TE Kyle Pitts, ATL (7 Viewers)

[jvdesigns2002]

Literally just dropping him to waivers in dynasty. I don't care what he does in the future. I need to pretend like he never existed for my own sanity.

I wouldn’t just drop him in dynasty. I’ve been a huge critic of Pitts in years past and I would venture to say that there is a good chance that another owner or two in your league believe that Pitts is a potential high upside TE. I would put him on the trading block in your league and see what kind of offers you get before outright dropping him. This season—I think we need to look at the TE position in fantasy football differently. I think you have to weigh floor more than you do ceiling. I think the nature of almost all decent TE’s is that they will each probably have one or two big games in the season—it’s how they do in the other 12-14 that matter to your team more. If a guy can only win you a couple of weeks—but he can lose you 4-5 weeks by getting zero’s or close to it—-that’s a negative asset. I waited on TE in my main league this year and ended up with Friermuth. I knew that he wouldn’t have many big games—but he was a guy that I thought would get me 7-10 fantasy points very consistently (PPR format). He’s done exactly that, and he caught a TD yesterday—which is icing on the cake.

 

[farfromforgotten]

I don’t see how you can’t get anything for him in dynasty leagues. Even if it’s just a second round pick or perhaps another underperforming player in return or something.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I don’t see how you can’t get anything for him in dynasty leagues. Even if it’s just a second round pick or perhaps another underperforming player in return or something.

There are lots of fantasy owners that pay attention to or listen to “fantasy experts”. These experts are on YouTube, on various fantasy football subscription websites—and these experts have played a big part in the Pitts hype train. If you are in a 10 or 12 team dynasty league—I could see somebody offering a second round pick for him. I also think that he could be used as a deal sweetener throw in if there is another deal that you are hoping to make..etc.

 

[zamboni]

This season—I think we need to look at the TE position in fantasy football differently. I think you have to weigh floor more than you do ceiling.

Very true and I think many in the fantasy community got a bit blindsided about there being a handful of top notch TEs to replace Kelce. Truth be told, there may not be another Kelce for a very long time. TE is not typically the first read by most QBs, so it's rare to have consistent production that guys like Kelce, Gronk and Gonzalez have had. Maybe Bowers is the next one, but we're a ways off from that determination.

 

[Payne]

With Cousins, this really SHOULD have been the year if there was going to be one.
We have seen Kirk feed TE's throughout the years.

 

[zamboni]

With Cousins, this really SHOULD have been the year if there was going to be one.
We have seen Kirk feed TE's throughout the years.

Yes - while Cousins hasn’t been the Cousins of old, seems like Pitts’ issues stem way behind that.

 

[General Malaise]

It's not like Drake London is lighting the world on fire. Many publications had him listed as a 'breakout' and some a top 10 to top 15 WR. Right now he's 33rd in reception yards, well below teammate Darnell Mooney who nobody had ranked highly to start the year.

The whole thing is frustrating. I bought into ATL this year hook, line and sinker. I'm ready to cut Pitts in all leagues and London is really not must start material either. Can't even really trust Bijon Robinson at this point either.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's not like Drake London is lighting the world on fire. Many publications had him listed as a 'breakout' and some a top 10 to top 15 WR. Right now he's 33rd in reception yards, well below teammate Darnell Mooney who nobody had ranked highly to start the year.

The whole thing is frustrating. I bought into ATL this year hook, line and sinker. I'm ready to cut Pitts in all leagues and London is really not must start material either. Can't even really trust Bijon Robinson at this point either.

If London isn't lighting the world on fire, then Pitts is in the pacific northwest trying start a fire with wet wood and one match.

 

[menobrown]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

 

[JohnnyU]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

I have mentioned it twice with no replies. Pitts could have a route running issue. I believe it was Matt Waldman that brought this up a long time ago in one of his podcasts, but I could be wrong and it was someone else. I can't remember.

 

[JoeJoe88]

With Cousins, this really SHOULD have been the year if there was going to be one.
We have seen Kirk feed TE's throughout the years.

Cousins hasn’t really looked good outside of a few drives. The offense as a whole has still looked extremely discombobulated, which makes sense giving all the new coaches and personnel. We just have to hope it gets better.

London hasn’t eclipsed over 67 yards in a game this season yet, so it’s clearly not just Pitts.

That said, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed. And it’s hard to really see it getting much better any time soon unless this offense really starts clicking.

 

[menobrown]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

I have mentioned it twice with no replies. Pitts could have a route running issue. I believe it was Matt Waldman that brought this up a long time ago in one of his podcasts, but I could be wrong and it was someone else. I can't remember.

But even if that's an issue I don't see how that answers the question of regression.

 

[JohnnyU]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

I have mentioned it twice with no replies. Pitts could have a route running issue. I believe it was Matt Waldman that brought this up a long time ago in one of his podcasts, but I could be wrong and it was someone else. I can't remember.

But even if that's an issue I don't see how that answers the question of regression.

I suppose it could be a combination of several things. At some point we have to quit using the rookie season as a measuring stick and start using his entire body of work.

 

[GreenNGold]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

I have mentioned it twice with no replies. Pitts could have a route running issue. I believe it was Matt Waldman that brought this up a long time ago in one of his podcasts, but I could be wrong and it was someone else. I can't remember.

But even if that's an issue I don't see how that answers the question of regression.

I suppose it could be a combination of several things. At some point we have to quit using the rookie season as a measuring stick and start using his entire body of work.

His rookie year was a massive bust as well, when compared to his ADP. He has never had a good year as far as fantasy football is concerned.

 

[zamboni]

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

That was Matt Ryan’s last year with them IIRC and Pitts was peppered with targets when there were really no other receiving options. In hindsight seems like production out of target default.

 

[menobrown]

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

That was Matt Ryan’s last year with them IIRC and Pitts was peppered with targets when there were really no other receiving options. In hindsight seems like production out of target default.

He only got 110 targets and the reason I referenced the YPC of over 15 was to suggest he was not some compiler, he was really good.

 

[zamboni]

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

That was Matt Ryan’s last year with them IIRC and Pitts was peppered with targets when there were really no other receiving options. In hindsight seems like production out of target default.

He only got 110 targets and the reason I referenced the YPC of over 15 was to suggest he was not some compiler, he was really good.

True he had a bunch of blowup games. Not sure what happened - maybe he snuck up on the league and took a bit before defenses could take him out of games.

 

[wlwiles]

I only have him in dynasty, and I spent the 1.04 on him. Perhaps more foolishly, I then ignored TE for a while, so I'm basically left with only Okonkwo and Otten behind him.

I keep telling myself that he's only 23, and even if at some point he needs to be re-taught how to play football/run routes/whatever, the athletic tools are there and time is still on his side. I've not had one person send me an offer of any kind for him since he got hurt in his sophomore season. Maybe he needs to land on a different team or get a new QB or a new TE coach, or maybe he needs to start having sleepovers at Penix' house and plan for 2026, I dunno...

I do know that after drafting him where I did and holding him this long, if I trade him away and he ends up contending for TE1 in a couple years...I dunno what I'll do but it'll involve lots of 4 letter words I'm sure.

 

[Lansdowne]

I only have him in dynasty, and I spent the 1.04 on him. Perhaps more foolishly, I then ignored TE for a while, so I'm basically left with only Okonkwo and Otten behind him.

I keep telling myself that he's only 23, and even if at some point he needs to be re-taught how to play football/run routes/whatever, the athletic tools are there and time is still on his side. I've not had one person send me an offer of any kind for him since he got hurt in his sophomore season. Maybe he needs to land on a different team or get a new QB or a new TE coach, or maybe he needs to start having sleepovers at Penix' house and plan for 2026, I dunno...

I do know that after drafting him where I did and holding him this long, if I trade him away and he ends up contending for TE1 in a couple years...I dunno what I'll do but it'll involve lots of 4 letter words I'm sure.

I took Pitts at 1.01 in my dynasty rookie draft because I wanted the TE1 and felt I'd have an easier time finding a stud WR later. I've had nothing but regrets. But I've also been cursed with seeing Pitts go off on my bench whenever I sit him while the waiver wire add of the week puts up a goose egg. I'm sure that would happen again too, if there were any TE's in FA left worth grabbing. I'm waiting it out with Pitts, for better or [most likely] worse. Rest of my team has been playing like dog $hit too so I might as well just roll with it. My expectations have already plummeted and my hopes aren't far behind.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Serious question.

He was not great for fantasy as a rookie mainly due to TD's but over 1K yards and 15 PPC as a TE or WR/TE hybrid for someone who turned 21 in-season that year is no joke.

A lot of us/me rationalized his health, QB play and Arthur as reasons.

Now it's looking more like he just got worse.

How? Why? That's what I'm puzzled about. I really thought he'd be a cheat code in TEP leagues. Guys like Daniel Jeremiah were comping him to Brandon Marshall entering the draft and after his first year that actually seemed legit. One of the more puzzling player regressions I can recall.

I have mentioned it twice with no replies. Pitts could have a route running issue. I believe it was Matt Waldman that brought this up a long time ago in one of his podcasts, but I could be wrong and it was someone else. I can't remember.

I can tell you what my sneaking suspicion is—but the problem is that there is no real way to “quantify” if it is accurate. One of the ways that a tight end can be valuable to a quarterback is being great at chipping and blocking, and then finding a knack to get into some open green space in order to give his quarterback a safety valve or dump off option. I think Pitts could be good at blocking—but I don’t know how good he is in finding ways to get to medium or shallow depth for his quarterback after he chips/blocks. It seems to me that when he does make big plays—it’s almost like he’s doing so as more of a receiver than he his a tight end. The guy is an athletic freak for a tight end—but I don’t think he’s an athletic freak relative to world of NFL wide receivers. You couple that with the stat that so far in 4 games this season—Atlanta has only had one player that has had over 70 receiving yards in a game—that was Darnell Mooney on 3 receptions. Until he learns how to slip into open space after performing his blocking duties as a tight end—I think he’s going to be inconsistent. Sure—he’ll have a couple/few big games where he makes big plays—similar to how boom and bust receivers do—but it will be hard for him to have the consistent floor that you’d like to have from a player that is considered to be a top fantasy candidate in his position.

 

[zeeshan2]

How’s his route running this year?

[Barrett] Kyle Pitts has a 0.000 separation score against both man and zone coverage (per @fantasyptsdata)

 

[BladeRunner]

How’s his route running this year?

[Barrett] Kyle Pitts has a 0.000 separation score against both man and zone coverage (per @fantasyptsdata)

lower is better, right?

 

[JohnnyU]

How’s his route running this year?

[Barrett] Kyle Pitts has a 0.000 separation score against both man and zone coverage (per @fantasyptsdata)

Ouch. I suspected as much. Thus the reason I asked.

He has run out of excuses. One would think Cousins would be his salvation.

Arthur Smith
Jonnu Smith
Mariota
Injuries
Ridder

 

[karl.Racki]

Jared Goff showed tonight, he is a better play at receiver then Pitts..

 

[cockroach]

Literally just dropping him to waivers in dynasty. I don't care what he does in the future. I need to pretend like he never existed for my own sanity.

Get a 3rd at least

 

[zeeshan2]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

 

[JohnnyU]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

Not very inventive routes. Even if he does catch it there isn't much there to gain afterwards. I thought he is supposed to be this athletic freak with quicks, so why aren't they trying to draw up better plays? He doesn't appear to be getting good separation either because of the lousy plays for him. I posted there has been criticism of his route running, but from looking at those clips it doesn't appear they are even trying to set him up for success.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

 

[JohnnyU]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

 

[zamboni]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Sort of what I was thinking. Doesn't seem to have that "my ball" mentality and a bit sluggish on his routes, although I'm not much of a scout.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Perhaps—but the last few seasons have shown that his athleticism gets massively neutralized when he lines up as a WR. I feel like they are better off improving his tight end skills than they are trying to use him as a pseudo wr. Most TE’s that are receiving threats also have an ability to “box out” defensive players and give their qb’s a target even in cases where there isn’t much separation. I didn’t see much of that there.

 

[JohnnyU]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Sort of what I was thinking. Doesn't seem to have that "my ball" mentality and a bit sluggish on his routes, although I'm not much of a scout.

They have no choice but to play him out wide, because he would get killed playing on the line. From the looks of those clips they could do a better job at play calling. Those were basic short routes that wouldn't produce anything even if he caught it. But of course if you're having issues running routes in general, that wouldn't help either.

 

[JohnnyU]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Perhaps—but the last few seasons have shown that his athleticism gets massively neutralized when he lines up as a WR. I feel like they are better off improving his tight end skills than they are trying to use him as a pseudo wr. Most TE’s that are receiving threats also have an ability to “box out” defensive players and give their qb’s a target even in cases where there isn’t much separation. I didn’t see much of that there.

If he is getting neutralized playing WR, he sure as hell would get neutralized going up against a mountain man. I think they should try and improve whatever he's doing wrong running routes and get him in motion more for him to utilize his supposedly athletic ability.

 

[Grahamburn]

Don't know that anyone will start him, but the Bucs typically really struggle against TE's historically, and their 3rd down coverage LB (Dennis) is not going to play. Britt, who will now be forced into a full time role, has been exposed in coverage continuously.

They may try to cover him with a DB though if he's in the slot, and Tykee Smith has been good.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Don't know that anyone will start him, but the Bucs typically really struggle against TE's historically, and their 3rd down coverage LB (Dennis) is not going to play. Britt, who will now be forced into a full time role, has been exposed in coverage continuously.

They may try to cover him with a DB though if he's in the slot, and Tykee Smith has been good.

If there was a way to find out what percentage of his fantasy owners started him—I would start him in the week where the vast majority of his owners are benching him. Those are the few weeks when the dude goes off and gives the fantasy community faith to start him again—and he will show them love by disappearing for the next few games after that. (Just kidding—-well kinda).

 

[zamboni]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Sort of what I was thinking. Doesn't seem to have that "my ball" mentality and a bit sluggish on his routes, although I'm not much of a scout.

They have no choice but to play him out wide, because he would get killed playing on the line. From the looks of those clips they could do a better job at play calling. Those were basic short routes that wouldn't produce anything even if he caught it. But of course if you're having issues running routes in general, that wouldn't help either.

Agreed - he's getting knocked down/falling down on every one of those clips against smaller CBs. Imagine how much he'll get manhandled on the line - no wonder Jonnu Smith played so much over him last year. It wasn't an Arthur Smith thing, it appears.

 

[JohnnyU]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Sort of what I was thinking. Doesn't seem to have that "my ball" mentality and a bit sluggish on his routes, although I'm not much of a scout.

They have no choice but to play him out wide, because he would get killed playing on the line. From the looks of those clips they could do a better job at play calling. Those were basic short routes that wouldn't produce anything even if he caught it. But of course if you're having issues running routes in general, that wouldn't help either.

Agreed - he's getting knocked down/falling down on every one of those clips against smaller CBs. Imagine how much he'll get manhandled on the line - no wonder Jonnu Smith played so much over him last year. It wasn't an Arthur Smith thing, it appears.

If some of his route running glitches can be corrected, they would be better served to put Pitts in motion more to utilize his athletic ability. I know I repeated myself, but I thought it was appropriate.

 

[zamboni]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

He’s also lined up more like a receiver in those clips. If he was used like a typical Tight end that could chip/block and slide into some open space to where he can actually utilize his speed—I think he’d be so much more consistent.

Maybe he isn't physical enough to be played as a typical TE. He could get manhandled IMO and never even get off the LOS.

Sort of what I was thinking. Doesn't seem to have that "my ball" mentality and a bit sluggish on his routes, although I'm not much of a scout.

They have no choice but to play him out wide, because he would get killed playing on the line. From the looks of those clips they could do a better job at play calling. Those were basic short routes that wouldn't produce anything even if he caught it. But of course if you're having issues running routes in general, that wouldn't help either.

Agreed - he's getting knocked down/falling down on every one of those clips against smaller CBs. Imagine how much he'll get manhandled on the line - no wonder Jonnu Smith played so much over him last year. It wasn't an Arthur Smith thing, it appears.

If some of his route running glitches can be corrected, they would be better served to put Pitts in motion more to utilize his athletic ability. I know I repeated myself, but I thought it was appropriate.

It's year four for him though - if he hasn't fixed his route running glitches by now, have to think he's just not committed to being that guy.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

If I land Kraft on waivers I will happily be benching Pitts.

 

[barackdhouse]

How is his blocking? I am asking because I don't know - how is his blocking and does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same? Just curious if those splits tell us anything. The elite TEs like Kelce Gronk Gonzalez Gates etc they can all run block. So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

Not starting anywhere for a while and of course that means when he does blow up it will be on everybody's benches.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of Atlanta yet but I did see in game 1 a long throw where Cousins had zero ability to plant and throw, presumably because of his achilles recovery, and it looked scary to me. Like "oh no this will not be a good year for Atlanta." But he has been doing better than I thought after that. Quick throws mostly. But I wonder if he isn't the QB we were hoping for either, and what we're seeing is the result of that.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far. They're actually limiting Bijan. IDK.

 

[JohnnyU]

How is his blocking? I am asking because I don't know - how is his blocking and does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same? Just curious if those splits tell us anything. The elite TEs like Kelce Gronk Gonzalez Gates etc they can all run block. So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

Not starting anywhere for a while and of course that means when he does blow up it will be on everybody's benches.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of Atlanta yet but I did see in game 1 a long throw where Cousins had zero ability to plant and throw, presumably because of his achilles recovery, and it looked scary to me. Like "oh no this will not be a good year for Atlanta." But he has been doing better than I thought after that. Quick throws mostly. But I wonder if he isn't the QB we were hoping for either, and what we're seeing is the result of that.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far. They're actually limiting Bijan. IDK.

I believe at some point we can't blame the coaching solely. There is enough blame to go around for Pitts on Pitts as well. But I've said I don't believe they are using him correctly in the little work he is getting.

 

[Synthesizer]

[Sharp] Every Kyle Pitts route with a target. What do you notice?

His execution of the 2nd route is completely pathetic.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

With Cousins, this really SHOULD have been the year if there was going to be one.
We have seen Kirk feed TE's throughout the years.

This is how I talked myself into drafting him again this year

 

[barackdhouse]

How is his blocking? I am asking because I don't know - how is his blocking and does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same? Just curious if those splits tell us anything. The elite TEs like Kelce Gronk Gonzalez Gates etc they can all run block. So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

Not starting anywhere for a while and of course that means when he does blow up it will be on everybody's benches.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of Atlanta yet but I did see in game 1 a long throw where Cousins had zero ability to plant and throw, presumably because of his achilles recovery, and it looked scary to me. Like "oh no this will not be a good year for Atlanta." But he has been doing better than I thought after that. Quick throws mostly. But I wonder if he isn't the QB we were hoping for either, and what we're seeing is the result of that.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far. They're actually limiting Bijan. IDK.

I believe at some point we can't blame the coaching solely. There is enough blame to go around for Pitts on Pitts as well. But I've said I don't believe they are using him correctly in the little work he is getting.

Indeed. What about his attitude? Anyone have insight there?

 

[JohnnyU]

How is his blocking? I am asking because I don't know - how is his blocking and does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same? Just curious if those splits tell us anything. The elite TEs like Kelce Gronk Gonzalez Gates etc they can all run block. So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

Not starting anywhere for a while and of course that means when he does blow up it will be on everybody's benches.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of Atlanta yet but I did see in game 1 a long throw where Cousins had zero ability to plant and throw, presumably because of his achilles recovery, and it looked scary to me. Like "oh no this will not be a good year for Atlanta." But he has been doing better than I thought after that. Quick throws mostly. But I wonder if he isn't the QB we were hoping for either, and what we're seeing is the result of that.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far. They're actually limiting Bijan. IDK.

I believe at some point we can't blame the coaching solely. There is enough blame to go around for Pitts on Pitts as well. But I've said I don't believe they are using him correctly in the little work he is getting.

Indeed. What about his attitude? Anyone have insight there?

No idea about attitude.

 

[barackdhouse]

How is his blocking? I am asking because I don't know - how is his blocking and does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same? Just curious if those splits tell us anything. The elite TEs like Kelce Gronk Gonzalez Gates etc they can all run block. So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

Not starting anywhere for a while and of course that means when he does blow up it will be on everybody's benches.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of Atlanta yet but I did see in game 1 a long throw where Cousins had zero ability to plant and throw, presumably because of his achilles recovery, and it looked scary to me. Like "oh no this will not be a good year for Atlanta." But he has been doing better than I thought after that. Quick throws mostly. But I wonder if he isn't the QB we were hoping for either, and what we're seeing is the result of that.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far. They're actually limiting Bijan. IDK.

I believe at some point we can't blame the coaching solely. There is enough blame to go around for Pitts on Pitts as well. But I've said I don't believe they are using him correctly in the little work he is getting.

Indeed. What about his attitude? Anyone have insight there?

No idea about attitude.

People have been (justifiably) talking about poor route running. I thought I had seen once or twice he didn't show much of a my-ball mentality as well. So I wonder if motivation is something we're missing here. Just speculating. I don't get it.

 

[barackdhouse]

Well I got him from @menobrown a few minutes ago straight up for my 2025 late 1st (I'm currently in 1st overall but obv just a projection). I definitely believe long term. Short term we need Cousins and Pitts to have dinner or a sleepover or something.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well I got him from @menobrown a few minutes ago straight up for my 2025 late 1st (I'm currently in 1st overall but obv just a projection). I definitely believe long term. Short term we need Cousins and Pitts to have dinner or a sleepover or something.

I'm not sure he's still worth a late 1st in dynasty. How many years do we keep believing? At some point the rookie year is a distant memory.

 

[menobrown]

does he play less/more/same snaps on run/pass plays prior to this year or is it still the same?

I don't know that info but his routes and playing time have decreased each week this year and he only ran a route on about 65% of the pass plays last week.

So when they're in the game there is no tip to the defense whether the play is more likely to be run or pass.

There is a site that has this data and the answer to the question above but I don't want to pay for it, maybe I should though. But I think an issue he has is that teams just don't treat him like a TE regardless of where he lines up and that means he's not been able to create mismatches. I would like to see the data but doubt he's getting a lot of LB's matched up on him.

Also, this coaching staff doesn't seem any less stupid that Arthur Smith so far

They don't give him anything easy and for sure don't seem concerned with trying to get him going. Why is the question.

Indeed. What about his attitude? Anyone have insight there?

Never heard a negative thing, for sure Arthur always said he did everything he asked him to.

But back when Twitter/x used to let you see "likes" I was trying to figure him out a little. Just noticed most of his "likes" were about non-football related things, stuff like architecture, some interior design,etc,etc. I think it would be super weak of me to draw any conclusions from that but it did at least get me to wonder if he's an NFL player because he's got incredible natural skills and not because he loves football. He would not be alone in that regard, but that might all tie into a profile of someone who is perfectly ok not being a majorly involved piece.

 

[menobrown]

Well I got him from @menobrown a few minutes ago straight up for my 2025 late 1st (I'm currently in 1st overall but obv just a projection). I definitely believe long term. Short term we need Cousins and Pitts to have dinner or a sleepover or something.

I'm not sure he's still worth a late 1st in dynasty. How many years do we keep believing? At some point the rookie year is a distant memory.

Well it's TEP and I can say for sure I'd have held if I did not have Laporta and Kincaid. Was joking, or not, with barack that it sure is sorry times to try and have a TE-centric team.

I could see this going either way but I picked him at 1.6 I believe of the startup in this league his rookie year and this is not a happy outcome of events.