What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

TE Mark Andrews, BAL (4 Viewers)

Urg man I am truly battling if I should keep Andrews in my starting lineup for tonight. He's been so bad and I have read Ravens fans saying he looks noticably slower this season.

However Lamar back, good matchup... Not sure what to do.
Since Likely returned the snap counts have been:

Andrews- 123
Likely-122

It's a lot like last year, only he might have slowed down a little more but main thing is he either scores a TD or you are in for a dud.

Maybe this is normal for most leagues and TE's, but not 1.5 TEP leagues where I put a lot more value on being more involved.

I am starting him myself in two leagues, both 1.5 TEP, but only because all my other TE's on those teams with exception of Likely are out. Only reason I even have him on those two teams is because I did early drafts and took him on idea he might get traded. This TEBBC is worse for Likely, but blows for both of them.
I sure wish Andrews wasn't playing on TNF so I had more time to see how the Bears injuries play out. If Kmet were out and say 1-2 WRs I would gladly start Loveland over Andrews.
I think everyone on the Bears other then Burden playing is a very safe assumption.
 

I am starting him myself in two leagues, both 1.5 TEP, but only because all my other TE's on those teams with exception of Likely are out. Only reason I even have him on those two teams is because I did early drafts and took him on idea he might get traded. This TEBBC is worse for Likely, but blows for both of them.
This is the identical situation I have tonight in a couple of FFPC startups that I drafted early. Sorry man.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up next year. I still think there's an outside chance BAL resigns him
 
Last edited:
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Nobody is saying he is “Prime” Andrews but he surely isn’t “done” either.

Him being on waivers is probably mainly in smaller leagues or leagues with really short benches. Of the 10 leagues I’m in, he hasn’t hit the wire in any of them.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Nobody is saying he is “Prime” Andrews but he surely isn’t “done” either.

Him being on waivers is probably mainly in smaller leagues or leagues with really short benches. Of the 10 leagues I’m in, he hasn’t hit the wire in any of them.
People discounting him IMO had more to do with Lamar missing the last 3 games. Slow first two games but he blew up in week 3, was okay when KC blew them out and then Lamar has been out since. I started him where I did because it's the Dolphins defense and Lamar was back, but in the league I left him on the bench I had LaPorta and Fannin I've been leaning on the last few weeks.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
Sorry you hate that you're in denial
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
Sorry you hate that you're in denial
That's some deep, psychological stuff, man.

Also, @Buckna, you lucky sob. You started him vs me in Chuck Norris. I didn't realize until this morning. Nice work.

FWIW, speculation about players being done is fun. Maybe done being consistent but this is his 2nd 2TD game this year. Makes me want to try to convert all of my leagues to best ball. Andrews with Lamar could easily be a top 6 TE down the stretch. Or useless in managed leagues. Time will tell.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
Sorry you hate that you're in denial
That's some deep, psychological stuff, man.

Also, @Buckna, you lucky sob. You started him vs me in Chuck Norris. I didn't realize until this morning. Nice work.

FWIW, speculation about players being done is fun. Maybe done being consistent but this is his 2nd 2TD game this year. Makes me want to try to convert all of my leagues to best ball. Andrews with Lamar could easily be a top 6 TE down the stretch. Or useless in managed leagues. Time will tell.
I thought he was going to have a huge night the way it started, but fizzeled. Lucky he got the two short TDs. I benched him for BTJ, but I do have Andrews as my contingency flex if BTJ sits.
 
I just traded him away and got decent value in return. He's no longer explosive and he's a TD dependent TE option. He had three targets and luckily two were in the redzone. Another game of 2 catches for 22 yards and 0 TDs is right around the corner. He's averaging about 3 catches for 28 yards a game.
 
Andrews owners have to be thrilled with the 2 TDs last night. That said, I'm concerned that he's becoming more and more of a TD dependent TE, as with so many other guys. He only had 3 targets last night, compared to Likely's 4 targets. Haven't seen the snap counts yet, but seems like Likely was out there just as much.

Still think Andrews can still be a very valuable contributor, but the consistency may not be there any more.
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
Sorry you hate that you're in denial
That's some deep, psychological stuff, man.

Also, @Buckna, you lucky sob. You started him vs me in Chuck Norris. I didn't realize until this morning. Nice work.

FWIW, speculation about players being done is fun. Maybe done being consistent but this is his 2nd 2TD game this year. Makes me want to try to convert all of my leagues to best ball. Andrews with Lamar could easily be a top 6 TE down the stretch. Or useless in managed leagues. Time will tell.

My runningbacks are all injured or on BYE this week, Andrews big game will at least keep it interesting!

I agree on best ball, I am horrible at QB matchups. If I don’t have a Josh Allen or Mahomes set it and forget it type guy in a league, then for some reason I always seem to pick the wrong QB to start every week lol
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Guys mentioning they get him off the FF WW isn't exactly prime Andrews

I think we're in the middle of the decline denial process
Don't think a single person thinks hes prime Andrews
Yeah. I sort of hate this thing that seems to happen, where people are called "done" when they lose a step, but are still solid. There are not 15 TEs in the NFL better than Mark Andrews. Or Travis Kelce for that matter. But yeah, they aren't about to be the versions of themselves they were 3-4 years ago either.

I don't know what they should be called but "done" or "washed" sure isn't accurate at all.
Sorry you hate that you're in denial
That's some deep, psychological stuff, man.

Also, @Buckna, you lucky sob. You started him vs me in Chuck Norris. I didn't realize until this morning. Nice work.

FWIW, speculation about players being done is fun. Maybe done being consistent but this is his 2nd 2TD game this year. Makes me want to try to convert all of my leagues to best ball. Andrews with Lamar could easily be a top 6 TE down the stretch. Or useless in managed leagues. Time will tell.
Nah. I mentioned our typical cycle of a stud winding down and he replied he hated this thing when people are called done.

He's in denial so are others here.
His second two TD game is true. His 6 for 91 is his blowup game(same) too.

1 catch for 2 yards
1 catch for 5 yards
2 games of 2 for 22
These are not numbers of a gem and we all know this.
Denial

Every so many posts is someone posting about their waiver wire.
That doesn't happen with stud TEs and we know this too

3 for 34
4 for 24
Not much better
Ooh 7 catches but for like 4 yards each.

7 games of 34 or less yards...it's happening.
The warrior has a sunset shining behind him and his sword and shield's shadow is being cast onto the field
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up next year. I still think there's an outside chance BAL resigns him
If the Ravens resign him, Likely will leave at the end of the year when he becomes a FA.
 
Raise your hand if he’s on your bench scoring points ;)
:hey:
Started him only 2 places I have him because he’s on teams with Mason Taylor (2x), Goedert, Njoku, Waller and Likely. So one league he was my only option and the other it was him or Likely.

Thrilled it worked out for me but this is what he is at this point, a low volume, TD dependent player who is preferable in a best ball format instead of plugging him in the lineup and hoping for a TD.

I don’t know if that’s what he’ll be if he’s on a new team next year, just that it’s what he is now and last night did not sway me, I anticipate he’ll be on those teams benches majority of the ROS.
 
Feels like inaccurate language is the sticking point here @Bri

"Done" being elite- I think there's broad agreement on that point. I haven't seen anyone dying on some hill here calling him a sure-fire elite option moving forward. Not with 5 of his games at 3 or 1 target.

"Done" being useful- meh. I have been burned more than most in terms of Andrews (on the record here) but I'll hold the candle for him for a while longer. I started him week 1 and 5 in the one league I have him. So he's averaged 2.85 points and cost me two wins in that league. He's averaging 11.35 ppr points per game when I don't start him lol.

I just know that if I trade him away for a 3rd rounder, he's going to end up scoring 2TDs for my opponent in the playoffs :ROFLMAO:
 
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up next year. I still think there's an outside chance BAL resigns him
If the Ravens resign him, Likely will leave at the end of the year when he becomes a FA.
I'm sure they'll miss his 2 receptions per game... ;)

Just kidding, Likely may indeed be the future and they may very well resign him and let Andrews walk. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion, they do have over $50MM in cap space next year and can free up a boatload if they restructure or extend Lamar ($51MM base salary) or some other high number guys. Would suck for fantasy, but I can even see a scenario where they resign both of them. It's not like TE salaries are all that high comparatively speaking to other premier positions. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Hamilton's eventual extension is close to both Andrews & Likely's new contracts combined and safety isn't even one of the highest paid positions.
 
Last edited:
Loved him
He's done
He's kind of in the way if Likely is the real deal.
I'd trade him or bench him if not

Sorry to a warrior TE but it's time
Have to disagree here. Lot of good football left in him. Probably not with the Ravens though.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up next year. I still think there's an outside chance BAL resigns him
If the Ravens resign him, Likely will leave at the end of the year when he becomes a FA.
I'm sure they'll miss his 2 receptions per game... ;)

Just kidding, Likely may indeed be the future and they may very well resign him and let Andrews walk. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion, they do have over $50MM in cap space next year and can free up a boatload if they restructure or extend Lamar ($51MM base salary) or some other high number guys. Would suck for fantasy, but I can even see a scenario where they resign both of them. It's not like TE salaries are all that high comparatively speaking to other premier positions. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Hamilton's eventually extension is close to both Andrews & Likely's new contracts combined and safety isn't even one of the highest paid positions.
I was going to say the same.

From the outside we can imagine both of them wanting to be the #1 guy, and one of them leaves because of it.
But this is a consistently winning franchise that I imagine hard working players want to be a part of. And TE Rooms seem to be notoriously supportive of the corps and the team, so I can see them both staying as well.
 
If anything, his performance yesterday made him a more desirable trade target for NFL teams.
I doubt they would do it, but Houston would be a good spot. Schultz is mid at best catching the ball and absolutely sucks as a blocker. Stroud could really use a reliable #2 target and some extra help blocking would definitely be welcomed.

Only issue I see now is that since the Ravens won they still have a shot at the division. If the Steelers lose to the Colts this weekend, BAL is only one game behind.
 
3 targets
52% snaps <Lively 57%, Kolar 44%>

Means Sell!
This shows that Kolar is capable of backing up Likely were Andrews be traded. I would love to see Lively with the receptions and yards he currently has with Andrews' TDs.
FWIW, Kolar is also a FA at the end of the year.
They will keep him on the cheap. I doubt anyone is interested in Kolar, but I could be wrong.
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.

I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't think Lamar has much say in personel decisions. He might be able to get them to keep Andrews, but no way he is getting a young tight end traded.
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.

I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't think Lamar has much say in personel decisions. He might be able to get them to keep Andrews, but no way he is getting a young tight end traded.
Agreed.

I’ve long said there is small chance they retain both of them but it’s a small one. And all you got to do is go back to Decosta’s comments in the off-season to know the one they don’t want to let go.
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.

I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't think Lamar has much say in personel decisions. He might be able to get them to keep Andrews, but no way he is getting a young tight end traded.
Agreed.

I’ve long said there is small chance they retain both of them but it’s a small one. And all you got to do is go back to Decosta’s comments in the off-season to know the one they don’t want to let go.
I think Baltimore likes having both
:shrug:
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.

I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't think Lamar has much say in personel decisions. He might be able to get them to keep Andrews, but no way he is getting a young tight end traded.
Agreed.

I’ve long said there is small chance they retain both of them but it’s a small one. And all you got to do is go back to Decosta’s comments in the off-season to know the one they don’t want to let go.
I think Baltimore likes having both
:shrug:
Well of course they do but decisions always have to be made that involve letting players go you like.

Again, I can't hear what their GM said this off-season and come away thinking Andrews is a central part of their plans past this season.

There is certainly a scenario that exists where Likely could price himself out and make Andrews extension more palatable but very slim to me. Just got to listen to what their GM and even Harbaugh are saying to know the way the wind is blowing here.
 
I had the thought last night that since Andrews isn't cooked or anything and I assume that Lamar still loves him and has some pull that the Ravens might be likely to resign him and shop Likely. I do think @3nOut makes a pretty good point that a nice night raises Andrews trade value but at the same time...don't you want to trade for the 25 year old instead of the 30 year old? Would the Ravens trade Likely if they get a good offer? or are they only shopping Andrews? I think the Ravens will trade/not resign 2 TE's and resign one.

I think you are reading way too much into it. I don't think Lamar has much say in personel decisions. He might be able to get them to keep Andrews, but no way he is getting a young tight end traded.
Agreed.

I’ve long said there is small chance they retain both of them but it’s a small one. And all you got to do is go back to Decosta’s comments in the off-season to know the one they don’t want to let go.
I think Baltimore likes having both
:shrug:
Well of course they do but decisions always have to be made that involve letting players go you like.

Again, I can't hear what their GM said this off-season and come away thinking Andrews is a central part of their plans past this season.

There is certainly a scenario that exists where Likely could price himself out and make Andrews extension more palatable but very slim to me. Just got to listen to what their GM and even Harbaugh are saying to know the way the wind is blowing here.
I don't think either would break the bank. I'm not familar with their cap space however.
 
How big is the trade market for Andrews?

I agree he is not 'washed' but also that he is not peak Andrews either. He is arguably an upgrade at TE for many teams, and an acquiring team would only take a $3.5M cap hit for the rest of the season. These are the positives.

What would the Ravens require in trade, a 2026 3rd? If they don't get that much, isn't he more valuable to them in their push to recover their season and make the playoffs? But is an acquiring team willing to give a 3rd for a rental for the remainder of 2025? He is more valuable this season to a playoff team with a need at TE than to a non-playoff team. But how many playoff teams would get a meaningful upgrade by trading for Andrews, especially considering it would take some time for him to adjust to the new offense and gain chemistry with his new QB?

The acquiring team could intend to sign him to a contract extension, which could change the value proposition. But Andrews probably would not sign for an amount he believes is below his market value, preferring to hit the UFA market in March. So how likely is an acquiring team to extend him?

Add it all up, and I doubt there are many teams with serious interest.

In the offseason, I wanted the Chargers to trade for him. Not now, with Gadsden having unexpectedly emerged.
 
How big is the trade market for Andrews?

I agree he is not 'washed' but also that he is not peak Andrews either. He is arguably an upgrade at TE for many teams, and an acquiring team would only take a $3.5M cap hit for the rest of the season. These are the positives.

What would the Ravens require in trade, a 2026 3rd? If they don't get that much, isn't he more valuable to them in their push to recover their season and make the playoffs? But is an acquiring team willing to give a 3rd for a rental for the remainder of 2025? He is more valuable this season to a playoff team with a need at TE than to a non-playoff team. But how many playoff teams would get a meaningful upgrade by trading for Andrews, especially considering it would take some time for him to adjust to the new offense and gain chemistry with his new QB?

The acquiring team could intend to sign him to a contract extension, which could change the value proposition. But Andrews probably would not sign for an amount he believes is below his market value, preferring to hit the UFA market in March. So how likely is an acquiring team to extend him?

Add it all up, and I doubt there are many teams with serious interest.

In the offseason, I wanted the Chargers to trade for him. Not now, with Gadsden having unexpectedly emerged.
I would assume at best he would return a pick swap. maybe a 4th for a 5th
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top