TE Kyle Pitts, ATL (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

 

[msudaisy26]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

 

[msudaisy26]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

 

[JohnnyU]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

 

[JoeJoe88]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

Sorry, am I forgetting Jameson’s 1000 yard season he has under his belt? You can like him all you want, but he hasn’t proved a damn thing in the league yet. And he has had the luxury of playing on one of the best offenses in the entire league.

 

[Gally]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

Its never ok to let offers dangle with zero context. If you wanted to text the guy to say you are intrigued and are thinking about it that is one thing. If you don't do anything and just let it sit there that is bad form..............no matter when you do it.

 

[JohnnyU]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

I pull them after a reasonable time if they just let them sit without conversation. In-season or off-season.

 

[JoeJoe88]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

 

[msudaisy26]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Even if Jamo does that it doesn't guarantee he will be worth more than Pitts. Pitts could have a great season as well.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

Its never ok to let offers dangle with zero context. If you wanted to text the guy to say you are intrigued and are thinking about it that is one thing. If you don't do anything and just let it sit there that is bad form..............no matter when you do it.

Disagree. I send out more offers than anyone year round. During the season it bugs me when offers dangle, but during the offseason I can’t expect everyone to give a crap about FF. I understand some just don’t check in over the summer.

 

[Gally]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

Its never ok to let offers dangle with zero context. If you wanted to text the guy to say you are intrigued and are thinking about it that is one thing. If you don't do anything and just let it sit there that is bad form..............no matter when you do it.

Disagree. I send out more offers than anyone year round. During the season it bugs me when offers dangle, but during the offseason I can’t expect everyone to give a crap about FF. I understand some just don’t check in over the summer.

If you are in a year round league you should at least be checking in periodically. Typically you are also alerted by an email saying you got an offer in most platforms. There is no excuse to let an offer die on the vine.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

Its never ok to let offers dangle with zero context. If you wanted to text the guy to say you are intrigued and are thinking about it that is one thing. If you don't do anything and just let it sit there that is bad form..............no matter when you do it.

Disagree. I send out more offers than anyone year round. During the season it bugs me when offers dangle, but during the offseason I can’t expect everyone to give a crap about FF. I understand some just don’t check in over the summer.

If you are in a year round league you should at least be checking in periodically. Typically you are also alerted by an email saying you got an offer in most platforms. There is no excuse to let an offer die on the vine.

I used to feel that way, but no longer do. Some people simply don’t care about FF during the offseason and that’s their right. If I don’t like it, too bad. I’m not forced to send them trade offers.

 

[JohnnyU]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

I wouldn't trade Pitts for Jameson Williams and I have my doubts about Pitts as much as anyone, especially his route running.

Edit: To enter his last name. I hate just using first names or nick names when talking about a player.

I fully understand why someone would not want to trade Pitts for Jameson. I probably wouldn’t either right now, but if someone sent me the offer, I’d likely let it sit there as long as possible to see how things shake out leading up to week 1. If we start hearing bad things about Pitts and continue hearing great things about Jameson, I might pull the trigger on that deal.

The point is that such a trade would not be “laughable” as someone suggested, as if Pitts is somehow a proven high-value commodity.

Isn't it rude just letting trade offers sit without telling the person who offered it what you're doing? I personally don't leave offers out there indefinitely.

I hate when people do that in-season, but during the offseason I think it’s okay to let offers dangle.

Its never ok to let offers dangle with zero context. If you wanted to text the guy to say you are intrigued and are thinking about it that is one thing. If you don't do anything and just let it sit there that is bad form..............no matter when you do it.

Disagree. I send out more offers than anyone year round. During the season it bugs me when offers dangle, but during the offseason I can’t expect everyone to give a crap about FF. I understand some just don’t check in over the summer.

If you are in a year round league you should at least be checking in periodically. Typically you are also alerted by an email saying you got an offer in most platforms. There is no excuse to let an offer die on the vine.

I used to feel that way, but no longer do. Some people simply don’t care about FF during the offseason and that’s their right. If I don’t like it, too bad. I’m not forced to send them trade offers.

I agree, so pull the offer after a week. Who knows, the the guy you’re trying to trade for gets arrested or tears up a knee playing a pickup basketball game. In dynasty one should check in periodically in the off season, but I don’t get bent out of shape over it, and I’m not leaving trade offers out there until they expire, unless I forget.

 

[Ray_T]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

yeah but has Pitts had a pro level starting QB throwing him the ball?

he hasnt. so I'm willing to give him a little more latitude now. if he cannot produce with Cousins at QB, THEN and only THEN do you write this guy off.

 

[ZADO]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

yeah but has Pitts had a pro level starting QB throwing him the ball?

he hasnt. so I'm willing to give him a little more latitude now. if he cannot produce with Cousins at QB, THEN and only THEN do you write this guy off.

Yup...hes falling in mock drafts from what ive seen . He could be a mid rd steal

 

[pinkstapler]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

 

[Ray_T]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

yeah, well, hes produced better than Jameson Willams and hes a TE. that should tell you about who to value more at this point.
I do think both could be a steal at their ADP, but I also think their ADP will lower a bit. people quite often over react to what happened recently and Willams came back from an ACL injury as a rookie and second year had a short suspension. as a young player hes had no continuity or time on the field compared to what someone normally gets. I'd be willing to take him at his ADP (or slightly earlier) I feel the same about Pitts. he had pro level QB in year 1 but not since. and it shows in his stats.

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

Sure, but that difference in ADP is a way to capitalize on value and include picks, etc.

The trade as it stands is laughable - without delving into the future and analytics of where this particular trade doesn't suck. Pitts is worth a WR2 at current value - for you to go out and take Jameson Williams for Pitts without including any other value pieces, that is terrible fantasy advice. I can take the journey with you on valuing players beyond their ADP, but there still is a separation in value the way it sits today. You would be a fool not to add an early/mid-2nd or another player.

 

[satch]

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

Sure, but that difference in ADP is a way to capitalize on value and include picks, etc.

The trade as it stands is laughable - without delving into the future and analytics of where this particular trade doesn't suck. Pitts is worth a WR2 at current value - for you to go out and take Jameson Williams for Pitts without including any other value pieces, that is terrible fantasy advice. I can take the journey with you on valuing players beyond their ADP, but there still is a separation in value the way it sits today. You would be a fool not to add an early/mid-2nd or another player.

I’m all for getting as much as you can in a trade, though I think you’re overstating Pitts’ current real-world trade value. I could be wrong. It seems most fantasy players aren’t sold on Pitts despite his ADP. Nobody wants to give up proven commodities for a guy who’s been a disaster the last two seasons.

Do we have a resource that could answer that question? Like , actual trades that have gone down?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

Sure, but that difference in ADP is a way to capitalize on value and include picks, etc.

The trade as it stands is laughable - without delving into the future and analytics of where this particular trade doesn't suck. Pitts is worth a WR2 at current value - for you to go out and take Jameson Williams for Pitts without including any other value pieces, that is terrible fantasy advice. I can take the journey with you on valuing players beyond their ADP, but there still is a separation in value the way it sits today. You would be a fool not to add an early/mid-2nd or another player.

I’m all for getting as much as you can in a trade, though I think you’re overstating Pitts’ current real-world trade value. I could be wrong. It seems most fantasy players aren’t sold on Pitts despite his ADP. Nobody wants to give up proven commodities for a guy who’s been a disaster the last two seasons.

Do we have a resource that could answer that question? Like , actual trades that have gone down?

Sure.

I saw a couple trades recently:

Olave & Pitts for Bijan

Deshaun Watson & 2.06 for Pitts

Difficult to argue that he doesn't have value. The value wasn't what it once was. After his rookie season, I probably could have pulled two firsts + for Pitts.

Jamo & Rhamondre Stevenson for Keon Coleman. The league formatting is non-ppr and IDP (not sure on format and scoring) @Penguin did the trade, maybe he can comment?

There is not much movement on either player but I wouldn't accept Keon Coleman for Kyle Pitts straight up.

 

[Ray_T]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

no, if the player sucks hes not a bargain at any price.

and I would never endorse picking a player you dont think will do well. you need that to be the foundation of your decision making. I happen to think Williams likely has a career best year. granted the bar is low there..... but I wouldnt be surprised to see him put up WR3 numbers. floor rate of WR4 and max upside of WR2. I cant predict more than that because there are too many mouths to feed in that offense and Amon Ra is a bit of a target hog. Pitts is a different kind of analysis. hes not had a good pro level starter tossing him the ball since his rookie year. Now he has one. he rebounds but I dont know that he rebounds to the level he was at in year 1. I have my own reasons for believing that but I do think 800 yards isnt out of the question for him. I'd look at last years production as the floor

 

[satch]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

no, if the player sucks hes not a bargain at any price.

and I would never endorse picking a player you dont think will do well. you need that to be the foundation of your decision making. I happen to think Williams likely has a career best year. granted the bar is low there..... but I wouldnt be surprised to see him put up WR3 numbers. floor rate of WR4 and max upside of WR2. I cant predict more than that because there are too many mouths to feed in that offense and Amon Ra is a bit of a target hog. Pitts is a different kind of analysis. hes not had a good pro level starter tossing him the ball since his rookie year. Now he has one. he rebounds but I dont know that he rebounds to the level he was at in year 1. I have my own reasons for believing that but I do think 800 yards isnt out of the question for him. I'd look at last years production as the floor

Sorry, I’m genuinely not sure what you’re saying “no” to, or where you got the impression that I endorse picking players you don’t think will do well.

 

[Ray_T]

You'd be a dummy to sell, unless someone blows you away.

Enjoy the fruits of your patience, friends.

I would agree. I mean you have held this long why do you want to give him up when all things point to him being in the best position he has been in for his career.

Because it may be the final opportunity to sell on one last round of hype before it becomes evident that Pitts is officially a massive bust.

I’m not necessarily saying that will be the outcome, but that’s why you would want to give him up at this juncture.

Sure but It seems like the only way I do that is if it's a good offer. Giving him away for peanuts seems like a bad idea just because of the pieces being in place to prove one way or the other if he is a bust or a victim of circumstances. So it goes back to Soulfly......you would be a dummy to sell unless it's a good offer.

Right, it’s a question of value. Not much point in trading Pitts for a WR5, but a WR3 with upside? Maybe. For example, trading Pitts for a guy like Tank Dell could turn out to be absolutely brilliant.

was offered jameson williams and was an instant no.

Laughable offer.

Laughable? How so? Jameson has as much upside as Pitts, and they’re both basically starting from scratch. Granted, Pitts should see more targets, but Jameson will do far more with his.

I suppose position scarcity is in Pitts’ favor, but as far as 2024 expectations, I may be more optimistic about Jameson than I am on Pitts. In fact, I’ll likely end up reaching a bit for Jameson in drafts.

As someone who loves both Pitts and Jamo, I think Pitts has the more clear path to leading his team in targets than Jamo does. I also agree in the position scarcity. Both are stars if they hit their ceilings, but Pitts is a cheat code if he does because he's a TE.

Fair enough, my point was simply that a Pitts for Jameson trade is far from “laughable” as neither have impressed and both have big upside.

Would anyone be shocked if Pitts goes 4/32/0 week 1 while Jameson goes 4/125/1?

It is a very bad offer. No matter how you quantify your dynasty trades Pitts is far more valuable right now than Jamo. It could change, but as of this moment it is laughable.

The fact that it could change means it isn’t laughable.

Bryce Young for Kyler Murray is laughable right now, but that could change.

Of course anything could change, but the likelihood of Jameson having a better season than Pitts is far greater than Young over Murray.

Based on what? Has Jameson ever even had a 100 yard game? And playing on a top-3 offense in the league at that.

A quick search on KTC has Pitts at TE5. Jameson is WR49.

Maybe Jameson defies the odds and has a 1200 yard season this year, but at this present moment? Again, laughable.

Based on what might happen in 2024. I agree, Jameson hasn’t done jack in his two seasons. Pitts hasn’t done jack either in the last two seasons. They both have legit excuses. Both could have a great 2024. At this point, Pitts’ rookie season doesn’t seem all that relevant to me.

Again, I’m not trying to make a case for Jameson over Pitts. I’m merely saying that it’s not unreasonable for someone to think that Jameson is finally in position to blossom into the player he was expected to be.

Same can be said for Pitts, but there’s also reason to think Pitts is who he’s been for the last two seasons. If someone’s high on Jameson and tired of Pitts’ act, I could see rolling the dice on Jameson over Pitts.

Of course it could backfire badly, but could also work out fantastic. Particularly since we’re talking keeper/dynasty and an owner could have a top 5 TE plus Pitts. In that case, trading Pitts for a guy like Jameson might make sense.

The reason it is laughable is consensus value. You're entitled to your opinions on the value of Williams vs Pitts. But the fact is right now Pitts is valued around pick 60 in dynasty start up drafts and Jameson Williams is valued around pick 125. That's a difference in value of a 2025 early 2nd round pick, 13-15 or so. That's a huge gap. I think calling it laughable is generous, I'd find the offer insulting tbh and wouldn't bother with a counter offer seeing how wildly off in value it is.

Everyone has their own opinions on value. And consensus opinion can be, and often is, off base from reality. But that's also the best barometer we have to measure with. People are free to write it off, but denying it's existence seems to be an exercise in willful ignorance. And I'd imagine will lead to a lot of declined, if not straight up ignored, trade offers.

Of course I understand value in terms of ADP. I also understand value in terms of scoring points on game day. If Pitts sucks and Jameson is great, which is entirely possible, then whatever their respective ADP values were won’t count for crap. Unless, of course you play in a PPADP league.

Sometimes you gotta go with your gut, ADP be damned. That’s why we reach for players we like and fade those we don’t. Being a slave to ADP is a recipe for mediocrity.

no, if the player sucks hes not a bargain at any price.

and I would never endorse picking a player you dont think will do well. you need that to be the foundation of your decision making. I happen to think Williams likely has a career best year. granted the bar is low there..... but I wouldnt be surprised to see him put up WR3 numbers. floor rate of WR4 and max upside of WR2. I cant predict more than that because there are too many mouths to feed in that offense and Amon Ra is a bit of a target hog. Pitts is a different kind of analysis. hes not had a good pro level starter tossing him the ball since his rookie year. Now he has one. he rebounds but I dont know that he rebounds to the level he was at in year 1. I have my own reasons for believing that but I do think 800 yards isnt out of the question for him. I'd look at last years production as the floor

Sorry, I’m genuinely not sure what you’re saying “no” to, or where you got the impression that I endorse picking players you don’t think will do well.

I'm saying I like both at their ADP. it was previously mentioned that if pitts sucked it wouldnt matter what his ADP is. I'd agree with that. you should never draft someone you dont like. personally I think at their ADP both players are fine. I do like Pitts better than Jameson Williams but I'd say I'm not alone there as the ADP for pitts is considerably higher.

 

[Bri]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

 

[JoeJoe88]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

 

[Ilov80s]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

Agreed. I actually don’t want him lining up outside ever. Slot is fine but not outside. I don’t think he has the skills to beat outside CBs. I like his chances on smaller NBs, safeties and LBs.

 

[travdogg]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

Agreed. I actually don’t want him lining up outside ever. Slot is fine but not outside. I don’t think he has the skills to beat outside CBs. I like his chances on smaller NBs, safeties and LBs.

Only time I'd want him outside is inside the 10, running fade/slant, where you can get him 1-1 on a much smaller defender. Of course, that skill set also belongs to Drake London so...

 

[FarFromHome]

Id like to open with I was someone touting him as the next generational talent when he entered the league. Already had him in the hall of fame. Sold my kids college money to acquire him in all leagues.

This is the time of year where articles come out screaming he is now gonna get wr snaps. Maybe play linebacker. Return kicks. The hype moves his draft value up 3 rounds. Not buying it. I will say Cousins is huge. I also believe he does have his best year statistically.

 

[menobrown]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

Agreed. I actually don’t want him lining up outside ever. Slot is fine but not outside. I don’t think he has the skills to beat outside CBs. I like his chances on smaller NBs, safeties and LBs.

Admittedly have not seen it in the NFL. Whether that's been due to QB, his health or maybe you are right it's his skills but he's someone that Daniel Jeremiah proclaimed would have been a top 10-15 pick if he was a pure X receiver, was getting comped to guys like Brandon Marshall and Plaxico coming out.

No doubt what you do on on a real NFL film carries exponentially more weight then scouting reports but again he's had some excuses/reasons that might be ironed out and I'm not ready to say he lacks these skills. Feel like this year will let me know for sure.

 

[Ilov80s]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

Agreed. I actually don’t want him lining up outside ever. Slot is fine but not outside. I don’t think he has the skills to beat outside CBs. I like his chances on smaller NBs, safeties and LBs.

Admittedly have not seen it in the NFL. Whether that's been due to QB, his health or maybe you are right it's his skills but he's someone that Daniel Jeremiah proclaimed would have been a top 10-15 pick if he was a pure X receiver, was getting comped to guys like Brandon Marshall and Plaxico coming out.

No doubt what you do on on a real NFL film carries exponentially more weight then scouting reports but again he's had some excuses/reasons that might be ironed out and I'm not ready to say he lacks these skills. Feel like this year will let me know for sure.

I could be wrong but I swore I’ve heard on some podcasts that when he’s been lined up outside, he’s been pretty unproductive relatively speaking. I could be wrong and no doubt QB factors into it but when I’ve seen him play, I haven’t seen a guy who looks like he can beat outside CBs in man.

 

[satch]

I can’t unsee the lengthy montage of Pitts falling down, stumbling, and just looking sloppy and uncoordinated trying to run routes. I don’t know if it was injury-related or what.

I wish I hadn’t been burned by Pitts the last two seasons, because it’s so hard to buy in again. Yet, there are legit reasons to be excited again. Half of me wants no part of him, the other half still has visions of grandeur.

 

[Bri]

Don't overreact to current articles as people are on X. Him lining up as a receiver is not news at all
"This season, Pitts has played 265 snaps in the slot, 134 snaps at tight end and 158 snaps outside at receiver. In his career, Pitts has played 709 snaps in the slot, 557 as a tight end and 482 as a receiver."

I think people are more excited that he won’t have trash cans throwing him the football for the first time in his career.

Agreed. I actually don’t want him lining up outside ever. Slot is fine but not outside. I don’t think he has the skills to beat outside CBs. I like his chances on smaller NBs, safeties and LBs.

Admittedly have not seen it in the NFL. Whether that's been due to QB, his health or maybe you are right it's his skills but he's someone that Daniel Jeremiah proclaimed would have been a top 10-15 pick if he was a pure X receiver, was getting comped to guys like Brandon Marshall and Plaxico coming out.

No doubt what you do on on a real NFL film carries exponentially more weight then scouting reports but again he's had some excuses/reasons that might be ironed out and I'm not ready to say he lacks these skills. Feel like this year will let me know for sure.

I could be wrong but I swore I’ve heard on some podcasts that when he’s been lined up outside, he’s been pretty unproductive relatively speaking. I could be wrong and no doubt QB factors into it but when I’ve seen him play, I haven’t seen a guy who looks like he can beat outside CBs in man.

I strongly think Arthur has been unfairly criticized for his handling of Pitts. Not trying to re-debate the past but move forward.

I'm not sure there's ever been any more tutors brought in to help a player learn than with Pitts. Idk what his prob is but I remember Delanie and Peele and Hesse and....then there was Patterson last summer. The guy can't box out and/or use his bod like TEs do.

Arthur has always loved big WRs and TEs leading the wide runs and good luck to the smaller DBs getting past those blocks. If I'm Morris taking over this team, I wouldn't abandon that altogether. It's been a staple and they do it well- why change that?
Arthur loved to create mismatches which he did brilliantly in TEN and only meh in Atlanta. The Falcons didn't always have a QB you want calling audibles at the LOS and that's somewhat integral to it.
So here Pitts is outside and the D sees he's at an advantage blocking, so a bigger LB is on him. If Arthur was there, Cousins would be calling for Pitts to instead take that linebacker with his speed. This audible aspect, idk how the new staff feels but it's too Arthur-y so it's probably gone. They will though create mismatches their own way and Pitts is the main guy that comes to mind to utilize.

I'm wondering if the new staff tried to teach him to box out yet again and went ooof were just going to have to move this guy around.

Don't forget Jonnu filled a very simple role and isn't there. If Pitts would just get on the block and post up there'd be tons of opportunity by adding that to his already high usage. I'd like to know if that happened because I may need their backup TE that will box out on my FF team then. Those guys get gimme TDs and can cover byes

 

[gbill2004]

Any camp updates on Pitts?

What are your projections for him this season with Cousins?

How's his knee?

 

[DeaLerZ]

Any updates on how his connection with Kirk Cousins has looked? Pitts Finally has a QB and one who likes to throw to his TE. Could be a league winner if he is fully healthy, and they have a plan to get him the ball?

Anyone have any insight? Can't seem to find any news on this at all

 

[Rubi]

Any updates on how his connection with Kirk Cousins has looked? Pitts Finally has a QB and one who likes to throw to his TE. Could be a league winner if he is fully healthy, and they have a plan to get him the ball?

Anyone have any insight? Can't seem to find any news on this at all

No news is good news.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Is this the year we finally see Pitts reach his potential? New QB, new OC...

 

[jonramz]

1st real update on Pitts I've seen in awhile (it's good news)

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[Drake Hater]

Wish they talked about where he was lining up. If he's getting slot opportunities, then the sky's the limit.

 

[TLEF316]

On the train. Never drafted him before. Kinda think this is the year.

 

[BassNBrew]

In my most important league I pretty much wagered the season on him treading water with the 4th round WRs. Traded 3/4 turn picks for an early 3rd and 6th to acquire Kupp and Pitts. Funniest thing is that I already had secured Laporta and Ferguson when I did this and may be rolling out TEs in both flex positions. Did this on nothing more than a hunch coaching and injury were holding him back.

 

[Faust]

Marc Raimondi
Morris says Kyle Pitts tweaked his hamstring a couple weeks ago and it "hadn’t affected him too much." He practiced Monday and will again today, just in a limited capacity. #Falcons

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[GreenNGold]

I think just like last year, if you are thinking of drafting Pitts, it will be better to just wait several rounds and take Jonnu Smith instead.
Around Pitts ADP I much prefer Engram, especially in PPR.

 

[Faust]

Baillie Burmaster
Falcons OC Zac Robinson on Kyle Pitts and his hamstring: "He was moving around really well today...and had no real limitations today,"

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[Loris]

Is this the next Waller ?