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The future of the Republican Party: Wipeout? (1 Viewer)
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Now where's the followup video showing all of their flip-flops where they grovel and lavish praise upon Trump?
I still wonder if when they go in the voting booth knowing no one will ever know, will not vote for Trump. They are scared of his attacks via tweets and the GOP voters. I think they want this nightmare over as bad as most of the rest of us. Why didn’t/don’t voters feel the same way?
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Drunken Cowboy
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The General
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adonis
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And they are lying about it to cling to power, tolerating Trump's lies and terrible behavior because they think it benefits them politically.
Shameless, unethical, immoral spineless cowards focused only on holding onto power and not protecting all Americans.
gianmarco
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Which is why I've said before that they are far more to blame than Trump himself. He couldn't have "accomplished" all he has without their help and support.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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Workhorse
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No policy ideas, no governing principles, no ideological underpinning, no plans, no creativity...
They are literally now the party of NOTHING.
Rich Conway
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Old school Republicans will need to stand up to the Trump sycophants or the party will become more extreme and, to be frank, QAnon conspiracy minded. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy as long as elected party members continue to go along out of fear of reprisal. That is, the party espouses more extreme "deep-state" nonsense, which causes thoughtful conservatives to back away. That in turn leads to more nonsense-peddling candidates, since thoughtful ones no longer wish to be associated. If straight-line party voters continue to vote party over substance, that leads to crazier reps in safe seats, which continues the cycle. We're seeing this now, in this year's primaries, as espoused QAnon types win.
The only way out is for Trump to lose, and remaining thoughtful Republican voices to repudiate him and his supporters.
The only way out is for Trump to lose, and remaining thoughtful Republican voices to repudiate him and his supporters.
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A video by Majority Report interview with Ex-Republican startegest and Lincoln Project’s Stuart Stevens):
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tl;dw: this is what wa lot of us have been saying for several years now. The future of America will belong to the progressive (AOC/Sanders) , and liberal/centrist (Biden) wings of the Democratic Party as the Republican party becomes increasingly irrelevant.
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tl;dw: this is what wa lot of us have been saying for several years now. The future of America will belong to the progressive (AOC/Sanders) , and liberal/centrist (Biden) wings of the Democratic Party as the Republican party becomes increasingly irrelevant.
Manster
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Fight The Power!
Normally this would be a huge scandal. Any conservatives give a #### about this or just a free pass for the Trump admin again?
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/congressional-investigation-finds-over-1-billion-ppp-fraud-n1239001?
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/congressional-investigation-finds-over-1-billion-ppp-fraud-n1239001?
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This country is designed to work best when there is a two party balance. If one party becomes too powerful, then the other party regroups, rebrands, and forms a coalition with moderate members of the party in power.
In other words, if the AOC faction gains control of the Democratic party, then the Republicans will regroup and rebrand itself along with conservative Democrats who are disillusioned by socialist leanings of the party.
KiddLattimer
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I mean we're kinda already there... Not much differences between much of the Dem establishment and Republicans pre 2016.
The only wild card of course is what happens to the GOP when Trump loses or finishes his second term, but I suspect your scenario plays out sooner than later.
How about we let the AOCs of the world have the democratic party, the Tea party/Trumpkins have the republican party and form a new party made up of centrist democrats and so called RINOS....... If so I pick the middle party.
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Thunderlips
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Meh.
If Trump wins in 2020...he'll have a good shot at replacing 2 more SCJs(Thomas Bader-Ginsburg)....with an outside shot of replacing 4 (Breyer isn't a spring chicken; Alito is 70 and depending on political loyalties might see the need to retire). Presumably if Trump wins...he'll retain the Senate. He might not be able to take back the House in 2020......but; he could use that as a rallying cry in 2022. Between all of that and him pushing more lower level judges.....even when there would be a 2024 nationwide political correction; the judiciary will hold the line for Conservativism in this country for 15 years past 2024.
If Trump loses badly in 2020.....the RNC will jettison the Populist vibe of Trumpism....lick its wounds until 2022 and then bounce back to the 2024 election cycle with young," Reaganesque" talent.... Haley/Scott/Crenshaw. Depending on the status of the DNC....this will definitely bring back Lincoln Project Republicans and will intrigue Centrists in the country; particularly if there is a public exorcism of Trump Populism from the Party.
Worst case scenario for Republicans in 2020 is if it's a close election or Trump loses and doesn't want to retire. Then you're going to have 4 more years of Trump tweeting about running again in 2024.
Republicans/Conservatism will be fine in this country as long as Trump wins or loses and then stays away; be it on twitter or the voting booth in 2024.
Manster
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I'm just not excited about the big picture vibe of the up and coming left. The whole entitled/victim thing doesn't work for me.
The Commish
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Then you aren't excited about the left OR the right...I mean, at the moment, the biggest "entitled/victim" song is being sung in the Oval Office. I tend to agree with you, that the narrative is tiring, but it is not exclusive to "the left". I don't agree with "up and coming" either...it's already here.
Manster
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I'm belong to no party and I lean right.....Libertarian is prolly closest to my view of things.......so yea, whiny millennial, city dwelling hipsters, are not my fave.
The Commish
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Not sure what this has to do with the post you quoted in response to your comment. It seemed like you thought the "entitlement/victim" card was unique to the left. It's not. Plenty of whiny suburban/rural millennials out there too
Seems like it's just "people younger than you" that you have a problem with based on these two posts.
Manster
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I'm just going by what I observe. It's the brainwashing of our the newer generations to believe in equality of outcomes not just opportunities......I think this mostly a leftist tactic.Not sure what this has to do with the post you quoted in response to your comment. It seemed like you thought the "entitlement/victim" card was unique to the left. It's not. Plenty of whiny suburban/rural millennials out there too
Seems like it's just "people younger than you" that you have a problem with based on these two posts.
The Commish
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Well, now the comments are evolving. Again, plenty of brainwashing going on in both groups. What they are being brainwashed with is different, sure, but both are pretty dangerous IMO.
Manster
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Not sure why it has to be....for example, if we stood against the brainwashing in general rather than just one specific "side" then it becomes rather difficult to get off subject with "whataboutism" and the like.Manster said:
Manster
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Right, but it's more complex than that.......if it were that easy, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Beyond brainwashing, we tend to be around like minded people who reinforce our views. And there is pressure to maintain those views, or be an outcast amongst your peers. We say we want equality, but in reality we want people to think like us.....who is being marginalized just shifts with the prevailing tide of the day.
My friends and family are fairly diverse politically. I can honestly say that the more conservative ones are more tolerant, and don't really care what other people do.........the more liberal are the ones who are aggressively pushing and calling people out........there are outliers on either side, but again this is my observation.
Manster
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But if you get the opportunity, and you squander it, that's an individual responsibility problem, not a systemic problem.
caustic
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If we could somehow provide truly equal opportunity to a generation of people, and have all of their outcomes decided purely on “merit,” that may seem fair for that generation. But it means that the following generation has very unequal opportunity through no fault of their own. That’s why I don’t think we can really pick between “equality of opportunity” and “equality of outcomes.” To some extent, we can’t have one without the other.
(I put “equality of outcomes” in quotes because true equality of outcomes is practically impossible, and nobody is really advocating for it. But raising the floor for possible outcomes could do a lot to provide more equal opportunity for following generations.)
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The Future Champs
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The RNC can only wish it had enough influence to do this. The rural white non college voters that Trump brought to the party aren’t going to reject populism, and they’re going to reject the GOP if they don’t get their way. There will be plenty of GOP candidates in 2024 looking to capture this voting bloc. Furthermore, even a crushing defeat will be rationalized away, as the rank and file will blame rigged voting, fake news, the COVID crisis, and (maybe) Trump’s many failures, both as a person and as POTUS.
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As one who's constantly harping on self awareness and self esteem, it's pretty easy. The only reason it's not is because people are uncomfortable being on an island. That's not an issue with anyone but the individual. I stick out like a sore thumb in my family now because of the sprint the "conservatives" have made to the right since Obama took office. Though my views haven't changed significantly since then and I've never voted for a Democrat for President ever, I'm labeled a liberal whacko even though my beliefs today are pretty much the same ones my family shared with me just a decade ago. I'm ok with that. I don't care that they don't agree with me.
Reality is, it's just that simple. If we held politicians to a standard we determine acceptable rather than "who's less bad of the lot" we'd be further along. You can give me all the reasons in the world why one doesn't want to do that and I'd agree that those are probably legit reasons why people choose to be brainwashed. But none of that should distract from the fact that it's a CHOICE. And it's a CHOICE for both "sides" in this. Change your mindset and things change quickly in this country IMO. This isn't some insurmountable problem that we can't overcome. It's a CHOICE.
In my personal anecdotal family, we don't have a problem with tolerance. We all love each other and get along even though I disagree with them on just about everything now. I've never really agreed with the liberal version of things and the conservatives left me in the dust. The "conservatives" struggle with hypocrisy and logic in most instances. The "liberals" struggle with empathy and hypocrisy. They both "call each other out" but it never goes anywhere because neither side will acknowledge their shortcomings. It's tough for the liberals to understand how someone who professes to love the military would be a draft dodger saying such horrible things about our vets and the conservatives can't understand how the liberals aren't pissed that "do as I say, not as I do" seems to be prevalent in their party. They pretty much ignore me because I tend to keep it on the topic/subject rather than the "side" and they don't know what to do with that. I have no problem saying that Pelosi is a turd in it for herself and likes playing games more than getting things done and that Trump is the most morally corrupt dofus we've ever had as President in my lifetime.
Thunderlips
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Jettison is a word that speaks more on the vibe/ideology than the actual people. For all intents and purposes, those people Trump brought in are Republicans going forward. They might not vote some years as some lose interest.......but if they're in the political game....they'll find something to like about the RNC candidate and support him/her. I think Tim Scott would have problems gaining traction with some of them.....but a Dan Crenshaw?....Come on...they'll lap him up like soup.
The Future Champs
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I disagree with the “always” part of this statement, as their general reaction to Trump’s surprise win was to blame Hillary for being a ####ty candidate and running a badly planned campaign. That said, yes, I’ve heard Democrats blame rigged voting before.
Rich Conway
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Personally, I place a ton of blame for our current state on HRC. Her awful candidacy made Trump POTUS.
Jobber
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Decades of the GOP beating into our heads that HRC, a moderate Democrat, is evil incarnate is the real reason she lost.
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