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White:

One thing that worries me a bit is them playing Bc5 (prevents us from castling), and then playing Rb8 threatening the check and potential rook exchange. To make this attack work I think we are going to need both rooks. We may be able to prevent it by playing Nd6+ and forcing the B/N trade (not actually "forcing" but strongly encouraging), but it's just something to keep in mind.

 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.

 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.
I think they'd castle or move Ke7.

 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.
I think they'd castle or move Ke7.
If they play ke7 we play Bxf7. If they castle we play rxn.
 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.
I think they'd castle or move Ke7.
If they play ke7 we play Bxf7. If they castle we play rxn.
White

I was talking about queenside castle, so rxn won't work. Also, if we play Bxf7 after they play ke7, they take our bishop w/ their king. We don't have a rook on the f file (but we would if we decide to castle now, which might not be a bad move).

 
Black

Or even better

19.... Rac8

20. Rc1 Rxc1

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

Opens up our f file, puts pressure on the knight & pawn on f2 & f3, and has the B with a discovered bead on the Q & R.

Either way, I think Rac8 is a solid move here.
Execute "The Dancing Bones Maneuver"?

 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.
I think they'd castle or move Ke7.
If they play ke7 we play Bxf7. If they castle we play rxn.
WhiteI was talking about queenside castle, so rxn won't work. Also, if we play Bxf7 after they play ke7, they take our bishop w/ their king. We don't have a rook on the f file (but we would if we decide to castle now, which might not be a bad move).
We would then take their knight with our rook, assuming the played Bb7 earlier.
 
White:

I'm really infatuated with this game for some reason. It's really interesting.

Here's a good line for us, I think, if they play Bc5 (which I think is very possible).

Bc5, Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

I think they are in some trouble here. We are threatening Rxe6 as well as Bxf7.

They could try Nc5? but we could counter with Bf2.

This definitely looks good for us. Will be interesting to see what they do.
I think they'd castle or move Ke7.
If they play ke7 we play Bxf7. If they castle we play rxn.
WhiteI was talking about queenside castle, so rxn won't work. Also, if we play Bxf7 after they play ke7, they take our bishop w/ their king. We don't have a rook on the f file (but we would if we decide to castle now, which might not be a bad move).
We would then take their knight with our rook, assuming the played Bb7 earlier.
Ah. And then we get their bishop as well. I see.

 
So, this is one thought as white:

Nd6+

BxN, RxB

Bb7, Bh5

Any other ideas?

 
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I think I am leaning towards castling now and ganging up on their f pawn. I'll post more moves later, but as good as our attack gets with the check, I think they can side step things enough by playing c5 instead of Bb7.

 
As black, is this the continuation?

20. ... Rxc1

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5
I think that is the way to go. We need a plan for if they take with the Q instead of the Rook - just in case.
If they take with the Q, I think we can still go Bh6, but without pulling their rook off the F file, our attack isn't as good here.

20. ....Rxc1

21. Qxc1 Bh6

22. g5 (or they could move the Q here) fxg5

23. Nxg5 Nxg5

24. Bxg5 Bxg5

25 Qxg5 Rf7

I think that leaves us still in an advantageous position. I prefer it if the take with the Rook on move 21 though.

Or.

20. ....Rxc1

21. Qxc1 Bh6

22. Qb2? I think if they move their Q here, we might be better off with g5 as a response - haven't worked the continuation all the way through, however.

 
I'm pretty good with the above moves, and I think taking the rook is correct right now. We do have to realize we are giving up the only open file on the board though (for now).

I still like this combo:

20. ... Rxc1
21. Rxc1 g5
22. Bg3 h5

If they take the h pawn, we play Bh6 at that point, and I think we win the Knight (by threatening to play g5.

I haven't fully looked at what happens if they don't take the pawn.

 
Black

I am good with Rxc1 but not sure about DB's following sequence if they take with the queen.

 
White

I worry that if we castle now, we end up in trouble because they end up moving their bishop to c5+ before we're ready.

I'd rather go Bg4 now. My guess is that they castle first there, I think:

20.Bg4 O-O

21.O-O Bc5+

22.Kh1

If not, they might end up activating their white bishop:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O

Then if they move their c pawn we might even shift gears:

20. Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O c5

22.Rxd7 Kxd7

23.Rxf7 Rhf8

24.Nf6+

Or, if they fianchetto the bishop then castle, we can bring our d rook over to the f file as well - and tell me that doesn't look pretty:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O O-O

22.Rdf3

Or they might set up that fianchetto by first moving their pawn out. In that case, I think the continuation above might still be fine, just switching their 20th and 21st moves: 21.O-O Bb7 22.Rxd7 Kxd7 23.Rxf7 Rhf8 24.Nf6+

To sum up, I like Bg4 as our next move in pretty much any of those scenarios.

 
White

I worry that if we castle now, we end up in trouble because they end up moving their bishop to c5+ before we're ready.

I'd rather go Bg4 now. My guess is that they castle first there, I think:

20.Bg4 O-O

21.O-O Bc5+

22.Kh1

If not, they might end up activating their white bishop:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O

Then if they move their c pawn we might even shift gears:

20. Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O c5

22.Rxd7 Kxd7

23.Rxf7 Rhf8

24.Nf6+

Or, if they fianchetto the bishop then castle, we can bring our d rook over to the f file as well - and tell me that doesn't look pretty:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O O-O

22.Rdf3

Or they might set up that fianchetto by first moving their pawn out. In that case, I think the continuation above might still be fine, just switching their 20th and 21st moves: 21.O-O Bb7 22.Rxd7 Kxd7 23.Rxf7 Rhf8 24.Nf6+

To sum up, I like Bg4 as our next move in pretty much any of those scenarios.
If we go bg4 I think they chase us away with h5.

If we move the bishop here, I think I like Kutta's idea of parking it on h5 to put pressure on the f pawn & stop their h pawn from marching.

 
dancingbones said:
Psychopav said:
White

I worry that if we castle now, we end up in trouble because they end up moving their bishop to c5+ before we're ready.

I'd rather go Bg4 now. My guess is that they castle first there, I think:

20.Bg4 O-O

21.O-O Bc5+

22.Kh1

If not, they might end up activating their white bishop:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O

Then if they move their c pawn we might even shift gears:

20. Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O c5

22.Rxd7 Kxd7

23.Rxf7 Rhf8

24.Nf6+

Or, if they fianchetto the bishop then castle, we can bring our d rook over to the f file as well - and tell me that doesn't look pretty:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O O-O

22.Rdf3

Or they might set up that fianchetto by first moving their pawn out. In that case, I think the continuation above might still be fine, just switching their 20th and 21st moves: 21.O-O Bb7 22.Rxd7 Kxd7 23.Rxf7 Rhf8 24.Nf6+

To sum up, I like Bg4 as our next move in pretty much any of those scenarios.
If we go bg4 I think they chase us away with h5.

If we move the bishop here, I think I like Kutta's idea of parking it on h5 to put pressure on the f pawn & stop their h pawn from marching.
Good point. I don't think it changes any of the work above either.

Bh5 is fine with me.

 
dancingbones said:
Psychopav said:
White

I worry that if we castle now, we end up in trouble because they end up moving their bishop to c5+ before we're ready.

I'd rather go Bg4 now. My guess is that they castle first there, I think:

20.Bg4 O-O

21.O-O Bc5+

22.Kh1

If not, they might end up activating their white bishop:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O

Then if they move their c pawn we might even shift gears:

20. Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O c5

22.Rxd7 Kxd7

23.Rxf7 Rhf8

24.Nf6+

Or, if they fianchetto the bishop then castle, we can bring our d rook over to the f file as well - and tell me that doesn't look pretty:

20.Bg4 Bb7

21.O-O O-O

22.Rdf3

Or they might set up that fianchetto by first moving their pawn out. In that case, I think the continuation above might still be fine, just switching their 20th and 21st moves: 21.O-O Bb7 22.Rxd7 Kxd7 23.Rxf7 Rhf8 24.Nf6+

To sum up, I like Bg4 as our next move in pretty much any of those scenarios.
If we go bg4 I think they chase us away with h5.

If we move the bishop here, I think I like Kutta's idea of parking it on h5 to put pressure on the f pawn & stop their h pawn from marching.
Good point. I don't think it changes any of the work above either.

Bh5 is fine with me.
In your example above, assuming we play 20. Bh5, if they play 20 ... , Bb7, I think we have them in a bad spot with:

21. Nd6+, BxN

22. RxB,

We are threatening Rxe6 and Bxf7.

 
I think we can get some really cool attacks with Nd6+, but I just don't see where they go after, BxN, RxB, c5 (if they play Bb2 we are golden, but I don't think we can count on that).

I think we need to castle soon (I'm still worried about Rb8 then the check at b1), but I also don't like them playing h5, which they just set up with their Bishop move (protected the g pawn). So I think Bh5 is our best move right now, with the plan to probably castle next move.

I guess they could play Bc5 if we don't castle to prevent us from doing so, but I think they would have played that last move if they really wanted to. And besides, I think that loses for them with Rf1 then Rf3 for us.

So, my vote for now is Bh5.

 
From Sand:

So, when I open up your white game my eyes always track over to a6 and note how alone that pass pawn is and figure you guys must be ####ting bricks every time you see that. So, are you ####ting bricks yet? Inquiring minds want to know.

My response:

Believe me. This game will be over long before your little pawn has a chance to get up a full head of steam. A SWAT team storming a flop house isn't worried about the barking Maltese in the yard next door.

 
From Sand:

So, when I open up your white game my eyes always track over to a6 and note how alone that pass pawn is and figure you guys must be ####ting bricks every time you see that. So, are you ####ting bricks yet? Inquiring minds want to know.

My response:

Believe me. This game will be over long before your little pawn has a chance to get up a full head of steam. A SWAT team storming a flop house isn't worried about the barking Maltese in the yard next door.
Chess smack talk.

The ultimate Geek playground. :)

 
Black, they moved:

Rxc1

One line we considered:

20. ... Rxc1
21. Rxc1 g5
22. Bg3 h5

Why not Bh6 here?

 
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Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6
22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Anyone have any suggestions?

 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
 
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Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
I like:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, nxg5

24. Nxg5, Qxf2+

25. Kh1 Bxg5

26. Qxg5 Qxe2

They can't take our knight with Qxe7 because

27. Qxe7 Qxe4+

28. Kh2 (or Kg1) Qf4+ (or Qe3+)

Then they lose their rook and we have a mate coming soon.

 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
Nice! I missed their issues with f2. I'll reevaluate later.
 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
Nice! I missed their issues with f2. I'll reevaluate later.
We should have an open f file after all of the trading.

 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Yeah. I'm really liking Bh6

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
I like:21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, nxg5

24. Nxg5, Qxf2+

25. Kh1 Bxg5

26. Qxg5 Qxe2


They can't take our knight with Qxe7 because

27. Qxe7 Qxe4+

28. Kh2 (or Kg1) Qf4+ (or Qe3+)


Then they lose their rook and we have a mate coming soon.
 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Yeah. I'm really liking Bh6

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
I like:21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, nxg5

24. Nxg5, Qxf2+

25. Kh1 Bxg5

26. Qxg5 Qxe2



They can't take our knight with Qxe7 because

27. Qxe7 Qxe4+

28. Kh2 (or Kg1) Qf4+ (or Qe3+)



Then they lose their rook and we have a mate coming soon.
So, Bh6 as black, then?

 
Black:

I was hung up on playing 21. ..., g5 with the intent on playing Bh6 next. I don't think that works, but I would like some eyes on it.

21. Rxc1, g5

22. Bg6, h5 (They have two choices now. They can take the pawn or leave it. I think we are still good if they leave it. But if they take, here's what happens)

23. gxh5, Bh6 (We are threatening to push our g pawn and threaten their Knight, Queen, and Rook. I only see one way out of them losing material).

24. Qb2, (This is really their only saving move. They can now move the Knight out of harm's way. We still get some kind of cool stuff going, but I don't see anything major)

I kind of like Bh6, but I'm fearful that we get into a bad spot:

21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, Bxg5

24. Nxg5, Nxg5

25. Qxg5

I'm just not seeing where we really go from here. Our Knight is in a bad spot, and we don't really have anywhere to attack. I suppose if we can get our queen to d4, that would be good, but we have to get that Knight to safety first.

Yeah. I'm really liking Bh6

Anyone have any suggestions?
cant we play 25. Qxf2+ ? Winning bishop on f2?
I like:21. Rxc1 Bh6

22. g5 fxg5

23. Bxg5, nxg5

24. Nxg5, Qxf2+

25. Kh1 Bxg5

26. Qxg5 Qxe2



They can't take our knight with Qxe7 because

27. Qxe7 Qxe4+

28. Kh2 (or Kg1) Qf4+ (or Qe3+)



Then they lose their rook and we have a mate coming soon.
So, Bh6 as black, then?
I''m in
 

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