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[otello]

Qd2 played as white.

 

[kutta]

Did you officially move Nc6?

I agree it would be nice to get some other feedback.

Black:

What about exd4? Clear some of this clutter from the center?

I'm not opposed to that. We could look at eventually playing bb7 if is e-pawn is gone (he can't play e5 which would muck that up). I don't think that's anything standard and might help get us out of these book lines.

O as black. If we are leaving the book, I would not play exd4. We can do that at any time; plus, if take the pawn on d4 after Nc6, we will be able to take the Knight on d4 if they retake. Bb7 is also available after Nc6. I prefer Nc6 here.

I'm just fine with Nc6. But we may not be able to play exd if they play d5 here (which I assume they will).

 

[dancingbones]

Did you officially move Nc6?

I agree it would be nice to get some other feedback.

Black:What about exd4? Clear some of this clutter from the center?

I'm not opposed to that. We could look at eventually playing bb7 if is e-pawn is gone (he can't play e5 which would muck that up). I don't think that's anything standard and might help get us out of these book lines.

O as black. If we are leaving the book, I would not play exd4. We can do that at any time; plus, if take the pawn on d4 after Nc6, we will be able to take the Knight on d4 if they retake. Bb7 is also available after Nc6. I prefer Nc6 here.

I'm just fine with Nc6. But we may not be able to play exd if they play d5 here (which I assume they will).

Yep, I think it is now or never on d4.Clearing e5 also gives our knight a place to go other than g6.

 

[otello]

I hear you both. If you believe strongly about this move, I will defer. One issue I have is that it is the 9th most played move in this position, and gives white a solid advantage. I know that we want to depart from the book at some point; my preference would be to do so in the context of an established line.

 

[kutta]

O as black:

So let's follow it through just a bit:

... , nc6; e5 ne7, h3 nh6. I'm not sure I really like this spot for us.

... exd4; nxd4, ne5; f4?, nf7. I'm not sure I like this much better. Our knight will now have trouble getting to c6, but he could get to d7.

So I guess I'm a little torn here still.

 

[Brownsfan]

Black

I vote d4

 

[otello]

Black

I vote d4

O as black:

So let's follow it through just a bit:

... , nc6; e5 ne7, h3 nh6. I'm not sure I really like this spot for us.

... exd4; nxd4, ne5; f4?, nf7. I'm not sure I like this much better. Our knight will now have trouble getting to c6, but he could get to d7.

So I guess I'm a little torn here still.

they would probably castle instead of f4.

 

[otello]

What about 9. Nd7?

 

[kutta]

What about 9. Nd7?

I think it comes down to where we want that knight. If we want him on d7, we should just play it. If we want him on e7, we should play nc6 because I really think they will play d5 forcing our knight to e7.

I am honestly OK with any of the moves we have discussed. I say you make a decision and go with it. If we were voting, I would probably vote for Nc6.

What about this - ... Nc6; e5, ne7; h3, nh6; 0-0, g5; bg3, g4?

I'm just thinking that we could force some hell on there, and plan to play our queen to e8 and maybe up to the g or h file eventually. Could be interesting. I haven't looked at it in detail, but at least it gets something going.

 

[otello]

What about 9. Nd7?

I think it comes down to where we want that knight. If we want him on d7, we should just play it. If we want him on e7, we should play nc6 because I really think they will play d5 forcing our knight to e7.

I am honestly OK with any of the moves we have discussed. I say you make a decision and go with it. If we were voting, I would probably vote for Nc6.

What about this - ... Nc6; e5, ne7; h3, nh6; 0-0, g5; bg3, g4?

I'm just thinking that we could force some hell on there, and plan to play our queen to e8 and maybe up to the g or h file eventually. Could be interesting. I haven't looked at it in detail, but at least it gets something going.

I like Nc6 as well.

 

[dancingbones]

I still like exd4 to open up that long diagonal for our bishop on g7, but I'll go with the n to either c6 or d7.

I prefer the knight ending up on e7 I think, so we have more options with our bishop - so that would make nc6 the preferable of the 2 moves, IMO.

 

[otello]

Consensus around Nc6. I will move.

 

[otello]

Nc6 played as black.

 

[kutta]

Cool. Both games are going to get fun

 

[otello]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

 

[kutta]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

I think rb1 is obvious here.

 

[otello]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

I think rb1 is obvious here.

Agreed.

 

[Brownsfan]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

I think rb1 is obvious here.

White

For an instant I thought I was in the shark pool. RB one.

I agree though.

 

[otello]

I will move Rb1

 

[otello]

White Rb1 moved.

 

[otello]

Black

They played d5

 

[kutta]

White:

After qa3 for black, I like e5 for us. F5 is also a possibility but I think we give up too much and the attack isn't as clear to me. There is a cool trap where we play e5, fnd7, ne4. If they take the pawn on e5 we play nb5.

I don't think they will do that, but we get a pretty good attack going with this.

 

[otello]

Black

They played d5

Our move should be Ne7.

 

[otello]

White:

After qa3 for black, I like e5 for us. F5 is also a possibility but I think we give up too much and the attack isn't as clear to me. There is a cool trap where we play e5, fnd7, ne4. If they take the pawn on e5 we play nb5.

I don't think they will do that, but we get a pretty good attack going with this.

O as white: They played Qa3

I am fine with e5 here. Any other thoughts?

 

[kutta]

Black

They played d5

Our move should be Ne7.

Agreed

 

[otello]

Black

They played d5

Our move should be Ne7.

Agreed

Any other thoughts?

 

[otello]

Black

They played d5

Our move should be Ne7.

Agreed

Any other thoughts?

kutta, on 12 Mar 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

White:

After qa3 for black, I like e5 for us. F5 is also a possibility but I think we give up too much and the attack isn't as clear to me. There is a cool trap where we play e5, fnd7, ne4. If they take the pawn on e5 we play nb5.

I don't think they will do that, but we get a pretty good attack going with this.

O as white: They played Qa3

I am fine with e5 here. Any other thoughts?

 

[dancingbones]

Black

They played d5

Our move should be Ne7.

Agreed

Any other thoughts?

kutta, on 12 Mar 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

White:

After qa3 for black, I like e5 for us. F5 is also a possibility but I think we give up too much and the attack isn't as clear to me. There is a cool trap where we play e5, fnd7, ne4. If they take the pawn on e5 we play nb5.

I don't think they will do that, but we get a pretty good attack going with this.

O as white: They played Qa3

I am fine with e5 here. Any other thoughts?

Black yes ne7

White e5 looks good to me - let's get this party started!

 

[otello]

I will make moves in a few.

 

[otello]

Ne7 played as black

e5 played as white

 

[Psychopav]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

Why is it referred to as the "poisoned' pawn?

 

[kutta]

They took the poisoned pawn. Qxb2.

Why is it referred to as the "poisoned' pawn?

Because it is "free" in that white doesn't get compensation with another pawn. White instead gets a good attack and position, so black has to be very careful taking it.Other openings have "poisoned pawns" too. If I remember correctly the French defense has a line with one.

 

[otello]

The Poisoned Pawn Variation is any of several series of opening moves in chess in which a pawn is said to be "poisoned" because its capture can result in a positional disadvantage or loss of material. The best known of these, called the Poisoned Pawn Variation, is a line of the Sicilian Defense, Najdorf Variation.

A Poisoned Pawn Variation also exists in the French Defence Winawer: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Qg4 Qc7 8.Qxg7 Rg8 9.Qxh7 cxd4 10.Ne2 Nbc6 (or 10.Kd1 Nd7). Like the Poisoned Pawn Variation in the Sicilian Najdorf, this line gives significant weaknesses for both sides and can lead to highly complex lines. White can attack on the kingside and try to exploit the passed h-pawn, while Black destroys the centre.

There is also a Poisoned Pawn Variation in the Latvian Gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5?! This variation leads to extremely sharp play, is considered rather dubious, and is thus rarely seen today. However, Graham Burgess states that it "is not utterly, clearly bad."

 

[otello]

O as black

They played h3.

our response is Nh6. There is no other choice.

 

[kutta]

O as black

They played h3.

our response is Nh6. There is no other choice.

Agreed. I vote to go ahead and move.

 

[otello]

O as black

They played h3.

our response is Nh6. There is no other choice.

Agreed. I vote to go ahead and move.

will do in a few.

 

[otello]

Nh6 played

 

[kutta]

They sure are taking their time in the poisoned pawn game

 

[otello]

They sure are taking their time in the poisoned pawn game

They have two main choices, dxe5 or h6. Nfd7 is also an option.

 

[kutta]

They sure are taking their time in the poisoned pawn game

They have two main choices, dxe5 or h6. Nfd7 is also an option.

I don't think they play h6. They would immediately give the pawn back (bxn, pxn, pxp) and we still have a pretty good attack going. And it almost certainly prevents a castle by them.

If they play Nfd7, I don't think we take the queen pawn. We need to keep that pressure there, and try like heck to prevent him from castling (pxp, bxp and he is free to get the king to safety). Maybe Ne4 or be2 or bd3 or even bc4. Lots of reasons for all of them, but I think bd3 is the worst because we lose that potential mate down the queen file if it all clears up at some point.

If they play dxc5, we obviously play fxd5, Nfd7, and I like Ne4 here, but there are other options I think with the bishop again.

Let's not forget that if we somehow force them to move the queen bishop we can snag the pawn at b7 with our rook. Also, b6 looks like a decent resting spot for the little fellow at some point (unless their knight stays on d7).

I wish they would move already!

 

[otello]

Good road map for next set of moves. I think that they take pawn on e5.

 

[kutta]

They played g4 as white. I haven't really looked too hard yet but I don't think that's terrible for us. We have to break things up a bit and try to get some kind of attack going. I feel like we are back on our heels just a tad in this one.

 

[kutta]

O as white:

They took the pawn. I think we return the favor.

 

[otello]

O as white:

They took the pawn. I think we return the favor.

Agreed

 

[otello]

They played g4 as white. I haven't really looked too hard yet but I don't think that's terrible for us. We have to break things up a bit and try to get some kind of attack going. I feel like we are back on our heels just a tad in this one.

Best response is Nf7.

 

[kutta]

They played g4 as white. I haven't really looked too hard yet but I don't think that's terrible for us. We have to break things up a bit and try to get some kind of attack going. I feel like we are back on our heels just a tad in this one.

Best response is Nf7.

I think I agree. At some point I think we consider c6, but not yet.

 

[kutta]

I think you should make our white move. There really isn't much debate there.

 

[otello]

I think you should make our white move. There really isn't much debate there.

will do.

 

[otello]

fxe5 played as white

 

[otello]

They played g4 as white. I haven't really looked too hard yet but I don't think that's terrible for us. We have to break things up a bit and try to get some kind of attack going. I feel like we are back on our heels just a tad in this one.

Best response is Nf7.

I think I agree. At some point I think we consider c6, but not yet.

any other thoughts besides Nf7?