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TE Kyle Pitts, ATL (1 Viewer)

Wasn't he still recovering from the knee issue in camp/early part of the season?

He's 23 years old. We've seen Engram and Njoku have mid-career resurgences/breakouts.

I think if he's 100% and we finally have a coach that prioritizes getting the football to their top 10 draft picks, he should be a nice value pick for TE.
I keep trying to say this on these boards but everyone is to busy just blaming Arthur, who did misuse him, just was not the only thing going. Was really more of some Murphy's law stuff ranging from health, QB and Arthur.

But to answer your question as late as October 2nd, Smith said this: “Again, there are no perfect timetables. But there are certain things, you see him and he's doing really well right now and there are certain things that he can't [do well]. It's been a journey back. He's going to get there.

I'll add I know some people who study the tape that have commented all year long his lateral movement was compromised.

And if we go back to the previous season he had a hamstring issue early in the year, missed some time, but Smith said last off-season that people don't realize how much he was toughing it out to play last year dealing with the hamstring.

I think he's been dealing with injuries for the better part of the last two years, which is a concern in and of itself but he's obviously shown talent, is essentially the same age as Laporta(3 months older), younger then Kincaid.
 
Pitts said today that he had MCL and PCL surgery (in a post about how he was happy he was able to play all 17 despite that recovey). It was the first I had heard of PCL as well and would help explain the longer timeline. Did I just miss that or was the PCL not known?
 
Pitts said today that he had MCL and PCL surgery (in a post about how he was happy he was able to play all 17 despite that recovey). It was the first I had heard of PCL as well and would help explain the longer timeline. Did I just miss that or was the PCL not known?
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Pitts said today that he had MCL and PCL surgery (in a post about how he was happy he was able to play all 17 despite that recovey). It was the first I had heard of PCL as well and would help explain the longer timeline. Did I just miss that or was the PCL not known?
I didn't know he had PCL issues either. One would think this has been reported at some point, but I just missed it.
 
I also did not know he had PCL but other people sure seemed to know something was up with him, the bolded is what I posted in this thread in early October:

I remember reading an article from a Falcons beat writer in late August when he said he thought that Pitts would be active for the opener. I remember thinking in terms of I had zero idea it was in doubt. Then I saw Dr. Chao assign him a real low SIC score (which is basically the percentage of normal production that player will give you relative to his health). I mainly bailed on him for redraft after reading this stuff.

I'm actually glad to hear this news as it looked obvious he was not himself this season from an athletic angle to a point my concerns for him were well past Smith or the QB but if he was damaged goods because it should not take that long to recover from just a MCL surgery.
 
The PCL may also have something to do with his lack of production, but there’s still a lot more to it than that IMO. Something is just not there with him, poor QB play or not.
 
I wonder what his dynasty price is. I still believe but I wonder if managers are going to be still holding out an almost irrational price on him.
 
If he's injured two years, why wouldn't he be next year? Talking tweaks n all not serious injuries. Rhetorical but that's a thought I have.

I believe he has three TE coaches and Arthur who is a former TE coach and he was in the same offense (with some tweaks) that had Delanie, Jonnu, Firkser, and Jonnu again playing well. Player teammates coaching him up each year too.

This IS one reason ya make a coaching change but it's also a reason to move on if the trade value is agreeable.

Not all NFL offenses are for the TE to thrive like the Chiefs or Lions also. Maybe the new guy is fine with a 500 yard 6 TD common-ish free agent and he wants his WRs to be the focus?

Of course, maybe the new guy wants a Pitts thriving offense and...that too.

I think this is a highly volatile spot for FF.

We also used to say QBs that love TEs as a thing.

It's not the same gimme as a new coach wanting the RB1 and WR1 to thrive
 
I wonder what his dynasty price is. I still believe but I wonder if managers are going to be still holding out an almost irrational price on him.
Dude in my 1QB standard 14 team league wants/expects a mid 24 1st for him. Somewhere between 5-10. Which I personally think is laughable for a few reasons, most notably that he already has Laporta and McBride and has literally no use for him anyway.

Saying that, it's probably best to just ride out the new coach and hope there's an uptick in production, sell off the back of it potentially.
 
I wonder what his dynasty price is. I still believe but I wonder if managers are going to be still holding out an almost irrational price on him.
Dude in my 1QB standard 14 team league wants/expects a mid 24 1st for him. Somewhere between 5-10. Which I personally think is laughable for a few reasons, most notably that he already has Laporta and McBride and has literally no use for him anyway.

Saying that, it's probably best to just ride out the new coach and hope there's an uptick in production, sell off the back of it potentially.
KTC has him as a late 2024 first, so his personal value is maybe just a smidge higher than consensus. I think we could argue consensus value is a bit high on him in general due to the fact he only just finished his 3rd season, he's a tight end where people are more lenient with time to develop, and his record setting rookie year; he's likely largely still owned by the people who originally drafted him. Those original drafters mostly took him as an early to mid 1st. So how much would we really expect them to drop his original draft value considering all that? I'm with you on the side of not wanting to pay that for him, but I wouldn't say that valuation is laughably off base.

Also just as an aside, I can kinda understand the "he's stacked at x position so he doesn't 'need' x player" mentality we all get sometimes. But a hundred dollar bill's value doesn't change whether it's held by a billionaire or a hobo. Still buys the same amount of stuff at a store. He may be motivated to move Pitts from a roster construction perspective, but expecting him to value something lower just because you think he needs it less makes little sense. And when people approach me in trades with that mentality I tend to ignore them. In essence it's expecting the strongest rosters to sell their players for less because..... they have the strongest rosters. Odds are they didn't get the strongest rosters by employing that strategy.
 
If he's injured two years, why wouldn't he be next year? Talking tweaks n all not serious injuries. Rhetorical but that's a thought I have.
Torn MCL + PCL is not what I would categorize as a tweak 😅. But to your point did have a couple soft tissue injuries that lingered in years 1-2. I think we often see young guys take a little while to figure out how to avoid those and get more consistent later in their career, and some guys never figure it out. Other things like your knee going sideways in a game are just an occupational hazard that can't be completely avoided in football.
 
So how much would we really expect them to drop his original draft value considering all that?
I personally think quite a bit. He has finished TE6 - TE33 - TE13 in his 3 seasons.

Essentially expecting to get your money back on a guy who hasn't done anything for 2 seasons at a weak, low scoring position just because you overdrafted him in the first place is fairly laughable to me. And when you don't have any need for him anyway as you've two vastly superior young options, it seems silly not to turn him into something you could put into your lineup to me as well.

Also just as an aside, I can kinda understand the "he's stacked at x position so he doesn't 'need' x player" mentality we all get sometimes. But a hundred dollar bill's value doesn't change whether it's held by a billionaire or a hobo
In terms of putting points in your roster this doesn't track for me. Ignoring any silly tight end premium leagues, you don't or shouldn't really be starting 2 tight ends in any league you have serious designs on winning. The top player at the position scores less points than the 20th best WR or RB. You may think you've got $100 of value in someone like Pitts but your lineup gets precisely zero of those dollars if you aren't going to play him. $100 you can't spend or $75 you can invest right now. In the case of this team, it seems unlikely to me that Pitts becomes this teams number 1 tight end over Laporta of McBride at any point in the near future. Use him to upgrade your WR2 or 3 even if there is a disparity in your value and you feel like you are losing something. It's clear nobody is paying what you think he's worth but you can use him to put more points into your team.
 
$100 you can't spend or $75 you can invest right now. In the case of this team, it seems unlikely to me that Pitts becomes this teams number 1 tight end over Laporta of McBride at any point in the near future. Use him to upgrade your WR2 or 3 even if there is a disparity in your value and you feel like you are losing something. It's clear nobody is paying what you think he's worth but you can use him to put more points into your team.
in dynasty, if I think a guy will increase in value AND I am already getting points out of his spot (so his current production isn't hurting me) then I 100% hold that guy over selling him at current value.
 
The time to get him, if you wanted a discount, was during the season. Now Smith is gone and more news about what injuries he was actually dealing with has come out and hope is back alive. Why would someone who has had him this whole time be expected to ask for less now?
 
$100 you can't spend or $75 you can invest right now. In the case of this team, it seems unlikely to me that Pitts becomes this teams number 1 tight end over Laporta of McBride at any point in the near future. Use him to upgrade your WR2 or 3 even if there is a disparity in your value and you feel like you are losing something. It's clear nobody is paying what you think he's worth but you can use him to put more points into your team.
in dynasty, if I think a guy will increase in value AND I am already getting points out of his spot (so his current production isn't hurting me) then I 100% hold that guy over selling him at current value.
Yeah that's pretty on point with where I was going with it. And regardless of where he finished the last two seasons, he's still universally ranked as a top 6 TE, if not higher. Everywhere I can find, that's where he's at. Why? Because the position is the shallowest one in fantasy, I'd argue more shallow than QB, especially in a 1QB league. Regardless of what he's NOT doing for his owners team, keeping him on roster also keeps him from doing anything for any of your opponents teams as well. No matter how much anyone hates Pitts, he's a starting TE in every league that exists where you need to start a tight end lol. Objectively owning him and starting someone else means you have an advantage playing against the other teams in your league as they now have to start a tight end WORSE than Pitts. So I get your analogy back to me with the money, but it's completely one sided and ignoring the fact that it's not just how it impacts your team, but also the rest of the teams in the league. While I only have one league that still uses team defense, it makes my point the most clear. There was a point in time where I owned both Cowboys and Ravens defenses. And I carried both for several weeks, despite the fact I could only start 1. Eventually I did trade the Ravens def when I got what I considered a fair offer, but I scoffed at the lowball ones coming at me using your logic "well you can't start both". Well duh, but I also won't ever have to face an opponent starting one of them either, and they both proved to be a huge advantage this year putting up WR2 numbers most weeks.

Pitts showed his rookie year he can be a difference maker and score significantly more than the replacement level tight end. Owning that is an advantage in every weekly matchup, whether you are starting him or not. And I could be wrong here, if I am I apologize, but your posts don't read as though this Pitts owner is aggressively trying to sell him at a price no one wants to pay. I can see how that would be "laughable" or annoying. Instead it seems he's content with holding yet being pestered by you to sell him for less than he values as you try to explain to him how he should be running his own team. Just like the alternative case I laid out, I'd also find that situation laughable and annoying.

*edit replied not to OP so just consider every "you" a royal you lol, really aimed at anyone holding the OPs stance on Pitts
 
If he's injured two years, why wouldn't he be next year? Talking tweaks n all not serious injuries. Rhetorical but that's a thought I have.
Torn MCL + PCL is not what I would categorize as a tweak 😅. But to your point did have a couple soft tissue injuries that lingered in years 1-2. I think we often see young guys take a little while to figure out how to avoid those and get more consistent later in their career, and some guys never figure it out. Other things like your knee going sideways in a game are just an occupational hazard that can't be completely avoided in football.
I wouldn't either but must've been a different discussion somewhere else. I apologize. We had been discussing no surgery and torn versus slight tear which can be under and overstated on the web.
Anywho, I do think his is a volatile situation for his dynasty owner
 
he's a starting TE in every league that exists where you need to start a tight end
Maybe this is where we differ. I don't think he is, he hasn't been for 2 seasons.

I also think that the suggestion he might appreciate in value again to sort of be a falsehood as well. What you get for him could theoretically have just as much chance of appreciating in value.

He's one more bad season away from being worth nothing. The next OJ Howard. 2 seasons is a long time in the NFL, You can't just write off what he hasn't done the last two years as Arthur Smith and injuries. Clearly a talent, probably not quite the talent he was evaluated as, and maybe due to a mix of things, some of which not his fault, not going to live up to even half his hype.

Interesting discussion though (y)
 
Over the past two seasons, Kyle Pitts has been unquestionably the least fun, most frustrating player to roster in my 30 years of playing FF. I envied those who didn’t roster him. Felt fantastic to drop him.

The only way to approach Kyle Pitts in 2024 is with expectations of a middling fantasy TE with upside. Anything more and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Anything less and you could miss out on a breakout. Definitely draft him as a starting fantasy option, but don’t reach, and don’t expect greatness. Think Dallas Goedert level production, give or take, hope for more, and be prepared to drop him early and move on if he doesn’t start hot.
 
he's a starting TE in every league that exists where you need to start a tight end
Maybe this is where we differ. I don't think he is, he hasn't been for 2 seasons.

I also think that the suggestion he might appreciate in value again to sort of be a falsehood as well. What you get for him could theoretically have just as much chance of appreciating in value.

He's one more bad season away from being worth nothing. The next OJ Howard. 2 seasons is a long time in the NFL, You can't just write off what he hasn't done the last two years as Arthur Smith and injuries. Clearly a talent, probably not quite the talent he was evaluated as, and maybe due to a mix of things, some of which not his fault, not going to live up to even half his hype.

Interesting discussion though (y)
Honestly, despite my post, I likely align much closer to your personal valuation of Pitts. I just try to see it from the owners perspective as well. He is definitely one of those players where owner valuation and non-owner valuation will continue spreader further apart to the point where eventually it will adjust. For a 3rd year TE though, I'm not surprised at all to still see it as high as it is. Obviously not reality now that we've seen them all play, but on paper Pitts is still the best prospect we've seen at TE till really Bowers coming out this year, and going back for several years. Of course with all the information everyone would be choosing LaPorta at this point though. I probably overuse the 'hold' designation on players, but here I find myself again calling Pitts a solid, solid hold. I'll have to try to look up some real league trade data on what he's actually moving for right now. While I do think if he's moving, it's for a late 1st or similar compensation, odds are he's just not moving much at all. So to your points; can we call that his value if no one is paying it? Probably not. But similarly, I wouldn't say his value is any less than that if he also isn't moving at those rates. Hence the 'hold'.
 
So next year then? Is he that guy we anticipate this huge break out every year and it simply never comes?
I know this is a fantasy message board and his lack of TD's his first year made him meh but from a pure NFL player angle I thought he broke out in year one.

Now back to purely FF discussion I'm not so sure yet because I never viewed Arthur as the major problem so much as one of a few problems.

I've been spouting around here for months that health has been his major issue and then of course we know the QB issues. Hopefully he'll turn a corner on health, QB is TBD but hard to get a lot worse.

So likely healthy or healthier, hopefully improved QB and no Arthur but one big obstacle remains other then those issues working out.

And that is how his new coach handles his lack of blocking ability. This is a major issue and why I absolve Arthur more then most(along with his lack of health). He does not run routes as a TE, almost non-existent when I last saw the data weeks ago. The reality is he's about as much of a TE as Taysom Hill and what I mean by that is they are listed as TE's but they only play the position sporadicaly.

So what that has led to is instead of Pitts being a mismatch nightmare as a TE he's mainly lining up outwide or in the slot and teams don't treat him like a TE. When healthy I think he's a legit good X WR, NFL starter quality who some draft experts thought was arguably the best X WR in his draft class, but that's a much harder way, especialy with poor QB play, to be the all world difference maker some thought his talent would bring.

Right now we don't know his coaching staff, QB and I'd even add I'm not sure we should consider him a lock to remain in Atlanta. So hard to say how it's going to be work out but a big key to me is how his new staff/team will work around his blocking deficiences.

A lot of if's, but if he can get solid QB play, be healthy and get better matchups he'll start setting records.
 
$100 you can't spend or $75 you can invest right now. In the case of this team, it seems unlikely to me that Pitts becomes this teams number 1 tight end over Laporta of McBride at any point in the near future. Use him to upgrade your WR2 or 3 even if there is a disparity in your value and you feel like you are losing something. It's clear nobody is paying what you think he's worth but you can use him to put more points into your team.
in dynasty, if I think a guy will increase in value AND I am already getting points out of his spot (so his current production isn't hurting me) then I 100% hold that guy over selling him at current value.
Yeah that's pretty on point with where I was going with it. And regardless of where he finished the last two seasons, he's still universally ranked as a top 6 TE, if not higher. Everywhere I can find, that's where he's at. Why? Because the position is the shallowest one in fantasy, I'd argue more shallow than QB, especially in a 1QB league. Regardless of what he's NOT doing for his owners team, keeping him on roster also keeps him from doing anything for any of your opponents teams as well. No matter how much anyone hates Pitts, he's a starting TE in every league that exists where you need to start a tight end lol. Objectively owning him and starting someone else means you have an advantage playing against the other teams in your league as they now have to start a tight end WORSE than Pitts. So I get your analogy back to me with the money, but it's completely one sided and ignoring the fact that it's not just how it impacts your team, but also the rest of the teams in the league. While I only have one league that still uses team defense, it makes my point the most clear. There was a point in time where I owned both Cowboys and Ravens defenses. And I carried both for several weeks, despite the fact I could only start 1. Eventually I did trade the Ravens def when I got what I considered a fair offer, but I scoffed at the lowball ones coming at me using your logic "well you can't start both". Well duh, but I also won't ever have to face an opponent starting one of them either, and they both proved to be a huge advantage this year putting up WR2 numbers most weeks.

Pitts showed his rookie year he can be a difference maker and score significantly more than the replacement level tight end. Owning that is an advantage in every weekly matchup, whether you are starting him or not. And I could be wrong here, if I am I apologize, but your posts don't read as though this Pitts owner is aggressively trying to sell him at a price no one wants to pay. I can see how that would be "laughable" or annoying. Instead it seems he's content with holding yet being pestered by you to sell him for less than he values as you try to explain to him how he should be running his own team. Just like the alternative case I laid out, I'd also find that situation laughable and annoying.

*edit replied not to OP so just consider every "you" a royal you lol, really aimed at anyone holding the OPs stance on Pitts
I've got Pitts in my main dynasty league, and the bolded text describes my situation. Two other GMs have made repeated offers that include Pitts, and the offers are always a vanilla swap of high ranked players with Pitts thrown in on my side of the deal as a sweetener. Yes, it's annoying.
 
$100 you can't spend or $75 you can invest right now. In the case of this team, it seems unlikely to me that Pitts becomes this teams number 1 tight end over Laporta of McBride at any point in the near future. Use him to upgrade your WR2 or 3 even if there is a disparity in your value and you feel like you are losing something. It's clear nobody is paying what you think he's worth but you can use him to put more points into your team.
in dynasty, if I think a guy will increase in value AND I am already getting points out of his spot (so his current production isn't hurting me) then I 100% hold that guy over selling him at current value.
Yeah that's pretty on point with where I was going with it. And regardless of where he finished the last two seasons, he's still universally ranked as a top 6 TE, if not higher. Everywhere I can find, that's where he's at. Why? Because the position is the shallowest one in fantasy, I'd argue more shallow than QB, especially in a 1QB league. Regardless of what he's NOT doing for his owners team, keeping him on roster also keeps him from doing anything for any of your opponents teams as well. No matter how much anyone hates Pitts, he's a starting TE in every league that exists where you need to start a tight end lol. Objectively owning him and starting someone else means you have an advantage playing against the other teams in your league as they now have to start a tight end WORSE than Pitts. So I get your analogy back to me with the money, but it's completely one sided and ignoring the fact that it's not just how it impacts your team, but also the rest of the teams in the league. While I only have one league that still uses team defense, it makes my point the most clear. There was a point in time where I owned both Cowboys and Ravens defenses. And I carried both for several weeks, despite the fact I could only start 1. Eventually I did trade the Ravens def when I got what I considered a fair offer, but I scoffed at the lowball ones coming at me using your logic "well you can't start both". Well duh, but I also won't ever have to face an opponent starting one of them either, and they both proved to be a huge advantage this year putting up WR2 numbers most weeks.

Pitts showed his rookie year he can be a difference maker and score significantly more than the replacement level tight end. Owning that is an advantage in every weekly matchup, whether you are starting him or not. And I could be wrong here, if I am I apologize, but your posts don't read as though this Pitts owner is aggressively trying to sell him at a price no one wants to pay. I can see how that would be "laughable" or annoying. Instead it seems he's content with holding yet being pestered by you to sell him for less than he values as you try to explain to him how he should be running his own team. Just like the alternative case I laid out, I'd also find that situation laughable and annoying.

*edit replied not to OP so just consider every "you" a royal you lol, really aimed at anyone holding the OPs stance on Pitts
I've got Pitts in my main dynasty league, and the bolded text describes my situation. Two other GMs have made repeated offers that include Pitts, and the offers are always a vanilla swap of high ranked players with Pitts thrown in on my side of the deal as a sweetener. Yes, it's annoying.
Lol yeah I get that a lot myself, especially right now as I was lucky enough in one league to hit on Puka, Reed, and Dell. Add them to Chase, Diggs, Pittman, Deebo.... yes I'm (apparently) flush at WR. But no, I'm selling any of them for a 2nd round pick or adding them as an "equalizer" in a semi close player for player trade just because "you can't use them all anyway". Nor am I using them to buy an RB2 with a highly questionable '24 role because I'm lacking a bit at that position. Maybe I will eventually do something at RB, and even take a bit of a loss for roster constructions sake. But it'll be on my terms, and not dictated by another owner "just trying to help you out".

I really wasn't a huge Pitts fan (95% due to his ADP) when he came out, nor do I have a super optimistic outlook on him moving forward (he needs multiple things to go his way, I think meno summed up well above, so I see it as a riskier proposition and one not entirely in his own control). But I'd still never expect to get him from an owner as a throw in lol. It's that time of year though. I suppose on the bright side it's nice to see ANY activity and responsiveness in leagues, as opposed to lots of offers sitting in inboxes left "unread".
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
So ya got nothing factual and posted this weak response saying I have my head in the sand due to Smith...I understand
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
So ya got nothing factual and posted this weak response saying I have my head in the sand due to Smith...I understand
I say this with respect: you are probably the most in-tune with what’s gone on with the Titans of anyone on this forum. I read you post something a while back about how you weren’t originally a Titans fan but were asked to report on them and you’ve followed them closely ever since. I’ve read your insights on the likes of Malik Willis (and you were one of the few who hadn’t written him off yet this past preseason) and Jonnu Smith (makes a whole lot of sense that he’s productive again after a year reunited with his former offensive coordinator). I respect what you have to say regarding Titans players and coaches a lot.

That having been said, I think what comes off here is a bias toward Arthur Smith because of the success he had running the Titans offense. Thus being critical of Kyle Pitts because of the perception that he can’t hack it in that same offense, and the implication that Pitts should shoulder most of the blame for his lack of production rather than the quarterbacks who can’t throw a forward pass with any consistency. Brushing off Pitts’ slow recovery as excuse making is ignoring a significant piece of the puzzle as to why a guy who had over 1,000 yards receiving as a rookie hasn’t been able to replicate that since then. It’s certainly very possible that Pitts is just lazy and unmotivated. But I see how he produced in 2021 and have to believe there’s more to it than just that.

Either way we’re going to get some clarity in 2024 with Pitts at 100%, with new coaching running the offense, and presumably a new quarterback.
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
So ya got nothing factual and posted this weak response saying I have my head in the sand due to Smith...I understand
Okay I see this is going nowhere lol. You’re just going to continue being purposely obtuse.

Good day, sir.
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
So ya got nothing factual and posted this weak response saying I have my head in the sand due to Smith...I understand
I say this with respect: you are probably the most in-tune with what’s gone on with the Titans of anyone on this forum. I read you post something a while back about how you weren’t originally a Titans fan but were asked to report on them and you’ve followed them closely ever since. I’ve read your insights on the likes of Malik Willis (and you were one of the few who hadn’t written him off yet this past preseason) and Jonnu Smith (makes a whole lot of sense that he’s productive again after a year reunited with his former offensive coordinator). I respect what you have to say regarding Titans players and coaches a lot.

That having been said, I think what comes off here is a bias toward Arthur Smith because of the success he had running the Titans offense. Thus being critical of Kyle Pitts because of the perception that he can’t hack it in that same offense, and the implication that Pitts should shoulder most of the blame for his lack of production rather than the quarterbacks who can’t throw a forward pass with any consistency. Brushing off Pitts’ slow recovery as excuse making is ignoring a significant piece of the puzzle as to why a guy who had over 1,000 yards receiving as a rookie hasn’t been able to replicate that since then. It’s certainly very possible that Pitts is just lazy and unmotivated. But I see how he produced in 2021 and have to believe there’s more to it than just that.

Either way we’re going to get some clarity in 2024 with Pitts at 100%, with new coaching running the offense, and presumably a new quarterback.
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Pitts hasn't reached his elite potential because:
every QB stinks- even though Marcus had Delanie and Ridder had Whyle in college and Jonnu n Pruitt n others did fine with him.

His second year struggles are because he was injured.
His third year struggles are because he was injured.
A PCL MCl surgery seems to have become an excuse before AND many months after despite being cleared and no visible signs.
I can roll with whatever normal stuff we do with injuries- since when do we accept(word?) lesser stats before an injury? "Oh maybe he was hurt and didn't know it because when he jogged off the field it was more serious than he thought" is garbage and yet that's a common thought.
Example-
Random player runs for 1000, tears his ACL, runs for 800 the next year, says knee bugged him n adjustment...fine. What do we commonly accept for FF? 6 months? 9 months? So we say year two was down year due to injury, he'll be better year three. Right? Who says anything about that 1000 yard year?

We all say rookies take time to get comfy. We may say during a sophomore slump a QB needs to get comfy. Who says it about year three or after year three- hoping to get more comfortable in year four?

I didn't even bring up Arthur. JoeJoe did because he doesn't know what a fact is.
Generally Arthur complaints are about usage. Generally it's whining Jonnu or Pruitt or Hesse(22) or Firkser(22) got passes instead of Pitts.

Pitts had 90 targets which is good n high amount for a TE. How does Jonnu or Pruitt or...since when are we collectively unhappy with 90 targets for our FF TE?

Kittle had 90 targets with 12 more catches and 353 more yards.

Where are the people complaining of Kittle's OC or wanting his backups not to catch passes? 90 is a good number for FF.

Kmet had 91 targets caught 20 more of them for 52 more yards.
Kincaid 91 targets with 20 more catches

He was 11th ranked TE where I'm looking and I know that will vary in scoring. Guy was a prodigy that was supposed to be top 3, nevermind top 5 or top 10.
When we have the 11th ranked TE we consistently wonder if we should bench him. When we have a top TE we don't ever think of it. This is what we do and have done for decades. If Pitts fans don't like it, well ...that's how it is in FF.
 
Guy is an excuse factory.
He should be fined if he says anything about getting comfortable in 2024.
It's past his first few games, just block n catch the (keyshawn) ball already
What’s the excuse? Recovering from a major injury?

Sounds more like fact to me.
What's factual then?

I’ve gathered that you’re not a fan of his from your multiple posts throughout the year criticizing him and defending ol’ Arty.

At this point, you can either stick by those convictions and keep burying your head in the sand or just accept that he hasn’t forgotten how to play football since posting a 1K season at 20 years old.
So ya got nothing factual and posted this weak response saying I have my head in the sand due to Smith...I understand
Okay I see this is going nowhere lol. You’re just going to continue being purposely obtuse.

Good day, sir.
Here's a couple links

 
Falcons tight ends coach Kevin Kroger said the team views Kyle Pitts as an “asset” in the run game.

“We’re not oblivious to the fact of his skill sets, what he does bring to the team from a receiving standpoint, so there are a lot of things that you can do to be creative and use his skill set in the pass game,” Koger told the team’s website. “But with him and the way we’re going to run the ball and the athleticism he does have, there are a lot of things he can do in the run game to help us out to win football games. ... You’ll see him all over the field, not just out wide but also in the box.” Koger’s comments come a week after new Falcons offensive coordinator Zac Robinson said Pitts has “formational versatility” and would be used across the formation in 2024. It’s not exactly what fantasy managers want to hear about the hyper-athletic Pitts, who was relegated to a bit role in Arthur Smith’s offense over the past three seasons. Pro Football Focus graded Pitts’ run blocking 109th out of 110 qualifying tight ends in 2023. One-third of his snaps last season were spent run blocking. It would be a surprise if Atlanta’s new coaching staff did not deploy Pitts in a more fantasy friendly way.
 
Falcons tight ends coach Kevin Kroger said the team views Kyle Pitts as an “asset” in the run game.

“We’re not oblivious to the fact of his skill sets, what he does bring to the team from a receiving standpoint, so there are a lot of things that you can do to be creative and use his skill set in the pass game,” Koger told the team’s website. “But with him and the way we’re going to run the ball and the athleticism he does have, there are a lot of things he can do in the run game to help us out to win football games. ... You’ll see him all over the field, not just out wide but also in the box.” Koger’s comments come a week after new Falcons offensive coordinator Zac Robinson said Pitts has “formational versatility” and would be used across the formation in 2024. It’s not exactly what fantasy managers want to hear about the hyper-athletic Pitts, who was relegated to a bit role in Arthur Smith’s offense over the past three seasons. Pro Football Focus graded Pitts’ run blocking 109th out of 110 qualifying tight ends in 2023. One-third of his snaps last season were spent run blocking. It would be a surprise if Atlanta’s new coaching staff did not deploy Pitts in a more fantasy friendly way.
Good lord if they (continue to) use Pitts as a blocker they’re the dumbest franchise in history.

He should be purely a move TE
- gigantic receiver. Just the draft capital they spent on him should dictate that.

Seriously - just trade him and sign or draft a blocking TE. They’re a dime a dozen.

FFS
 
Seriously - just trade him
I think this is very possible.
I’d love that.

Signed,

— Jonnu shareholder in one league, Pitts in another
I'm just making up stuff but it's not hard to craft a narrative that it makes sense.

New staff, time to pick up his 5th year option this off-season, might need ammo to try and move up. Don't want to read to much into it as it might have just been said in passing but was still hard to totally dismiss Morris in his intro presser talking but Bijan and London and not mentioning Pitts.

That the FA TE market and draft looks super thin at TE ties this all together and makes the timing kind of right.
 
That the FA TE market and draft looks super thin at TE ties this all together and makes the timing kind of right.
Agreed, and while Bowers is getting some hype, it’s hard to believe any team will invest in him with a top ~12 pick.

He looks good compared to his class, but not sure how that’ll translate to his draft stock.
 
That the FA TE market and draft looks super thin at TE ties this all together and makes the timing kind of right.
Agreed, and while Bowers is getting some hype, it’s hard to believe any team will invest in him with a top ~12 pick.

He looks good compared to his class, but not sure how that’ll translate to his draft stock.
The positional value likely drops Bowers lower then people think and I also tend to think he's a double digit pick. The issue at TE is not what is available at the top, it's what else is available.

Just looking the draft only 3 other TE's were in Dane Bruglers top 100 players, and they were in the 50-100 range after Bowers.

In FA Schultz is the big prize and is he really any more valued then when he was just a FA and all he could get was a one year prove it deal for just over $6m? I don't think so but he should get more, should get overpaid, because of the lack of options. After him you are down to guys like Hunter Henry, Everett. Slim pickings.
 
In FA Schultz is the big prize and is he really any more valued then when he was just a FA and all he could get was a one year prove it deal for just over $6m? I don't think so but he should get more, should get overpaid, because of the lack of options. After him you are down to guys like Hunter Henry, Everett. Slim pickings.
Agree here as well.

Honestly I don’t think HOU lets Schultz get to FA. I think they’ll lock him up - he’s a very reliable target for a still very young Stroud, and made some big plays for them.
 
Falcons general manager Terry Fontenot said Kyle Pitts is healthy entering the offseason.

Fontenot said Pitts “fought through” a lingering knee injury throughout the 2023 season — a disappointing campaign for the former first round pick. The public — including fantasy drafters — was not aware of the extent of Pitts’ knee injury, which ended his 2022 season. New Falcons OC Zac Robinson said this month said Pitts has “formational versatility” and will be a key part of Atlanta’s passing attack in 2024. Pitts in 2023 ran 59 percent of his pass routes from the slot, the fourth highest rate among tight ends. George Kittle was the only tight end who had a higher yards per catch from the slot.
 
I saw on Twitter, he has three of the top five adot seasons of a tight end.
That's a big pill to swallow for some of the Arthur critics that blindly assume Pitts is great. That's like what FF people would order off a menu for him.

It's got a lot of exposure and I think it'll be a good start to this off-season where it's not about Arthur but solely Pitts. Solely talk about his development or lack of and his play.
 
Saw Falcons coach on a lot yesterday. Praise for Pitts potential. Has some clear opportunities to improve and not sure if he was capable of doing all that was asked of him and needs time to work with him.

Sooo Pitts fans that haven't choked down that he has issues there's the millionth time it's been said. That he wants to work with him is of course the positive ya wanna hear too.

He won't call out Arthur but many times yesterday he spoke of playing to players strengths and not putting them in situations they can't succeed. It's a long off-season and he has to see what Pitts can handle but he said it so many times, I think we ought to be prepared for most every Falcon to be subbed for. Gotta see gotta wait
 

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