General Malaise
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Hint: does not rhyme with Trudy, Judy or 'the dumbest movie Absolutely'.
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The 100 Greatest movies of the 1990s #38. Tombstone (41 Viewers)
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I know what I'm watching tonight!
Hint: does not rhyme with Trudy, Judy or 'the dumbest movie Absolutely'.
timschochet
Footballguy
42. What’s Love Got To Do With It (1993)
Directed by: Brian Gibson
Starring: Angela Bassett, Laurence Fishburne
Synopsis: Pop icon Tina Turner survives a life of abuse and finds redemption.
It took me a long time to get Ike out of my system. Amd now that I’ve done that, I’m ready. I’m ready and I know what I want. -Angela Bassett as Tina Turner
Though it’s a great story (and incredibly sad at times) what puts this movie relatively high on this list is the incredible performance of the two lead actors. Both of them offer Oscar worthy performances in my opinion; neither of them have ever been better in their long careers. Fishburne in particular plays one of the greatest villains ever on screen as Ike Turner; charming, brilliant, dominating, brutal. The rape scene is a very difficult watch. On the other hand the first performance of “A Fool in Love” has got to be one of the most electrifying “live rock” scenes I’ve ever watched on film.
Directed by: Brian Gibson
Starring: Angela Bassett, Laurence Fishburne
Synopsis: Pop icon Tina Turner survives a life of abuse and finds redemption.
It took me a long time to get Ike out of my system. Amd now that I’ve done that, I’m ready. I’m ready and I know what I want. -Angela Bassett as Tina Turner
Though it’s a great story (and incredibly sad at times) what puts this movie relatively high on this list is the incredible performance of the two lead actors. Both of them offer Oscar worthy performances in my opinion; neither of them have ever been better in their long careers. Fishburne in particular plays one of the greatest villains ever on screen as Ike Turner; charming, brilliant, dominating, brutal. The rape scene is a very difficult watch. On the other hand the first performance of “A Fool in Love” has got to be one of the most electrifying “live rock” scenes I’ve ever watched on film.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I watched the documentary Tina a few years ago and thought it was excellent. Never seen the movie, but don't feel like I need to after watching the doc. It's really tough to watch in parts. :(
B Maverick
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
for a second I thought the quotes were about Michael Oliver.
timschochet
Footballguy
41. Beauty And The Beast (1991)
Directed by: Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise
Featuring the voices of: Paige O’Hara, Robby Benson, Jerry Orbach, Angela Lansbury
Synopsis: To save her father, Belle becomes the Beast’s prisoner.
Let us pull up a chair as the dining room proudly presents…your dinner. - Jerry Orbach as Lumiere.
This film is widely regarded as the best of the “Disney Renaissance” films, perhaps the greatest Disney studios animated film ever. I disagree but only slightly: I rank The Little Mermaid from 1989 higher and Pinocchio as the greatest of all time, but that’s really quibbling since BOTB is for me top 3 directly behind the other two I just mentioned. It’s a fabulous film with great characters and terrific songs, particularly the absolute show stoppers “Belle” and “Be Our Guest” which are both worthy of the best of Broadway musicals. If there are any weaknesses at all (and again it’s only quibbling) I don’t feel like Gaston is menacing enough as a villain. He’s more a clown to be laughed at than he is truly scary as the best Disney villains are.
Directed by: Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise
Featuring the voices of: Paige O’Hara, Robby Benson, Jerry Orbach, Angela Lansbury
Synopsis: To save her father, Belle becomes the Beast’s prisoner.
Let us pull up a chair as the dining room proudly presents…your dinner. - Jerry Orbach as Lumiere.
This film is widely regarded as the best of the “Disney Renaissance” films, perhaps the greatest Disney studios animated film ever. I disagree but only slightly: I rank The Little Mermaid from 1989 higher and Pinocchio as the greatest of all time, but that’s really quibbling since BOTB is for me top 3 directly behind the other two I just mentioned. It’s a fabulous film with great characters and terrific songs, particularly the absolute show stoppers “Belle” and “Be Our Guest” which are both worthy of the best of Broadway musicals. If there are any weaknesses at all (and again it’s only quibbling) I don’t feel like Gaston is menacing enough as a villain. He’s more a clown to be laughed at than he is truly scary as the best Disney villains are.
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- Henry Hill: You're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.
- Tommy DeVito: What do you mean I'm funny?
- Henry Hill: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
- [laughs]
- Tommy DeVito: What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
- Henry Hill: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, you know the way you tell the story and everything.
- Tommy DeVito: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
- Anthony Stabile: Tommy, you got it all wrong.
- Tommy DeVito: Oh, oh, Anthony. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did you say? Funny how?
- Henry Hill: Jus...
- Tommy DeVito: What?
- Henry Hill: Just... you know... you're funny.
- Tommy DeVito: You mean, let me understand this cause, you know maybe it's me, it's a little ****ed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to ****ing amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
- Henry Hill: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
- Tommy DeVito: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the **** am I funny, what the **** is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
- Henry Hill: [long pause] Get the **** out of here, Tommy!
- Tommy DeVito: [everyone laughs] You mother****er! I almost had him. I almost had him. You stuttering prick you. Frankie, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Henry. You may fold under questioning.
timschochet
Footballguy
So here IMO is a ranking of the best of the Walt Disney Studios Animated films:
- Pinoccho
- The Little Mermaid
- Beauty And the Beast
- Lady And The Tramp
- Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
- 101 Dalmatians
- The Lion King
- Bambi
- Fantasia
- The Jungle Book
- Cinderella
- Aladdin
- Mulan
- Sleeping Beauty
- Frozen
- Pocahontas
- The Princess and the Frog
- The Great Mouse Detective
- Lilo and Stitch
- Tarzan
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
BATB is awesome. The sweeping camera movements in the ballroom scene were among the first CGI used in combination with hand drawn animation - and it was astonishing.
I have a laserdisc of the "Work In Progress" version hanging up in my basement.
I have a laserdisc of the "Work In Progress" version hanging up in my basement.
timschochet
Footballguy
No question Tommy DeVito would have made a better villain than Gaston. Of course the movie would have been over in the first 30 minutes as Tommy would have shot the Beast in the head.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Huh
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Those are Pixar films
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh, I see. Gotcha.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
no one but me likes The Rescuers
B Maverick
Footballguy
WRONG THREAD
B Maverick
Footballguy
Auto DQ without Robin Hood or The Black Cauldron
And the Rescuers
Or the Aristocats.
Wow Disney has put out a lot of animated movies.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
The Fox and the Hound was devastating as a kid
timschochet
Footballguy
I liked it, just didn’t make the top 20.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Meh, I liked it, but definitely not top 50 and maybe not top 100
Trip's Official Ruling: Overranked
TripItUp
Footballguy
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I generally agree with your takes and I think our tastes are similarish but I think you are wrong here
TripItUp
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Ya'll watched a metric crap tonne of G-rated movies more than I did in the 90s. I should have had kids in my 20s.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They're 90 minutes long. You could have watched them in the time it takes to get the keg set up
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Andy was not an Alpha Beta.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
off hand? maybe 50's or 60's? i dunno, haven't done my 90's list but I will and I'll get back to you. I had it at #24 in my fantasy countdown though. I just think it's a pretty good movie and I liked it better than the OG from the 20's. I mostly think it does deserve to be on the "best of the 90's" list and was a knee jerk reaction to your post but maybe you don't think its so bad that it doesn't deserve and just shouldn't be in the 40's.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Neither was I Lambda Lambda Lambda.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You don't have a limp wristed javelin delivery?
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Wait... DUMBO didn't make your top Disney movies, but crappy Pinocchio did? That's nvts.
General Malaise
Footballguy
How did you guys afford kegs with all the Disney posters you bought for your bedrooms?
General Malaise
Footballguy
This whole countdown is getting dumbo.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Robin Hood and Sword in the Stone are fantastic.
UncleZen
Footballguy
And has a bad reputation.Karma does love rock and roll.
Yeah, we aren't getting together for movie night any time soon.
You have a black heart...I get it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I only bought 11x17 posters instead of the full 26x40.
timschochet
Footballguy
First of all Dumbo is awful. The black crows scene alone (“I ain’t NEVER seen an elephant fly!”) is cringeworthy racism, only rivaled by Song of the South, which is so bad they don’t even show it anymore. Dumbo also gets drunk in the movie and has hallucinations. The whole thing is really silly. And it’s a boring film.
Pinocchio on the other hand is classic filmmaking. It might have to be considered in the top ten of American films ever produced.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Sword in the Stone was my favorite as a kid. I watched the heck out of that one.
This scene is the first time I remember laughing so hard I was crying. Of course, I was like 7 yrs old, but it is still funny today.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I guess this means Birth of a Nation won't make your 1910's countdown
timschochet
Footballguy
It would, it’s a brilliant film for its innovation and epic filmmaking. DW Griffith was certainly an extreme white supremacist but he was a genius no doubt. Walt Disney was a genius too but none of that genius shows up in Dumbo.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The existence of "Baby Mine" alone puts it somewhere above "awful".
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
It's the top Disney song.
zamboni
Footballguy
As an aside, the New Yorker in me always thinks of this magnificent image in Brooklyn when I hear Dumbo (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass).
Unfortunately the film notable for depicting this image (Once Upon a Time in America) did not appear on Tim's 1980s list, but I digress.
Zow
Footballguy
Lots of people go to school for seven years. They’re called doctors.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Okay let's see. Moron is here. Ha haLots of people go to school for seven years. They’re called doctors.
Zow
Footballguy
If I wanted a kiss, I would have called your mother.Okay let's see. Moron is here. Ha haLots of people go to school for seven years. They’re called doctors.
Zow
Footballguy
See, I have the entirely opposite take and despite the historical inaccuracies* I think the message here is a great one that sometimes a person's journey to mediocrity** can be inspiring in of itself and there is no massive payoff needed. As such, I think if Rudy happened to be forced into some true game situation and make a play (say, for example, the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart get hurt in subsequent plays or some such, and he came in and forced a fumble in a big spot), it would have cheapened the movie as it wasn't about winning a game it was about working hard to achieve a goal. Further, the movie does a nice job of weaving in the motif about a kid finally proving himself to his father and older brothers as I'd argue the climax of the movie is Rudy running out of the tunnel to his father's sheer delight after decades of toiling away in a blue collar factory with no real prospect for an improved life. The point is, in context what Rudy did, while not objectively noteworthy, in context was pretty incredible considering at any point Rudy could have simply packed it up, went back home and worked in the plant for the next few decades, and nobody would have batted an eye but Rudy would have never been happy.
To me, Fortune sums up the movie the best when he says: "You're 5 foot nothin', 100 and nothin', and you have barely a speck of athletic ability. And you hung in there with the best college football players in the land for 2 years. And you're gonna walk outta here with a degree from the University of Notre Dame. In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen. Now go on back."
In short, the hard work and dedication of some kid with no natural talent to get to play football at a level only the top fraction of a percent get to is pretty damn awe inspiring to me (as I was also a kid who loved sports but wasn't genetically athletically gifted or talented). So, the movie is uniquely inspirational with his drive to mediocrity.
*Yeah... the more I learn about the historical inaccuracies the more it does lessen the movie. They did poor Dan Devine dirty and I have a lot of sympathy for him and his family as all he did was give a kid a chance and he was rewarded by being turned into a Disney villain. And the real life Rudy is pretty much a self-absorbed self-promoter by all accounts.
**And if you disagree that watching somebody journey their way to mediocrity with effort and hard work isn't inspiring, well then talk to your wife because that's how she describes your bedroom prowess. Heyy ohhhh!
timschochet
Footballguy
40. Forrest Gump (1994)
Directed by: Robert Zemeckis
Starring: Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Gary Sinese
Synopsis: An Alabama man lives through many of the important events of the 1960s, 70s and 80s.
I’m not a smart man…but I know what love is- Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump
I imagine there will be some who believe this film should be a lot higher on the list, perhaps even top 10. It’s a brilliant movie, filled with marvelous iconic scenes, and it’s worthy of all the acclaim it has received over the years.
My problem is this: I just don’t care much about the main characters. Despite Forrest’s sweet nature, and Jenny’s tragic ending, they just don’t do anything to get me emotionally involved. I watched this film detached from it, not really moved in any way. And for me that keeps it from the very top levels of this list. But it’s still a remarkable movie so #40 is about right,
Directed by: Robert Zemeckis
Starring: Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, Gary Sinese
Synopsis: An Alabama man lives through many of the important events of the 1960s, 70s and 80s.
I’m not a smart man…but I know what love is- Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump
I imagine there will be some who believe this film should be a lot higher on the list, perhaps even top 10. It’s a brilliant movie, filled with marvelous iconic scenes, and it’s worthy of all the acclaim it has received over the years.
My problem is this: I just don’t care much about the main characters. Despite Forrest’s sweet nature, and Jenny’s tragic ending, they just don’t do anything to get me emotionally involved. I watched this film detached from it, not really moved in any way. And for me that keeps it from the very top levels of this list. But it’s still a remarkable movie so #40 is about right,
zamboni
Footballguy
Definitely some polarizing opinions on this one, but I'm a big fan of it. Certainly some unrealistic plot lines and some of the characters may lack depth, but Hanks' performance is otherworldly here IMO. Two scenes in particular stand out: when he first sees little Forrest at Jenny's apartment and when he visits Jenny's grave.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Forrest Gump. Big fan. Is it silly? Of course it is. Is it just hilarious with a very likeable cast? Damn right. Gump haters need to be silent here and go tend to your lawn. Go ruin a Black Panther party or something. Ha ha
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