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TE T.J. Hockenson, MIN (1 Viewer)

Sounds worse that it is. TEs makes about 60% of what WRs make. From Sportrac below:

2023 Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag & Transition Tag Figures​


PositionFranchise TagTransition Tag
Quarterback$32,416,000$29,504,000
Running Back$10,091,000$8,429,000
Wide Receiver$19,743,000$17,991,000
Tight End$11,345,000$9,716,000
Offensive Lineman$18,244,000$16,660,000
Defensive Tackle$18,937,000$16,068,000
Defensive End$19,727,000$17,452,000
Linebacker$20,926,000$17,478,000
Cornerback$18,140,000$15,791,000
Safety$14,460,000$11,867,000
Kicker/Punter$5,393,000$4,869,000
I suspect that the Vikings can't help but to think that franchise tag is an attractive option next year.
 
Sounds worse that it is. TEs makes about 60% of what WRs make. From Sportrac below:

2023 Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag & Transition Tag Figures​


PositionFranchise TagTransition Tag
Quarterback$32,416,000$29,504,000
Running Back$10,091,000$8,429,000
Wide Receiver$19,743,000$17,991,000
Tight End$11,345,000$9,716,000
Offensive Lineman$18,244,000$16,660,000
Defensive Tackle$18,937,000$16,068,000
Defensive End$19,727,000$17,452,000
Linebacker$20,926,000$17,478,000
Cornerback$18,140,000$15,791,000
Safety$14,460,000$11,867,000
Kicker/Punter$5,393,000$4,869,000
I suspect that the Vikings can't help but to think that franchise tag is an attractive option next year.


Interesting information.
On Hockenson - I believe him to be a top 5-8 NFL TE talent.
However............. him trying to "reset the market with a historic contract" is a bunch of *********. I get him wanting to , but worthy of historic money and wanting to get it are completely different.

I'm not sure of the clauses and all the ins and outs of the contracts, but in my opinion, maybe Hock can make an agreement for a bit more money this season, and renegotiate NEXT YEAR after this season. I can easily see a path to him having a big season.....possibly. The Vikes just lost Thielen (a favorite target around the end zone the last few years for Cousins) and Dalvin Cook flew off into the Jets sunset. It is entirely possible Hock puts up a top 1-2 fantasy season.......or at least I can see him having a more featured role. Why not try and get a few more bucks this season, and gamble on a possible massive contract after this upcoming season ends? Seems like its a smart short term move in this season, and also giving him possibly the massive payday he apparently wants, down the road.
I don't know all of the legalities, but I'm guessing many of those prominent agents have a few tricks up their sleeves.

Not sure where Hock will go in most of my leagues. (mostly standard, start one TE, but nothing premium) But the more I think about it, if he is going into rd 5 in my leagues, its something to consider. And historically I NEVER get a top end TE.
 
Hockenson already had a historic number of targets last season because Adam Thielen was not his former self and the Vikings defense was atrocious, so they had historicaly high number of pass attempts. 672 of them. So what he did last season is basically his upside. I would suggest caution if you think or are hearing someone tell you that Hockenson is going to get more opportunity because of Thielen being gone or the Vikings offense passing the ball more than it did last season.

Hockenson was used much like a WR with the Vikings last season, so that is why he is looking to change the TE market. He wants to be paid more in line with what WRs make since thats basically how he is being used and he wants to cash in on the numbers he was able to put up last season. More power to him. Historically this hasn't really gone players way when they have been in similar situations.

I just hope Hockenson lets his agents handle business and it doesn't affect his attitude as a player if he doesn't get what he wants contract wise.
 


Interesting information.
On Hockenson - I believe him to be a top 5-8 NFL TE talent.
However............. him trying to "reset the market with a historic contract" is a bunch of *********. I get him wanting to , but worthy of historic money and wanting to get it are completely different.
Correct.
 
Hockenson already had a historic number of targets last season because Adam Thielen was not his former self and the Vikings defense was atrocious, so they had historicaly high number of pass attempts. 672 of them. So what he did last season is basically his upside. I would suggest caution if you think or are hearing someone tell you that Hockenson is going to get more opportunity because of Thielen being gone or the Vikings offense passing the ball more than it did last season.

Hockenson was used much like a WR with the Vikings last season, so that is why he is looking to change the TE market. He wants to be paid more in line with what WRs make since thats basically how he is being used and he wants to cash in on the numbers he was able to put up last season. More power to him. Historically this hasn't really gone players way when they have been in similar situations.

I just hope Hockenson lets his agents handle business and it doesn't affect his attitude as a player if he doesn't get what he wants contract wise.
Even if he doesn't do better than last year, he ended up ranked as the #2 TE. There are lots of reasons he could put up similar numbers.

Hockenson got more receptions per game compared to his time in DET (6 vs. 4), but he did less with them (8.7 ypr vs. 15.2 ypr in 2022). Expanding his numbers from his games with the Vikings, he would have produced 102-882-5 over a full season.

The Vikings did have a higher number of attempts than normal, but players that had 200 targets are no longer on the team (Thielen, Cook, Smith), and the only replacement is rookie receiver Jordan Addison. On top of that, they didn't bring in another RB, so a case could be made that MIN may not be looking to expand on their 404 rushing attempts from last year (Cook and Mattison combined for 334 attempts). Blend everything together, and Hockenson (if healthy) could easily be the second most targeted option after JJ and end up with 80+ receptions again.
 
I think based on ADP and positional rankings, Hock will be the biggest bust/disappointment of this season. TE3 in the middle of the 4th round is way too rich for me for a guy I think could be scoring in line with Friermuth and Engram going 3+ rounds later. Last year was the aberration IMO, and while his touches obv. went up, most of his efficiency stats actually went down. I believe Addison will be the beneficiary of a lot of those touches this year rather than Hock.
 
I think based on ADP and positional rankings, Hock will be the biggest bust/disappointment of this season. TE3 in the middle of the 4th round is way too rich for me for a guy I think could be scoring in line with Friermuth and Engram going 3+ rounds later. Last year was the aberration IMO, and while his touches obv. went up, most of his efficiency stats actually went down. I believe Addison will be the beneficiary of a lot of those touches this year rather than Hock.
Every season is different, and MIN may have fewer passing attempts. But roughly 150-1200-10 in receiving production left with guys no longer on the roster. Addison should see a decent chunk of that. But it would be incredibly difficult for Jefferson to take on more than he did last year. The point being, even with Addison having a huge season (far from a given), there is still plenty of targets available for Hockenson. He would need 60 more targets than last year of those 200 that left to average the same number of targets per game. And of course, he could do more with them. I probably wouldn’t draft him early either (I’m not a huge TE early type of drafter), but I don’t think he will drop off much (if at all).
 
I think based on ADP and positional rankings, Hock will be the biggest bust/disappointment of this season. TE3 in the middle of the 4th round is way too rich for me for a guy I think could be scoring in line with Friermuth and Engram going 3+ rounds later. Last year was the aberration IMO, and while his touches obv. went up, most of his efficiency stats actually went down. I believe Addison will be the beneficiary of a lot of those touches this year rather than Hock.
Every season is different, and MIN may have fewer passing attempts. But roughly 150-1200-10 in receiving production left with guys no longer on the roster. Addison should see a decent chunk of that. But it would be incredibly difficult for Jefferson to take on more than he did last year. The point being, even with Addison having a huge season (far from a given), there is still plenty of targets available for Hockenson. He would need 60 more targets than last year of those 200 that left to average the same number of targets per game. And of course, he could do more with them. I probably wouldn’t draft him early either (I’m not a huge TE early type of drafter), but I don’t think he will drop off much (if at all).
I guess I just see him as so inefficient that any loss of targets will result in a larger impact to his seasonal totals than other TEs. Catching 66% of his targets just feels so... mediocre. I don't think he's a bust overall, and almost a lock to be a top 12 TE. I just think he's going to finish in the 6-12 section of that surrounded by guys going rounds later than him. I see like 70 for 700 and maybe 4-5 TDs. I'd want a lot more than that from a 4th rounder. I guess maybe this just makes me higher on Addison and Mattison then I even thought looking at how big the pie should be and where it will go like you pointed out. Feel inevitable he'll still get a lot of looks. I'd just have him after Kelce, Andrews, Waller, Kittle, and Goedert. Think he should be in the Higbee/Pitts/Friermuth range. Watch me be terribly wrong on this take when the rookie and the former backup RB thrust into a starters role perform like most of them usually do though lol.
 
Hockenson already had a historic number of targets last season because Adam Thielen was not his former self and the Vikings defense was atrocious, so they had historicaly high number of pass attempts. 672 of them. So what he did last season is basically his upside. I would suggest caution if you think or are hearing someone tell you that Hockenson is going to get more opportunity because of Thielen being gone or the Vikings offense passing the ball more than it did last season.

Hockenson was used much like a WR with the Vikings last season, so that is why he is looking to change the TE market. He wants to be paid more in line with what WRs make since thats basically how he is being used and he wants to cash in on the numbers he was able to put up last season. More power to him. Historically this hasn't really gone players way when they have been in similar situations.

I just hope Hockenson lets his agents handle business and it doesn't affect his attitude as a player if he doesn't get what he wants contract wise.
Even if he doesn't do better than last year, he ended up ranked as the #2 TE. There are lots of reasons he could put up similar numbers.

Hockenson got more receptions per game compared to his time in DET (6 vs. 4), but he did less with them (8.7 ypr vs. 15.2 ypr in 2022). Expanding his numbers from his games with the Vikings, he would have produced 102-882-5 over a full season.

The Vikings did have a higher number of attempts than normal, but players that had 200 targets are no longer on the team (Thielen, Cook, Smith), and the only replacement is rookie receiver Jordan Addison. On top of that, they didn't bring in another RB, so a case could be made that MIN may not be looking to expand on their 404 rushing attempts from last year (Cook and Mattison combined for 334 attempts). Blend everything together, and Hockenson (if healthy) could easily be the second most targeted option after JJ and end up with 80+ receptions again.
Sure he could.

I agree the Vikings are more of a passing team now with the new head coach and front office emphasizing that by design and philosophy.

I think Addison is going to be a good player and reason why the departure of Thielen wont be very impactful. There is some cross over in the types of routes and areas of the field where they will be used. Hockenson essentially took a lot of the targets that Thielen used to get last season, and Addison will compete for those.

While I dont expect much improvement from the Vikings defense, if they improve at all. If they do though this could mean fewer number of total plays by the offense, even if they dont run the ball more.
 
I think based on ADP and positional rankings, Hock will be the biggest bust/disappointment of this season. TE3 in the middle of the 4th round is way too rich for me for a guy I think could be scoring in line with Friermuth and Engram going 3+ rounds later. Last year was the aberration IMO, and while his touches obv. went up, most of his efficiency stats actually went down. I believe Addison will be the beneficiary of a lot of those touches this year rather than Hock.
Every season is different, and MIN may have fewer passing attempts. But roughly 150-1200-10 in receiving production left with guys no longer on the roster. Addison should see a decent chunk of that. But it would be incredibly difficult for Jefferson to take on more than he did last year. The point being, even with Addison having a huge season (far from a given), there is still plenty of targets available for Hockenson. He would need 60 more targets than last year of those 200 that left to average the same number of targets per game. And of course, he could do more with them. I probably wouldn’t draft him early either (I’m not a huge TE early type of drafter), but I don’t think he will drop off much (if at all).
I guess I just see him as so inefficient that any loss of targets will result in a larger impact to his seasonal totals than other TEs. Catching 66% of his targets just feels so... mediocre. I don't think he's a bust overall, and almost a lock to be a top 12 TE. I just think he's going to finish in the 6-12 section of that surrounded by guys going rounds later than him. I see like 70 for 700 and maybe 4-5 TDs. I'd want a lot more than that from a 4th rounder. I guess maybe this just makes me higher on Addison and Mattison then I even thought looking at how big the pie should be and where it will go like you pointed out. Feel inevitable he'll still get a lot of looks. I'd just have him after Kelce, Andrews, Waller, Kittle, and Goedert. Think he should be in the Higbee/Pitts/Friermuth range. Watch me be terribly wrong on this take when the rookie and the former backup RB thrust into a starters role perform like most of them usually do though lol.
I probably am not the best guy to comment on the Vikings. I don't follow them, and I don't get to watch them very often. But the two games I saw him in last year:

NE: 5 receptions on 6 targets for 43 yards and a TD
NYG playoff game: 10 receptions on 11 targets for 129 yards

In both games, he didn't seem to do anything spectacular. Basically, he got open underneath, occasionally shook the first tackler, and was hard to bring down. Jefferson drew the coverage, and Hockenson was able to benefit. He did more against the Giants, but combined in these two games, he had 15 receptions on 17 targets. A case could be made that Addison would only help Hockenson do more with his targets, as Addison should serve to draw even more coverage away from him. Put another way, Addison is more likely to take defenders with him than Thielen would.

He did his job last year as king of the dump off routes. With Cook gone, he again should see those easy pitch and catch opportunities. I don't know enough about Mattison to have any idea if he can take all the targets Cook got or not. MIN could see vastly different game scripts this season, as I don't see them being on the right side of so many one score games again. Those tend to even out.
 
I think based on ADP and positional rankings, Hock will be the biggest bust/disappointment of this season. TE3 in the middle of the 4th round is way too rich for me for a guy I think could be scoring in line with Friermuth and Engram going 3+ rounds later. Last year was the aberration IMO, and while his touches obv. went up, most of his efficiency stats actually went down. I believe Addison will be the beneficiary of a lot of those touches this year rather than Hock.
Every season is different, and MIN may have fewer passing attempts. But roughly 150-1200-10 in receiving production left with guys no longer on the roster. Addison should see a decent chunk of that. But it would be incredibly difficult for Jefferson to take on more than he did last year. The point being, even with Addison having a huge season (far from a given), there is still plenty of targets available for Hockenson. He would need 60 more targets than last year of those 200 that left to average the same number of targets per game. And of course, he could do more with them. I probably wouldn’t draft him early either (I’m not a huge TE early type of drafter), but I don’t think he will drop off much (if at all).
I guess I just see him as so inefficient that any loss of targets will result in a larger impact to his seasonal totals than other TEs. Catching 66% of his targets just feels so... mediocre. I don't think he's a bust overall, and almost a lock to be a top 12 TE. I just think he's going to finish in the 6-12 section of that surrounded by guys going rounds later than him. I see like 70 for 700 and maybe 4-5 TDs. I'd want a lot more than that from a 4th rounder. I guess maybe this just makes me higher on Addison and Mattison then I even thought looking at how big the pie should be and where it will go like you pointed out. Feel inevitable he'll still get a lot of looks. I'd just have him after Kelce, Andrews, Waller, Kittle, and Goedert. Think he should be in the Higbee/Pitts/Friermuth range. Watch me be terribly wrong on this take when the rookie and the former backup RB thrust into a starters role perform like most of them usually do though lol.
I probably am not the best guy to comment on the Vikings. I don't follow them, and I don't get to watch them very often. But the two games I saw him in last year:

NE: 5 receptions on 6 targets for 43 yards and a TD
NYG playoff game: 10 receptions on 11 targets for 129 yards

In both games, he didn't seem to do anything spectacular. Basically, he got open underneath, occasionally shook the first tackler, and was hard to bring down. Jefferson drew the coverage, and Hockenson was able to benefit. He did more against the Giants, but combined in these two games, he had 15 receptions on 17 targets. A case could be made that Addison would only help Hockenson do more with his targets, as Addison should serve to draw even more coverage away from him. Put another way, Addison is more likely to take defenders with him than Thielen would.

He did his job last year as king of the dump off routes. With Cook gone, he again should see those easy pitch and catch opportunities. I don't know enough about Mattison to have any idea if he can take all the targets Cook got or not. MIN could see vastly different game scripts this season, as I don't see them being on the right side of so many one score games again. Those tend to even out.
Yeah it's still a question mark for me too, though I will say it was promising that Mattison was on the field and running routes on nearly every one of the pass plays in the preseason. It didn't show on the stat sheet since he wasn't getting targeted, but when I actually watched his playtime it was good to see they will hopefully use him in that capacity. I don't expect him to be a world beater, but think he could be a good value based on volume and his ADP.
 
@AdamSchefter

Compensation update: TJ Hockenson is signing a four-year, $68.5 million contract extension that resets the tight end market, source tells ESPN.

The $17.125 million annual average and $42 .5 million guarantee are the highest for a tight end in NFL history.
 
Good for Hockenson, he got what he wanted. Probably an overpay by the Vikings for a non-elite player, but they were sorta on the hook for this the second they traded for him.

I've got Hockenson TE3, but he's closer to TE7 than he is to TE2 in my eyes, so I haven't gotten many shares.
 
Good for Hockenson, he got what he wanted. Probably an overpay by the Vikings for a non-elite player, but they were sorta on the hook for this the second they traded for him.

I've got Hockenson TE3, but he's closer to TE7 than he is to TE2 in my eyes, so I haven't gotten many shares.
Yep as a Lions fan I’m happy it’s the Vikings paying this and not us
 
Good for Hockenson, he got what he wanted. Probably an overpay by the Vikings for a non-elite player, but they were sorta on the hook for this the second they traded for him.

I've got Hockenson TE3, but he's closer to TE7 than he is to TE2 in my eyes, so I haven't gotten many shares.
I have him TE4 behind waller at 3 but I have andrews/waller/Hock as my tier 2 guys. So I have a decent amount of shares of waller and Hock and not much andrews
 
However............. him trying to "reset the market with a historic contract" is a bunch of *********. I get him wanting to , but worthy of historic money and wanting to get it are completely different.
Well so much for that thought…..
 
T.J. Hockenson caught 8-of-9 targets for 35 yards in the Vikings’ Week 1 loss to Buccaneers

Hockenson saw a lot of short-yardage usage in the Vikings offense for Week 1. He did not see many notable looks with a rather boring-looking statline, getting several Kirk Cousins passes right at the line of scrimmage. Hockenson’s nine targets were second on the team, but his 35 receiving yards gave him 4.4 yards per reception. Against the Eagles on Thursday night on Week 2, Hockenson’s volume keeps him as a TE1.

- Rotoworld
 
Hock is currently the only TE on my roster. I am increasingly concerned about his foot injury. Best TE on WW is Kmet. FML
 
Hock is currently the only TE on my roster. I am increasingly concerned about his foot injury. Best TE on WW is Kmet. FML

I'd look to the rookies if any are out there
  • Kincaid balled out tonight (Knox to IR)
  • Mayer has been coming on the last few games
  • Musgrave, if his ankle checks out, has a defined role in GB
2nd year dude Trey McBride (Ertz went on IR) is another young TE who could see an uptick
 
Fantasy Doctors is speculating a lisfranc injury that, if mild, he might be able to play through. He did finish the game last week. That was sounding promising until they made a comparison to Najee Harris from last year.
 
Fantasy Doctors is speculating a lisfranc injury that, if mild, he might be able to play through. He did finish the game last week. That was sounding promising until they made a comparison to Najee Harris from last year.
Dude is a hack spewing nonsense drama for clicks. If it is a mid foot sprain it is very minor, and there are many other things it could be.
 
ESPN’s Ed Werder reports T.J. Hockenson (ribs) is expected to play in Week 10 against the Saints.

Per Werder, Hockeson “won’t play as many snaps as normal but will be on field in key situations.” It’s not an ideal situation, but most fantasy managers can’t afford to bench Hockenson. The veteran tight end still projects for top-five fantasy numbers at tight end despite seemingly being on a pitch count. With K.J. Osborn and Justin Jefferson out, the majority of Hockeson’s snaps should come on obvious passing situations, putting him in line to see plenty of targets, even if he is limited for Week 10.
 
ESPN’s Ed Werder reports T.J. Hockenson (ribs) is expected to play in Week 10 against the Saints.

Per Werder, Hockeson “won’t play as many snaps as normal but will be on field in key situations.” It’s not an ideal situation, but most fantasy managers can’t afford to bench Hockenson. The veteran tight end still projects for top-five fantasy numbers at tight end despite seemingly being on a pitch count. With K.J. Osborn and Justin Jefferson out, the majority of Hockeson’s snaps should come on obvious passing situations, putting him in line to see plenty of targets, even if he is limited for Week 10.
I have not seen anything indicating that KJ Osborn is out yet.

Maybe he will be but as far as I know he cleared concussion protocol and has had 2 full practices.
 
What are thoughts on Hockenson today? For fantasy purposes, do you play a McBride, Schultz or Kincaid if you have on your bench?
 
What are thoughts on Hockenson today? For fantasy purposes, do you play a McBride, Schultz or Kincaid if you have on your bench?

I’d play Kincaid or Schultz over him. Too soon to tell on McBride and Kyler I think. At least over hock. Dobbs targets TEs a lot
 
What are thoughts on Hockenson today? For fantasy purposes, do you play a McBride, Schultz or Kincaid if you have on your bench?
Hockenson will play but be on a limited snap count so he may not get the number of targets he usually gets.

That said the Vikings need him and he may put up similar stats as usual despite being injured. Hard to say. I would expect him to get a bit less than usual but that he still gets 6 or so targets.

How that compares to your other options I am not sure. Kincaid got a ton of targets recently with the Bills and maybe that continues. McBride had a huge game recently but that was with Dobbs as the QB so not sure how busy he will be this week. I am not really tracking on Schultz. I know nothing! In regards to him.
 
What are thoughts on Hockenson today? For fantasy purposes, do you play a McBride, Schultz or Kincaid if you have on your bench?
Good question. For context I have TJ and McBride, I’m sticking with TJ. But I’m a roll with your studs guy. He’s a tough dude and played through it last week, I’m betting the adrenaline kicks in and he lobbies to play more snaps then projected. They badly need him.
 
I agree that the Vikings need Hockenson to be successful in this game.

Jefferson and Osborn out and the Saints have very good cornerbacks.

The Vikings suck at running the ball.
 
What are thoughts on Hockenson today? For fantasy purposes, do you play a McBride, Schultz or Kincaid if you have on your bench?
Good question. For context I have TJ and McBride, I’m sticking with TJ. But I’m a roll with your studs guy. He’s a tough dude and played through it last week, I’m betting the adrenaline kicks in and he lobbies to play more snaps then projected. They badly need him.
Well, hope you started him. 10 for 128 and a TD, at half.
 
Yeah, stuff like this can be discouraging. On one team I also started Courtland Sutton. To come this far, make it to the semifinal round & this is how you lose. Chunk cheese.
 
Any word on the extent of his injury yet??
I received a notification on my phone that said the Vikings think it is "not good", but they are still awaiting MRI results . No link, sorry, but prepare yourself for the worst. I can't imagine he'll play next week .
 
This really sucks. The position is already top-heavy, and it happened so late in the season that who knows how much he'll play next year.
 
This really sucks. The position is already top-heavy, and it happened so late in the season that who knows how much he'll play next year.
Thats the worst part - one thing to lose him for the finals/end run but this late in the season he is likely going to miss a few games next year as well
 
So who’s everyone’s Hock replacement for this week in the championship? I currently have claims in on Chig and Henry.
 
Feel bad for him, especially this late in the season.

Fantasy wise, it probably gives Addison a bump next year with one less competitor for targets, at least early on.
 

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