearing/reading from the local beat writers and radio personalities. They've been mixed at best. It was nice to hear players sticking up for him though. Everyone made him out to be a locker room cancer last season which was more than unfair.

On the field, if he doesn't use his legs more this season (if he even has legs left), it will be more of the same. Another disappointing season. I'll go on record and say I hope he does well.

No idea who you are listening to but I follow the Broncos daily and the consistent message across the board is that Wilson has been stacking positive days for the past week.

Even FBG's own Cecil Lammey began yesterday's podcast with "Russell Wilson is starting to cook"

Lammey/Mason 8/8 Broncos Podcast

So that’s a change of tune, as Lammey recently said he looked like dogsh*t(sorry Joe) on the preseason watch list.

Did he also change his tune about Dulcich? Because that was negative too.

I've heard the same consistently, about both. Anything positive has been far overshadowed by the negative. Maybe it's just scar tissue from last season? I'm not sure.

Dulcich can't block. His ability to stay on the field will be dependent on him being able to consistently win running routes and catching the ball.

Anything positive about Wilson is likely overblown, same goes for the negativity. Good news is Wilson has nowhere to hide. We get to see him in action, in days. Hindsight is 20/20, but not playing Wilson and the starters was a huge mistake among many mistakes for the previous staff. I'll be at practice next week FWIW, see for my own eyes.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Russ is cooked, anything else is half-baked hopium. Broncos made the worst trade in NFL history and it will hurt them for at least the next year, maybe longer.

 

[Stoneworker]

Surprised how little run Dulcich got with the 1's last night. Mainly Trautman in 11-personnel it seemed.

Perhaps Payton is keeping the whole "joker" role under wraps for now. Or perhaps Dulcich really is that bad at blocking.

Or perhaps nothing but I expected at least one target from Russ given how long they played.

 

[menobrown]

Surprised how little run Dulcich got with the 1's last night. Mainly Trautman in 11-personnel it seemed.

Perhaps Payton is keeping the whole "joker" role under wraps for now. Or perhaps Dulcich really is that bad at blocking.

Or perhaps nothing but I expected at least one target from Russ given how long they played.

It was a disappointing start. It was over a week ago and not sure what has transpired since but Benjamain Allbright was saying that he thought Dulchich was having the best camp on the offensive side.

Like you I'm hopeful he's not wanting to show to much or right not he puts extra value on Trautman since he might be more familar with the offense and that will change later. But I''m not sure what was more disappointing, seeing Trautman getting more PT over him with the 1's or Dulchich still running out there late in the second quarter with the 2's.

Here is a breakdown of snaps/targets with the 1's: https://twitter.com/PFF_NateJahnke/status/1690213047040659456

 

[BobbyLayne]

Or perhaps Dulcich really is that bad at blocking.

his run blocking grade last year was 33.8 on 151 snaps

they only kept him in to pass pro 12 times (3.5%) and his grade was 27.7

he ran 316 routes, we would normally be super excited about a TE with 91.3% route participation

he was in the Slot 201 times and another 29 out wide

in some offensive systems the OC/HC won't care, utilize your weapons

Payton had that kind of TE back in the day

but this dude is never gonna be an inline TE

Sean is a smart guy, I think he'll put his best players out there, but honestly who knows