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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (2 Viewers)

For the love of God please draft Sweat and Samuels this round.  Please Hurney.

Or maybe gamble on Hurst.  But please dont eff up this round.  No more small corners.  Give Cam Samuels and the offense might be off the charts unstoppable.

 
Mason Cole was sitting there in the third to correct?  He's going to be a franchise center. Oh well  <_<
The number of starters we passed on to pick undersized nickel backs is classic hurney.  I hate for people to lose their jobs but hopefully the new owners have seen enough.

 
Well again I liked the Jackson pick. You can't coach speed, he went right where he was projected and he is a projected starter. The Gaulden pick though was not good on paper and as mentioned they passed on guys with better grades. 

 
So this TE pick is ok I guess. I saw him projected to be a 2 or 3rd round pick by a couple of sources. Very raw though. Not really what I'd call day one ready. Shown development but has a long way to go. Maybe Olsen can help that process along.

 
“He has potential to develop into a special teams player.  He’s undersized with short arms. “

I’ll take Marty Hurney draft picks for $1000 Alex. 

 
For the love of God please draft Sweat and Samuels this round.  Please Hurney.

Or maybe gamble on Hurst.  But please dont eff up this round.  No more small corners.  Give Cam Samuels and the offense might be off the charts unstoppable.
I just don't get this.  I really don't.  This kid's a monster and has played at an elite level since his clearing with NO dropoff....at all.  If he doesn't end up on a roster, the NFL has officially lost it's collective mind.

 
So they traded down to pick an undersized DE and 2 guys who will only make the team if they make it on special teams. They feel like 3 wasted picks. This part of the draft was where Gettleman was the man. I don't see anything here to be excited about or anyone I really expect to see as a full time starter if they even make the team.

 
Disheartening.. why not take a shot at Bo Scarborough?  Instead we get another under-sized LB who will not make the team.  Not like we need a RB or O-linemen or anything. 

I'd rather have Skai Moore there.  If he doesn't get drafted, they should sign him and bring him to camp.

 
This Carter kid isn't good.  Yes, he led the team in tackles for 50 years but he also led the team in yards allowed after contact.  I can't count how many times this kid got steam rolled in the games I watched.  

Looks like we are quickly back to the same old same old.  What's the word on new ownership groups up there anyway?  It sucks being down here in FL now and not able to keep up all that easily. :kicksrock:  

 
It's clear they are concerned about team speed.  I'm just not sure it matters if they are in position and still not able to make the play :mellow:  

 
That's the thing. Hurney was bent on getting speed but he went overboard.  You need big strong guys too.  Being faster is great but you have to make plays.  

We need a running back that can pound the ball... And we need people that can block for him and protect Cam.  A bunch of wasted picks the last couple of days.

 
So the last pick feels like the best of the bunch today. Space eating big DL. Should be decent against the run and gets an occasional sack. Not a sexy pick but may have the best chance of contributing from early on and should be serviceable at least.  That's a win for a late 7th rounder. 

 
This Carter kid isn't good.  Yes, he led the team in tackles for 50 years but he also led the team in yards allowed after contact.  I can't count how many times this kid got steam rolled in the games I watched.  

Looks like we are quickly back to the same old same old.  What's the word on new ownership groups up there anyway?  It sucks being down here in FL now and not able to keep up all that easily. :kicksrock:  
Not much new news. People putting bids together and figuring out how many billions to go.

 
would have liked them to take Scarbrough in the 7th, would have been a nice compliment to CMC and Newton's rushing ability

 
I liked the first couple of picks and I'm optimistic about the TE pick.  The rest...

I think the draft will be graded on how things pan out with picks 2-4 against how the two guys we passed on work out, safeties Reid and Harrison. 

Hurney signed a handful of C/G undrafted free agents.  Hopefully one of them can stick and contribute.  That would make up for not drafting one. 

 
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I liked the first couple of picks and I'm optimistic about the TE pick.  The rest...

I think the draft will be graded on how things pan out with picks 2-4 against how the two guys we passed on work out, safeties Reid and Harrison. 

Hurney signed a handful of C/G undrafted free agents.  Hopefully one of them can stick and contribute.  That would make up for not drafting one. 
like i said typical hurney.  projects and undersized guys with a couple of reaches scattered in. 

 
Reid and Harrison would have been the safe and sensible picks instead of rolling the dice with a smaller, faster guy who may or may not pan out.  We need starters in the first few rounds, not projects or depth picks.  Should have been WR, S, then G/RB/CB the next couple of picks.  

Watch how Guice is going to blow up for Washington.  Steal of the draft.  Crazy how he kept falling. 

 
Does the draft indicate a bigger role for McCaffrey this year? 
I think we are going to pick up a free agent RB.  I'm not exactly sure who was cut vs. who is going into free agency (which makes a big difference since we shouldn't be willing to lose our third round comp pick).  I'd love CJ Anderson as a Stewart replacement, and he was a cut. 

I'd imagine all of the available RBs start getting deals now that the draft is over.

 
Can we let hurney make the first round pick and then turn the draft over to me or NCC to finish?
It's funny.  The one pick that people seemed most upset with was Gaulden in the third, with tons of people saying that Hurney sucks after the first (I ventured into reddit, holy #### those people were angry).

Steve Smith, Will Witherspoon, Charles Johnson, Ricky Manning Jr., James Anderson, Evan Mathis, and Travelle Wharton were all under his watch.  These are all stars or significant starters that he drafted in the third round.  As good as Hurney has been in the first and as bad as he's been in the second, the third is where he's done a really good job in picking up quality players in a point in the draft that is often full of backups and players who don't make splashes. 

 
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It's funny.  The one pick that people seemed most upset with was Gaulden in the third, with tons of people saying that Hurney sucks after the first (I ventured into reddit, holy #### those people were angry).

Steve Smith, Will Witherspoon, Charles Johnson, Ricky Manning Jr., James Anderson, Evan Mathis, and Travelle Wharton were all under his watch.  These are all stars or significant starters that he drafted in the third round.  As good as Hurney has been in the first and as bad as he's been in the second, the third is where he's done a really good job in picking up quality players in a point in the draft that is often full of backups and players who don't make splashes. 
People were upset because Gaulden was a reach. A big reach. His highest projection was 6th round. Making that pick and trading our other 3 rd rounder for essentially nothing while skipping on several players that filled positions of need that were projected starters makes me upset.  Oh and never venture into Reddit. It's ugly over there.

 
It's funny.  The one pick that people seemed most upset with was Gaulden in the third, with tons of people saying that Hurney sucks after the first (I ventured into reddit, holy #### those people were angry).

Steve Smith, Will Witherspoon, Charles Johnson, Ricky Manning Jr., James Anderson, Evan Mathis, and Travelle Wharton were all under his watch.  These are all stars or significant starters that he drafted in the third round.  As good as Hurney has been in the first and as bad as he's been in the second, the third is where he's done a really good job in picking up quality players in a point in the draft that is often full of backups and players who don't make splashes. 
Hurney drafted Josh Norman in the 5th round, and although it took Norman until his 3rd year to start playing well, Hurney saw something in him and he was right that he had the potential to be a great player. Greg Hardy was a 6th rounder and Captain Munnerlyn was a 7th rounder. 

 
Hurney drafted Josh Norman in the 5th round, and although it took Norman until his 3rd year to start playing well, Hurney saw something in him and he was right that he had the potential to be a great player. Greg Hardy was a 6th rounder and Captain Munnerlyn was a 7th rounder. 
2nd rd - Everette Brown, Sherod Martin, Jimmy Clausan,

3rd rd - Irvin, Lafell, A. Edwards, Fua

We got one good season from Norman, Hardy beat the crap out of some poor girl and cost the team a ton of cap space to sit out on suspension.

NCC picks better players than this clown.

 
2nd rd - Everette Brown, Sherod Martin, Jimmy Clausan,

3rd rd - Irvin, Lafell, A. Edwards, Fua

We got one good season from Norman, Hardy beat the crap out of some poor girl and cost the team a ton of cap space to sit out on suspension.

NCC picks better players than this clown.
Thanks, I think.

 
Well, there's one thing that's slightly different about this Hurney draft and others.  While we are pissing and moaning in here, it seems the "experts" kind of like his draft.  Normally, they are pissing and moaning with us, so......

I still can't shake that 3rd round pick for all the reasons NCC mentions a couple posts up, but we'll see on the rest.  It's tough to swallow the fact that they could have had really good OL help with that pick.

 
Well, there's one thing that's slightly different about this Hurney draft and others.  While we are pissing and moaning in here, it seems the "experts" kind of like his draft.  Normally, they are pissing and moaning with us, so......

I still can't shake that 3rd round pick for all the reasons NCC mentions a couple posts up, but we'll see on the rest.  It's tough to swallow the fact that they could have had really good OL help with that pick.
Yup...the experts are raving about this draft.  Talking like Gaulden was one of the best picks of the draft and a HOF lock.

 
SI....

CAROLINA PANTHERS

Draft picks: Maryland WR D.J. Moore (No. 24), LSU CB Donte Jackson (No. 55), Tennessee DB Rashaan Gaulden (No. 85), Indiana TE Ian Thomas (No. 101), Mississippi LB Marquis Haynes (No. 136), Maryland LB Jermaine Carter (No. 161), North Carolina LB Andre Smith (No. 234), Miami DT Kendrick Norton (No. 242).

Generally the Panthers think that having a talented defensive front seven can make mid- and late-round defensive backs play better. But this year, most of the front-seven players in Carolina are under contract through 2020 or beyond, while every defensive back—save for slot specialist Captain Munnerlyn—is due to hit free agency before then. So, restituted GM Marty Hurney went defensive back with his second and third picks, taking speedy, boom-or-bust corner Donte Jackson and multifaceted safety/slot man/corner Rashaan Gaulden.

Before that, however, Hurney addressed Carolina’s putrid wide receiver situation. With all wideouts still on the board, he took D.J. Moore, who some see as a potentially more polished DeAndre Hopkins. Moore’s success playing with Cam Newton could come down to his ball adjustment skills. Fourth-round tight end Ian Thomas is also an important selection. The Panthers, with their multi-actioned rushing attack and play-action game, are at their best in two-tight end packages, but they entered the draft without a quality contributor behind Greg Olsen.

Grade: A-

 
NFL.com had us ranked 14th best draft...Analysis: There's no doubt that Carolina's draft picks within the first four rounds are in need of much more development. However, Moore and Jackson have very high upsides, while Gaulden and Haynes are good players that will just have to work around speed and size limitations, respectively.

 
CBS...2018 NFL Draft Grades for all 32 teams: Bears, Bucs, Ravens, Panthers get top marks

Carolina Panthers: A 

They needed to get help for Cam Newton, and they did just that. It started with receiver D.J. Moore in the first round, who I believe is the best receiver in this draft. He will give them a different dimension for their passing game. They also got a needed corner in Donte Jackson, who was the fastest player in the draft, and then took a quality safety in third-round pick Rashaan Gaulden. I love fourth-round tight end Ian Thomas, who will be a nice second option behind Greg Olsen. Fourth-round edge player Marquis Haynes will help the outside pass rush as a situational player early in his career. They had a nice haul. 

 
Hurney must have been sending out checks. Haynes for example is tiny for that position. He is literally a one down player and even then you probably better be blitzing or else any decent NFL  tackle is going to manhandle him one on one. See him on the field audible and run right at him. Gaulden is slow. He is slower than DEs who have 100 pounds on him. And he has other issues with his technique. Sorry I dont get how you give this draft a high grade while mentioning that most of the picks have serious limitations or are raw. 

 
And them saying Moore is a more refined Deandre Hopkins... if he gives half the production that Hopkins gives I'd be happy.  That guy catches everything.  

 
Could Haynes be converted to safety?  Think he ran a 4.6 forty.  Should be a hard hitter, though.  
I'm thinking more OLB and try to get him in on some 3-4 defense looks. They picked up a DL, his name escapes me, that is really a 3-4 nose tackle type so maybe that's in the cards.

 
And them saying Moore is a more refined Deandre Hopkins... if he gives half the production that Hopkins gives I'd be happy.  That guy catches everything.  
Moore has very good body control and his speciality seems to be catching balls thrown behind him which Cam does do.

 
I'm thinking more OLB and try to get him in on some 3-4 defense looks. They picked up a DL, his name escapes me, that is really a 3-4 nose tackle type so maybe that's in the cards.
I'd like to see him and Jackson blitzing off the edge at various times in games.  Could be very effective.  

 
BassNBrew said:
2nd rd - Everette Brown, Sherod Martin, Jimmy Clausan,

3rd rd - Irvin, Lafell, A. Edwards, Fua

We got one good season from Norman, Hardy beat the crap out of some poor girl and cost the team a ton of cap space to sit out on suspension.

NCC picks better players than this clown.
You can't control someone turning into an idiot.  Hardy was one of the best DEs in the game until he went off the rails.  Norman should have been playing earlier than he was...I remember tons of fans begging for him to be on the field more earlier.  If you get one All-Pro season out of a sixth round pick, that's a win anyway. 

Every team has bad picks.  Hurney made plenty of them, there's no discounting that, but he wasn't as bad as many people think.  My biggest issue with him was trading away future picks (which he seems to have learned from) and keeping players around too long.  Old Hurney would have paid Norwell and Star whatever they wanted and crippled the team for the future.  There's a reason that the last time Hurney was here we never lost good players to free agency.  We kept them all and suffered the consequences. 

If he's learned from those past mistakes (which so far, he seems to have), then I'm willing to give him a fair shake.  Certainly enough to wait until a guy who was drafted in the third and was a "reach" (according to people who aren't professional NFL scouts) actually plays football before I judge him.

Calling anyone a "steal" or a "reach" in the NFL Draft is silly.  You have no clue what the other 31 teams draft boards look like.  You have no clue what kind of info the scouts have picked up about interest elsewhere or where players are being valued on other boards.  I remember a couple years ago when Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin at 15, everyone called it a reach on ESPN and various websites.  Later, it came out that multiple teams were interested in him and he would have definitely went in the next few picks if they didn't take him.  Seattle was aware of this and picked him.

Irvin didn't end up being a star NFL player, but in terms of evaluating the draft spot (regardless of what people on the internet said) Seattle got it right.

 
You can't control someone turning into an idiot.  Hardy was one of the best DEs in the game until he went off the rails.  Norman should have been playing earlier than he was...I remember tons of fans begging for him to be on the field more earlier.  If you get one All-Pro season out of a sixth round pick, that's a win anyway. 

Every team has bad picks.  Hurney made plenty of them, there's no discounting that, but he wasn't as bad as many people think.  My biggest issue with him was trading away future picks (which he seems to have learned from) and keeping players around too long.  Old Hurney would have paid Norwell and Star whatever they wanted and crippled the team for the future.  There's a reason that the last time Hurney was here we never lost good players to free agency.  We kept them all and suffered the consequences. 

If he's learned from those past mistakes (which so far, he seems to have), then I'm willing to give him a fair shake.  Certainly enough to wait until a guy who was drafted in the third and was a "reach" (according to people who aren't professional NFL scouts) actually plays football before I judge him.

Calling anyone a "steal" or a "reach" in the NFL Draft is silly.  You have no clue what the other 31 teams draft boards look like.  You have no clue what kind of info the scouts have picked up about interest elsewhere or where players are being valued on other boards.  I remember a couple years ago when Seattle drafted Bruce Irvin at 15, everyone called it a reach on ESPN and various websites.  Later, it came out that multiple teams were interested in him and he would have definitely went in the next few picks if they didn't take him.  Seattle was aware of this and picked him.

Irvin didn't end up being a star NFL player, but in terms of evaluating the draft spot (regardless of what people on the internet said) Seattle got it right.
Well actually no they didn't.  Because he never lived up to his draft position.  So they got it wrong and missed on someone more productive. And it isn't just me or Bass saying it was a reach numerous professionals said the same predraft. I don't really  care where other teams had him. There were legitimately higher rated needs position players available that were passed on for a slow safety. And then we traded our next pick to draft a bunch of part timers and raw project players. This is not going to be remembered as a great draft IMO.

 
I like the CJ signing a lot.  Glad Christian won't have to carry the ball so much and they can get it to him in space more rather than hand it to him up the middle/off tackle all season.  

 
Yeah CJ gives them some more versatility as he also has decent hands. So they can do a lot with a 2 back set  with him and CMac.

 

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