TE Jimmy Graham, CHI (1 Viewer)

[LuckyOne]

He must of suffered a setback. No other reason to give him the week 1 NE Patriots Wes Welker treatment.

Not necessarily a setback, it's just the nature of the injury. It can flare up without meaning there is any more damage actually having occurred. Being at night, that may mean something. When I had this injury, my foot felt worst in the morning and at night. During the day, it was pretty manageable.

That sounds more like plantar fasciitis/fasciosis than a tear. Graham has a tear which is more consistently painful.

 

[Ilov80s]

He must of suffered a setback. No other reason to give him the week 1 NE Patriots Wes Welker treatment.

Not necessarily a setback, it's just the nature of the injury. It can flare up without meaning there is any more damage actually having occurred. Being at night, that may mean something. When I had this injury, my foot felt worst in the morning and at night. During the day, it was pretty manageable.

That sounds more like plantar fasciitis/fasciosis than a tear. Graham has a tear which is more consistently painful.

Good point.

 

[Tango]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

 

[steveski]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

 

[fantasycurse42]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

 

[Amused to Death]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

And the Saints didn't look like they needed to lean on Graham either.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You know expecting a tight end to score or go crazy every week is unrealistic, right? Graham has been an absolute beast this year, and so any rational person has to take a week like this in stride. Perspective, people.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

you need to take it all in context though.

graham did better than Larry fitz, Wes Welker, Keenan Allen, Dez Bryant this week.

Yeah its an awful week for him and they clearly had him on a pitch count.

I was hoping after the Jets game that the pitch count might be over.

 

[fantasycurse42]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

And the Saints didn't look like they needed to lean on Graham either.

He was playing roughly 30% of the snaps in the first half... When the game is 7-0 or 10-7, your playmakers should be on the field.

Funny that he was actually on the field more in the second half... They should've just trotted their #3 TE out there after Watson got hurt.

 

[Ilov80s]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

It isn't awful. We have to remember that he is a TE. Even during Gronk's record setting year, he had 3 games worse than 5 for 59.

 

[unckeyherb]

I posted this in the other Jimmy thread, but....

He still scored 8.5 for me last night. I mean seriously, you can't EXPECT a TD or more every single game. He outscored my opponent's TE, Gonzo, which is all I can ask for. He also outscored TE's that plausibly would be starters like Vernon Davis, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, Greg Olsen, Coby Fleener, Garret Graham, Martellus Bennett, Heath Miller. In fact the only TE's in my league that were started and outscored him were Julius and Jordan.

 

[fantasycurse42]

5/59 isnt awful, but I think he only played like 20% of the snaps if that and 0% of the running plays until Watson got hurt.

5/59 for Jimmy is awful... Anything short of 80/1 for Jimmy is a disapointment - He's set the bar high for himself.

He didn't look like he needed to be limited when he was on the field either.

you need to take it all in context though.graham did better than Larry fitz, Wes Welker, Keenan Allen, Dez Bryant this week.

Yeah its an awful week for him and they clearly had him on a pitch count.

I was hoping after the Jets game that the pitch count might be over.

I understand what your saying, but after last week you figured he was ready to go. Just disappointed with the stat line.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jimmy Graham (foot, elbow) played on just 33 snaps in Sunday night's win over the Cowboys.
A week after playing on nearly 77 percent of the snaps, Graham was back down around the 40 percent mark. He even sat out some red-zone opportunities, constantly shuttling on and off the field. Graham still ended up with five catches for 59 yards, but it's impossible to say when/if he'll be back to full strength. Plantar fascia injuries can be managed, but are often painful and only truly heal with rest. All that said, a 50 percent healthy Graham is still a top-three fantasy tight end weekly.

Source: Larry Holder on Twitter

 

[ebsteelers]

what number te was he this week?

top 5?

 

[unckeyherb]

what number te was he this week?

top 5?

see my post above-only guys that scored better than him (and were feasible starters) were Julius Thomas and Jordan Reed.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I have to play this beast today.

Classic

Ah, the classic reverse jinx.

 

[ebsteelers]

what number te was he this week?

top 5?

see my post above-only guys that scored better than him (and were feasible starters) were Julius Thomas and Jordan Reed.

thanks.. missed that.. good post.. cant expected a td every week and in my league he still got me 10 points, which was enough to out number my oppt te.

 

[Raider Nation]

You know expecting a tight end to score or go crazy every week is unrealistic, right? Graham has been an absolute beast this year, and so any rational person has to take a week like this in stride. Perspective, people.

He's not a normal tight end, as often as he splits out wide. He comes with expectations larger than every WR short of Calvin, like it or not.

 

[John 14:6]

You know expecting a tight end to score or go crazy every week is unrealistic, right? Graham has been an absolute beast this year, and so any rational person has to take a week like this in stride. Perspective, people.

He's not a normal tight end, as often as he splits out wide. He comes with expectations larger than every WR short of Calvin, like it or not.

Even Calvin has a stinker once in a while...

 

[Ilov80s]

You know expecting a tight end to score or go crazy every week is unrealistic, right? Graham has been an absolute beast this year, and so any rational person has to take a week like this in stride. Perspective, people.

He's not a normal tight end, as often as he splits out wide. He comes with expectations larger than every WR short of Calvin, like it or not.

Even Calvin has rough games. Calvin has already had two games this year worse than 5 for 59.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Worst case scenario for owners IMO:

Jimmy Graham says his limited workload in Sunday's win (33-of-83 snaps) wasn't the result of a setback with his troublesome foot. Analysis: "They just want to make sure that they're handling me the right way," Graham said. "They really look to limit me at times. You know, I've got some issues. But you know, everyone does. So it's gonna be like that from week to week."

 

[Ilov80s]

Worst case scenario for owners IMO:

Jimmy Graham says his limited workload in Sunday's win (33-of-83 snaps) wasn't the result of a setback with his troublesome foot. Analysis: "They just want to make sure that they're handling me the right way," Graham said. "They really look to limit me at times. You know, I've got some issues. But you know, everyone does. So it's gonna be like that from week to week."

Wouldn't worst case scenario be him saying he did suffer a setback with his foot and it is getting worse?

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It's pretty simple to me. The Saints were having zero trouble moving the ball and scoring with or without Graham on the field. The game was in hand from the 2nd quarter on, and even before then they weren't struggling at any point offensively in the run game or in the passing game. They set an NFL record with 40 first downs, and a franchise record for offensive yards. So... in reality the fact that Graham was even in the game at all is a very positive sign, imo.

Edit...

To expand on that. I honestly believe that they were only limiting him due to the general fact that he was beaten up a little in last weeks game. He clearly hurt his elbow last week, and wore a sleeve over it this week. I think that they were resting him up for that, more so than his foot which is just a pain management issue that isn't going to get worse.

 

[Tango]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

 

[FF Wiseguy]

To expand on that. I honestly believe that they were only limiting him due to the general fact that he was beaten up a little in last weeks game. He clearly hurt his elbow last week, and wore a sleeve over it this week. I think that they were resting him up for that, more so than his foot which is just a pain management issue that isn't going to get worse.

I get that it isn't going to get worse (unless they force a tear), but is it going to get better? Genuinely asking. I was actually hoping that they would force the tear early, so he could be back for fantasy playoffs, but are they going to let him go back to 80-90% of the snaps he was playing before?

I'm starting to get a little panicked. Not in the sense that I don't think he's going to be startable or even really good. But Graham commands a lot of trade value, and I'm starting to think getting "max" value for him now is the best move.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

To expand on that. I honestly believe that they were only limiting him due to the general fact that he was beaten up a little in last weeks game. He clearly hurt his elbow last week, and wore a sleeve over it this week. I think that they were resting him up for that, more so than his foot which is just a pain management issue that isn't going to get worse.

I get that it isn't going to get worse (unless they force a tear), but is it going to get better? Genuinely asking. I was actually hoping that they would force the tear early, so he could be back for fantasy playoffs, but are they going to let him go back to 80-90% of the snaps he was playing before?

I'm starting to get a little panicked. Not in the sense that I don't think he's going to be startable or even really good. But Graham commands a lot of trade value, and I'm starting to think getting "max" value for him now is the best move.

some player, I forget exactly who, basically jumped around his house and tried to tear it completely. and did.

Graham is going to be questionable all season, will have limited practices, and he will play every game (probably). How the saints use him will be different game to game. Maybe Watson being out will force him on the field more this week vs SF

 

[Tango]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

 

[steveski]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

You can call me Dr. Steveski.

 

[Tango]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

You can call me Dr. Steveski.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows2m
The #Saints two concussed players, S Kenny Vaccaro, TE Ben Watson, have been ruled out. The #49ers S Eric Reid, TE V Davis on track to play.

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[monk]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

You can call me Dr. Steveski.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows2m
The #Saints two concussed players, S Kenny Vaccaro, TE Ben Watson, have been ruled out. The #49ers S Eric Reid, TE V Davis on track to play.

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Any Graham owners starting to feel like he may have blown his load for the season?

That 59 yards no TD costed me big time last week especially playing against Brees.

All of a sudden I feel like it's going to be like this the rest of the way.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

You can call me Dr. Steveski.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows2m
The #Saints two concussed players, S Kenny Vaccaro, TE Ben Watson, have been ruled out. The #49ers S Eric Reid, TE V Davis on track to play.

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Any Graham owners starting to feel like he may have blown his load for the season?

That 59 yards no TD costed me big time last week especially playing against Brees.

All of a sudden I feel like it's going to be like this the rest of the way.

it is going to be like this the rest of the way.

He destroyed the jets just two weeks ago with the injury.

He wont be a lock for 100 & a td every week like he was before. but you still have to play him

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Not worried

 

[Phenix]

Graham's snap count might need to rise vs SF if Watson is out due to the concussion. The week following is a Thursday so Watson will have a somewhat limited window if they're thinking it might be only a 1 game absence.

I know it's not possible to diagnose the severity of a concussion and how long the symptoms will linger based on how it looked, but it did look pretty severe.

Watson did not practice Wednesday

Watson did not practice Thursday...

You can call me Dr. Steveski.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows2m
The #Saints two concussed players, S Kenny Vaccaro, TE Ben Watson, have been ruled out. The #49ers S Eric Reid, TE V Davis on track to play.

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Any Graham owners starting to feel like he may have blown his load for the season?

That 59 yards no TD costed me big time last week especially playing against Brees.

All of a sudden I feel like it's going to be like this the rest of the way.

it is going to be like this the rest of the way.

He destroyed the jets just two weeks ago with the injury.

He wont be a lock for 100 & a td every week like he was before. but you still have to play him

Still better than most TEs at 50%

 

[Andrew74]

Why would I be worried? He played few snaps and nothing around the goal line and still posted 5-50+. I was disappointed (cause I'm spoiled) but he still appears to have a high floor and insane upside.

 

[Tango]

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows2m
The #Saints two concussed players, S Kenny Vaccaro, TE Ben Watson, have been ruled out. The #49ers S Eric Reid, TE V Davis on track to play.

Any Graham owners starting to feel like he may have blown his load for the season?

That 59 yards no TD costed me big time last week especially playing against Brees.

All of a sudden I feel like it's going to be like this the rest of the way.

With Watson out he should be getting his highest % of snaps today since he had the injury. If they felt he couldnt cut it, then they'd either have to change their formation mix (I'd guess they go 2TE 10-15% of the time) or sign someone else.

As of now, count on Graham being in there for

(1) at least those 2TE snaps, PLUS

(2) everything he did last week, PLUS

(3) anything where they dont want the #3 TE in where Watson was in before...that would most likely all 3rd downs >1 yd no matter where they are on the field

That's a good amount of work.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yep...... JOSH HILL.

 

[flapgreen]

Not surprising stuff here

 

[RushHour]

This guy is a tougher start week to week right now than most people want to make out. It's boom or bust.

 

[just_want_2_win]

This guy is a tougher start week to week right now than most people want to make out. It's boom or bust.

I thought I was set to start the year with Graham and Cameron backing him up. So much for that... <_<

 

[unckeyherb]

He dropped a 40ish yard strike down the left side that would have made his stat line 80ish and a touch. Just saying, he's seeing action. The hill TD was pretty frustrating, however.

 

[Wombat x]

This guy is a tougher start week to week right now than most people want to make out. It's boom or bust.

Which can be said about every single tight end in the league except their boom weeks are 50 yards and a td and Grahams are 150 and 2 td's.

With the tight end landscape right now, I would actually say Graham might be the easiest start week to week in the entire league for any player.

 

[Tango]

I would actually say Graham might be the easiest start week to week in the entire league for any player.

Well, if Gronk gets in the EZ tomorrow the chase-your-tail consensus will probably move him to the #1TE ROS.

But, b/c of the state of the AFC East, NE's is more likely to be going to part-time starters in week 16 & week 17 than the Saints are right now and that has an ever increasing influence on rankings.

 

[General Tso]

Worried.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jimmy Graham played on 51-of-69 snaps (73.9 percent) in Sunday's win over the 49ers.

It's a major uptick from last week, when a lopsided score against the Cowboys resulted in just 33-of-83 snaps (39.7 percent). Graham only had six catches for 41 yards against the Niners, but his participation level says his foot was feeling reasonably well. The Saints play on Thursday this week which is a concern, but we'd expect significant work for Graham once again. He's managing the pain without too much of an issue.


Source: ESPN.com

 

[ebsteelers]

10 points for the week..

looks like he is currently sitting around 20 with 10 points.

some strange names at the top of the te circle this week

just going thru the names this week though ... i'd say there was about 10 guys who players in your league may or may not have used,

and another few that probable werent used (rivera, fasano, noble, housler, green, cumberland, zach miller)

 

[Tango]

Rotoworld:

Jimmy Graham played on 51-of-69 snaps (73.9 percent) in Sunday's win over the 49ers.

It's a major uptick from last week, when a lopsided score against the Cowboys resulted in just 33-of-83 snaps (39.7 percent). Graham only had six catches for 41 yards against the Niners, but his participation level says his foot was feeling reasonably well. The Saints play on Thursday this week which is a concern, but we'd expect significant work for Graham once again. He's managing the pain without too much of an issue.


Source: ESPN.com

Amazing that Roto can get through that whole post without mentioning Watson.

Watson's health, or lack thereof, presumably had a big effect on Graham's snap %. The fact that it's a Thursday game *helps* Graham, b/c Watson's chance of being cleared are lower for a Thurs game versus that of a Sunday game. C'mon Roto, get with it.....

 

[mbuehner]

Clearly gimpy and came out in red zone situations again... which is disturbing given how close and important that game was. The Watson factor is a good call... he's playing more snaps than he would be if Watson was healthy, thats pretty clear.

You cant sit him but I think he's about to lose that top spot to Gronk if he plays lights out again tonight. And honestly for the first time i have to start thinking Julius Thomas might be safer, if not as high a ceiling.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld:

Jimmy Graham played on 51-of-69 snaps (73.9 percent) in Sunday's win over the 49ers.

It's a major uptick from last week, when a lopsided score against the Cowboys resulted in just 33-of-83 snaps (39.7 percent). Graham only had six catches for 41 yards against the Niners, but his participation level says his foot was feeling reasonably well. The Saints play on Thursday this week which is a concern, but we'd expect significant work for Graham once again. He's managing the pain without too much of an issue.


Source: ESPN.com

Amazing that Roto can get through that whole post without mentioning Watson.

Watson's health, or lack thereof, presumably had a big effect on Graham's snap %. The fact that it's a Thursday game *helps* Graham, b/c Watson's chance of being cleared are lower for a Thurs game versus that of a Sunday game. C'mon Roto, get with it.....

Though I've seen the Saints putting the extra T/G in quite a bit I believe Graham might be blocking more too.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

well they dont need him to pound down ATL. Wonder how he will respond on a quick turn around week.

probably more of the same 4/40.