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Terror in New Orleans (3 Viewers)

What an embarrassment the NOLA police chief is. Please resign.
Today same as yesterday same as decades ago.
For those of us that are not locals, how bad is it?
-We visited there week before Thanksgiving, stood on Canal Street, pretty sure right around this area or close
Never felt like we were in any danger, seemed like there was ample police and security around.

Hindsight is 20/20, and while the truck driving thru the French Quarter should never happen, a large group of police ran towards the gun fire not away from it
I thought that showed their bravery in putting a stop to this guy when he exited the vehicle and started shooting

I understand your anger and frustration, this police chief is not very inspiring in the press conferences but the response as the situation unfolded from the actual police on the ground was pretty strong from all accounts.
 
Here are the 2 letters he wrote.
The first one is political, a call for a military takeover of the US government using violence if necessary.
The second one is a list of political and social grievances and blames various sources.
It's similar to stuff you can see on various message boards if you're so inclined, written by people in comfortable chairs.

What jumps out at me is this from the second letter: "A lot of us are just sitting around waiting to die. No sunlight, no steps, no fresh air, no hope" before veering off into blaming multiple others. He sounds completely hopeless and suicidal, like someone who was around too many people blown up by IED's and was wrecked by that experience.

Would someone please check another source to see if these are in fact the letters he sent? I don't want to be wrong and misleading. Thanks.
 
From what I'm hearing through the grapevine, the Vegas incident is rooted in a personal event and was not a planned extremist terrorism type of thing.
I was telling my daughter this morning that a guy with his background/knowledge would surely come up with a better "device" if he really wanted to hurt others. Seems possible the only planning in this was the renting the truck and driving to LV and the potential symbolism of things/people attached.
Agreed. Lots of speculation because of the Tesla and Trump links, but I think it boils down to a guy living apart from his second wife and daughter who comes home for the holidays to see that relationship falling apart. Depression along with possible alcohol and drugs leads to a series of poor decisions resulting in suicide with some additional flare. I don't think he was radicalized with some master plan.
The email from him on the Shawn Ryan show was very weird and the FBI seems to think it was from him
I think this is the one you're talking about:

The day before the blast, Livelsberger appears to have sent an email to some online media outlets saying he was in possession of a “massive VBIED,” or vehicle-borne improvised explosive device and was armed, according to a copy reviewed by CNN. Law enforcement has reviewed the message and examined where the email originated and believe it was written by Livelsberger, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation confirmed to CNN. The email expressed conspiratorial concerns about government agencies “tracking” him and suggested he had planned to travel to the US-Mexico border.
It’s funny that in this story and the Fox version there is no mention of his allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan or Chinese drones.Granted taking in context of him killing himself everything sounds crazy . This whole part of the story is strange. Even how this part is coming out , from a former CIA guy.
 
What an embarrassment the NOLA police chief is. Please resign.
Today same as yesterday same as decades ago.
For those of us that are not locals, how bad is it?
-We visited there week before Thanksgiving, stood on Canal Street, pretty sure right around this area or close
Never felt like we were in any danger, seemed like there was ample police and security around.

Hindsight is 20/20, and while the truck driving thru the French Quarter should never happen, a large group of police ran towards the gun fire not away from it
I thought that showed their bravery in putting a stop to this guy when he exited the vehicle and started shooting

I understand your anger and frustration, this police chief is not very inspiring in the press conferences but the response as the situation unfolded from the actual police on the ground was pretty strong from all accounts.
NOPD has been under a federal consent order since 2012 after a scathing DOJ report. That gives you and inkling of where this organization is currently.
 
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It’s funny that in this story and the Fox version there is no mention of his allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan or Chinese drones.Granted taking in context of him killing himself everything sounds crazy . This whole part of the story is strange. Even how this part is coming out , from a former CIA guy.
What allegations he made of war crimes in Afghanistan?
What allegations he made about Chinese drones?
A link to those would be really solid. Thanks.

Here's a link to what he wrote, and I'm not seeing either of those things.
 
It’s funny that in this story and the Fox version there is no mention of his allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan or Chinese drones.Granted taking in context of him killing himself everything sounds crazy . This whole part of the story is strange. Even how this part is coming out , from a former CIA guy.
What allegations he made of war crimes in Afghanistan?
What allegations he made about Chinese drones?
A link to those would be really solid. Thanks.

Here's a link to what he wrote, and I'm not seeing either of those things.
Matt Livelsberger's Email

"I've been followed for over a week now from likely homeland or FBI, and they are looking to move on me and are unlikely going to let me cross into Mexico, but won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED. I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone and they are definitely digitally tracking me."

"I have knowledge of this program and also war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in Nimruz province Afghanistan in 2019 by the admin, DoD, DEA and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings (65 were struck because of CIVCAS) that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day."



He says the US & China have gravitic propulsion vehicles and the Chinese are launching them from the Atlantic. Crazy stuff
 
It’s funny that in this story and the Fox version there is no mention of his allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan or Chinese drones.Granted taking in context of him killing himself everything sounds crazy . This whole part of the story is strange. Even how this part is coming out , from a former CIA guy.
What allegations he made of war crimes in Afghanistan?
What allegations he made about Chinese drones?
A link to those would be really solid. Thanks.

Here's a link to what he wrote, and I'm not seeing either of those things.
Matt Livelsberger's Email

"I've been followed for over a week now from likely homeland or FBI, and they are looking to move on me and are unlikely going to let me cross into Mexico, but won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED. I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone and they are definitely digitally tracking me."

"I have knowledge of this program and also war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in Nimruz province Afghanistan in 2019 by the admin, DoD, DEA and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings (65 were struck because of CIVCAS) that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day."



He says the US & China have gravitic propulsion vehicles and the Chinese are launching them from the Atlantic. Crazy stuff
The "war crimes" in Afghanistan is mostly bogus. We took thousands of questionable strikes in those 20 years killing close to 50k Afghanistan civilians.

It was the cost of operations in that theater. DoD had a huge backlog of allegations they had to process and has acknowledged these issues along the way. I feel like anyone working SF in that AOR knows this.

Sidenote: there is also a fine line between civilian and enemy combatant. There is a lot of gray in this area and the military tends to push the version that makes them look better.

This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
 
This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
Anyone who does this is dealing with a lot issues . The email reads like it’s an overview of a movie and it’s being presented by two former members of the intel community which raises eyebrows.

It’s been talked about for a while but it appears we as a country are dropping the ball helping current and former members of our military
 
a guy having a mental break.
The "they've been tracking me" and "won't let me into Mexico" sounds like someone in distress.

*Just an observation, I'm not a professional.
"In case I do not make it to my decision point or on to the Mexico border I am sending this now. Please do not release this until 1JAN and keep my identity private until then.“

My decision point???


If he believed he was being tracked why use a vehicle that’s easily tracked. Nothing adds up except that he needed help
 
This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
Anyone who does this is dealing with a lot issues . The email reads like it’s an overview of a movie and it’s being presented by two former members of the intel community which raises eyebrows.

It’s been talked about for a while but it appears we as a country are dropping the ball helping current and former members of our military
Yep. Although the numbers are debatable, the VA reported 22 veterans a day commit suicide years ago. It's old data that needs to be updated in my opinion. Treating veterans from deployment experiences should be standard practice for the military. Should not be optional. Sometimes this is the result of humans that' go through some bad stuff serving their country.
 
From what I'm hearing through the grapevine, the Vegas incident is rooted in a personal event and was not a planned extremist terrorism type of thing.
I was telling my daughter this morning that a guy with his background/knowledge would surely come up with a better "device" if he really wanted to hurt others. Seems possible the only planning in this was the renting the truck and driving to LV and the potential symbolism of things/people attached.
Agreed. Lots of speculation because of the Tesla and Trump links, but I think it boils down to a guy living apart from his second wife and daughter who comes home for the holidays to see that relationship falling apart. Depression along with possible alcohol and drugs leads to a series of poor decisions resulting in suicide with some additional flare. I don't think he was radicalized with some master plan.
The email from him on the Shawn Ryan show was very weird and the FBI seems to think it was from him
I think this is the one you're talking about:

The day before the blast, Livelsberger appears to have sent an email to some online media outlets saying he was in possession of a “massive VBIED,” or vehicle-borne improvised explosive device and was armed, according to a copy reviewed by CNN. Law enforcement has reviewed the message and examined where the email originated and believe it was written by Livelsberger, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation confirmed to CNN. The email expressed conspiratorial concerns about government agencies “tracking” him and suggested he had planned to travel to the US-Mexico border.
It’s funny that in this story and the Fox version there is no mention of his allegations of war crimes in Afghanistan or Chinese drones.Granted taking in context of him killing himself everything sounds crazy . This whole part of the story is strange. Even how this part is coming out , from a former CIA guy.

Well they are only telling us what they want us to hear
 
I was on a case where a vet called/emailed a local politician and emailed photos of him stalking the headquarters with very graphic explicit threats because he felt he wasn't getting the VA help he thought he should have..... Very sad
 
This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
Anyone who does this is dealing with a lot issues . The email reads like it’s an overview of a movie and it’s being presented by two former members of the intel community which raises eyebrows.

It’s been talked about for a while but it appears we as a country are dropping the ball helping current and former members of our military
Yep. Although the numbers are debatable, the VA reported 22 veterans a day commit suicide years ago. It's old data that needs to be updated in my opinion. Treating veterans from deployment experiences should be standard practice for the military. Should not be optional. Sometimes this is the result of humans that' go through some bad stuff serving their country.
When I make this post, I want to be very clear on three things:
1. I'm not a Veteran and cannot even pretend to know what they experience.
2. While I have had some tangential training on the topic, I am not a mental health professional.
3. My experiences with Veterans suffering from mental health issues are obviously limited to my jurisdiction and my own experiences. In other words, I make the statements anecdotally and do not know whether my experiences constitute a sample size large enough to be taken as an accurate reflection of veterans suffering from combat-related mental health issues.

With the above in mind, I spent nearly a decade very involved in a legal program called the Veterans Court. It's a type of court program where the goal is rehabilitation as opposed to punishment. In short, what happens is a Veteran commits a crime (could span from a very low level misdemeanor to a pretty significant felony) and instead of jailing them or giving them a fine or whatever the Veteran can opt into Veterans court and spend 6-12 months (sometimes longer) where there are regular court dates for the Veterans and they have some mandatory obligations but there is a very real benefit that we have a whole team of people (lawyers, judges, mental health professionals, VA coordinators, probation officers, substance abuse counselors, HUD representatives, etc.) that put in real time and effort to "staff" the particular Veterans' issues and genuinely try to help them. A lot of this work is simply getting the Veteran connected to service that he or she has obviously earned that can help with their mental health, housing, substance abuse issues, etc. It's a wonderful court program and some of the my best days in my career were being there for a client who went from being depressed, homeless, and addicted to drugs/alcohol only to graduate the program with a job, a stable home, sobriety, and a re-connectedness to his or her family. Usually these stories also included the financial benefit for the Veteran because the team would be able to get him or her financial benefits that the Veteran earned but did not know how to realize. Truly awesome stuff.

However, there are not always success stories and for every one of the above there may be a Veteran who did not enjoy the same success. It would be heartbreaking to watch a Veteran who the "team" helped find housing opt to go back to living in a literal tunnel, find himself back at the bottom of a bottle or the unfortunate end of a lit smoking device or needle, or, in the truly unfortunate situations, wind up committing one or more very serious crimes. I'll be honest, when I learned the Vegas guy's name a part of me worried that I may recognize it due to the geographical area and nature of the crime/act. From my perspective in these unfortunate situations, oftentimes the Veteran likely chose not to engage or take advantage of the programs being offered. Now, I am not placing direct blame here, as it's very possible the Veteran's mental health may have been "too far gone" (my phrase) or the addiction too strong. But, stories like this Vegas truck guy may still be told despite best efforts and services available. This could be because a significant unfortunate life event (e.g. relationship issues, death of a loved one, etc.) overrode progress.

My whole point with the above is to address the statements in the quoted post that I put in bold as I can attest firsthand that there are programs for Veterans upon their discharge - especially for combat Veterans. However, we cannot force the Veteran to engage (such would be unconstitutional) and, unfortunately, sometimes the Veteran's mental health may be too challenging to address. Could our programs and services be better? Almost certainly and that is a worthwhile discussion. But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.
 
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But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.

I don't think anyone is suggesting there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans.

And absolutely, it's challenging, and there isn't a magical fix.

But from the small glimpse of this I've experienced with the homeless ministry in Knoxville and the veterans there, it seems we have lots of room to improve.
 
Very insightful Woz - thx for sharing.

Ripple costs from the egregious decision to invade Iraq. More Veterans in need of care, and more collateral damage. As a country we forgot the lessons of Vietnam and we’ll be paying for it in various ways for decades.
 
But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.

I don't think anyone is suggesting there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans.

And absolutely, it's challenging, and there isn't a magical fix.

But from the small glimpse of this I've experienced with the homeless ministry in Knoxville and the veterans there, it seems we have lots of room to improve.
💯. We are throwing millions at the problem locally here in San Diego, and it’s not getting much better. I don’t have any answers, other than I KNOW we need to build a ton more housing.
 
But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.

I don't think anyone is suggesting there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans.

And absolutely, it's challenging, and there isn't a magical fix.

But from the small glimpse of this I've experienced with the homeless ministry in Knoxville and the veterans there, it seems we have lots of room to improve.
I appreciate that. I think the comment that I was more focused on and prompted my lengthier post was the suggestion that mental health treatment should be mandatory. It’s just not that simple and doesn’t comport with the constitution.
 
This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
Anyone who does this is dealing with a lot issues . The email reads like it’s an overview of a movie and it’s being presented by two former members of the intel community which raises eyebrows.

It’s been talked about for a while but it appears we as a country are dropping the ball helping current and former members of our military
Yep. Although the numbers are debatable, the VA reported 22 veterans a day commit suicide years ago. It's old data that needs to be updated in my opinion. Treating veterans from deployment experiences should be standard practice for the military. Should not be optional. Sometimes this is the result of humans that' go through some bad stuff serving their country.
When I make this post, I want to be very clear on three things:
1. I'm not a Veteran and cannot even pretend to know what they experience.
2. While I have had some tangential training on the topic, I am not a mental health professional.
3. My experiences with Veterans suffering from mental health issues are obviously limited to my jurisdiction and my own experiences. In other words, I make the statements anecdotally and do not know whether my experiences constitute a sample size large enough to be taken as an accurate reflection of veterans suffering from combat-related mental health issues.

With the above in mind, I spent nearly a decade very involved in a legal program called the Veterans Court. It's a type of court program where the goal is rehabilitation as opposed to punishment. In short, what happens is a Veteran commits a crime (could span from a very low level misdemeanor to a pretty significant felony) and instead of jailing them or giving them a fine or whatever the Veteran can opt into Veterans court and spent 6-12 months (sometimes longer) where there are regular court dates for the Veterans and they have some mandatory obligations but there is a very real benefit that we have a whole team of people (lawyers, judges, mental health professionals, VA coordinators, probation officers, substance abuse counselors, HUD representatives, etc.) that put in real time and effort to "staff" the particular Veterans' issues and genuinely try to help them. A lot of this work is simply getting the Veteran connected to service that he or she has obviously earned that can help with their mental health, housing, substance abuse issues, etc. It's a wonderful court program and some of the my best days in my career were being there for a client who went from being depressed, homeless, and addicted to drugs/alcohol only to graduate the program with a job, a stable home, sobriety, and a re-connectedness to his or her family. Usually these stories also included the financial benefit for the Veteran because the team would be able to get him or her financial benefits that the Veteran earned but did not know how to realize. Truly awesome stuff.

However, there are not always success stories and for every one of the above there may be a Veteran who did enjoy the same success. It would be heartbreaking to watch a Veteran who the "team" helped find housing opt to go back to living in a literal tunnel, find himself back at the bottom of a bottle or the unfortunate end of a lit smoking device or needle, or, in the truly unfortunate situations, wind up committing one or more very serious crimes. I'll be honest, when I learned the Vegas guy's name a part of me worried that I may recognize it due to the geographical area and nature of the crime/act. From my perspective in these unfortunate situations, oftentimes the Veteran likely chose not to engage or take advantage of the programs being offered. Now, I am not placing direct blame here, as it's very possible the Veteran's mental health may have been "too far gone" (my phrase) or the addiction too strong. But, stories like this Vegas truck guy may still be told despite best efforts and services available. This could be because a significant unfortunate life event (e.g. relationship issues, death of a loved one, etc.) overrode progress.

My whole point with the above is to address the statements in the quoted post that I put in bold as I can attest firsthand that there are programs for Veterans upon their discharge - especially for combat Veterans. However, we cannot force the Veteran to engage (such would be unconstitutional) and, unfortunately, sometimes the Veteran's mental health may be too challenging to address. Could our programs and services be better? Almost certainly and that is a worthwhile discussion. But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.
Absolutely love this post. I am a veteran. I had ABSOLUTELY no idea this was a program. I love this. My ETS was 2003. I wonder if this program started after? If it was started before I got out seems like a major disconnect that I wasnt made aware of it. I was also referring to guidance for soldiers currently in active duty and made as a requirement immediately post deployment. Meaning. You spend 6 months in Iraq. Upon arriving home back to duty station they are required to sit down with Psych for a quick mental download. Maybe it's changed. Decades ago, I had 3 pretty real combat tours to include Iraqi Freedom war campaign. On all of my deployments when I returned home the concern was more focused on my TA50 ( my gear) over how I was holding up mentally. Seems like a brief sit down to simply ask how I was would be appropriate. That brief conversation is the non optional military standard id like to see implemented. Your right it's not a magical solution, but talking about it early I would think would promote being able to talk about it and address it later. It's been decades and hopefully things have changed. All my opinion of course. Love the conversation. Thanks.
 
woz, awesome program 👍🏼 but in regards to the las vegas guy he was still active duty so the army could have forced him to do whatever they wanted to do for treatment. The military right now has a huge suicide problem that they are currently dealing with, but they refuse to work on services for mental health. It really is bizarre, they acknowledge suicide as a problem but not part of the root cause in treating mental health while members are still in, it’s like they are holding their breath hoping people make it to discharge/retirement date and then wipe their hands clean and say “hey, it’s the VA’s problem now”
 
woz, awesome program 👍🏼 but in regards to the las vegas guy he was still active duty so the army could have forced him to do whatever they wanted to do for treatment. The military right now has a huge suicide problem that they are currently dealing with, but they refuse to work on services for mental health. It really is bizarre, they acknowledge suicide as a problem but not part of the root cause in treating mental health while members are still in, it’s like they are holding their breath hoping people make it to discharge/retirement date and then wipe their hands clean and say “hey, it’s the VA’s problem now”
Good points.
 
This again sounds like a guy having a mental break.
Anyone who does this is dealing with a lot issues . The email reads like it’s an overview of a movie and it’s being presented by two former members of the intel community which raises eyebrows.

It’s been talked about for a while but it appears we as a country are dropping the ball helping current and former members of our military
Yep. Although the numbers are debatable, the VA reported 22 veterans a day commit suicide years ago. It's old data that needs to be updated in my opinion. Treating veterans from deployment experiences should be standard practice for the military. Should not be optional. Sometimes this is the result of humans that' go through some bad stuff serving their country.
When I make this post, I want to be very clear on three things:
1. I'm not a Veteran and cannot even pretend to know what they experience.
2. While I have had some tangential training on the topic, I am not a mental health professional.
3. My experiences with Veterans suffering from mental health issues are obviously limited to my jurisdiction and my own experiences. In other words, I make the statements anecdotally and do not know whether my experiences constitute a sample size large enough to be taken as an accurate reflection of veterans suffering from combat-related mental health issues.

With the above in mind, I spent nearly a decade very involved in a legal program called the Veterans Court. It's a type of court program where the goal is rehabilitation as opposed to punishment. In short, what happens is a Veteran commits a crime (could span from a very low level misdemeanor to a pretty significant felony) and instead of jailing them or giving them a fine or whatever the Veteran can opt into Veterans court and spent 6-12 months (sometimes longer) where there are regular court dates for the Veterans and they have some mandatory obligations but there is a very real benefit that we have a whole team of people (lawyers, judges, mental health professionals, VA coordinators, probation officers, substance abuse counselors, HUD representatives, etc.) that put in real time and effort to "staff" the particular Veterans' issues and genuinely try to help them. A lot of this work is simply getting the Veteran connected to service that he or she has obviously earned that can help with their mental health, housing, substance abuse issues, etc. It's a wonderful court program and some of the my best days in my career were being there for a client who went from being depressed, homeless, and addicted to drugs/alcohol only to graduate the program with a job, a stable home, sobriety, and a re-connectedness to his or her family. Usually these stories also included the financial benefit for the Veteran because the team would be able to get him or her financial benefits that the Veteran earned but did not know how to realize. Truly awesome stuff.

However, there are not always success stories and for every one of the above there may be a Veteran who did enjoy the same success. It would be heartbreaking to watch a Veteran who the "team" helped find housing opt to go back to living in a literal tunnel, find himself back at the bottom of a bottle or the unfortunate end of a lit smoking device or needle, or, in the truly unfortunate situations, wind up committing one or more very serious crimes. I'll be honest, when I learned the Vegas guy's name a part of me worried that I may recognize it due to the geographical area and nature of the crime/act. From my perspective in these unfortunate situations, oftentimes the Veteran likely chose not to engage or take advantage of the programs being offered. Now, I am not placing direct blame here, as it's very possible the Veteran's mental health may have been "too far gone" (my phrase) or the addiction too strong. But, stories like this Vegas truck guy may still be told despite best efforts and services available. This could be because a significant unfortunate life event (e.g. relationship issues, death of a loved one, etc.) overrode progress.

My whole point with the above is to address the statements in the quoted post that I put in bold as I can attest firsthand that there are programs for Veterans upon their discharge - especially for combat Veterans. However, we cannot force the Veteran to engage (such would be unconstitutional) and, unfortunately, sometimes the Veteran's mental health may be too challenging to address. Could our programs and services be better? Almost certainly and that is a worthwhile discussion. But, it is errant to suggest that there are not some real beneficial services for Veterans and that our laws (which require the Veteran have a choice in the matter) and natural budgetary constraints may understandably hinder the efficacy of these services. And, as is always the case when we try marry proactive mental health measures with a person's civil liberties, it is very, very challenging issue to deal with. As such, I do not believe there is a magical solution or fix as the bold may suggest.
Absolutely love this post. I am a veteran. I had ABSOLUTELY no idea this was a program. I love this. My ETS was 2003. I wonder if this program started after? If it was started before I got out seems like a major disconnect that I wasnt made aware of it. I was also referring to guidance for soldiers currently in active duty and made as a requirement immediately post deployment. Meaning. You spend 6 months in Iraq. Upon arriving home back to duty station they are required to sit down with Psych for a quick mental download. Maybe it's changed. Decades ago, I had 3 pretty real combat tours to include Iraqi Freedom war campaign. On all of my deployments when I returned home the concern was more focused on my TA50 ( my gear) over how I was holding up mentally. Seems like a brief sit down to simply ask how I was would be appropriate. That brief conversation is the non optional military standard id like to see implemented. Your right it's not a magical solution, but talking about it early I would think would promote being able to talk about it and address it later. It's been decades and hopefully things have changed. All my opinion of course. Love the conversation. Thanks.
I suppose the unfortunate irony is that a Veteran needs to be charged with a crime to have the program offered (though I can't imagine the "team" wouldn't work with any Veteran who requested the help).

I appreciate your service and the insight you've provided about the lack of mental health care you were provided upon your return from deployment.
 
woz, awesome program 👍🏼 but in regards to the las vegas guy he was still active duty so the army could have forced him to do whatever they wanted to do for treatment. The military right now has a huge suicide problem that they are currently dealing with, but they refuse to work on services for mental health. It really is bizarre, they acknowledge suicide as a problem but not part of the root cause in treating mental health while members are still in, it’s like they are holding their breath hoping people make it to discharge/retirement date and then wipe their hands clean and say “hey, it’s the VA’s problem now”
From my lane I've seen an improvement in mental health treatment awareness for active duty. I feel the military is doing a better job promoting what resources are available.

The problem is there's sort of a catch 22 type thing currently going on. For active duty members once you step into using mental health resources, you lose control of your career. I've seen an couple guys removed from operational roles for seeking help and that pretty much moves them to the bottom of the list for promotion potential. It creates a dynamic where soldiers won't seek help because they are afraid of the outcomes.

We see it with veterans with PTSD diagnosises trying to enter the civilian workforce. Our civilians need medical waivers to deploy with PTSD and our hiring process won't allow a new hire to require a medical waiver for deployment. This again creates another barrier to people seeking help they may need.
 
Didn't take the DoD long to jump on this. I already had a meeting this morning IRT increasing the budget and funding for CT operations. The New Orleans event is being considered an "ISIS Sponsored" attack and is the first ISIS sponsored attack against the US homeland in over 7 years. Funding to deter these types of attacks has been decreasing over the years due to the lower perceived threat.
 
Didn't take the DoD long to jump on this. I already had a meeting this morning IRT increasing the budget and funding for CT operations. The New Orleans event is being considered an "ISIS Sponsored" attack and is the first ISIS sponsored attack against the US homeland in over 7 years. Funding to deter these types of attacks has been decreasing over the years due to the lower perceived threat.
It's wild how things get labeled if it can help a department get more money :rant:
 
woz, awesome program 👍🏼 but in regards to the las vegas guy he was still active duty so the army could have forced him to do whatever they wanted to do for treatment. The military right now has a huge suicide problem that they are currently dealing with, but they refuse to work on services for mental health. It really is bizarre, they acknowledge suicide as a problem but not part of the root cause in treating mental health while members are still in, it’s like they are holding their breath hoping people make it to discharge/retirement date and then wipe their hands clean and say “hey, it’s the VA’s problem now”
From my lane I've seen an improvement in mental health treatment awareness for active duty. I feel the military is doing a better job promoting what resources are available.

The problem is there's sort of a catch 22 type thing currently going on. For active duty members once you step into using mental health resources, you lose control of your career. I've seen an couple guys removed from operational roles for seeking help and that pretty much moves them to the bottom of the list for promotion potential. It creates a dynamic where soldiers won't seek help because they are afraid of the outcomes.

We see it with veterans with PTSD diagnosises trying to enter the civilian workforce. Our civilians need medical waivers to deploy with PTSD and our hiring process won't allow a new hire to require a medical waiver for deployment. This again creates another barrier to people seeking help they may need.
I can see that Catch 22 as you describe. A good buddy of mine lost his brother to suicide last year. He was an active duty Navy fighter pilot that struggled with depression. He got some help, but likely didn't seek better care due to the barriers to his career. He probably felt trapped and took what he saw as a way out. Left behind and wife but no kids. Super sad.
 
Very insightful Woz - thx for sharing.

Ripple costs from the egregious decision to invade Iraq. More Veterans in need of care, and more collateral damage. As a country we forgot the lessons of Vietnam and we’ll be paying for it in various ways for decades.
:rant:

My brother served and now works very high up for the V.A.which is HQ in D.C.
You're allowed your POV and opinion but that's all it is...I doubt you'd talk like this in front of a group of Vets, they'd put a stop to it quickly
Because I respect the house rules around here I won't go any further but you need to check yourself
You think you're protecting Vets but you actually do a lot of damage with these statements

You equate Iraq to Vietnam, you don't have to say any more, duly noted for you.
Please stop these politically charged posts (not saying its done with malice)
It's not fair since others are not allowed to rebuke your comments without breaking the house rules and getting into a political tug of war which is forbidden round here

-We at the Ministry love TGunz so please show a little respect
Thank You!
 
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So apparently it doesn't matter that the bollards weren't in place in New Orleans. They're not designed to stop anything going faster than 10 mph.

You can't make this up.

This is as per NBC Nightly News.
 
Very insightful Woz - thx for sharing.

Ripple costs from the egregious decision to invade Iraq. More Veterans in need of care, and more collateral damage. As a country we forgot the lessons of Vietnam and we’ll be paying for it in various ways for decades.
:rant:

My brother is way up the food chain at the V.A.which is HQ in D.C.
You're allowed your POV and opinion but that's all it is...I doubt you'd talk like this in front of a group of Vets, they'd put a stop to it quickly
Because I respect the house rules around here I won't go any further but you need to check yourself
You think you're protecting Vets but you actually do a lot of damage with these statements

You equate Iraq to Vietnam, you don't have to say any more, duly noted for you.
Please stop these politically charged posts (not saying its done with malice)
It's not fair since others are not allowed to rebuke your comments without breaking the house rules and getting into a political tug of war which is forbidden round here

-We at the Ministry love TGunz so please show a little respect
Thank You!
the quality of care for vets once out of service is disgusting, that is the truth
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
Yea I agree with this. I know that New Orleans has a history of less than good policing, and it is a very outdoor/walkable city, but you can't stop crazy. Instead of his truck, maybe he does something even worse
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
Agreed. Having said that, I think the optics of them having them and "saving" them for the Super Bowl is bad optics. Also that the ones they did have up werent installed correctly seems odd. Just bad optics all around. Barriers up or not that guy was gonna cause deaths. Imo
 
Very insightful Woz - thx for sharing.

Ripple costs from the egregious decision to invade Iraq. More Veterans in need of care, and more collateral damage. As a country we forgot the lessons of Vietnam and we’ll be paying for it in various ways for decades.
:rant:

My brother is way up the food chain at the V.A.which is HQ in D.C.
You're allowed your POV and opinion but that's all it is...I doubt you'd talk like this in front of a group of Vets, they'd put a stop to it quickly
Because I respect the house rules around here I won't go any further but you need to check yourself
You think you're protecting Vets but you actually do a lot of damage with these statements

You equate Iraq to Vietnam, you don't have to say any more, duly noted for you.
Please stop these politically charged posts (not saying its done with malice)
It's not fair since others are not allowed to rebuke your comments without breaking the house rules and getting into a political tug of war which is forbidden round here

-We at the Ministry love TGunz so please show a little respect
Thank You!
I don't understand this post at all. My post had nothing to do with politics, and I believe STRONGLY in taking care of our Vets. I'm anti-sending our troops to unnecessary wars, for lots of reasons, including what I was pointing out in the post you responded to - the "costs" are far more in the long run than generally assumed on the front end.
 
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I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
Yea I agree with this. I know that New Orleans has a history of less than good policing, and it is a very outdoor/walkable city, but you can't stop crazy. Instead of his truck, maybe he does something even worse
If this is designated pedestrian (no cars go) area, I can see liability if oops no bollards as prescribed.
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
Agreed. Having said that, I think the optics of them having them and "saving" them for the Super Bowl is bad optics. Also that the ones they did have up werent installed correctly seems odd. Just bad optics all around. Barriers up or not that guy was gonna cause deaths. Imo
I don't think it was an issue of being installed incorrectly. From what I've read, the main bollard devices were not there for some purported maintenance reason.

I walk past these type of devices frequently as my city aggressively puts them around Bank of America Stadium on gamedays. A truck is not getting past them. I also am unsure what type of maintenance they can really require.
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
If you harden one target, these folks will just go after some other soft spot. In theory, pedestrian areas should probably have barriers that keep cars out. Not sure if they should be able to prevent somebody who really wants to get through them at ramming speed. In other words, I think a person could make a plausible argument that cities have a duty to prevent traffic accidents in pedestrian areas, but I don't know that they can be expected to prevent rampage killings.
 
I don't want to derail but I'm not following the argument about NOLA liability due to the bollards. Do Cities all have a duty to anticipate something like this and set up an impenetrable barrier for all major outdoor gatherings? Its one thing to have a check point to stop lost / mistaken motorists but another to say the City has a duty to set up a blockade in anticipation of a murderous lunatic in a truck.
If you harden one target, these folks will just go after some other soft spot. In theory, pedestrian areas should probably have barriers that keep cars out. Not sure if they should be able to prevent somebody who really wants to get through them at ramming speed. In other words, I think a person could make a plausible argument that cities have a duty to prevent traffic accidents in pedestrian areas, but I don't know that they can be expected to prevent rampage killings.
I agree with this. And let's hope that rampage driving killings don't become so pervasive and regular that cities should in fact anticipate them as a regular occurrence.
 

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