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How does that happen? Marvel sold them off?
They did a deal on the rights with Fox and as long as Fox keeps making X-Men movies they keep the rights. Same thing with Spidey which is why we are getting this ridiculous reboot of that series.
Spiderman was probably my favorite super hero growing up. I was very excited when it hit the big screen and I to this day love the first spiderman film. I liked the second. I loathed the third. I refuse to see this new reboot. Why do we need the origin story again? The only possible good thing is that Peter Parker invents the webthrower, but still, this reboot is ridiculous.
No offense intended but this post sounds a little selfish. You mention growing up, and how he was your favorite superhero. Thats cool and all, but what about kids growing up right now? Sure they could see the ones you saw, but technology in movie making is advancing so fast that the effects in movies are better each and every year. Kids just coming into their own regarding comics will like it. And you might too if you would have an open mind about it.
They are dramatically changing canon. If they want a new hero they should go for it. Plenty around. You can update the retelling of the Spider-Man story without changing canon.
I don't know much about this new Spidey movie, so what part of his story are they changing?
Allegedly the main plot point is that he was genetically engineered by his parents to become Spider-Man. And his parents are of course not dead they are in hiding or some such. It's way out in left field. Supposedly even Sony hates it but they have to make a movie or lose the rights.
In the comics they did revisit their story to make them spies. Are they going that route? Anyway, I wasn't a fan of that storyline. It's better to leave pre-Spiderman Peter Parker as boring and normal as possible.Why would they even go the tampering route since they already did that in Ang Lee's Hulk. Lame.
 
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Venom is my favorite comic book villain of all time. They botched Spiderman 3 so poorly. The Spiderman Reboot shouldve focused on Venom the right way.
the black suit was jammed into that disaster of a movie.that is an entire storyline in itself... and a good one.
Yep
are you still an active reader? did you partake in all the side-comics like Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man, Spectacular, Web of Spider man, etc, and the newer Ultimate Spider man, and the new black spider man?I just think the story lines got completely strange and outlandish... occasionally i'll thumb through an issue or look at some downloads, but I'm not terribly compelled by anything I see that is in the last 10-15 years (although the artwork is amazing these days)
 
Venom is my favorite comic book villain of all time. They botched Spiderman 3 so poorly. The Spiderman Reboot shouldve focused on Venom the right way.
the black suit was jammed into that disaster of a movie.that is an entire storyline in itself... and a good one.
Yep
are you still an active reader? did you partake in all the side-comics like Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man, Spectacular, Web of Spider man, etc, and the newer Ultimate Spider man, and the new black spider man?I just think the story lines got completely strange and outlandish... occasionally i'll thumb through an issue or look at some downloads, but I'm not terribly compelled by anything I see that is in the last 10-15 years (although the artwork is amazing these days)
No not active any more. I did read several Spidey titles but the newer ones I don't have much experience with. I did kind of concentrate my comic reading on Spidey and X-Men though so it made it easier to keep up. Been a long time since I read any of them.
 
What is the reasoning with all those different story lines in comics?

I grew up with The Amazing Spiderman and then fell off in the late 80's and never returned because of all the alternate spiderman comics. It just got too muddled for me.

 
What is the reasoning with all those different story lines in comics?I grew up with The Amazing Spiderman and then fell off in the late 80's and never returned because of all the alternate spiderman comics. It just got too muddled for me.
Yes, i grew up with Amazing too... but when i started reading at like 11 y.o. we were on the black suit story line.In the torrent era i went back and acquired ish 1 through 500.I'm on like ish 70also the answer to your question is always: money
 
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What is the reasoning with all those different story lines in comics?I grew up with The Amazing Spiderman and then fell off in the late 80's and never returned because of all the alternate spiderman comics. It just got too muddled for me.
The Amazing Spiderman has been around for almost 50 years, with a ton of authors and 650+ issues. With that much times and content and changing point of views with various artists and writers, you are always going to have change.Comics tend to reflect current events. Over 50 years events change which cause story lines and points of view to change with the times.
 
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I have read a lot of spidey, most of the best stories were out in Amazing.

I have about 250 issues of Amazing, ranging from #250 to 550.

Spectacular I think of have 180 of the 220 issue run.

I have all of Web, which was about 100 issues

And most of Spiderman, which was around 90 I think.

There were a bunch of newer titles also, like Friendly Neighborhood Spidey and Sensational Spiderman.

At one point in the 90s they had all four titles running and the story arcs spanned them all, so you had to buy them all if you wanted to read it. I was in university at the time and not collecting, I picked up most of the issues from that span a few years ago.

I stopped collecting again last year, mostly because I was spending about $150 a month. There are many good storylines but that is just to much to justify on a comic book hobby. They also rebooted Spidey in the books a few years ago with One More Day and I wasnt a fan of that storyline or the new direction.

The Grim Hunt syory arc from about two years ago was good and you don't need to know anything recent to read it. You should be familiar with Kraven's Last Hunt though. I think these were the first spidey books I bought as a kid.

 
I have read a lot of spidey, most of the best stories were out in Amazing.

I have about 250 issues of Amazing, ranging from #250 to 550.

Spectacular I think of have 180 of the 220 issue run.

I have all of Web, which was about 100 issues

And most of Spiderman, which was around 90 I think.

There were a bunch of newer titles also, like Friendly Neighborhood Spidey and Sensational Spiderman.

At one point in the 90s they had all four titles running and the story arcs spanned them all, so you had to buy them all if you wanted to read it. I was in university at the time and not collecting, I picked up most of the issues from that span a few years ago.

I stopped collecting again last year, mostly because I was spending about $150 a month. There are many good storylines but that is just to much to justify on a comic book hobby. They also rebooted Spidey in the books a few years ago with One More Day and I wasnt a fan of that storyline or the new direction.

The Grim Hunt syory arc from about two years ago was good and you don't need to know anything recent to read it. You should be familiar with Kraven's Last Hunt though. I think these were the first spidey books I bought as a kid.
Stupid retcon of the fallout from Civil War, another stupid arc where Marvel ruined a lot of their comics. What DC did, and more specifically Morrison, did to Batman during the 52 arc and the aftermath with Bruce dying and then all the nonsense after he came back is just as bad. I really hate when Marvel and DC do this type of thing to shake things up. It almost always comes down to a universe wide retcon of changes that were made.
 
I find it weird that comic book fans are upset by a reboot that tells a different story.

Marvel has like a billion different universes and story lines I feel like they are just copying comic books.

 
What is the reasoning with all those different story lines in comics?I grew up with The Amazing Spiderman and then fell off in the late 80's and never returned because of all the alternate spiderman comics. It just got too muddled for me.
Yes, i grew up with Amazing too... but when i started reading at like 11 y.o. we were on the black suit story line.In the torrent era i went back and acquired ish 1 through 500.I'm on like ish 70also the answer to your question is always: money
Collecting got expensive too when they starting putting out Bi-monthly comics.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.

Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.

 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
 
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
which is why an arc where Gwen Stacy dies and exploring the aftermath could be interesting.but they had the goblin die in spiderman 1 (via self impalement - consistent with the comics) and dropped MJ from the bridge in a situation in which she doesn't die (not consistent)it's interesting what they felt compelled to keep consistent with the story vs. what they decided to change.
 
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
which is why an arc where Gwen Stacy dies and exploring the aftermath could be interesting.but they had the goblin die in spiderman 1 (via self impalement - consistent with the comics) and dropped MJ from the bridge in a situation in which she doesn't die (not consistent)it's interesting what they felt compelled to keep consistent with the story vs. what they decided to change.
It is.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
I would conceed that among all of the superheroes, Batman is best suited for the darkness, but I just feel the Dark Knight movies go a touch too far. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but something is just off to me. But, I am definitely not a comic book afficianado, collector, or purest. My superhero baptism was old school cheese like the Adam West Batman, Christopher Reeves' Superman, and the Amazing Spiderman Saturday morning cartoon.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
I would conceed that among all of the superheroes, Batman is best suited for the darkness, but I just feel the Dark Knight movies go a touch too far. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but something is just off to me. But, I am definitely not a comic book afficianado, collector, or purest. My superhero baptism was old school cheese like the Adam West Batman, Christopher Reeves' Superman, and the Amazing Spiderman Saturday morning cartoon.
Yeah but that was high quality cheese.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
I would conceed that among all of the superheroes, Batman is best suited for the darkness, but I just feel the Dark Knight movies go a touch too far. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but something is just off to me. But, I am definitely not a comic book afficianado, collector, or purest. My superhero baptism was old school cheese like the Adam West Batman, Christopher Reeves' Superman, and the Amazing Spiderman Saturday morning cartoon.
Yeah but that was high quality cheese.
I watch the Adam West Batman on HUB sometimes at night. Man is it laughably bad sometimes. As a kid, I loved it though. I guess that's what they were going for? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are great movies, comicbook or otherwise.
 
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Actually the darkness is what has made this Batman story arc nearly a masterpiece. I would love to see them get into Stark's dark side as he has one. Same with Spiderman. Almost all Marvel heroes are in some way flawed. It's those flaws and their ability to overcome them that make them interesting to me.
I would conceed that among all of the superheroes, Batman is best suited for the darkness, but I just feel the Dark Knight movies go a touch too far. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but something is just off to me. But, I am definitely not a comic book afficianado, collector, or purest. My superhero baptism was old school cheese like the Adam West Batman, Christopher Reeves' Superman, and the Amazing Spiderman Saturday morning cartoon.
Yeah but that was high quality cheese.
I watch the Adam West Batman on HUB sometimes at night. Man is it laughably bad sometimes. As a kid, I loved it though. I guess that's what they were going for? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are great movies, comicbook or otherwise.
Yeah we get it on ME TV down here. I watch it now and have to laugh but when I was kid that was serious business.
 
Can we put the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reveals in spoiler tags please?

As far as Avengers goes, I agree that the overall arc was a bit cheesy, and it was extremely annoying that the ending was...

the cheap and overused destroy-command-ship-to-power-down-all-units.
That said, the movie as a whole was awesome. Great action, great humor, great times. A great summer popcorn movie.

 
I watch the Adam West Batman on HUB sometimes at night. Man is it laughably bad sometimes. As a kid, I loved it though. I guess that's what they were going for? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are great movies, comicbook or otherwise.
Yeah we get it on ME TV down here. I watch it now and have to laugh but when I was kid that was serious business.
Was Adam West Batman trying to be intentionally campy/funny, or was it unintentional? I always thought it was unintentional but heard some recent interviews that might lead the other way.
 
I watch the Adam West Batman on HUB sometimes at night. Man is it laughably bad sometimes. As a kid, I loved it though. I guess that's what they were going for? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are great movies, comicbook or otherwise.
Yeah we get it on ME TV down here. I watch it now and have to laugh but when I was kid that was serious business.
Was Adam West Batman trying to be intentionally campy/funny, or was it unintentional? I always thought it was unintentional but heard some recent interviews that might lead the other way.
I'm not sure. I heard a story that he was upset he wasn't considered for the role when Tim Burton made his movies. If he doesn't understand why he wasn't considered for those movies, I'm not sure I'd buy it if he said he was being intentionally campy.
 
I watch the Adam West Batman on HUB sometimes at night. Man is it laughably bad sometimes. As a kid, I loved it though. I guess that's what they were going for? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are great movies, comicbook or otherwise.
Yeah we get it on ME TV down here. I watch it now and have to laugh but when I was kid that was serious business.
Was Adam West Batman trying to be intentionally campy/funny, or was it unintentional? I always thought it was unintentional but heard some recent interviews that might lead the other way.
I'm not sure. I heard a story that he was upset he wasn't considered for the role when Tim Burton made his movies. If he doesn't understand why he wasn't considered for those movies, I'm not sure I'd buy it if he said he was being intentionally campy.
The TV series was pretty bad, but not radically awful compared to other series around that time (Shazam comes to mind). The Batman movie though was so awful that it's tough to fathom that half of the bits weren't tongue-in-cheek.
 
Can we put the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reveals in spoiler tags please?As far as Avengers goes, I agree that the overall arc was a bit cheesy, and it was extremely annoying that the ending was...

the cheap and overused destroy-command-ship-to-power-down-all-units.
That said, the movie as a whole was awesome. Great action, great humor, great times. A great summer popcorn movie.

That was just a means to wrap things up quickly and cleanly. The real ending is that they figured out that they could close the portal using the staff to break through the shields of the tesserack cube. Once that portal is closed the Avengers wouldn't have had any problems wiping out the remainder of the aliens who had made it through already. No one needed to see more alien bashing after an already long battle scene. Having a few moments of peace and quiet where they could crack a few jokes made for a better ending.
 
Can we put the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reveals in spoiler tags please?As far as Avengers goes, I agree that the overall arc was a bit cheesy, and it was extremely annoying that the ending was...

the cheap and overused destroy-command-ship-to-power-down-all-units.
That said, the movie as a whole was awesome. Great action, great humor, great times. A great summer popcorn movie.
That was just a means to wrap things up quickly and cleanly. The real ending is that they figured out that they could close the portal using the staff to break through the shields of the tesserack cube. Once that portal is closed the Avengers wouldn't have had any problems wiping out the remainder of the aliens who had made it through already. No one needed to see more alien bashing after an already long battle scene. Having a few moments of peace and quiet where they could crack a few jokes made for a better ending.
:goodposting:
It would have been anticlimactic to show them easily dispatching the remaining aliens.
 
'FreeBaGeL said:
Can we put the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reveals in spoiler tags please?
All that has been talked about is the trailer. The Gwen discussion was referencing what happened in the comics more than 30 years ago.
 
'FreeBaGeL said:
Can we put the upcoming Amazing Spider Man reveals in spoiler tags please?
All that has been talked about is the trailer. The Gwen discussion was referencing what happened in the comics more than 30 years ago.
Agreed. if you didn't know she died in the comics and that it was kind of a landmark issue then it's cool.. but you don't really know the character that well.Do we still have to spoiler alert to this day that Vader is Luke's Dad? Ooops... sorry.In other news, the titanic sinks, andy dufrense escaped from prison, and marty mcfly does in fact make it back to the future (his present)
 
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'dickey moe said:
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Yes, most comic book movies have silly plots. I thought the plots in the Batman and Iron Man movies were pretty good. The Avengers, based on Loki as a villain, exploiting the Tesseract [spelling?] or whatever it is, to unleash villains from outerspace via the Tesseract/wormhole was unnecessarily silly. In other words, the source of evil/villains could've been more simply done and still resulted in a cool story/movie.
 
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'dickey moe said:
Wife and I saw the flic last night. Had to sit in the third row, so that sucked.Action was cool. Hulk was really cool. The plot was totally silly. Left a little underwhelmed.
You thought the plot was silly? It's a comic book movie, what were you expecting? I actually felt like it was totally a plot I could have seen on Saturday morning years ago, just move fully developed and with better graphics.One of my favorite aspects of the movie was that I felt it didn't take itself too seriously. I like the current Batman franchise, but not as much as most, mainly because it's hard to take these dark, pretentious movies seriously with a guy in a bat costume.
Yes, most comic book movies have silly plots. I thought the plots in the Batman and Iron Man movies were pretty good. The Avengers, based on Loki as a villain, exploiting the Tesseract [spelling?] or whatever it is, to unleash villains from outerspace via the Tesseract/wormhole was unnecessarily silly. In other words, the source of evil/villains could've been more simply done and still resulted in a cool story/movie.
Its not a Loki option... Its a Thanos option. :football: The Avengers defend Earth, not toss and tumble with local clown or thalidomide reject.
 
How are they going to handle this Thanos angle and the Infinity Gauntlet?

Didn't he kill half the life on Earth including the Avengers and Fantastic Four?

 
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How are they going to handle this Thanos angle and the Infinity Gauntlet?Didn't he kill half the life on Earth including the Avengers and Fantastic Four?
Well the Gauntlet seems to be in Asgard right now. We do have a Thor 2 coming so maybe they will continue to tie plot lines in and then resolve them in the Avengers.
 
Do we still have to spoiler alert to this day that Vader is Luke's Dad? Ooops... sorry.

In other news, the titanic sinks, andy dufrense escaped from prison, and marty mcfly does in fact make it back to the future (his present)
What do any of those have to do with spoilers for an upcoming movie that hasn't released yet? If it's in the trailers then that's fine (I hadn't seen the second one yet so I didn't know) but your comment here makes no sense.
 
Do we still have to spoiler alert to this day that Vader is Luke's Dad? Ooops... sorry.

In other news, the titanic sinks, andy dufrense escaped from prison, and marty mcfly does in fact make it back to the future (his present)
What do any of those have to do with spoilers for an upcoming movie that hasn't released yet? If it's in the trailers then that's fine (I hadn't seen the second one yet so I didn't know) but your comment here makes no sense.
We haven't really revealed anything here beyond basic foundational plot points that you can get from the trailer. And then trashed them.
 
Finally saw this. Wasn't that impressed. I mean it's a good movie but I was expecting much more based on the buzz.

Was expecting to see the greatest superhero movie by miles and just saw one of the better ones. They did Hulk right though.

 
I guess my kids are extremely sheltered.. Maybe its different for boys, but several of you have also mentioned taking your young girls to see this.I cant fathom taking my 8 and 5 yr old daughters to see this. More a statement on me than on you guys.. I guess we are just behind the curve.Any suggestions on a superhero movie to start with for my 8 yr old? I havent seen many of these films, but enjoyed Avengers.Thanks.
I took my son to Revenge of the Sith in 2005. He was three. :unsure:
My 3yo daughter has seen that at home. "Daddy, can we watch the one where Anakin's back gets burnt real bad?"
 

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