The 1977 Song Draft (2 Viewers)

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yes, it would be a large undertaking.  I assume we'd include solo artists, as well.

so, basically, it would be name on the album, and not who was in the band, right?

Um, yes, I think. I don't know, actually.

 

[amnesiac]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

i think you have to do it by name on the album.you can draft van halen, sammy hagar, or david lee roth, but only the stuff that's on those albums.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

 

[amnesiac]

then you have guys like neil young, who i would say CSNY is a seperate band, but how do you score his albums with Crazy Horse?

 

[KillerNerd]

So, for the next draft, what should we do?  Has this format run its course?  How could we change it up?

i'd like to try the album draft.i know killernerd tried to start one on wednesday, but we could do the signup here, and pm guys who were in other drafts?

Don't want to step on toes from the other drafts. Our idea was slightly different, and the draft wouldn't take 3 damn weeks though

band draft by decade???

I don't know if I've ever seen a "Band Draft" done. I say, if you're going to do it, do it big and make it "All-time."

i like this idea.

Can I get a ruling right now on the Starship?Airplane debate?Could I draft the White Rabbit/Miracles/Jane-part but not be liable for the We Built This City-part?

Good question. I guess, since they changed their name from Jefferson Airplane to Jefferson Starship to Starship, all three would be eligible. Hell, I don't know.

So Can I draft Prince 4 or 5 times? Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, Prince, that symbol thingy....

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Damn. I've had simey's pick this whole time ...

Mother's Finest - "Baby Love"

 

[Print Is Dead]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?

i think if a band changes their name, it counts as a different band whether the lineup stays the same or not. we must figure out the menudo question, though. this draft will not get past my round 1 pick without a clear answer.

 

[JuniorNB]

There will be many, many gray areas.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

So, for the next draft, what should we do?  Has this format run its course?  How could we change it up?

i'd like to try the album draft.i know killernerd tried to start one on wednesday, but we could do the signup here, and pm guys who were in other drafts?

Don't want to step on toes from the other drafts. Our idea was slightly different, and the draft wouldn't take 3 damn weeks though

band draft by decade???

I don't know if I've ever seen a "Band Draft" done. I say, if you're going to do it, do it big and make it "All-time."

i like this idea.

Can I get a ruling right now on the Starship?Airplane debate?Could I draft the White Rabbit/Miracles/Jane-part but not be liable for the We Built This City-part?

Good question. I guess, since they changed their name from Jefferson Airplane to Jefferson Starship to Starship, all three would be eligible. Hell, I don't know.

So Can I draft Prince 4 or 5 times? Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, Prince, that symbol thingy....

Okay. I would say that if you draft Prince, you get all of that mess. Same with Neil Young, since they are both the primary focuses of said outfits.

 

[Print Is Dead]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

i agree. you wouldn't draft he stones pre and post brian jones' death as separate bands, would you?

 

[Doug B]

Doug B's list:

1.17 - Queen, "We Are the Champions"

2.02 - Marvin Gaye - "Got to Give it Up"

3.16 - 10cc - "The Things We Do For Love"

4.02 - Crosby, Stills & Nash - "Just a Song Before I Go"

5.16 - Kiss - "Hard Luck Woman"

6.02 - Brick - "Dazz"

7.16 - Heart - "Little Queen"

8.02 - Bad Company - "Burnin' Sky"

9.16 - Fleetwood Mac - "Secondhand News"

10.02 - Pablo Cruise - "Watcha Gonna Do?"

11.16 - Andy Gibb - "(Love Is) Thicker Than Water"

12.02 - Styx - "Miss America"

 

[KillerNerd]

There will be many, many gray areas.

..and at first glance I thought this would be easier. I guess albums is the easiest.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Little River Band & LRB?

With Glenn Shorrock & with John Farnham?

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

i agree. you wouldn't draft he stones pre and post brian jones' death as separate bands, would you?

No, never, never.

 

[JuniorNB]

Doug B's list:

1.17 - Queen, "We Are the Champions"

2.02 - Marvin Gaye - "Got to Give it Up"

3.16 - 10cc - "The Things We Do For Love"

4.02 - Crosby, Stills & Nash - "Just a Song Before I Go"

5.16 - Kiss - "Hard Luck Woman"

6.02 - Brick - "Dazz"

7.16 - Heart - "Little Queen"

8.02 - Bad Company - "Burnin' Sky"

9.16 - Fleetwood Mac - "Secondhand News"

10.02 - Pablo Cruise - "Watcha Gonna Do?"

11.16 - Andy Gibb - "(Love Is) Thicker Than Water"

12.02 - Styx - "Miss America"

Nice list, Doug. I'm not sure if I know the Bad Company song, but the ones I do know are all solid. Especially good value in the Fleetwood Mac and Pablo Cruise tunes.

 

[Print Is Dead]

So, for the next draft, what should we do? Has this format run its course? How could we change it up?

i'd like to try the album draft.i know killernerd tried to start one on wednesday, but we could do the signup here, and pm guys who were in other drafts?

Don't want to step on toes from the other drafts. Our idea was slightly different, and the draft wouldn't take 3 damn weeks though

band draft by decade???

I don't know if I've ever seen a "Band Draft" done. I say, if you're going to do it, do it big and make it "All-time."

i like this idea.

Can I get a ruling right now on the Starship?Airplane debate?Could I draft the White Rabbit/Miracles/Jane-part but not be liable for the We Built This City-part?

Good question. I guess, since they changed their name from Jefferson Airplane to Jefferson Starship to Starship, all three would be eligible. Hell, I don't know.

So Can I draft Prince 4 or 5 times? Prince and the Revolution, Prince and the NPG, Prince, that symbol thingy....

Okay. I would say that if you draft Prince, you get all of that mess. Same with Neil Young, since they are both the primary focuses of said outfits.

i would say drafting "neil young" would get you "neil young and crazy horse" but not CSNY. if the artist is given top billing in the name of the band, i think you get it by drafting the artist. this of course would make "derek and the dominos", "cream", and "blind faith" separate from "eric clapton"

 

[JuniorNB]

Little River Band & LRB?

With Glenn Shorrock & with John Farnham?

Shhhhh!They are my first round pick!

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

There will be many, many gray areas.

Yes, but I don't think anything would be gray enough for us to not be able to reach a consensus.

 

[JuniorNB]

There will be many, many gray areas.

Yes, but I don't think anything would be gray enough for us to not be able to reach a consensus.

I agree, and I'm in.

 

[KillerNerd]

OK, how many rounds would this have to be to do any justice to the # of bands out there?

 

[amnesiac]

There will be many, many gray areas.

as opposed to the clear black and white rules we've had for these drafts.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

i would say drafting "neil young" would get you "neil young and crazy horse" but not CSNY.  if the artist is given top billing in the name of the band, i think you get it by drafting the artist. 

this of course would make "derek and the dominos", "cream", and "blind faith" separate from "eric clapton"

Right. I didn't address CSNY. If you draft Young, you would not also get CSNY. Not sure if you'd get CSNY if you drafted CSN, though. That would be a little gray, although, I'd lean towards one getting both if one drafted either.

 

[JuniorNB]

Are we going to do polls on this one?

They seem kind of irrelevantt these days, but I still enjoy some of the input that a few of the FBGers give.

 

[Print Is Dead]

There will be many, many gray areas.

Yes, but I don't think anything would be gray enough for us to not be able to reach a consensus.

i am excited about this. definitely IN

 

[amnesiac]

i would say drafting "neil young" would get you "neil young and crazy horse" but not CSNY. if the artist is given top billing in the name of the band, i think you get it by drafting the artist.

this of course would make "derek and the dominos", "cream", and "blind faith" separate from "eric clapton"

i think this is correct.

 

[Print Is Dead]

There will be many, many gray areas.

..and at first glance I thought this would be easier. I guess albums is the easiest.

i think bands would be a little tougher, but much more fun.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Are we going to do polls on this one?

They seem kind of irrelevantt these days, but I still enjoy some of the input that a few of the FBGers give.

The one we're currently doing? Oh, I don't know. I imagine I'll set up a poll if we still want to do it.

 

[amnesiac]

OK, how many rounds would this have to be to do any justice to the # of bands out there?

well, 20 teams x say, 25 rounds would be 500 bands.

 

[JuniorNB]

Are we going to do polls on this one?

They seem kind of irrelevantt these days, but I still enjoy some of the input that a few of the FBGers give.

The one we're currently doing? Oh, I don't know. I imagine I'll set up a poll if we still want to do it.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

OK, how many rounds would this have to be to do any justice to the # of bands out there?

Another good question. I think a If we have 20 drafters ... maybe 20 rounds? This would be very negotiable.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Little River Band & LRB?

With Glenn Shorrock & with John Farnham?

If you draft the Little River Band, I'll give you both.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Who the heck is up and who has been skipped??

 

[KillerNerd]

OK, how many rounds would this have to be to do any justice to the # of bands out there?

Another good question. I think a If we have 20 drafters ... maybe 20 rounds? This would be very negotiable.

hmmm. I guess that would be about 100 bands/decade. That sounds about right.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Who the heck is up and who has been skipped??

PID is up.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Little River Band & LRB?

With Glenn Shorrock & with John Farnham?

If you draft the Little River Band, I'll give you both.

There's as much chance of me drafting Little River Band in any format or any song of theirs as there is of me doing Jessica Alba by midnight tonight

 

[Print Is Dead]

Who the heck is up and who has been skipped??

PID is up.

nope, i picked already.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Who the heck is up and who has been skipped??

PID is up.

12.05 Print Is Dead - The Beatles - "A Hard Day's Night" (Live)

12.06 simey - Mother's Finest - "Baby Love"

12.07 Real Man of Genius

12.08 Hov34

12.09 Tremendous Upside

12.10 wildbill

12.11 John Madden's Lunchbox

12.12 The Dreaded Marco

12.13 amnesiac

12.14 zamboni

12.15 JuniorNB

12.16 DCThunder

12.17 JZilla/Jethro Q. Walrustitty

 

[Doug B]

Nice list, Doug. I'm not sure if I know the Bad Company song ...

You know it ... might not know the name of the song, because "Burnin' Sky" is not exactly in the lyrics.The chorus is:

The sky /

Is burnin'

I believe /

My soul's /

On Fire

("Fire" in the last line is drawn out like "Fie-yah")

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

So, for the next draft, what should we do?  Has this format run its course?  How could we change it up?

i'd like to try the album draft.i know killernerd tried to start one on wednesday, but we could do the signup here, and pm guys who were in other drafts?

Don't want to step on toes from the other drafts. Our idea was slightly different, and the draft wouldn't take 3 damn weeks though

band draft by decade???

I don't know if I've ever seen a "Band Draft" done. I say, if you're going to do it, do it big and make it "All-time."

So IN!

I agree with UH.

 

[Print Is Dead]

wait i have rmog's pick. sorry. one sec.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Who the heck is up and who has been skipped??

PID is up.

12.05 Print Is Dead - The Beatles - "A Hard Day's Night" (Live)

12.06 simey - Mother's Finest - "Baby Love"

12.07 Real Man of Genius

12.08 Hov34

12.09 Tremendous Upside

12.10 wildbill

12.11 John Madden's Lunchbox

12.12 The Dreaded Marco

12.13 amnesiac

12.14 zamboni

12.15 JuniorNB

12.16 DCThunder

12.17 JZilla/Jethro Q. Walrustitty

My fault. It's RMoG's turn. Skip him. Hov is up.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .

 

[Doug B]

6.02 - Brick - "Dazz"

Does anyone in the draft not know this song? It's the song sampled in Dana Dane's '80s rap hit "Cinderfella", for those with rap knowledge.

 

[Print Is Dead]

RMoG's pick:

Jeff Beck - "Freeway Jam"

Off of Jeff Beck With the Jan Hammer Group Live

Pretty funny review:

Review by William Ruhlmann

Jeff Beck toured to promote Wired, backed by a jazz fusion group led by synthesizer player Jan Hammer. This straightforward live souvenir combines songs from Blow by Blow and Wired, plus a few other things, and while it features typically fiery playing from Beck, the backup is a bit too heavy-handed and the occasional vocals (by Hammer and drummer Tony Smith) are embarrassing.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .

Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

RMoG's pick:

Jeff Beck - "Freeway Jam"

Off of Jeff Beck With the Jan Hammer Group Live

Pretty funny review:

Review by William Ruhlmann

Jeff Beck toured to promote Wired, backed by a jazz fusion group led by synthesizer player Jan Hammer. This straightforward live souvenir combines songs from Blow by Blow and Wired, plus a few other things, and while it features typically fiery playing from Beck, the backup is a bit too heavy-handed and the occasional vocals (by Hammer and drummer Tony Smith) are embarrassing.

Awesome catch!!!

 

[Print Is Dead]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo? do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .

yeah, it would make it more complicated. i definitely think we should include jazz, though. blues as well.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .

Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.

The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.

If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:

The Miles Davis Quintet (I)

-------------------------------

Miles Davis (trumpet)

John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)

Red Garland (piano)

Paul Chambers (double bass)

Philly Joe Jones (drums)

The Miles Davis Quintet (II)

--------------------------------

Miles Davis (trumpet)

Wayne Shorter (saxophone)

Herbie Hancock (piano)

Ron Carter (bass)

Tony Williams (drums)

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

i need a ruling before we start the band draft:

jefferson airplane and jefferson starship, two seperate bands, yes?

and htf do we score menudo?  do we specify a certain year/version?

Van Halen? Van Hagar?

Ouch. I think if you draft Van Halen, you get both, simply because they didn't change their name.

Although if we include jazz, things could get REALLY complicated . . .

Yeah, I guess you're right, although, I'd lean toward one getting everything from a particular virtuoso if one drafts said virtuoso. Throw us an example.

The obvious one is Miles Davis.2 quintets, a sextext, an octet and many other incarnations.

If we limit by name of group, even The Miles Davis Quintet would be exceptionally tough to judge, since there were two, totally different, totally awesome line-ups under this name:

The Miles Davis Quintet (I)

-------------------------------

Miles Davis (trumpet)

John Coltrane (tenor saxophone)

Red Garland (piano)

Paul Chambers (double bass)

Philly Joe Jones (drums)

The Miles Davis Quintet (II)

--------------------------------

Miles Davis (trumpet)

Wayne Shorter (saxophone)

Herbie Hancock (piano)

Ron Carter (bass)

Tony Williams (drums)

Yikes. Like I said, I would lean towards giving you all of Miles Davis's catalogue, simply because every incarnation has got his name on it. I don't know. Zappa would be tough, too.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm excited to get this up and running. Who wants to commish it?