Team X Chess thread (1 Viewer)

[Sand]

I will have some time to look at this in about an hour if you guys can wait...

We have time.

 

[Joe T]

I don't see it considered anywhere -

For black, did we look at Bb4+? It forces his king down to something like Kc1?

 

[pizzatyme]

I don't see it considered anywhere -

For black, did we look at Bb4+? It forces his king down to something like Kc1?

Bb4+ c3

 

[Joe T]

I don't see it considered anywhere -

For black, did we look at Bb4+? It forces his king down to something like Kc1?

Bb4+c3

Thx. I missed that again.

Why do we prefer Bb7 over Bd7? I didn't see that discussion either.

 

[Joe T]

Not sure I like this:

Bb7

27.Rb1 Ra7

28.Rb3 ??

oof

 

[Joe T]

after my short view, I think Bd7 is better for now. I'd like to look some more when I get back in a bit.

 

[Sand]

I don't see it considered anywhere -

For black, did we look at Bb4+? It forces his king down to something like Kc1?

Bb4+c3

Thx. I missed that again.

Why do we prefer Bb7 over Bd7? I didn't see that discussion either.

Probably prefer Bd7 at this point.

For Ra6 I see them going Be2 and then loading up the rooks on the a column. Doesn't look spectacular.

 

[pizzatyme]

Ra6

Be2 doesn't hurt us. They can't load up the Rooks without making several moves. We can always push the pawn while they're doing that to get it protected by the Bishop.

If they move the B from f3 to e2 it removes the threat on the pawn on c6.

 

[Joe T]

Ra6 is doable, but I don't think it is as good. I still think they load up the rooks on the b file which is pretty strong and is tougher to defend.

I prefer Bd7. Bd7 starts to free up our back row to let the rooks work together. It also strengthens our defense in the middle.

That's my vote - Bd7.

 

[pizzatyme]

I'm good w Bd7

 

[Sand]

I'm good w Bd7

I'm in agreement after looking closely. That's three - gonna make this one.

 

[Sand]

31.h4 h6

32.Kh3 Kg7

33.Qa2

O did indeed make the h6 move. Anything else to consider but Kh3 that we should look at?

2 days to make this move (sorry, running behind it seems).

 

[Joe T]

White:

32.Kh3 Qa3

33.Nf1 Qa1

34.Qe2 Qc3

35.Nd2 Qc1

ouch

We are likely in trouble anyway, but we probably should look at Qa2 first, before Kh3, just to try to keep his queen out of our end zone any more than it already is.

 

[Joe T]

unless we are ready to exchange queens?

just another thought.

 

[pizzatyme]

White

I think we should consider h5 to keep them from doing the same and opening up the h file for an attack.

If they try to maneuver the N to the other side of the board, we do the same with our K. We want to get our K to d3 and then I think we can play this to a draw. Or at least that gives us our best shot.

 

[pizzatyme]

White

Another idea is b3 to exchange Qs. This lessens the threat on a4 but it opens up the C file.

 

[spOOfy]

2hrs left in white. H6 was their move. Where we at?

 

[spOOfy]

90 mins.

 

[spOOfy]

Good with h5

 

[spOOfy]

Sigh. Game just resigned.

 

[Sand]

Sorry guys - went to church, mother's day, etc. I just missed it.

 

[pizzatyme]

Are we good with h5?

 

[nysfl2]

I think that I like Qa2, with h5 as a reasonable second option.

Qa2 extracts ourselves from the pin. I don't think that he's going to go h5 yet, as he can't take the pawn back yet. If he starts to move the king in range to take the pawn back, we can go h5 then.

h5 probably leads to Ng5, but he can't do much from there as long as our king stays in range of h3.

Qb3 is out, as it leads to Qxd2+

 

[nysfl2]

Are we good with h5?

The main negative that I see with h5 is if he goes g5, we can no longer move our king up to support the pawn advance.

 

[pizzatyme]

Are we good with h5?

The main negative that I see with h5 is if he goes g5, we can no longer move our king up to support the pawn advance.

Do you mean Ng5? If so, I'm perfectly happy with that as he is wasting a tempo putting his N there since he can't go further with it. I think that leads to a draw.

 

[Sand]

I think that I like Qa2, with h5 as a reasonable second option.

Qa2 extracts ourselves from the pin. I don't think that he's going to go h5 yet, as he can't take the pawn back yet. If he starts to move the king in range to take the pawn back, we can go h5 then.

h5 probably leads to Ng5, but he can't do much from there as long as our king stays in range of h3.

Qb3 is out, as it leads to Qxd2+

We will likely reconstitute this game. If so we'll just go with Qa2 as that was the option most in our thinking at the time that I blew it and didn't move.

 

[Sand]

I think that I like Qa2, with h5 as a reasonable second option.

Qa2 extracts ourselves from the pin. I don't think that he's going to go h5 yet, as he can't take the pawn back yet. If he starts to move the king in range to take the pawn back, we can go h5 then.

h5 probably leads to Ng5, but he can't do much from there as long as our king stays in range of h3.

Qb3 is out, as it leads to Qxd2+

We will likely reconstitute this game. If so we'll just go with Qa2 as that was the option most in our thinking at the time that I blew it and didn't move.

Reconstituting this. I sent him the Qa2 move to keep things moving. Sorry for screwing this up.

 

[Sand]

O has moved in our black game - Ke2. Pretty surprised we didn't see him move to the c column to try and get at the a pawn. I see O moving Rd1, then Be1, putting pressure on the a pawn. Initial choices for moves include Ra7 and a4. Anyone see anything else to look at?

We have 2:23:50 to complete this move.

 

[pizzatyme]

I think they're preparing for Rc3 to win the pawn. We should look at that.

 

[nysfl2]

I think they're preparing for Rc3 to win the pawn. We should look at that.

Ra6 Rd1 (from f1)

Ra7 Rc3

Bb3 ???

Doesn't look awful, but it keeps us on the defense

a4 Rc3

Ra5 Bf2

Bxf2 Kxf2

Rxe5 Bxc6

Rf5+

Looks pretty good, actually. I don't see much worse that he can do following a4. Rd1 just leads to us protecting the bishop with Ra7.

g4 would be an option, but it just leads to Be4, which doesn't change things much. Opens up a little more space for our rook to move.

Be7 stops the Rc3 threat, but doesn't do a lot that's productive, unless we want to fo f6 and try to get rid of that e5 pawn.

 

[Sand]

I think they're preparing for Rc3 to win the pawn. We should look at that.

Ra6 Rd1 (from f1)

Ra7 Rc3

Bb3 ???

Doesn't look awful, but it keeps us on the defense

a4 Rc3

Ra5 Bf2

Bxf2 Kxf2

Rxe5 Bxc6

Rf5+

Looks pretty good, actually. I don't see much worse that he can do following a4. Rd1 just leads to us protecting the bishop with Ra7.

g4 would be an option, but it just leads to Be4, which doesn't change things much. Opens up a little more space for our rook to move.

Be7 stops the Rc3 threat, but doesn't do a lot that's productive, unless we want to fo f6 and try to get rid of that e5 pawn.

I'm so blocked up right now I won't be able to look at this until tonight. Darn clients wanting my attention. I will look tonight, though (in between periods as the Rangers crush the Penguins).

 

[pizzatyme]

I'm in for a4.

 

[spOOfy]

a4 vote

 

[Sand]

After giving it a pretty solid look I don't see anything structurally wrong with a4. Going to make that one.

On the other game we are almost caught up and they have been told Qa2 is our next move.

 

[Sand]

Team o has moved Rd1. pretty much expected. Ra7?

Edit: Kutta just sent a crowing message. I fear we are missing something here.

 

[nysfl2]

Team o has moved Rd1. pretty much expected. Ra7?

Edit: Kutta just sent a crowing message. I fear we are missing something here.

Trying to see what the issue is here after Ra7:

Rxd7 - they lose ground

Bxc6 Bxc6

Rd8+ Ke6 - OK?

Bf2 Bxf2

Kxf2 we can still protect the pawn with c5

 

[nysfl2]

What do things look like if we just sacrifice the bishop and move a3?

a3 Rxd7

a2 Bxc6

a1 Ra7+

Never mind, doesn't work

 

[nysfl2]

This might be what they're planning:

Ra7 Rc3

Ra5 Bf3

Bxf2 Kxf2

Rxe5 Bxc6

Bxc6 Rxc6

Ra5 Rc8+

Nope, still doesn't look bad. I don't see it.

 

[spOOfy]

Team o has moved Rd1. pretty much expected. Ra7?

Edit: Kutta just sent a crowing message. I fear we are missing something here.

Trying to see what the issue is here after Ra7:

Rxd7 - they lose ground

Bxc6 Bxc6

Rd8+ Ke6 - OK?

Bf2 Bxf2

Kxf2 we can still protect the pawn with c5

maybe they are hoping we go Rd8 rather than Ra7? if so, they can then go Bxc6 and i think that line for them would be good. of course, we shouldn't go Rd8.

 

[spOOfy]

i think Ra7 is the winner.

 

[Joe T]

For black, I'm trying to figure out why we didn't move our King to e7 last move. I looked back through the discussion and don't even see it on there.

I thought the plan was to move the king to free up the back row for our rooks... :(

 

[Joe T]

That said, I can't find anything wrong with Ra7 either.

still looking.

 

[Joe T]

uh oh:

28.Rfd1 Ra7

29.Rxd7 Rxd7

30.Bxc6

yikes

RIP our white bishop.

 

[Joe T]

Ra7 is no good.

Looking at pawn to f6 now. I've looked at f6 several times. I think there is a way out there where we only give up a pawn instead of the bishop, but not sure. Hopefully you guys can take a look too.

 

[nysfl2]

Good find, Joe

 

[nysfl2]

Looking at f2:

exf6 Rh7 (can't go Rf7 because of Bh5)

Be4

ugh. That doesn't look any more viable.

 

[nysfl2]

Possible our best option is:

f6 exf6

Rf7 Bh5

a3 Bxf7+

Kxf7

Trades our rook and a pawn for his bishop. Yuk.

 

[nysfl2]

Rd8 Bxc6

f6 exf6

Rf7 Be5

Bb6

Looks slightly less horrible. Only loses us two pawns.

Ugh.

 

[Sand]

Hmmm. Not good. We need to move tonight. We seem to be almost to the point of resignation in both, IMO.

Sorry I'm not much help - my workload has gone up by a huge amount.

 

[spOOfy]

If we considered f6, why not just do f5 instead? Sure he can still take it but if not I think I like that better.