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Teixeira to the Braves (thread title change) (1 Viewer)
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Balco
Footballguy
Tiexiera is awesome, and will greatly help the Braves. He is a great defender and an unbelievable hitter. With Andruw Jones likely leaving after this season, the Braves will need Tex's bat. But I actually think Texas wins in this deal as well (can't believe I am saying Texas wins in a deal). Saltalamacchia is a top prospect who can catch or play 1st, and Elvis and Harrison are highly regarded minor league prospects.
harrycarey
Footballguy
stupid move by the Braves unless Tex can be their 3rd Starting Pitcher also
Ike Turner
Footballguy
Braves have a history of fleecing people in these kinds of deals.
Micah Bowie anyone?
Micah Bowie anyone?
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
True, but this sure seems steep. Problem is -- they will have to sign a huge contract to keep him after this season. If they don't -- they just wasted a bunch of prospects for nothing. Heck -- trade Andruw instead of the minor leaguers.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would also love to see them trade Jones intead of the minor leaguers, but I must say that for the most part the Braves have known which minor leaguers to trade in the past. They've won more than they've lost.
jagbag
Footballguy
Remember this one well.
I thought the Cubs were going to come out well in that deal.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Salty has absolutely stunk the last couple weeks too - not that it really lessens his value.
tikigods
Footballguy
Apparently the Braves asked for CJ Wilson to be included so Texas decided to hold things up to draw the Red Sox back into the discussions. Texas also has the Angels bidding and are trying to get Bill Stoneman to throw in either Brandon Wood or Nick Adhardt along with Casey Kotchman and Joe Saunders.Greco said:
Greco
Footballguy
If Texas tries to get too cute they will find themselves getting very little in return. Which is the Texas M.O., so I wouldn't be surprised if that scenario plays out.
tikigods
Footballguy
I agree. They're trying to sucker Boston into giving up Ellsbury and New York into giving up Chamberlain. The longer they hold out the less likely the Angels will stay in the bidding. I see the Angels giving up Kotchman to the White Sox for Konerko. The only real deal Texas has is Atlanta because there is no way the Red Sox or Yankees part with the above mentioned players.
Greco
Footballguy
The idea that Texas isn't savvy enough to get the Atlanta deal or the Angels deal is why they are perennial doormats. EITHER of these deals gives them two or three players for a guy who is gone in 18 months anyway...
tikigods
Footballguy
They'll hold out to the last minute holding the thought in their head that, "if we don't deal him, we have him for next year either way."
Greco
Footballguy
That kind of thinking, again, is why Texas is Texas. Next year his value drops because he would be in a contract year...
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
If the Braves do not get Benoit or Wilson in this trade they will likely hold out until real late. Hence the time it has taken to get this deal done.
tikigods
Footballguy
The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
While you may be correct, the Braves don't need the trade as much as the Rangers. Salty, Harrison and Andrus may have been offered by the braves, but only for a package of Wilson/Benoit and Teixiera. Why would we let our best Pitching prospect go if we don't get one back? God knows we need all the pitching we can get at this point.The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
tikigods
Footballguy
If they get Wilson or Benoit, who is the odd man out in the Braves bullpen?While you may be correct, the Braves don't need the trade as much as the Rangers. Salty, Harrison and Andrus may have been offered by the braves, but only for a package of Wilson/Benoit and Teixiera. Why would we let our best Pitching prospect go if we don't get one back? God knows we need all the pitching we can get at this point.The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
IMO it should be Yates or Villareal. Yates can be dynamite at times but is far too inconsistent. Ledezma gets bantered around a bit in discussions, as he as no minor-league options left but he's the only lefty in the pen so I doubt he goes. Soriano and Wickman are locks and Moylan has been perhaps their best. Chad Paronto has put up solid numbers as well. I don't expect him to get the boot.If they get Wilson or Benoit, who is the odd man out in the Braves bullpen?While you may be correct, the Braves don't need the trade as much as the Rangers. Salty, Harrison and Andrus may have been offered by the braves, but only for a package of Wilson/Benoit and Teixiera. Why would we let our best Pitching prospect go if we don't get one back? God knows we need all the pitching we can get at this point.The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
tikigods
Footballguy
I'm glad Braves fans have good thoughts about Chad. We played Class M ball together in NH. Good guy. Glad to see he is still doing well. He had it rough after Cleveland let him go in 03.IMO it should be Yates or Villareal. Yates can be dynamite at times but is far too inconsistent. Ledezma gets bantered around a bit in discussions, as he as no minor-league options left but he's the only lefty in the pen so I doubt he goes. Soriano and Wickman are locks and Moylan has been perhaps their best. Chad Paronto has put up solid numbers as well. I don't expect him to get the boot.If they get Wilson or Benoit, who is the odd man out in the Braves bullpen?While you may be correct, the Braves don't need the trade as much as the Rangers. Salty, Harrison and Andrus may have been offered by the braves, but only for a package of Wilson/Benoit and Teixiera. Why would we let our best Pitching prospect go if we don't get one back? God knows we need all the pitching we can get at this point.The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
the moops
Footballguy
Tex is signed through 08.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Some stats you may be interested in. Over 39.1 IP he has 3.66 ERA.Decent numbers but upon closer inspection he has only given up 1 ER in his last 22.1 IP. Also pitched 1+ IP 6 times over that stretch. He's one of the guys that IS getting things done in a fantastic way.I'm glad Braves fans have good thoughts about Chad. We played Class M ball together in NH. Good guy. Glad to see he is still doing well. He had it rough after Cleveland let him go in 03.IMO it should be Yates or Villareal. Yates can be dynamite at times but is far too inconsistent. Ledezma gets bantered around a bit in discussions, as he as no minor-league options left but he's the only lefty in the pen so I doubt he goes. Soriano and Wickman are locks and Moylan has been perhaps their best. Chad Paronto has put up solid numbers as well. I don't expect him to get the boot.If they get Wilson or Benoit, who is the odd man out in the Braves bullpen?While you may be correct, the Braves don't need the trade as much as the Rangers. Salty, Harrison and Andrus may have been offered by the braves, but only for a package of Wilson/Benoit and Teixiera. Why would we let our best Pitching prospect go if we don't get one back? God knows we need all the pitching we can get at this point.The Braves aren't the ones holding up the deal, it's Texas who is. They're trying to lure more out of other teams for whatever reason. Atlanta has offered all they're going to offer so why they don't pull the trigger is
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
******UPDATE******
Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
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Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Imminent
tikigods
Footballguy
Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
culdeus
Footballguy
Good riddance.
I never liked the guy, not for one second. I said this in the trade thread that getting a box of rocks for him is too much. He's worth a box of sand to me.
He's a clubhouse cancer and will make everyone else miserable around him. Hates hard ### coaches and hates player coaches. Hates making appearances. Hates being moved around in the order (wants 3rd). Certainly the "leak" in the clubhouse about personell issues and you know what the team played better when the "lockeroom cloud" was gone.
His glove play at 1st is vastly overrated as Texas has had really good infield play for a long time now and gold glove inertia is at work here.
I never liked the guy, not for one second. I said this in the trade thread that getting a box of rocks for him is too much. He's worth a box of sand to me.
He's a clubhouse cancer and will make everyone else miserable around him. Hates hard ### coaches and hates player coaches. Hates making appearances. Hates being moved around in the order (wants 3rd). Certainly the "leak" in the clubhouse about personell issues and you know what the team played better when the "lockeroom cloud" was gone.
His glove play at 1st is vastly overrated as Texas has had really good infield play for a long time now and gold glove inertia is at work here.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
If the Braves only get Teixera -- they are giving up too much.I have to say, as a huge Braves fan, I'm not really sure that I like the trade that much. Frankly, while they haven't been getting great #s out of 1st base -- that isn't really their problem. The biggest probem is that they need a #3 starting pitcher and a lefty out of the pen. Of course, who doesn't?I say get something for Andruw.By the way, Ledezma was optioned, released or something.Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?*******************
harrycarey
Footballguy
I agree.. a reliever coming back with Tex will make it okay, but i still don't like it. Just plug in Salty at 1st, call up Pena to back up Mcann and trade Thorman for something or release him. Use the other parts of the proposed Teixeira deal to get Zack Grienke, Kyle Lohse or someone like that.If the Braves only get Teixera -- they are giving up too much.I have to say, as a huge Braves fan, I'm not really sure that I like the trade that much. Frankly, while they haven't been getting great #s out of 1st base -- that isn't really their problem. The biggest probem is that they need a #3 starting pitcher and a lefty out of the pen. Of course, who doesn't?I say get something for Andruw.By the way, Ledezma was optioned, released or something.Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I think that Lohse or Morris would do very well in ATL. ATL is not going to re-sign Andruw. Trade him and at least get something. H, trade him AND Thorman.I agree.. a reliever coming back with Tex will make it okay, but i still don't like it. Just plug in Salty at 1st, call up Pena to back up Mcann and trade Thorman for something or release him. Use the other parts of the proposed Teixeira deal to get Zack Grienke, Kyle Lohse or someone like that.If the Braves only get Teixera -- they are giving up too much.I have to say, as a huge Braves fan, I'm not really sure that I like the trade that much. Frankly, while they haven't been getting great #s out of 1st base -- that isn't really their problem. The biggest probem is that they need a #3 starting pitcher and a lefty out of the pen. Of course, who doesn't?I say get something for Andruw.By the way, Ledezma was optioned, released or something.Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
harrycarey
Footballguy
Andruw's a 10 and 5 player, he's said he won't accept a tradeI think that Lohse or Morris would do very well in ATL. ATL is not going to re-sign Andruw. Trade him and at least get something. H, trade him AND Thorman.I agree.. a reliever coming back with Tex will make it okay, but i still don't like it. Just plug in Salty at 1st, call up Pena to back up Mcann and trade Thorman for something or release him. Use the other parts of the proposed Teixeira deal to get Zack Grienke, Kyle Lohse or someone like that.If the Braves only get Teixera -- they are giving up too much.I have to say, as a huge Braves fan, I'm not really sure that I like the trade that much. Frankly, while they haven't been getting great #s out of 1st base -- that isn't really their problem. The biggest probem is that they need a #3 starting pitcher and a lefty out of the pen. Of course, who doesn't?I say get something for Andruw.By the way, Ledezma was optioned, released or something.Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If this deal doesn't go down especially, don't be shocked to see Andruw in a Braves uniform again next year. His offensive woes, along with a recent attitude around the league that his defense has slipped, has caused his value to come way down. If no one is offering the $20m per that Boras was looking for, the Braves could end up back in the bidding.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
What a coincidence. That is his average -- .105. Of course, this terrible season may reduce his $ down to one that the Braves could handle.Andruw's a 10 and 5 player, he's said he won't accept a tradeI think that Lohse or Morris would do very well in ATL. ATL is not going to re-sign Andruw. Trade him and at least get something. H, trade him AND Thorman.I agree.. a reliever coming back with Tex will make it okay, but i still don't like it. Just plug in Salty at 1st, call up Pena to back up Mcann and trade Thorman for something or release him. Use the other parts of the proposed Teixeira deal to get Zack Grienke, Kyle Lohse or someone like that.If the Braves only get Teixera -- they are giving up too much.I have to say, as a huge Braves fan, I'm not really sure that I like the trade that much. Frankly, while they haven't been getting great #s out of 1st base -- that isn't really their problem. The biggest probem is that they need a #3 starting pitcher and a lefty out of the pen. Of course, who doesn't?I say get something for Andruw.By the way, Ledezma was optioned, released or something.Peter Gammons was just on Baseball Tonight saying he thought Teixeira to Atlanta was going to happen.******UPDATE******Every position player being used in the 14-0 blowout except for Salty. Not even to relive McCann. Also, he was the last player left on the bench in the 9th and Bobby sent RP Moylan up to hit instead of Salty. A sign that a deal might be done?
harrycarey
Footballguy
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Well, at least they got a LH reliever, I guess.
Here is the deal, though: They won't be able to resign Andruw after this year, won't be able to resign Tex after next year...Chipper will be about done, and they won't have a 3b, 1b, or CF.
Short term solution if you ask me. I'd do it if we had the pitching to win it this year or next -- but we don't.
Here is the deal, though: They won't be able to resign Andruw after this year, won't be able to resign Tex after next year...Chipper will be about done, and they won't have a 3b, 1b, or CF.
Short term solution if you ask me. I'd do it if we had the pitching to win it this year or next -- but we don't.
culdeus
Footballguy
This last consideration may not bother many, but Salty has an unusual family situation. Salty, now 21, married a teacher at his high school in West Palm Beach, Fla., who is now 37, according to records. His wife Ashley, who recently gave birth to their second child, insisted to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that their personal relationship didn't begin until the fall of 2004, when Salty was 18.
The Rangers apparently are aware of Salty's family situation and are said to believe he's maturing. Besides, switch-hitting catchers are hard to come by.
The Rangers apparently are aware of Salty's family situation and are said to believe he's maturing. Besides, switch-hitting catchers are hard to come by.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Evidently a Kyle Davies + Thorman(?) deal is on the table for Grienke. Can't confirm this though. If we get him, watch out.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
So, who's going to be our 5th (3rd) starting pitcher?
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Well they're really high on two prospects- Brent Lillibridge and Brandon Jones. Lillibridge is a hit-for-average, speedy SS and Brandon Jones is a power CF very similar to Andruw. Of course they are just that- prospects- but both are in AAA and doing just fine. I think escobar moves to 3B when chip is gone. However, I think we gave up a little too much in this deal. It essentially boils down to out #1, #2, #3 and #6 prospects coming into this year and we may have shot ourselves in the foot by dealing away future SP's. I really liked both Harrison and Feliz. I feel like if we got wilson- who would have gotten equal value.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Good question. Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck James, JoJo Reyes,
Maybe recall Devine?
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Who takes over at 1B in Texas?
Nate Gold?
Nate Gold?
Jason Botts I presume.
harrycarey
Footballguy
Remember Buddy Carlyle.. he's been our 3rd best starter for the last half of the season...... I would love that trade for Grienke... Moore is familiar with our system so maybe he's in love with those 2 and will do it.Good question. Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck James, JoJo Reyes,Maybe recall Devine?
harrycarey
Footballguy
Don't forget about Willie/Diaz who collectively are hitting .320+ i would guess
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Harris .321, Diaz .342
