Chaser1439
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Do you still see the Texans selecting Brady Quinn?
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Andy Dufresne
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Absolutely. Why else would you trade down two spots and give up two 2nd rounders unless it was to create a quarterback controversy?
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massraider
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Chaser1439
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They are out of the running for Quinn! I forgot that they traded down two spots. Levi Brown looks like the best option for them. Does mean that the Fins have a shot at Quinn?
Andy Dufresne
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I don't think Brown fits well at all into the zone blocking scheme.I think they'd be looking at a) Amobi Okoye/Alan Branchb) Leon Hall/Darrelle Revis/Chris Houstonc) Dwayne BoweTo answer, I'd say defense or Levi Brown.
As I said a month or so ago, there's plenty of obvious needs here however a top OLB next to Ryans(doesn't seem like that will happen) or a bookend DE to put opposite Mario could have a dramatic impact on the D+team.
The success of bookend DEs is pretty well documented, if drafting a DE means the Texans will put pressure on the QB every game for the next so many years......that'd be real tempting for me if I were GM. A strong pass rush can also mask alot of pass D probs pretty well too.
IIRC They have Travis Johnson who they liked alot but has been hurt alot and they just signed Zgonina(sp?) so they could have a very solid DL in 07. That would afford Ryans a cushion of sorts and help him improve his game.
The right DE in Houston could be huge IMO
The success of bookend DEs is pretty well documented, if drafting a DE means the Texans will put pressure on the QB every game for the next so many years......that'd be real tempting for me if I were GM. A strong pass rush can also mask alot of pass D probs pretty well too.
IIRC They have Travis Johnson who they liked alot but has been hurt alot and they just signed Zgonina(sp?) so they could have a very solid DL in 07. That would afford Ryans a cushion of sorts and help him improve his game.
The right DE in Houston could be huge IMO
Jayded
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Defense, defense, defense. It really sounds like it'll be a safety too. I expect them to grab Landry if he's there or trade down and get some picks (if someone wants to move up for someone falling down the board) and grab Florida's Nelson a few picks down when they slide.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yippie kay yay, mother####er!
redman
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That makes no sense to me given that they have Johnson already there. Any chance they surprise and take TE Olsen?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They don't have a legit #2 and Owen Daniels is their TE. Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or even Ted Ginn would be a good #2 for Johnson.
Jayded
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But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.They don't have a legit #2 and Owen Daniels is their TE. Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or even Ted Ginn would be a good #2 for Johnson.
Andy Dufresne
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Certainly #10 is a bit high for those guys, but there's no doubt they need a legit #2 WR, and sometimes you have to take a player that definitely fits a need (See: Buffalo taking Whitner) rather than waiting a full round or two to take a lesser player simply because he represents the more "correct" value.(OTOH, I don't think Ginn is the best fit either.)But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.
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kellumsboys
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they can wait til the 2nd round to get that WR.
1st rounder needs to be D.
1st rounder needs to be D.
The Texans cannot...CANNOT...miss on that pick, which is why I think the draft room will mess itself if Landry is on the board or opt for the remaining top DL left. That team is another impact DB, first, or DE, second, away from having a decent defense. There are worse situations than having Ryans and Landry in the middle of the field. Plus, Landry is NFL ready. He plays and pays an immediate ROI. The WR pick is dicey and history shows might just as likely bust as boom. Considering the team's draft history; last year's overall pick debacle and the recent trade with the Falcons, that team needs to hit with this pick and have somone that plays 16 games...down in and out...at a reasonable level...starting this September and lives out their first contract. There is far too much risk associated with taking one of those WR.But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.
I agree that, if the team opts to address WR, they drop down. Mitigate potential long-term risk by picking up another pick. The actual player value presented by those WR is not greater than that of some of the defensive talent left on the table if/when the Texans pick. No team can afford to pass up talent for need...not in the Top 10 picks... and that goes x100 for the Texans. That franchise is one more fat fingered draft, trade or season away from losing fan base.
cstu
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cstu
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The Texans taking a WR at #10 is ridiculous. Not only is a #2 WR not that important (certainly not for the #10 pick), this is a very deep for WR and there will be someone capable of the #2 role available in the 3rd round. There's no way the Texans don't draft defense with the #10 pick.The Texans cannot...CANNOT...miss on that pick, which is why I think the draft room will mess itself if Landry is on the board or opt for the remaining top DL left. That team is another impact DB, first, or DE, second, away from having a decent defense. There are worse situations than having Ryans and Landry in the middle of the field. Plus, Landry is NFL ready. He plays and pays an immediate ROI. The WR pick is dicey and history shows might just as likely bust as boom. Considering the team's draft history; last year's overall pick debacle and the recent trade with the Falcons, that team needs to hit with this pick and have somone that plays 16 games...down in and out...at a reasonable level...starting this September and lives out their first contract. There is far too much risk associated with taking one of those WR.But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.They don't have a legit #2 and Owen Daniels is their TE. Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or even Ted Ginn would be a good #2 for Johnson.
I agree that, if the team opts to address WR, they drop down. Mitigate potential long-term risk by picking up another pick. The actual player value presented by those WR is not greater than that of some of the defensive talent left on the table if/when the Texans pick. No team can afford to pass up talent for need...not in the Top 10 picks... and that goes x100 for the Texans. That franchise is one more fat fingered draft, trade or season away from losing fan base.
Domination
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I think that Anderson would be a good fit, on the other side of Mario. If by chance Branch were to fall, that would also be a huge help to that line.
Andy Dufresne
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I was not advocating that they take a WR with the first pick.
I was only saying I could see it happening.
I'm assuming Landry goes to the Falcons. But that's not the slam dunk many think. There's talk that they may move Jimmy Williams to safety and take a corner. I don't think the Vikings will take Landry either. They re-signed Tank Williams, and between Sharper, Greg Blue, and Smith, their safeties are serviceable.
That would leave Landry on the board.
I was only saying I could see it happening.
I'm assuming Landry goes to the Falcons. But that's not the slam dunk many think. There's talk that they may move Jimmy Williams to safety and take a corner. I don't think the Vikings will take Landry either. They re-signed Tank Williams, and between Sharper, Greg Blue, and Smith, their safeties are serviceable.
That would leave Landry on the board.
Houston turmOiler
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Landry would be phenomenal at 10 if he's there. Big time upgrade after watching years of Matt Stevens, Marcus Coleman, and CC Brown (among others) play safety. In another thread I laid out an argument for going WR, but that's only if we can trade down and get an extra pick or two. A CB or S like Nelson could be there as well if we trade down. The DTs (Branch/Okoye) don't excite me at 10, and I'm assuming the DE's (Adams/Anderson) are gone. Landry is our best hope in this spot, but it's very possible he could be gone (especially if ATL doesn't move up for CJ and can't get one of the DE's).
What kind of trade scenarios do you guys see (as far as trading down)? Could Green Bay be interested in moving into that spot to grab Lynch before Buffalo at 12? Do the Rams have a interest in one of the DTs there? Maybe another team with multiple picks (the Patriots always have extra picks and have been very aggressive this offseason). From the Texans' perspective, trading down once (or even twice) can still net us a pretty nice DB or WR and help get some picks back. Makes a lot of sense. The problem is finding a partner...
What kind of trade scenarios do you guys see (as far as trading down)? Could Green Bay be interested in moving into that spot to grab Lynch before Buffalo at 12? Do the Rams have a interest in one of the DTs there? Maybe another team with multiple picks (the Patriots always have extra picks and have been very aggressive this offseason). From the Texans' perspective, trading down once (or even twice) can still net us a pretty nice DB or WR and help get some picks back. Makes a lot of sense. The problem is finding a partner...
wannabee
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I agree with you on the WR vs Defense. But, with no 2nd rounder, the Texans may "reach" for WR since they cannot take advantage of a deep WR draft as much as they could with a 2nd rounder.The Texans taking a WR at #10 is ridiculous. Not only is a #2 WR not that important (certainly not for the #10 pick), this is a very deep for WR and there will be someone capable of the #2 role available in the 3rd round. There's no way the Texans don't draft defense with the #10 pick.The Texans cannot...CANNOT...miss on that pick, which is why I think the draft room will mess itself if Landry is on the board or opt for the remaining top DL left. That team is another impact DB, first, or DE, second, away from having a decent defense. There are worse situations than having Ryans and Landry in the middle of the field. Plus, Landry is NFL ready. He plays and pays an immediate ROI. The WR pick is dicey and history shows might just as likely bust as boom. Considering the team's draft history; last year's overall pick debacle and the recent trade with the Falcons, that team needs to hit with this pick and have somone that plays 16 games...down in and out...at a reasonable level...starting this September and lives out their first contract. There is far too much risk associated with taking one of those WR.But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.They don't have a legit #2 and Owen Daniels is their TE. Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or even Ted Ginn would be a good #2 for Johnson.
I agree that, if the team opts to address WR, they drop down. Mitigate potential long-term risk by picking up another pick. The actual player value presented by those WR is not greater than that of some of the defensive talent left on the table if/when the Texans pick. No team can afford to pass up talent for need...not in the Top 10 picks... and that goes x100 for the Texans. That franchise is one more fat fingered draft, trade or season away from losing fan base.
cstu
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Of course you never know if they get hot for somebody (my guess would be Ginn because of his returns), but the WR's go about 10-15 deep so there will be someone there with the 73rd pick.wannabee said:I agree with you on the WR vs Defense. But, with no 2nd rounder, the Texans may "reach" for WR since they cannot take advantage of a deep WR draft as much as they could with a 2nd rounder.cstu said:The Texans taking a WR at #10 is ridiculous. Not only is a #2 WR not that important (certainly not for the #10 pick), this is a very deep for WR and there will be someone capable of the #2 role available in the 3rd round. There's no way the Texans don't draft defense with the #10 pick.WhoDat said:The Texans cannot...CANNOT...miss on that pick, which is why I think the draft room will mess itself if Landry is on the board or opt for the remaining top DL left. That team is another impact DB, first, or DE, second, away from having a decent defense. There are worse situations than having Ryans and Landry in the middle of the field. Plus, Landry is NFL ready. He plays and pays an immediate ROI. The WR pick is dicey and history shows might just as likely bust as boom. Considering the team's draft history; last year's overall pick debacle and the recent trade with the Falcons, that team needs to hit with this pick and have somone that plays 16 games...down in and out...at a reasonable level...starting this September and lives out their first contract. There is far too much risk associated with taking one of those WR.Jayded said:But Ginn's biggest upside is his return ability and they're expecting to get Mathis back at full strength. At least they're hoping for that.If they want Ginn or Meachem they're definitely trading down...if they're smart.Andy Dufresne said:redman said:They don't have a legit #2 and Owen Daniels is their TE. Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or even Ted Ginn would be a good #2 for Johnson.
I agree that, if the team opts to address WR, they drop down. Mitigate potential long-term risk by picking up another pick. The actual player value presented by those WR is not greater than that of some of the defensive talent left on the table if/when the Texans pick. No team can afford to pass up talent for need...not in the Top 10 picks... and that goes x100 for the Texans. That franchise is one more fat fingered draft, trade or season away from losing fan base.
T Man
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I agree. Brown is not a good fit in a zone blocking scheme. Plus, I don't think he'll be on the board at 10. That would mean both ATL and MIA pass on him. NOT gonna happen.I would add Peterson to the list of potential picks. I would not be surprised to see him fall.I don't think Brown fits well at all into the zone blocking scheme.I think they'd be looking at a) Amobi Okoye/Alan Branchb) Leon Hall/Darrelle Revis/Chris Houstonc) Dwayne BoweTo answer, I'd say defense or Levi Brown.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Levi seems to be a good fit for either team.I don't know what the Texans are going to do at the LT spot. Ryan Harris in the 3rd?
Edit: I forgot they signed Jordan Black. Regardless, I still don't know what the Texans are going to do at the LT spot.
I wouldn't either. But if they don't trade up for CJ, I have to think Atlanta would take him in a heartbeat.
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T Man
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If the Texans plan is to draft a WR in round 1, they will trade down - and more then one or two spots. For a WR, the trade down would have to be between 16-20 and the target would likely be Bowe or Meacham. However, like earlier posters, I think that this draft is WR heavy and a later pick can be used.
I suspect several teams will offer a package to move up for one of the remaining players on the Board I would also think that the Texans want to recoup some picks (maybe not a high 2, but some picks). I think its likely that three or more of the following will still be on the Board: Landry, Peterson, Branch, Adams, Willis, Okoye, Hall.
With that said, I could see a trade down of a few spots with another team depending on who is left. For example, the Rams may want to move up for a DL. The Bills or Packers might want to move up for Peterson. The Texans could then trade down a few spots and still get one of the targeted players.
If they stay, and don't want to risk it (or are infatuated with one particular player) I think any one of the above mentioned players would be a great help to the Texans. However, I think Peterson would be the pick.
I suspect several teams will offer a package to move up for one of the remaining players on the Board I would also think that the Texans want to recoup some picks (maybe not a high 2, but some picks). I think its likely that three or more of the following will still be on the Board: Landry, Peterson, Branch, Adams, Willis, Okoye, Hall.
With that said, I could see a trade down of a few spots with another team depending on who is left. For example, the Rams may want to move up for a DL. The Bills or Packers might want to move up for Peterson. The Texans could then trade down a few spots and still get one of the targeted players.
If they stay, and don't want to risk it (or are infatuated with one particular player) I think any one of the above mentioned players would be a great help to the Texans. However, I think Peterson would be the pick.
BigRed
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And we all know local sports guys are the most reliable source of such info. Not like they care about people pay attention to them or anything.Rarely if ever does it makes sense to use a 1.10 pick for a WR2. OL remains - again - a huge need but Jones at 1.10 is iffy also, so I'd say best D player avail makes most most sense.Buckna said:
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