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The 100 Greatest movies of the 1970s. 1. The Godfather (1 Viewer)
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Eephus
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Malle's films explored taboo subjects but as far as I know, he wasn't a sexual predator in real life. He was married to Candice Bergen for many years ending with his death.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Have you seen Pretty Baby? It's exploitation right on the screen. Listenig to Brooke Shields talk about it is nauseating.
Eephus
Footballguy
It's a fictional story about the daughter of a prostitute in early 20th century New Orleans. I don't see a big difference between it and the last two films in Tim's countdown which dealt with incest and obsession with a child prostitute.
In the interviews I've seen with Shields as an adult, she's said she never felt exploited or unsafe during filming of Pretty Baby unlike some movies she made later in her career.
Brunell4MVP
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jodie foster played some memorable roles between taxi driver, the accused, and silence of the lambs.
timschochet
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The only American film by Malle, if I remember correctly, is Atlantic City. It’s a great movie.
Eephus
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He worked almost exclusively in the US from the mid-70s until his death in 1995
El Floppo
Footballguy
But beside that....
Atlantic City really is a great film.
... Eta... Don't think I ever knew he did My Dinner with Andre!
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
You need to watch the right interviews. Last year, she was the subject of a documentary called Pretty Baby: Brooke Shields. Most, if not all of the earleir interviews were colored by wanting to please her mother and by having very little insight into what happened to her. It's not the just subject that makes the movie gross: it's more about how she was treated during filming.
Mrs. Rannous
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Pretty Baby was made here and distributed by Paramount.
Atlantic City is a French and Canadian production.
Eephus
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I haven't watched the documentary but she did an interview with the New Yorker last year as part of her press tour for it. She was generally complimentary of the film and her time working with Malle. She said it was the most beautiful film she ever made and described its theme as being about "an innocent, and how that innocence gets taken—and her choice to not be a victim." She acknowledged in retrospect that parts of the shoot were uncomfortable but in the end, it was a brilliant work of art in part because he purposely allowed his audience to feel conflicted.
While studying at Princeton a decade later, Shields wrote her senior thesis about Malle and his films. She conducted a long interview with the director at that time which suggests that their relationship was on good terms and she wasn't mistreated during filming.
Sorry for derailing Tim's countdown for my defense of a long-dead director whose 70's work didn't even make the cut. Unfortunately, a lot of film directors are creeps and misogynists but Louis Malle is not among them.
timschochet
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16. Manhattan (1979)
Directed by: Woody Allen
Starring: Woody Allen, Diane Keaton, Mariel Hemingway, Meryl Streep
Synopsis: An olderwriter feels guilty about his relationship with a teenager.
Chapter One- He was as tough and romantic as the city he loved- Woody Allen as Isaac.
This movie disturbs a lot of people because of its theme and the subsequent history of the star and director, and that includes me. I don’t think I will ever watch it again for that reason.
Nonetheless, like Lolita , this film is a work of art. The opposite of Taxi Driver it presents New York City in glowing, beautiful terms (due to the brilliant cinematography by Gordon Willis and the use of George Gershwin’s incredible music.) This is a masterpiece of filmmaking.
Directed by: Woody Allen
Starring: Woody Allen, Diane Keaton, Mariel Hemingway, Meryl Streep
Synopsis: An olderwriter feels guilty about his relationship with a teenager.
Chapter One- He was as tough and romantic as the city he loved- Woody Allen as Isaac.
This movie disturbs a lot of people because of its theme and the subsequent history of the star and director, and that includes me. I don’t think I will ever watch it again for that reason.
Nonetheless, like Lolita , this film is a work of art. The opposite of Taxi Driver it presents New York City in glowing, beautiful terms (due to the brilliant cinematography by Gordon Willis and the use of George Gershwin’s incredible music.) This is a masterpiece of filmmaking.
BobbyLayne
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Reminds me of the Lies people tell about Hitler thread
Dr. Octopus
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I saw this movie not too long ago and couldn’t figure out how everyone in the movie seemed like it was ok for a 40 year old Woody dating a high school girl.
It took me out of the movie and I do like Allen as an artist.
Eephus
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Forget it Jake, it was the 70s
rockaction
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The early sexuality of females compared to males is why most fathers had their daughters on lockdown up until the ‘60s. So it’s only natural without arranged dating and parental consent to dating that predators walk in after father and mother cease to know best. Before that arrangement, arranged marriages and dowries were a thing. In fact, I’d posit that it is an expected trade-off that absent the kind of authority required to keep feminine sexuality away from the oldsters that the oldsters were naturally expected to step into that realm. That is probably why the issue seemed so normal in the seventies.
It’s a weird issue as old as coupling itself. It even has cutesy little names for it in our own culture, never mind patriarchal or theocratic societies where near-child brides are the norm. We call it May-December, sixteen going on sixty, etc., etc.
I feel like I’m in the third rail of politics here, but I’m dumbfounded at the constant modern outrage over the ever-familiar. I mean people got upset over Licorice Pizza and that relationship (haven’t seen it). There’s a weird Puritanism since about 2012-3 that I’ve noticed in America. I don’t really have too strong an opinion about said Puritanical impulses nor do I have strong opinions about May-December stuff other than to groan like I always have, but it’s a marked change from even what I grew up with. I’m just surprised everybody forgets so quickly.
It’s a weird issue as old as coupling itself. It even has cutesy little names for it in our own culture, never mind patriarchal or theocratic societies where near-child brides are the norm. We call it May-December, sixteen going on sixty, etc., etc.
I feel like I’m in the third rail of politics here, but I’m dumbfounded at the constant modern outrage over the ever-familiar. I mean people got upset over Licorice Pizza and that relationship (haven’t seen it). There’s a weird Puritanism since about 2012-3 that I’ve noticed in America. I don’t really have too strong an opinion about said Puritanical impulses nor do I have strong opinions about May-December stuff other than to groan like I always have, but it’s a marked change from even what I grew up with. I’m just surprised everybody forgets so quickly.
Dr. Octopus
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your way off base here if your referring to my post. I mean I don't think it's prudish to question a relationship between a man in his mid 40s and a 16 year old girl and wonder why it's not even addressed as "off" - I mean it's literally a crime if the relationship is sexual in nature.
Gr00vus
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Yeah, it was creepy then, it's creepy now, it's pretty much always been creepy.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I have that problem with the Twilight franchise. Why is a 105-year-old vampire in high school, and why does he give a crap about a seventeen-year-old girl? Ick.
massraider
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Shoot, i am willing to write off the Lolita thing and just evaluate the movie.
Still sucks. Some nice black and white shots of New York, big whoop.
Someone asked why no one in the movie called him out on the teen thing. The reason is because everyone in the movie was a terrible self centered neurotic awful human being, they didn't have time to worry about their statutory rapist buddy, they all have funny anecdotes about their therapist they want to tell you over dinner.
He made a bunch of these type of movies, him walking around NYC delivering some neurotic joke the exact same way in all of them. None of them hold up. These movies were a delivery service for his stand-up.
He has made a bunch MORE that are really good, but the whiny ones starring him are awful. Some funny lines, he knows how to make a movie, yeah. But if one was to evaluate all his movies objectively, no freaking way would Annie Hall or Manhattan be near the top
Still sucks. Some nice black and white shots of New York, big whoop.
Someone asked why no one in the movie called him out on the teen thing. The reason is because everyone in the movie was a terrible self centered neurotic awful human being, they didn't have time to worry about their statutory rapist buddy, they all have funny anecdotes about their therapist they want to tell you over dinner.
He made a bunch of these type of movies, him walking around NYC delivering some neurotic joke the exact same way in all of them. None of them hold up. These movies were a delivery service for his stand-up.
He has made a bunch MORE that are really good, but the whiny ones starring him are awful. Some funny lines, he knows how to make a movie, yeah. But if one was to evaluate all his movies objectively, no freaking way would Annie Hall or Manhattan be near the top
Eephus
Footballguy
I'm a year older than Mariel Hemingway so I saw Manhattan in the theater when it came out. The couple's age disparity didn't bother me enough at the time to stop me from sitting through a second screening because that used to be a thing. I think if you look at contemporary reviews of the movie, viewers may have mentioned the age difference but not with the sense of disgust it elicits today.
Some of that is no doubt due to the director's personal life but I agree with RA that society has become more puritanical in the past half century. The 70s were the peak of the sexual revolution and a lot of art from that period reflects those attitudes. The 80s brought AIDS and Reagan so the pendulum began its swing back. There are exceptions; same sex relationships have become more widely accepted in popular culture but on the whole I'd argue 70s movies are more explicit than most films today. I think some of that is stricter policing of MPAA ratings because I used to get into R rated movies in the 70s and I looked young for my age.
Mrs. Rannous
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Laugh emoji.
I can't figure out how it's better than Young Frankenstein. Even the black and white cinematography is at least as good.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I find that if Woody himself stars in a drama, he usually degrades it because he plays the exact same annoying character in virtually everything. At least that same character worked better in some of the early comedies. Bullets Over Broadway is an example of a film that was much better with him only in the Director's chair.
LionOfGosforth
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What a decade for cinema in the US man. Incredible, some of my very favorite films of all time in here.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I prefer the fictionalized versions of Woody Allen, particularly Sol Rosenberg/Mort Goldman.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Hope Badlands makes the list
Eephus
Footballguy
No Malick so far
El Floppo
Footballguy
Still room in the top 10
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
I personally would have Days of Heaven in there too, maybe in the 60s or so.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I was holding out hope for both in the top 15.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I prefer DoH, tbh. I could watch that even with the sound off and be totally mesmerized.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not necessarily a crime. Age of consents vary.
It isn’t prudish and I never said that. I said that the concept of agency is much different now.
Stat rape laws are a Progressive Era invention. They didn’t exist before because society was much different about things like men/teenagers.
If people don’t know that then they don’t know their history and no amount of chastising the messenger and talking about how it is a modern-day crime is going to change that. Stat rape laws came about the same time Prohibition did and they come from the same reformist impulse to stop men from going after young girls without consequences. They were passed mainly at the behest of religionists and progressive feminist women who hated that anybody anywhere was partaking in vice. That’s how the era went. They generally raised the age of consent from 10 (!) to 14-18, depending. But there is no doubt when and where they began.
I don’t even like Woody nor really like nor even ever can remember pulling for one of these relationships (they’re often ugly), but when people get all in a huff about his fictional relationships, their history is often inaccurate. It’s a part of our lesser selves that we need these laws, but they exist for a reason, they come from puritanical elements similar to the temperance movements, and they’re relatively new and actually quite broad in scope compared to the rest of history.
rockaction
Footballguy
And thus ends my defense that I can’t believe I’m making not especially since I’m on my phone. And I don’t know how Tim does that.
But who wants to be defending this? Nobody. I don’t even want to be seen as defending Woody Allen. What a schlep.
And Manahattan >>>>> Star Wars was my exact first thought upon seeing all this. Not sixteen year-olds dating.
But who wants to be defending this? Nobody. I don’t even want to be seen as defending Woody Allen. What a schlep.
And Manahattan >>>>> Star Wars was my exact first thought upon seeing all this. Not sixteen year-olds dating.
timschochet
Footballguy
15. Carrie (1976)
Directed by: Brian DiPalma
Starring: Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie, Betty Buckley, Nancy Allen, William Katt, John Travolta
Synopsis: A teenage girl with telekinetic powers gets revenge on those who bullied her.
Theyre all going to laugh at you! -Piper Laurie as Margaret White
I think this is a slightly better horror film than Aliens because I care more about the characters. A lot of that has to do with the great acting- everyone is terrific, especially Piper Laurie, one of the greatest over the top performances in cinematic history. The movie is really scary and yet it’s also a black comedy. DiPalma’s direction, particularly his use of slow motion and music in certain scenes, is superb. This was Stephen King’s first novel and it still might be the best film version of one of his works (with all respect and love for Shawshank and Stand By Me.)
Directed by: Brian DiPalma
Starring: Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie, Betty Buckley, Nancy Allen, William Katt, John Travolta
Synopsis: A teenage girl with telekinetic powers gets revenge on those who bullied her.
Theyre all going to laugh at you! -Piper Laurie as Margaret White
I think this is a slightly better horror film than Aliens because I care more about the characters. A lot of that has to do with the great acting- everyone is terrific, especially Piper Laurie, one of the greatest over the top performances in cinematic history. The movie is really scary and yet it’s also a black comedy. DiPalma’s direction, particularly his use of slow motion and music in certain scenes, is superb. This was Stephen King’s first novel and it still might be the best film version of one of his works (with all respect and love for Shawshank and Stand By Me.)
Eephus
Footballguy
First appearance by BDP in almost two months (The Fury #88)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I felt uncomfortable- which is all I really said. Understand your point and agree. I watched it maybe three years ago.
rockaction
Footballguy
I should have clarified I wasn’t referring to your sentiment. Sorry, Doc. Or perhaps I’m fighting straw men? I don’t even know that I’m responding to anybody here, really.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Never been a fan of this film, found it nasty and depressing. Could never quite tell if the bizarre treatment of Carrie White and constant reference to her being ugly was meant to be ironic, given how pretty and sweet Sissy Spacek actually was while the creeps who hound her are scummy trash. I mean, even the revenge is unsatisfying given the way it all ends. Anyway, hugely unenjoyable and totally overrated film imo. Which isn't to say that it isn't technically impressive, or that the performances are bad, just always disliked it.
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Pip's Invitation
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Fun fact: Carrie and Star Wars used the same casting pool. We could have had Carrie Fisher as Carrie and Sissy Spacek as Princess Leia.
Eephus
Footballguy
Amy Irving could have married George Lucas
zamboni
Footballguy
But it has The Greatest American Hero in it.
Eephus
Footballguy
...and Riff Randell
timschochet
Footballguy
14. All The President’s Men (1976)
Directed by: Alan J. Pakula
Starring: Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford, Jason Robards
Synopsis: Reporters Woodward and Bernstein investigate the Watergate scandal.
You haven’t got it- Jason Robards as Ben Bradlee
1976 was an amazing year for writer William Goldman, writing this film and Marathon Man. This movie is a deeply compelling thriller, with tremendous acting and plot. Of course it was a different time, when the public actually gave a crap about a President who violated the Constitution- I could say a lot more this morning but I won’t because I prefer not to be suspended .
Directed by: Alan J. Pakula
Starring: Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford, Jason Robards
Synopsis: Reporters Woodward and Bernstein investigate the Watergate scandal.
You haven’t got it- Jason Robards as Ben Bradlee
1976 was an amazing year for writer William Goldman, writing this film and Marathon Man. This movie is a deeply compelling thriller, with tremendous acting and plot. Of course it was a different time, when the public actually gave a crap about a President who violated the Constitution- I could say a lot more this morning but I won’t because I prefer not to be suspended .
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