The 2009 K Thread (1 Viewer)

[UnknownCoach]

I think they have to pay Carney's full salary even if they cut him. So they probably wont cut him until they need the roster spot and are sure Hartley is ready.

 

[Mike Herman]

RT @WhoDat_Saints: New Orleans Saints waive QB Chase Daniel to make room for kicker Garrett Hartley http://bit.ly/qwyNH (via nola.com)

 

[Mike Herman]

[for Chase...] RT @MarkTheDayCOM: October 13, 1996 - NY Jet Nick Lowery breaks Jan Stenerud NFL field goal record at 374! 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

New England Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski Moves On From Sunday's Rare Miss http://bit.ly/sIg8y #NFL 9 minutes ago from TweetDeck

"I don't know what I did, but it just curved all the way out of there." - Detroit Lions kicker Jason Hanson http://bit.ly/fSLgD #NFL about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

 

[Mike Herman]

Kickology blog: NFL Week Five K Quotes

Colts working out Matt Stover, possible concerns over Adam Vinatieri's knee http://bit.ly/W8LJT

 

[Mike Herman]

Matt Stover declined offer from Cleveland Browns several weeks ago when Phil Dawson was injured http://bit.ly/vOoZO

 

[shims3]

So is Hartley worth adding for this week?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Rarely is the mighty Mike Herman scooped but just found this out at bengals.com

Bengals Release Brad St. Louis

On the one hand it had to be done - he's had 5 bad snaps (actually 6 but a penalty gave him a reprieve on that one) on plays that have cost the team a total of 11 points. They were plenty patient, to be honest. It had to be done.

That said, St. Louis is a class act and he was the longest-tenured Bengal, having been drafted in the 7th-round in 2000 specifically to be the LS. It really is a shame that it had to end this way. He leaves tied for the 5th-most games in Bengals history.

Coming in to replace him is Jersey boy and Rutgers product Clark Harris who played the last 4 games for the Texans last week. They waived him from their practice squad at the end of September. He's bounced around a bit and was the 7th-round pick of the Packers in '07.

-QG

 

[Mike Herman]

Cincinnati Bengals special teams coordinator Darrin Simmons discusses the difficult switch at long snapper http://bit.ly/1VQx3M #NFL about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck

Louie Sakoda discusses his decision to head north... http://bit.ly/2Yoz0p #CFL about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck

"I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings with me seeking out an opportunity." - Matt Stover regarding tryout with Indy http://bit.ly/50B2G about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck

 

[Mike Herman]

Rarely is the mighty Mike Herman scooped but just found this out at bengals.com

Bengals Release Brad St. Louis

On the one hand it had to be done - he's had 5 bad snaps (actually 6 but a penalty gave him a reprieve on that one) on plays that have cost the team a total of 11 points. They were plenty patient, to be honest. It had to be done.

That said, St. Louis is a class act and he was the longest-tenured Bengal, having been drafted in the 7th-round in 2000 specifically to be the LS. It really is a shame that it had to end this way. He leaves tied for the 5th-most games in Bengals history.

Coming in to replace him is Jersey boy and Rutgers product Clark Harris who played the last 4 games for the Texans last week. They waived him from their practice squad at the end of September. He's bounced around a bit and was the 7th-round pick of the Packers in '07.

-QG

Thanks QG. I guess I let myself get distracted by all the practice squad moves in Saskatchewan.

 

[djcolts]

Link

For those that don't know - DT Ed Johnson was cut yesterday - so there is an open roster spot for Stover.

 

[gdg76]

Link

For those that don't know - DT Ed Johnson was cut yesterday - so there is an open roster spot for Stover.

Damned Snickers curse!

 

[Mike Herman]

RT @Adam_Schefter: Looks like Indianapolis will be without K Adam Vinatieri for about 6 weeks - or 5 games with bye - due to knee surgery. 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

RT @Adam_Schefter: It's official. Colts signed Matt Stover. And Adam Vinatieri's knee surgery was to his right knee. 4 minutes ago from TweetDeck

RT @SDPepper: on this day (Oct 14) in 1996 - Packer Chris Jacke kicks longest field goal to end overtime (53 yds) about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

 

[djcolts]

Official - Stover signed, Ed Johnson cut

 

[shredhead]

Damned Snickers curse!

Link

For those that don't know - DT Ed Johnson was cut yesterday - so there is an open roster spot for Stover.

Linky no worky (blocked at work), is it Twitter? That would explain why it's blocked at work.

 

[pizzatyme]

I wish they'd have waived AV instead. His ship has sailed. I'm sure they regret cutting Andrus now!!!

 

[Breesisdaman]

Any saints homers out there that has insight into who will be kicking for the saints??thanks

Looks like they are keeping both for now. Hartley was terrific last year but really struggled during the preseason and camp so the Saints may be holding on to Carney to see how Hartley is kicking. Unless Hartley is really bad I don't see the Saints sticking with Carney. His range right now seems to be only around 45 yards.

As I have said before its Carneys job to lose. Hartley is mainly being kept for beyond this season. That said, as soon as the Saints get in a critical game winning situation with the FG try at 50+ yards and Carney fails, they will rethink this in a hurry. Already you are seeing the Saints go for it on 4th and short when they are actually in field goal range. They know Carneys limitations and have managed to work around them by having Moorestead do kickoffs. He has a heck of a leg but I dont think he can kick field goals (I may be wrong) Moorestead is saving Carneys gig at the moment, that and the fact that Carney is way more consistant on short range kicks than Hartley. For the moment only Carney is worth owning in fantasy football as Hartley will not even be activated on game day. Watch the situation as I mentioned above though. Things change quickly when you have two kickers and you start missing game winners.

 

[Mike Herman]

Any saints homers out there that has insight into who will be kicking for the saints??thanks

Looks like they are keeping both for now. Hartley was terrific last year but really struggled during the preseason and camp so the Saints may be holding on to Carney to see how Hartley is kicking. Unless Hartley is really bad I don't see the Saints sticking with Carney. His range right now seems to be only around 45 yards.

As I have said before its Carneys job to lose. Hartley is mainly being kept for beyond this season. That said, as soon as the Saints get in a critical game winning situation with the FG try at 50+ yards and Carney fails, they will rethink this in a hurry. Already you are seeing the Saints go for it on 4th and short when they are actually in field goal range. They know Carneys limitations and have managed to work around them by having Moorestead do kickoffs. He has a heck of a leg but I dont think he can kick field goals (I may be wrong) Moorestead is saving Carneys gig at the moment, that and the fact that Carney is way more consistant on short range kicks than Hartley. For the moment only Carney is worth owning in fantasy football as Hartley will not even be activated on game day. Watch the situation as I mentioned above though. Things change quickly when you have two kickers and you start missing game winners.

FWIW, Morstead was the placekicker for 3 years at SMU, as well as the punter. His career long FG was 52 yards.

 

[Chaser1439]

# Mason Crosby - GB vs DET

# Jeff Reed - PIT vs CLE

# Stephen Gostkowski - NE vs TEN

# David Akers - PHI at OAK

# Josh Scobee - JAX vs STL

# Jason Elam - ATL vs CHI

# Ryan Longwell - MIN vs BAL

# Olindo Mare - SEA vs ARI

# Shayne Graham - CIN vs HOU

# Matt Prater - DEN at SD

# Jay Feely - NYJ vs BUF

# John Carney - NO vs NYG

# Shaun Suisham - WAS vs KC

# Lawrence Tynes - NYG at NO

# Robbie Gould - CHI at ATL

 

[ScottyDog]

are you serious?

 

[Buffaloes]

I'd take the guy with the # sign next to his name. He's money.

 

[RICK ROMO]

Hanson-Det or Janakowski-Oak

both will kick multiple FG's this weekend-not saying they are going to make them but they will try to.

 

[hoopvillian]

Kaeding? SD can move the ball on Den.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Rarely is the mighty Mike Herman scooped but just found this out at bengals.com

Bengals Release Brad St. Louis

On the one hand it had to be done - he's had 5 bad snaps (actually 6 but a penalty gave him a reprieve on that one) on plays that have cost the team a total of 11 points. They were plenty patient, to be honest. It had to be done.

That said, St. Louis is a class act and he was the longest-tenured Bengal, having been drafted in the 7th-round in 2000 specifically to be the LS. It really is a shame that it had to end this way. He leaves tied for the 5th-most games in Bengals history.

Coming in to replace him is Jersey boy and Rutgers product Clark Harris who played the last 4 games for the Texans last week. They waived him from their practice squad at the end of September. He's bounced around a bit and was the 7th-round pick of the Packers in '07.

-QG

Thanks QG. I guess I let myself get distracted by all the practice squad moves in Saskatchewan.

LOL You do great work, MH, I'm just one of the many Bengals fans who were continually staring at their computer hitting F5 over and over again awaiting news of a change at LS. When you're screaming "go for 2" when your team scores a TD to take a 2-point lead, you know it's time for a change :(

Now to dig into the article you posted about BSL Thanks for all your hard work as usual!

-QG

 

[FavreCo]

are you serious?

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the thread title.Here's your answer: The one that scores the most points.

 

[jon_mx]

are you serious?

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the thread title.Here's your answer: The one that scores the most points.

Should we target teams who suck in the red zones, or opponents whose defense is only good in the red zones. Perhaps I will just buy a lottery ticket instead.

 

[netnalp]

Tynes. Giants last year and this year have trouble scoring when in the red zone and they move the ball down the field very well.

 

[Dismattle]

Id favor Longwell or Tynes risk play might be Gostkowski (maybe TN can step up their D.)

fyi: Colts(bye) added Stover

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I would definitely go with Crosby.

or Gostkowski, for sure.

or Akers, or Tynes...definitely one of those 4.

Or John Hall, is he available?

 

[footballnerd]

Feely because I just picked him up.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Is Kathy Ireland on the wire in your league?

That girl has got a leg.

 

[Black]

Go with the teams that might score the most points? I like kickers at home.

S. Graham CIN v.HOU

Scobee JAX v.STL

Mare SEA v.ARI

 

[BobbyLayne]

Spend some time with Mr. Herman...he knows things.

 

[Paul Brown]

Billy Cundiff

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Lou Michaels

 

[Chaka]

Over time kickers on winning teams are the highest point producers.

Seems intuitive but surprisingly people ignore this.

 

[howo5]

Given that tidbit of knowledge is it Carney or Hartley this week? Whoever it is will be someone you can ride the rest of the year without any more posts like these

 

[JMJ]

Longwell. Minnesota will move the ball up and down the field vs. Baltimore but might have a tough time scoring TDs in the small confines of the redzone vs. a good defense.

Multiple FGs for Longwell.

 

[just_want_2_win]

I am not one of those who thinks kickers are not worth any thought at all, but I don't want to spend too much time analyzing kickers, either.

That said, the Colts signed Matt Stover to fill in for Vinatieri, who's out at least 6 weeks.

There's been a lot of interest in the Saints' K -- Carney/Hartley -- because of the potent Saint O.

Is Stover then a Carney-esque K because of the Colts' O and being indoors?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Admittedly I have no idea how Vinatieri has been to this point, but my *PERCEPTION* is the Colts offense, while high-powered, is TOO efficient, meaning way more XPs and less FGs, which = kicker mediocrity. Again, if Vinatieri's numbers are up there with the leaders, I stand corrected. I just always felt he's been pretty meh the last few years.

 

[Mike Herman]

"we feel good about the combination that we’ve been working with..." - Saints HC Sean Payton on the kicking situation http://bit.ly/2LgqIc 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

"He's tried to fight through it, he wanted to fight through it because he's a warrior." - HC Jim Caldwell on Vinatieri http://bit.ly/4etRzX 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

"He's definitely getting closer to playing." - Browns head coach Eric Mangini on Phil Dawson http://bit.ly/3cM6t9 #NFL 15 minutes ago from TweetDeck

RT @combineseries: Great article about the highs and lows of kicking: http://bit.ly/eglAs 19 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Cleveland Browns kicker Phil Dawson back in practice for the first time in several weeks http://bit.ly/1fo98B #NFL about 6 hours ago from TweetDeck

 

[BobbyLayne]

"we feel good about the combination that we’ve been working with..." - Saints HC Sean Payton on the kicking situation http://bit.ly/2LgqIc 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I'm confused by what he meant when he said 'we'.

 

[Avery]

"we feel good about the combination that we’ve been working with..." - Saints HC Sean Payton on the kicking situation http://bit.ly/2LgqIc 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I'm confused by what he meant when he said 'we'.

I'd assume the coaching staff.

 

[BobbyLayne]

We're gonna need to get that sarcasm detector 3.02 update to market a lot faster than I anticipated.

 

[Avery]

We're gonna need to get that sarcasm detector 3.02 update to market a lot faster than I anticipated.

 

[ft_ball_fan]

"we feel good about the combination that we’ve been working with..." - Saints HC Sean Payton on the kicking situation http://bit.ly/2LgqIc 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I'm confused by what he meant when he said 'we'.

I'd assume the coaching staff.

Seems like an endorsement of Carney and the punter (who was doing kickoffs and Carney FG's)... comfortable with that combo they've been working with.. I.e. Hartley on the outside looking in.

 

[Avery]

"we feel good about the combination that we’ve been working with..." - Saints HC Sean Payton on the kicking situation http://bit.ly/2LgqIc 2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

I'm confused by what he meant when he said 'we'.

I'd assume the coaching staff.

Seems like an endorsement of Carney and the punter (who was doing kickoffs and Carney FG's)... comfortable with that combo they've been working with.. I.e. Hartley on the outside looking in.

That's how I read it too.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Seems like an endorsement of Carney and the punter (who was doing kickoffs and Carney FG's)... comfortable with that combo they've been working with.. I.e. Hartley on the outside looking in.

I think thats a good call. If they were going Hartley, they would have committed to him...but they didn't. So intuitively, you would think they're sticking with Carney for the moment. Concurrently, though, they are fully cognizant that the veteran has serious limitations on his distance, and obvs, he's not the LT solution.

 

[Mike Herman]

Kickology blog: Speaking Colts and Saintspeak

 

[slickfritz781]

Who would you prefer: Carney or Stover

-They are both on great offenses constantly making visits to the red zone

-Carney is old and cant kick from too far but will probably get more FG attempts

-Stover is younger and efficient from anywhere but his team will usually score the td

i have carney but stovers still on the WW

 

[Mike Herman]

"Everybody just started screaming." - Mason Prater, brother of Denver Broncos kicker Matt Prater http://bit.ly/3JaaUP #NFL about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck

“As long as you don’t hear my name after this week, I’m happy.” - Cincinnati Bengals LS Clark Harris http://bit.ly/2b4Bun #NFL about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck

Saints notes: Garrett Hartley tries to work his way back into mix http://bit.ly/1MZvq6 #NFL about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck

RT @ProLinkSports: #UFL: One quarter to play in Las Vegas...Florida has stretched its lead to 22-0 on the strength of 5 Matt Bryant FGs. about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck

RT @Kornblue: "Superstition is mental weakness." - NFL kicker Adam Vinatieri about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck