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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (2 Viewers)
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Jayrok
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The bolded is the frustrating part. Even with the miscues we still should have won that game. I agree on the needing more sense of urgency from Cam.
simey
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NCCommish
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simey
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Funchess usually doesn't play that poorly. He shouldn't be cut because of it. I do think that DJ and Samuel should be heavily involved in every game. A couple games prior to the Lions they weren't targeted as much, and they have proven to be playmakers. Sometimes the youngsters are better than the veterans. They will make some mental mistakes, but they are blossoming big time. The Panthers have nothing to lose (but games) at this point. Get those youngsters the ball!
Jayrok
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Why do we schedule the C-hawks so often even in years when we don't play their division. We've only beaten them, what, one or two times in the last decade?
Might as well change the title BNB. Cats are in a tail spin. If we can't beat Detroit and Sea, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Offense played fine. Couple of questionable calls in the first half. Going for it on 4th and 3 when a FG would put 3 pts on the board. And they run a QB draw when Cam catches it 5 yards in the backfield so it's really 4th and 8. All that speed and misdirection and we pound it up the middle when we get inside the 10.
Now I know why Corn Elder was on the practice squad. Game on the line and they have 4th and a few yards. We blitz and Russell throws it to the end zone on what should have been a 50/50 ball. Elder stays with him but keeps his head in the sand... ball goes right by his helmet. TD.
If the WR turns and looks up as he's going into the end zone, that means the ball is on its way. TURN YOUR HEAD AND MAKE A PLAY.. fight for it. SOMETHING!!
They teach that in high school. Didn't need an INT. Just knock/bat it away. Something. He didn't even raise his hands to try and break it up.
Just another terrible loss. Oh yeah, and Gano. Butker would have made those FGs in the last two weeks.
Might as well change the title BNB. Cats are in a tail spin. If we can't beat Detroit and Sea, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Offense played fine. Couple of questionable calls in the first half. Going for it on 4th and 3 when a FG would put 3 pts on the board. And they run a QB draw when Cam catches it 5 yards in the backfield so it's really 4th and 8. All that speed and misdirection and we pound it up the middle when we get inside the 10.
Now I know why Corn Elder was on the practice squad. Game on the line and they have 4th and a few yards. We blitz and Russell throws it to the end zone on what should have been a 50/50 ball. Elder stays with him but keeps his head in the sand... ball goes right by his helmet. TD.
If the WR turns and looks up as he's going into the end zone, that means the ball is on its way. TURN YOUR HEAD AND MAKE A PLAY.. fight for it. SOMETHING!!
They teach that in high school. Didn't need an INT. Just knock/bat it away. Something. He didn't even raise his hands to try and break it up.
Just another terrible loss. Oh yeah, and Gano. Butker would have made those FGs in the last two weeks.
simey
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The Panthers have won four games out of 13 with the Seahawks. I like playing the Seahawks, cause I don't like them. We could have beaten them, but came up short. I always like having another crack at them, because usually we are good enough to beat them. Next time...
I would have preferred the Panthers kick the FG earlier in the game instead of going for it. Who knows if Gano would have made it though. He is shaky lately, and his kicking woes have played a role in these last two losses. Butker is having a nice season, but he has missed a FG and three xtra points. So he hasn't been perfect.
NCCommish
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This isn't college football we don't schedule anything. That comes from the league. Have no idea why we play Seattle so much.
And yeah Elder showed just how good Donte has been playing. That turned out to be a major loss to the defense yesterday and the kid is a rookie. Man I can't wait to watch him fully develop.
The offense played well enough to win. The defense has just not been good recently. Not sure what the entire issue is but there is a problem. And Gano has been really off. I hope he can get back on track.
And yeah Elder showed just how good Donte has been playing. That turned out to be a major loss to the defense yesterday and the kid is a rookie. Man I can't wait to watch him fully develop.
The offense played well enough to win. The defense has just not been good recently. Not sure what the entire issue is but there is a problem. And Gano has been really off. I hope he can get back on track.
Jayrok
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The games with them are usually close and good games. And it's nice to say hey, we'll get you next time. I certainly get that as a fan. But I want to win games and get back to the SB. The Panthers are more talented this year, imo, than them. That hasn't been the case in the past. Yet, for whatever reason, they seem to have our number. Especially in Charlotte. There's always a crucial fumble (D. Williams years ago) or something that prevents a win.
Jayrok
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that Carolina and Sea have been scheduling each other for years for some reason... as sort of a request of the NFL. Not sure.
I know Eric Reid is a good tackler and strong vs the run game, but where is he with help over the top? He seems to be out of position often and I can't remember many pass breakups he's had since he's been there. We need a free safety that is a ball hawk.
No. The team has no control over this, it is formulaic. Every single NFL team plays 16 games: 6 divisional, 3 against a rotating division within the conference, 4 against a rotating division in the other conference, and 1 each against the teams in their own conference divisions not covered already that finished in the same spot.
Panthers and Seahawks have just finished in the same spot in their divisions/met in the playoffs more than usual.
simey
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Jayrok
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The formula means each team’s 16-game schedule include:
Six home and away games against its three division opponents.
Four games against teams from another division within its conference on a rotating three-year cycle.
Four games against teams from a division in the other conference on a rotating four-year cycle.
Two games within its conference based on the prior year's standings. These games match a first-place team against the first-place teams in the two same-conference divisions the team is not scheduled to play that season. The second-place, third-place, and fourth-place teams in a conference are matched in the same way each year.
We both finished 2nd last year. That accounts for 2018
In 2013 and 2014 we both finished 1st. That accounts for 2014 and 2015
In 2013 and 2016 we played the west.
We didn't play them last year. They are in the rotation next year as we play the NFC West.
NCCommish
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Reid is more a middle of the field guy. Strong in space against RBs, strong in coverage against tight ends and can cover the slot. Can rush the QB as well. Those are his strengths. And really those strengths are very necessary in this division. He is more a strong safety than the free. And I am pretty sure he is lined up as the strong most of the time.
simey
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Maybe if they don't make the playoffs in the next two years. I think the offense is better this year. Sometimes it takes offenses a year to get used to a new system, but they have caught on to Norv's system well. The defense has regressed some. I don't think Rivera should be on the hot seat this year. We'll see what next year brings. I do think that Rivera is the best HC the Panthers have had since they became a franchise.
NCCommish
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Seems unlikely. And if they did dump him he'd be hired almost immediately by a team. This is a transition year in many ways with a lot of guys in new positions. And they still may make the playoffs. They aren't awful they just aren't consistent and most of that is on the players. I mean even Luke has been missing tackles.
Hooper31
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So many years later, would be curious to see how people feel about Nolan Nawrocki's "disingenuous smile" comment when completing his evaluation of Newton. At the time Nawrocki was raked over the coals and vilified as an outright racist. Was he wrong about this particular aspect of Newton's personality?
Jayrok
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Yeah I think, all in all, Ron has been a good coach. NCCommish, you made a comment the other day about worrying about teams figuring Norv out after the first year or so. I agree and it is a bit concerning. Some of his plays take awhile to develop. Christian has been great in the system, though.
I'm not calling for Ron's head by any means, just trying to think into the future.
The current/developing trend in today's NFL is the offensive QB coach/head coach.
S. Peyton/Brees
McVey/Goff
Reid/Mahomes
Shanihan/Garoppolo
McDaniels/Brady
Pederson/Wentz... and probably missing a few combos.
Brady and Brees have been doing it for years, but with today's officiating changes that limit defenses from mauling WRs, these teams are flourishing/separating themselves from the pack.
I think Norv is limited with his system (and age) and Ron is not an offensive guy. Not sure who would be out there to replace but just thinking out loud.
I'm not calling for Ron's head by any means, just trying to think into the future.
The current/developing trend in today's NFL is the offensive QB coach/head coach.
S. Peyton/Brees
McVey/Goff
Reid/Mahomes
Shanihan/Garoppolo
McDaniels/Brady
Pederson/Wentz... and probably missing a few combos.
Brady and Brees have been doing it for years, but with today's officiating changes that limit defenses from mauling WRs, these teams are flourishing/separating themselves from the pack.
I think Norv is limited with his system (and age) and Ron is not an offensive guy. Not sure who would be out there to replace but just thinking out loud.
Well obviously something is wrong with Cam. This offense could make a huge leap if he could throw the ball further than me. That said, his accuracy sure has gone through the roof now that he can't throw deep.
The D has been pretty bad IMO and isn't going to age well. Shame that just as the offense gets rolling the D is over the hill.
Jayrok
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My opinion only and all wishful thinking, but I wish after Brees retires in a couple of years, we could wrangle away Sean Payton and then trade up to draft Trevor Lawrence when he hits the draft in 2020 (maybe 2021, but if he plays like I think he'll play next season, he may be compelled to leave earlier). I've watched every Clemson game and that kid is a phenom who already has a better arm than most NFL QBs. He's a 6'6 film-rat with an accurate canon who is described as a more athletic Peyton Manning (his childhood idol).
If he matches up with the right coach, look out. I think he will give some team 16 years of top QB play. WIsh/hope it is us.
If he matches up with the right coach, look out. I think he will give some team 16 years of top QB play. WIsh/hope it is us.
NCCommish
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I think so. It really seems like a genuine part of his personality. When you see that smile on the field you know he is feeling it and things are about to get interesting. Also he is very involved in the community here and often with no media involved. Cam wears all his emotions on his sleeve. Dude just can't hide it or fake it.
NCCommish
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Jayrok
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I'd be happy if he would just get to the end of the half or game with some timeouts left.
NCCommish
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I think with our new owner getting his start in Pittsburgh he appreciates both stability and that a defensive HC can be a winner still. So I think that bodes well for Rivera. However our DC may be feeling the heat sooner rather than later. We'll have to see if they can get it turned around.
simey
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simey
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BB is a defensive minded HC.
I think Norv has done a great job so far this year being the OC.
simey
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His shoulder injury has limited him throwing deep. He still has done a nice job this year improving his accuracy with his throwing.
NCCommish
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Jayrok
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I'm not either but he'd probably be easier to get than my first choice... Sean McVay.
I think Turner is limited in what he can do for/with Cam.
Jayrok
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I didn't mean to imply that McDaniels is the head coach in New England. Yes BB is a defensive head coach but he knows how to surround himself with talented coordinators and assistant coaches. In the same manner, I think Ron Rivera has had success in employing defensive coordinators and coaches. Wish he could find that next young star offensive minded coordinator who can come in and shape the offense going forward.
That said, yes, Norv Turner is doing a good job but I see him as an interim solution, not a long term O/C.
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NCCommish
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At this point I think Cam is who he is. You can tweak but you aren't changing wholesale. So game plan tweaks change stats. Obviously a play action pass game based on deep throws will result in lower completion percentages while more screens, slants and dump offs elevate them for example. But his footwork isn't going to change apparently and that is still going to result in poor throws. He still doesn't throw guys open and he probably will never develop that ability. Only so much an OC or QB coach can do.
Jayrok
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Hence the look into the future. Has Cam taken the Panthers are far as he can? When would we begin to, say, start thinking about going in another direction at QB?
I don't think so. His ball handling is a perfect fit with all the weapons we have. If he gets his deep ball back, this offense could easily challenge KC, LAR, NO, and Pitt to be a powerhouse. They are killing it with the underneath stuff even with zero threat of the field being stretched. Cam is 29, I think you have 5 more years before the wheels fall off.
simey
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He took them to a Super Bowl, and did it with no #1 WR. I think Cam has played well this season even though he is limited by his shoulder injury. He finally has some talented youngsters that will just get better with experience. I look forward to the future with them including Cam.
pantherclub
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pantherclub
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NCCommish
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You mean to a one loss season, the longest winning streak in NFC history and a Super Bowl? I mean just for perspective. I think Cam can be the league MVP again and I think he can lead this team to a Super Bowl win. We just have to be intellectually honest about his flaws. He is never going to do it like Brady. But then he doesn't have to. He does need wide receivers that get seperation and YAC. I think we have him a couple of young guys who do both. He needs his shoulder to be right to really get back his deep ball. So I agree with BnB. We have a qb really entering his prime and we should have several more seasons before we need the guy to be waiting in the wings. I think it will be earlier for Cam than some because of all the hits his running exposes him to but I dont think it's right now .
Jayrok
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Hooper31
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Jayrok
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Bucs, Browns, Falcons, and Saints (x2). We have to go 3-2 in these games to have a winning season and the first back-to-back winning seasons in franchise history.
24 seasons and never had back-to-back winning seasons. That is an amazing stat.
Three weeks ago when we stood at 6-2 I figured it was a lock to get over that hump.
24 seasons and never had back-to-back winning seasons. That is an amazing stat.
Three weeks ago when we stood at 6-2 I figured it was a lock to get over that hump.
pantherclub
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4 turnovers. Not much else to say. 
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