I decided not to go with my brother to get one Friday, and I'm glad I didn't. He got there at 7:30 a.m. and left with his activated phone at 4:30 p.m. He was supposed to work and ended up never going in. He showed me that Shazam thing and it was pretty amazing. It picked up a softly playing song in the background of a grocery story over people talking nearby.
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The Commish
Footballguy
How many here who bought the second iPhone also bought the one before it?
crazy diamond
Footballguy
my friend's wife manages an apple store. he said that there is some stipulation about upgrading your iphone that she didn't even know about until the day they were released. this is all hearsay, but he said that you can't get the $200 price if you've owned a previous iphone for a certain period of time. also there was some gum up about having to be a new customer with at&t. i don't have all the specifics, but i was hoping someone here might be able to clear all this up. this is the first i'd heard of it at work this morning.
adonis
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
crazy diamond
Footballguy
is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
The Commish
Footballguy
I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
goonsquad
Think different.
I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
How the heck does the industry make money off of this? There are no ads? Do enough people chose to buy the songs?Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
adonis
Footballguy
I got my old one the first day it came out too. However long ago that was.The thing was, I could sell my old phone at nearly the same price I bought it for (minus a little bit), and use that to more than pay for this phone.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
Not sure, but check out Last.FM as well. Both are great apps, think I might prefer Last.Fm as of 2 hours ago.How the heck does the industry make money off of this? There are no ads? Do enough people chose to buy the songs?Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
Fennis
Footballguy
Business Model - VolumeHow the heck does the industry make money off of this? There are no ads? Do enough people chose to buy the songs?Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.
This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
The Commish
Footballguy
Are you saying you bought it as an investment?? Genuine question.I got my old one the first day it came out too. However long ago that was.The thing was, I could sell my old phone at nearly the same price I bought it for (minus a little bit), and use that to more than pay for this phone.You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?
Print Is Dead
Footballguy
Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
I can't believe how well Pandora works over Edge.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Loving Pandora right now.Pandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.I can't believe how well Pandora works over Edge.
I'm sure that 3G and GPS are great, but I feel like I have a great new phone and I didn't have to spend $200 or extend my contract. Wish they had this when I first got it.
adonis
Footballguy
Pandora is great. Exchange email setup was great (haven't fooled with syncing calendars/contacts, worried about overwriting).
Currently listening to pandora over wifi at work, have exchange pushed to my phone. Love shazam - tried it at indian restaurant today and it couldn't get the song
...also has trouble with classical music.
Wifi currently works on my work internet which has enterprise WPA security, which wasn't supported on the previous iphone, good stuff.
Battery life seems to be draining very quickly. I haven't done much to try to improve battery life, like shutting of GPS/3G, and I have been using it heavily, so it's still early to say how it will work.
Disappointed that my car charger will not work to charge the iphone 3g. I had a car kit that worked for my old iphone, but this one won't charge the new one even if it will play it over the car stereo.
, can't expect them to keep the same circuitry forever.
Enjoying monkeyball, not exceedingly, but it's fun. I have a feeling the free things for the iphone are going to take over in a big way, as already there are some amazing programs coming out, and the store has just been open for a bit and the developers kit is just now being opened for the general public.
When they get their push IM server working, we'll have some excellent IM applications. I expect more free games and other free cool applications. I can't see myself buying too many things on the itunes store though, maybe exceptional programs. Thus far, I bought monkeyball and enigmo, but wouldn't again if I could do it over again as other games that are free are enjoyable too.
My games and some apps close unexpectedly. I was pleased to find that I could listen to an audiobook while playing monkeyball, though the first time I tried it, it crashed the app.
Reception seems to be improved, as now in the basement where I work, I can send and receive calls, whereas before it was a 98% dead spot, with my old iphone and my interim nokia 6300 (i think). The screen looks better than the previous version, but I can't put my finger on exactly what it is. The colors just stand out more.
On the exchange note, it was very easy to set up, and it imported my mailboxes very quickly. I tested an email out, sent it from my computer to myself, and over 3G network, it was on my phone in under 5 seconds. Impressive. I'll test out the contacts and calendar sync soon.
Currently listening to pandora over wifi at work, have exchange pushed to my phone. Love shazam - tried it at indian restaurant today and it couldn't get the song
...also has trouble with classical music.Wifi currently works on my work internet which has enterprise WPA security, which wasn't supported on the previous iphone, good stuff.
Battery life seems to be draining very quickly. I haven't done much to try to improve battery life, like shutting of GPS/3G, and I have been using it heavily, so it's still early to say how it will work.
Disappointed that my car charger will not work to charge the iphone 3g. I had a car kit that worked for my old iphone, but this one won't charge the new one even if it will play it over the car stereo.
, can't expect them to keep the same circuitry forever.Enjoying monkeyball, not exceedingly, but it's fun. I have a feeling the free things for the iphone are going to take over in a big way, as already there are some amazing programs coming out, and the store has just been open for a bit and the developers kit is just now being opened for the general public.
When they get their push IM server working, we'll have some excellent IM applications. I expect more free games and other free cool applications. I can't see myself buying too many things on the itunes store though, maybe exceptional programs. Thus far, I bought monkeyball and enigmo, but wouldn't again if I could do it over again as other games that are free are enjoyable too.
My games and some apps close unexpectedly. I was pleased to find that I could listen to an audiobook while playing monkeyball, though the first time I tried it, it crashed the app.
Reception seems to be improved, as now in the basement where I work, I can send and receive calls, whereas before it was a 98% dead spot, with my old iphone and my interim nokia 6300 (i think). The screen looks better than the previous version, but I can't put my finger on exactly what it is. The colors just stand out more.
On the exchange note, it was very easy to set up, and it imported my mailboxes very quickly. I tested an email out, sent it from my computer to myself, and over 3G network, it was on my phone in under 5 seconds. Impressive. I'll test out the contacts and calendar sync soon.
adonis
Footballguy
I bought my first one as an investment? No, I had no idea its value would hold so well nearly a year after buying it. Usually technology like that depreciates quickly, or quicker. Demand helped though.No, I was planning all along to buy the first gen iphone, and upgrade to the newest one when it came out. I was just pleasantly surprised that I could heavily subsidize the new phone and its increased costs by selling my old phone. It'd be like buying a new car one year, and selling it the next year and using the money to buy a new better car, and not having to pay much more at all for the new car.Anyway, I guess I'm just missing where you're going with your questions, if anywhere.The Commish said:Are you saying you bought it as an investment?? Genuine question.adonis said:I got my old one the first day it came out too. However long ago that was.The thing was, I could sell my old phone at nearly the same price I bought it for (minus a little bit), and use that to more than pay for this phone.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
goonsquad
Think different.
I can't argue, but this isn't entirely marketing. A lot of potential buyers actually waited a year for the 3G to be released. So there was a lot of pent up demand from the first launch.Outside of the keynote and some email blasts, I haven't seen a lot from Apple themselves in terms of marketing. They do an amazing job getting the mainstream press to do their marketing for them. There have been no new iPhone ad blitzes or marketing pushes that I have seen but their buzz machine is unparalleled.The Commish said:Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.goonsquad said:I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.The Commish said:I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.crazy diamond said:is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
adonis
Footballguy
Absolutely.But marketing doesn't mean much if you don't put out quality products. The iphone first gen was a high quality product. It lacked features and functionality that some people wanted, but for some people like myself, it was an excellent fit for our needs.This release meets some of the things the first gen lacked, and makes it a more enjoyable phone. Their marketing and all is amazing, but the products they put out are excellent too. I have a macbook pro and I really enjoy it. I've owned Dell laptops in the past and while I appreciated them, I'm really enjoying my macbook and OS X. The hype and all can cause a lot of people to come out for a launch, stand in line - one time. But if hte company does not produce quality products, the hype dies away and the next product launch will have less of an impact. Apple consistantly puts products out there that people want, and that are quality products, so the marketing machine has a much easier job.The Commish said:Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.goonsquad said:I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.The Commish said:I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.crazy diamond said:is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
Mister Martie
Footballguy
I'm ashamed to admit that I waited 5 hours in line for this Friday. I absolutely love it though. It's amazing.
[John McCain] It's magic! [/John McCain]
[John McCain] It's magic! [/John McCain]
adonis
Footballguy
For those wondering about the people who purchased iphones in 2007 and then in 2008, here's some information:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07...s_thus_far.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07...s_thus_far.html
adonis
Footballguy
Also read that with the new phone, on 3G, you can make calls and surf the net/use GPS at the same time.
Can look up showtimes when someone calls you, find directions, or look something up on the net as someone talks to you. VERY nice addition, as I was frustrated a lot from this lack on the previous version.
Can look up showtimes when someone calls you, find directions, or look something up on the net as someone talks to you. VERY nice addition, as I was frustrated a lot from this lack on the previous version.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
iMahjong has ensured that I will not be even the least bit (my usual rate) productive today.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think it's just my thought process. Personally, I'd be pissed if I found myself buying the next gen phone just a year later because that would mean I was somehow influenced to buy an inferior phone if I felt that I had to buy the next one as soon as it came out. Make sense? I don't understand the bolded though as it relates to the rest of the post. If the first one fit all my needs, I don't need the second one. If I need the second one, the first one didn't really fit my needs. I'd look back and say, "Crap, I have spent $600+ on phones over the last year and what do I have to show for it". I understand that people just like to have the latest and greatest. However, it's clear that I have really underestimated the marketing machine of Apple. I say this with no offense intended, but you've bought two of their phones in the last year, all the while allowing you to think they were both excellent fits to your needs. That's impressive to me.This is NOT a slam on product. I think they make a fine product for their niche. It's not about that at all for me. I guess I am as amazed by the Apple movement as I am the Obama movement we are witnessing. In both scenarios, the decision to jump on board can't be known as good/bad just yet, but that doesn't seem to be stopping people from doing so and in large numbers.Absolutely.But marketing doesn't mean much if you don't put out quality products. The iphone first gen was a high quality product. It lacked features and functionality that some people wanted, but for some people like myself, it was an excellent fit for our needs.The Commish said:Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.goonsquad said:I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.The Commish said:I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.crazy diamond said:is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
This release meets some of the things the first gen lacked, and makes it a more enjoyable phone. Their marketing and all is amazing, but the products they put out are excellent too. I have a macbook pro and I really enjoy it. I've owned Dell laptops in the past and while I appreciated them, I'm really enjoying my macbook and OS X.
The hype and all can cause a lot of people to come out for a launch, stand in line - one time. But if hte company does not produce quality products, the hype dies away and the next product launch will have less of an impact. Apple consistantly puts products out there that people want, and that are quality products, so the marketing machine has a much easier job.
My Edge does his, and iirc it did it before the 2.0 update. BTW, Pandora doesn't seem to work all the time
adonis
Footballguy
It's like having a choice between 100 phones, all of which are more or less the same, then one phone that comes out that takes phones in a different direction. That was the iPhone.I had smartphones before the iphone. I used styluses, and windows mobile. I downloaded games, tried to surf the net, tried to listen to music...but none of it was easy, none was a pleasant experience. Granted, I didn't try all of the smartphones, or some of the nicest ones that came out when the iphone did, but the iphone was hands and above all of the other phones in what I wanted to use them for. For that reason, the iphone was a great fit for me.I think it's just my thought process. Personally, I'd be pissed if I found myself buying the next gen phone just a year later because that would mean I was somehow influenced to buy an inferior phone if I felt that I had to buy the next one as soon as it came out. Make sense? I don't understand the bolded though as it relates to the rest of the post. If the first one fit all my needs, I don't need the second one. If I need the second one, the first one didn't really fit my needs. I'd look back and say, "Crap, I have spent $600+ on phones over the last year and what do I have to show for it". I understand that people just like to have the latest and greatest. However, it's clear that I have really underestimated the marketing machine of Apple. I say this with no offense intended, but you've bought two of their phones in the last year, all the while allowing you to think they were both excellent fits to your needs. That's impressive to me.This is NOT a slam on product. I think they make a fine product for their niche. It's not about that at all for me. I guess I am as amazed by the Apple movement as I am the Obama movement we are witnessing. In both scenarios, the decision to jump on board can't be known as good/bad just yet, but that doesn't seem to be stopping people from doing so and in large numbers.Absolutely.But marketing doesn't mean much if you don't put out quality products. The iphone first gen was a high quality product. It lacked features and functionality that some people wanted, but for some people like myself, it was an excellent fit for our needs.The Commish said:Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.goonsquad said:I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.The Commish said:I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.crazy diamond said:is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
This release meets some of the things the first gen lacked, and makes it a more enjoyable phone. Their marketing and all is amazing, but the products they put out are excellent too. I have a macbook pro and I really enjoy it. I've owned Dell laptops in the past and while I appreciated them, I'm really enjoying my macbook and OS X.
The hype and all can cause a lot of people to come out for a launch, stand in line - one time. But if hte company does not produce quality products, the hype dies away and the next product launch will have less of an impact. Apple consistantly puts products out there that people want, and that are quality products, so the marketing machine has a much easier job.
Sure, there were other features I would love to have on the iphone gen1, but as a phone/ipod/internet device, it was far and above any of the others i'd seen or tried.
Now, the new generation comes out and it's even better than the last, with more of the features I want. Who wouldn't want faster internet? I can certainly enjoy GPS even though it wasn't a need and I made due with the cell-tower positioning, or even google maps with me manually inserting my information.
I'm not so sure that the Obama movement is like the Apple one, if that can be called a movement, because like I said, if Apple did not put out quality products, people would not be excited about new releases. The iphone is a quality product that is easily among the top 3 phones out there. It's not all things to all people, but its appeal is more than just hype...it's fun to use, it's easy to use, and it's a quality product. People love quality products.
People line up on fridays to see movies from quality producers, directors and actors. Some people are so known for quality, that people dont' need to know anything more than this person or that had a hand in the movie, and they're there (myself included).
Toyota puts out quality cars, and when they started the Prius line, there were waiting lists for quite some time because everyone wanted them. People pre-order cd's of artists they love because they trust the quality. Role playing games online, or sequels to games like Halo have people lined up to buy copies of them.
I'd say that the Obama brand/movement is different, as he's not really selling a product but rather an image. He inspires people, excites them, gives everyone hope...and people connect to that, but it's not so much of a product, or a company, with a line of successes that is releasing a new product that people trust will be excellent. (/devils advocate)
Went to the Apple store and did a side by side comparison of 3G.
I know they through out some statistics but I wanted to see it for myself.
Wow, it's not close. I pulled up a few different web pages with a lot of text/pictures - ESPN.com and Apple.com to name a few and 3G blew away EDGE.
On top of that the new phone is a lot lighter and does fit the hand better.
I was considering holding off, but there is no chance now.
The only one they had was the 16GB White, so I'll be waiting probably another week or so to grab a black one.
I know they through out some statistics but I wanted to see it for myself.
Wow, it's not close. I pulled up a few different web pages with a lot of text/pictures - ESPN.com and Apple.com to name a few and 3G blew away EDGE.
On top of that the new phone is a lot lighter and does fit the hand better.
I was considering holding off, but there is no chance now.
The only one they had was the 16GB White, so I'll be waiting probably another week or so to grab a black one.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Bold is the part that I don't get. I think the iPhone is hands down the best phone on the market today - if price was not an issue and my firm was on AT&T instead of Verizon, I'd be an iPhone user, no doubt.But in what way did the iPhone "take phones in a different direction"? Almost every feature on the iPhone has already been done on other phones, Apple just did it better. Like I said, I think it's by far the best phone out there, but I don't see how Apple changed the "direction" of smartphones, in any way.It's like having a choice between 100 phones, all of which are more or less the same, then one phone that comes out that takes phones in a different direction. That was the iPhone.I had smartphones before the iphone. I used styluses, and windows mobile. I downloaded games, tried to surf the net, tried to listen to music...but none of it was easy, none was a pleasant experience. Granted, I didn't try all of the smartphones, or some of the nicest ones that came out when the iphone did, but the iphone was hands and above all of the other phones in what I wanted to use them for. For that reason, the iphone was a great fit for me.I think it's just my thought process. Personally, I'd be pissed if I found myself buying the next gen phone just a year later because that would mean I was somehow influenced to buy an inferior phone if I felt that I had to buy the next one as soon as it came out. Make sense? I don't understand the bolded though as it relates to the rest of the post. If the first one fit all my needs, I don't need the second one. If I need the second one, the first one didn't really fit my needs. I'd look back and say, "Crap, I have spent $600+ on phones over the last year and what do I have to show for it". I understand that people just like to have the latest and greatest. However, it's clear that I have really underestimated the marketing machine of Apple. I say this with no offense intended, but you've bought two of their phones in the last year, all the while allowing you to think they were both excellent fits to your needs. That's impressive to me.This is NOT a slam on product. I think they make a fine product for their niche. It's not about that at all for me. I guess I am as amazed by the Apple movement as I am the Obama movement we are witnessing. In both scenarios, the decision to jump on board can't be known as good/bad just yet, but that doesn't seem to be stopping people from doing so and in large numbers.Absolutely.But marketing doesn't mean much if you don't put out quality products. The iphone first gen was a high quality product. It lacked features and functionality that some people wanted, but for some people like myself, it was an excellent fit for our needs.The Commish said:Not at all. It wasn't a loaded question of any kind. I am simply trying to asses the power of the marketing machine Apple has going and I must say it's the best I have ever seen.goonsquad said:I'm guessing you're trying to discount them selling 1 million in 3 days by implying that a good majority of those are previous iPhone owners. But I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to spring it on us.The Commish said:I don't know honestly...I was asking for a different reason.crazy diamond said:is that what the deal is? i've only had mine about 8 months.The Commish said:You haven't had your phone a year yet have you?adonis said:The Commish said:
This release meets some of the things the first gen lacked, and makes it a more enjoyable phone. Their marketing and all is amazing, but the products they put out are excellent too. I have a macbook pro and I really enjoy it. I've owned Dell laptops in the past and while I appreciated them, I'm really enjoying my macbook and OS X.
The hype and all can cause a lot of people to come out for a launch, stand in line - one time. But if hte company does not produce quality products, the hype dies away and the next product launch will have less of an impact. Apple consistantly puts products out there that people want, and that are quality products, so the marketing machine has a much easier job.
Sure, there were other features I would love to have on the iphone gen1, but as a phone/ipod/internet device, it was far and above any of the others i'd seen or tried.
Now, the new generation comes out and it's even better than the last, with more of the features I want. Who wouldn't want faster internet? I can certainly enjoy GPS even though it wasn't a need and I made due with the cell-tower positioning, or even google maps with me manually inserting my information.
I'm not so sure that the Obama movement is like the Apple one, if that can be called a movement, because like I said, if Apple did not put out quality products, people would not be excited about new releases. The iphone is a quality product that is easily among the top 3 phones out there. It's not all things to all people, but its appeal is more than just hype...it's fun to use, it's easy to use, and it's a quality product. People love quality products.
People line up on fridays to see movies from quality producers, directors and actors. Some people are so known for quality, that people dont' need to know anything more than this person or that had a hand in the movie, and they're there (myself included).
Toyota puts out quality cars, and when they started the Prius line, there were waiting lists for quite some time because everyone wanted them. People pre-order cd's of artists they love because they trust the quality. Role playing games online, or sequels to games like Halo have people lined up to buy copies of them.
I'd say that the Obama brand/movement is different, as he's not really selling a product but rather an image. He inspires people, excites them, gives everyone hope...and people connect to that, but it's not so much of a product, or a company, with a line of successes that is releasing a new product that people trust will be excellent. (/devils advocate)
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goonsquad
Think different.
MultiTouch to start. Apple may not have been the first to make a touch screen phone, but they were the first to make it work well. Now every manufacturer has their version of an "iPhone killer" touch screen phone.Bold is the part that I don't get. I think the iPhone is hands down the best phone on the market today - if price was not an issue and my firm was on AT&T instead of Verizon, I'd be an iPhone user, no doubt.
But in what way did the iPhone "take phones in a different direction"? Almost every feature on the iPhone has already been done on other phones, Apple just did it better. Like I said, I think it's by far the best phone out there, but I don't see how Apple changed the "direction" of smartphones, in any way.
adonis
Footballguy
Smartphones weren't touch driven (generally) and they weren't as intuitive and straightforward as the iphone was. The interface for the iphone is the most noteworthy change to smartphones. Multiple phones have since come out copying the interface of the iphone.None of the things the iphone did were new to phones, but the way they did it, took the previous features and made them accessible to end users in a way, and with a grace, that was new.One of the most remarkable comments on the iphone first gen that I got was how easy it was to use. How easy it was to dial a contact, add a new contact, set a picture for a contact, how clear the internet browsing was (iphone is still best mobile browser, according to most reveiwers), and just with a few clicks, how easy it was to do what you wanted.I've had other smartphones, and other people have had trouble doing basic operations on them. I'm not sure how people familiar with the majority of older smartphones would not see the iphone as a huge leap forward in usability, clarity, and function. Sure, there were some good ones around, but the vast majority sucked...majorly. Look at how many are now copying the iphone, in UI as well as name, as well as design.Bold is the part that I don't get. I think the iPhone is hands down the best phone on the market today - if price was not an issue and my firm was on AT&T instead of Verizon, I'd be an iPhone user, no doubt.But in what way did the iPhone "take phones in a different direction"? Almost every feature on the iPhone has already been done on other phones, Apple just did it better. Like I said, I think it's by far the best phone out there, but I don't see how Apple changed the "direction" of smartphones, in any way.
goonsquad
Think different.
But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree with all of this. One of my best friends has an iPhone that I play with and it's awesome - much more user friendly, IMO, than my smartphone. I just don't see it as a "completely different direction". Apple essentially took the touch technology that Palm had on back in 2000, put an updated version on a phone, and made the operating system more user friendly. I think it's the best phone out there, by far. Nothing is even close, that I've seen.Smartphones weren't touch driven (generally) and they weren't as intuitive and straightforward as the iphone was. The interface for the iphone is the most noteworthy change to smartphones. Multiple phones have since come out copying the interface of the iphone.None of the things the iphone did were new to phones, but the way they did it, took the previous features and made them accessible to end users in a way, and with a grace, that was new.One of the most remarkable comments on the iphone first gen that I got was how easy it was to use. How easy it was to dial a contact, add a new contact, set a picture for a contact, how clear the internet browsing was (iphone is still best mobile browser, according to most reveiwers), and just with a few clicks, how easy it was to do what you wanted.I've had other smartphones, and other people have had trouble doing basic operations on them. I'm not sure how people familiar with the majority of older smartphones would not see the iphone as a huge leap forward in usability, clarity, and function. Sure, there were some good ones around, but the vast majority sucked...majorly. Look at how many are now copying the iphone, in UI as well as name, as well as design.Bold is the part that I don't get. I think the iPhone is hands down the best phone on the market today - if price was not an issue and my firm was on AT&T instead of Verizon, I'd be an iPhone user, no doubt.But in what way did the iPhone "take phones in a different direction"? Almost every feature on the iPhone has already been done on other phones, Apple just did it better. Like I said, I think it's by far the best phone out there, but I don't see how Apple changed the "direction" of smartphones, in any way.
adonis
Footballguy
I think this is what a lot of people get caught up on - the different direction part.You can go in a different direction than other people, while all of you still drive the same car. Similarly, cell phones can share similar technologies, yet have a few going in a different direction with those technologies.Microsoft did it with their OS, apple did it with icons, many other companies do it with their products. Apple did it here with their user interface, which used for 1, a different operating system, but 2 it took the OS and settings and all in a much more simplistic direction. The majority of smartphones in the market used windows mobile, which was fairly complicated to use. Apple's OS X for the iphone allowed apple to design their own, with an emphasis on ease of use, intuitive navigation, and stability. They settled for fewer options, done well, rather than more options, with considerable problems (Windows mobile). And don't get me wrong, there are other directions that are good options too, from what I've seen the blackberry models are quite good, but for me, the direction apple took was more to my liking than the blackberry.I agree with all of this. One of my best friends has an iPhone that I play with and it's awesome - much more user friendly, IMO, than my smartphone. I just don't see it as a "completely different direction". Apple essentially took the touch technology that Palm had on back in 2000, put an updated version on a phone, and made the operating system more user friendly. I think it's the best phone out there, by far. Nothing is even close, that I've seen.Smartphones weren't touch driven (generally) and they weren't as intuitive and straightforward as the iphone was. The interface for the iphone is the most noteworthy change to smartphones. Multiple phones have since come out copying the interface of the iphone.None of the things the iphone did were new to phones, but the way they did it, took the previous features and made them accessible to end users in a way, and with a grace, that was new.One of the most remarkable comments on the iphone first gen that I got was how easy it was to use. How easy it was to dial a contact, add a new contact, set a picture for a contact, how clear the internet browsing was (iphone is still best mobile browser, according to most reveiwers), and just with a few clicks, how easy it was to do what you wanted.I've had other smartphones, and other people have had trouble doing basic operations on them. I'm not sure how people familiar with the majority of older smartphones would not see the iphone as a huge leap forward in usability, clarity, and function. Sure, there were some good ones around, but the vast majority sucked...majorly. Look at how many are now copying the iphone, in UI as well as name, as well as design.Bold is the part that I don't get. I think the iPhone is hands down the best phone on the market today - if price was not an issue and my firm was on AT&T instead of Verizon, I'd be an iPhone user, no doubt.But in what way did the iPhone "take phones in a different direction"? Almost every feature on the iPhone has already been done on other phones, Apple just did it better. Like I said, I think it's by far the best phone out there, but I don't see how Apple changed the "direction" of smartphones, in any way.
FrostBite
Footballguy
My local store is sold out...
As to the different direction debate... wasn't the iPhone the first phone to have full internet capabilities instead of mobile web? What about the phone displaying content vertically and horizontally? Was that a first?
As to the different direction debate... wasn't the iPhone the first phone to have full internet capabilities instead of mobile web? What about the phone displaying content vertically and horizontally? Was that a first?
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rodg12
Footballguy
As a follow-up........I ended up calling the Apple Store that afternoon, found out they still had a good supply of the White 16 GB models (the one I wanted) and headed back down there at about 3:15. I got to the line outside the store at 4:20. I stood in line for about an hour. About 40 minutes in they said they were out of the black 16 GB models, which made me nervous about getting a White model. When I got in the store and told the lady I wanted a White 16 GB phone she told me I got there just in the nick of time and got one of the last 5 they had. I was pretty pumped. It took all of 15 minutes to get it activated and get everything signed and paid for. Walked out of there a very, very happy camper. After playing with it for the last 3 days, I absolutely love it. Got my gmail and work email (as well as calendar) synched up to it. Started working on getting my music moved over yesterday (decided I needed to clean-up the tag information on all my stuff before I put it on the phone). I love how easy safari is to use on a cell phone. Tried out the Pandora and AOL Radio apps and loved them. Also got the SportsTap app which looks handy to grab stats and scores from all the major sporting events. Overall, I handily give it a 10 out of 10. Really couldn't be happier with it.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. I was walking today listening to KROQ2 on aol radio with just edgePandora is better than AOL. I really can' believe this, free radio!!! Don't even need to have any music loaded on my ipod to be entertained for hours.This is going to be a huge blow to satellite radio.
HellToupee
Footballguy
the grey channels turn to black in wifi, i couldn't access them with edge. I wonder if they play with 3gShazam is pretty cool to mess around with. I was turning to the music channels on my tv, and it would get it almost every time.AOL radio streams great with the edge for the local chanels, but certain other channels were grey and wouldn't play. Anyone else have this problem? Maybe I need to be on wifi for certain channels.
The Commish
Footballguy
Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).
pile of sith
Footballguy
moore's law.Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).
goonsquad
Think different.
We are talking two different timelines here. Technology is consistently upgraded by manufacturers on three to six month cycles. When you buy a computer gadget you have to know that same gadget will be available faster and/or with more memory for the same price in 3-6 months. But that does not make the first device completely outdated and unuseable.The 18-month timeline is an expected lifespan whereby advancing technology will make the device obsolete or it will fail. That's why computers depreciate over 18-months. At the end of the 1-1/2 years, it is expected that the device will be replaced.The Commish said:Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.goonsquad said:But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).The Commish said:
What you are missing here is that Apple is fully supporting iPhone 1.0. It is not obsolete. The iPhone software upgrade 2.0 is available for iPhone 1.0 upgrading it's functionality and most of the apps for download in the App Store work for both devices unless they are 3G or GPS specific.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Went back to the Apple store to get a case and I hated all of them. Maybe they were just low on inventory. I'm looking for a black rubber one that covers the back and edges. They had a couple at the store which were like that, but they all had ridiculous designs on the back as well.
The Commish
Footballguy
Been doing the technology scene for a pretty long time and this is news to me. As I said before, generally speaking new technology (which is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the older technology) generally comes out every 18 months and technology devices are depreciated over 3 years. It doesn't really matter to me. I am not interested in continuing down the tangent. Just leave it that I am very impressed with Apple's ability to get people comfortable with forking out $600+ for two pieces of very similar technology in less than a year. Other companies should take note and follow their marketing model.We are talking two different timelines here. Technology is consistently upgraded by manufacturers on three to six month cycles. When you buy a computer gadget you have to know that same gadget will be available faster and/or with more memory for the same price in 3-6 months. But that does not make the first device completely outdated and unuseable.The 18-month timeline is an expected lifespan whereby advancing technology will make the device obsolete or it will fail. That's why computers depreciate over 18-months. At the end of the 1-1/2 years, it is expected that the device will be replaced.The Commish said:Personally, I think you are creating a bit of a strawman here with the timeline you are suggesting. Yes, new products come out frequently, but typically new versions of the same product come out every few years. If I were an AT&T customer, I would have waited for the next gen to come out. I do the same thing with other technology stuff to. That's just me. I waited for the new Directv HD boxes to come out because I knew they were only a few months away and a lot of features. With all that said, I come from a position of necessity when talking about mobile phones. I don't like having to carry them and I don't like the concept of them at all. They annoy the bejesus outta me. They always have. So for me, it's hard to understand forking out $600+ for one over the course of a year. Technology typically cycles in 18 month waves...always has. That's why companies have 3 years to depreciate desktops/laptops etc. I get that some like the new gadgets, but this one seems to be a really wide spread liking, and that is to the credit of Apple. I was a little surprised that they didn't do much to fix their activation process after debacle last time. That's about the onoy surprise for me. I expected more to be sold than last time at a faster pace, but not to the people who just purchased them a few months before.goonsquad said:But that's technology. Computers become outdated every three to six months. If you bought an iPhone at launch, you had to know that it would be upgraded eventually. A year at the top is an acceptable length of time for technology. You shouldn't have any reason to be pissed. We all knew 3G was coming, any plenty of people made the decision to wait for it (myself included).The Commish said:
What you are missing here is that Apple is fully supporting iPhone 1.0. It is not obsolete. The iPhone software upgrade 2.0 is available for iPhone 1.0 upgrading it's functionality and most of the apps for download in the App Store work for both devices unless they are 3G or GPS specific.
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