Yea not sure on this either. I'm also looking at Boss.
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The Gates Conundrum (1 Viewer)
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Oh god, out for the rest of the season, really? Has it come to this. He had a shot of playing this week and since he didn't he's gone for the whole season? I don't know about that. I'll concede that the injury is more serious that was previously thought but there's still 6 more games left. Even if he misses half he will be back in time for fantasy playoffs. Might be premature to say the chargers will sit him for the rest of the year so he can be ready during playoffs. You think he won't have any rust being out for 8 games? Plus it's not like the Chargers clinched their spot yet. They still have 3 division matchups coming up and Oakland and KC beat them before so it's not a given. If Gates can play, I think they play him. I don't think he plays this week though and perhaps next, but doubtful that he's out for the rest of the fantasy season because they are "saving" him for playoffs.
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I agree. The injury is very serious. But it's premature to start shoveling dirt on a guy in week 12 (who's been resting for 3 weeks).
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Doug B
Footballguy
I disagree -- he tried the foot in the event of a miracle, but he had no legitimate chance of taking the field. Just MHO, no facts or evidence
He's got a torn plantar fascia and as Gates himself said, it's not a "tough guy" injury that you shoot up and play through. The man's foot is biomechanically compromised (again, not a doctor, no medical expertise, no facts, no evidence). It's not a pain issue -- if were, he'd be playing. The dude's foot is hamburger, and can't provided the stability to push off explosively. That means no full-speed running and for sure no cutting.EDIT: Oh, and keep in mind that what was originally said was "out for the fantasy season" -- IOW, out until after most leagues' regular seasons are over (returning no sooner than Wk 15).
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
What is this based on? Originally it was said that this injury requires 3-4 weeks. He's getting that. Maybe he misses one more week, but I haven't seen anything that says he's out for the season (or through week 16)zoonation said:
There were weird quotes about how Gates was pissed that the injury was worse, and the recovery slower, than he was initially led to believe. That 3-4 weeks is the initial timeframe. Hence why people think he wont be back before the end of the year.
theoneandonly
Footballguy
Glad i picked up Tamme to backup Gates!
ourmanflint
Footballguy
This is what I come to the Shark Pool for. Just golden.
See, you have to clarify here when you make posts. Out for the fantasy season to me, means you get zero fantasy production from him the entire year and he is safe to drop in redraft. And it's easy to say he had no shot of playing after the fact but beforehand, there were quite a few people who thought he might play, even Gates himself. He had a shot, it just wasn't a good one or as good as we were led to believe.Doug B said:I disagree -- he tried the foot in the event of a miracle, but he had no legitimate chance of taking the field. Just MHO, no facts or evidencetigerz said:He's got a torn plantar fascia and as Gates himself said, it's not a "tough guy" injury that you shoot up and play through. The man's foot is biomechanically compromised (again, not a doctor, no medical expertise, no facts, no evidence). It's not a pain issue -- if were, he'd be playing. The dude's foot is hamburger, and can't provided the stability to push off explosively. That means no full-speed running and for sure no cutting.
EDIT: Oh, and keep in mind that what was originally said was "out for the fantasy season" -- IOW, out until after most leagues' regular seasons are over (returning no sooner than Wk 15).
That being said, I can see him being out 2-3 more weeks but he still has value to fantasy owners.
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Interesting speculation on the audible waiver wire podcast - apparently the source of the weird quote above about his disappointment with the new info is very credible (same Reporter who broke the travis Henry pot news a couple of years ago), and Cecil and bloom's feeling was that reading between the lines in this quote means that gates may have been told that season-ending surgery is on the table, but that it is his choice whether he wants to try to play through it. I'm not doing the full conversation justice, so I'd highly recommend listening to it for the details. In any event, it sucks that mcmichael isn't looking like a viable replacement, and most of sd's games are late / at night.
shadyridr
Footballguy
These are the tweets
unckeyherb
Footballguy
So he played this weekend, but didn't finish. I didn't see the game, but from what I am reading, he didn't look like he was able to cut much. Any insight from someone that saw the game? I am assuming this is another one of those wait and see things. i am cautiously optimistic that he played though.
Very cautiously
Very cautiously
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Doug B
Footballguy
I saw most of the game, but didn't catch any glimpses of Gates' route running. I'd be interested in third-party observations of his routes, cutting ability, takeoff from the LOS, etc. Even if his foot were totally anesthesized and he were pain-free at kickoff, how stable can his torn-fascia foot be?Still in all, he started and caught four balls.So he played this weekend, but didn't finish. I didn't see the game, but from what I am reading, he didn't look like he was able to cut much. Any insight from someone that saw the game? I am assuming this is another one of those wait and see things. i am cautiously optimistic that he played though. Very cautiously
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I only saw him run one route (I wasn't watching the game too closely). He didn't look anywhere near 100% on that route. He looked like his was running on half a foot. Still, he's so talented I won't be surprised if his painful trots still result in quality fantasy outings. The fact he still had 40+ yards means if he plays, he's in my lineup.
crowe1130
Footballguy
Agreed on both the evaluation and strategy. I wonder if he would have come out in a closer game.
T J
Footballguy
Was at the game and focused my binoculars on him a bunch (have him on my best team and wanted to get a first hand look).
He wasn't in much at all - maybe 20 percent of the plays, if that. It was mainly McMichael.
He clearly didn't look right. Maybe if it woulda been a closer game he would have found his way into more plays. Probably better for him that he was able to get a bit more rest.
Not sure if that helps. He was on Sirius NFL Radio today and said it hurts a great deal and he's just hoping it responds to treatment during the week. Honestly did not sound real positive though - just my take on what he said.
He wasn't in much at all - maybe 20 percent of the plays, if that. It was mainly McMichael.
He clearly didn't look right. Maybe if it woulda been a closer game he would have found his way into more plays. Probably better for him that he was able to get a bit more rest.
Not sure if that helps. He was on Sirius NFL Radio today and said it hurts a great deal and he's just hoping it responds to treatment during the week. Honestly did not sound real positive though - just my take on what he said.
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
Any local word on how he's doing?
ETA: Just found this on CBS
News: Chargers TE Antonio Gates (foot) missed practice on Wednesday and does not plan to practice for the remainder of the week heading into the Week 13 game against the Raiders. Gates played against the Colts on Sunday but made no promises that he will play this week. “It all depends on how I feel Saturday night going into Sunday,” Gates said. He has missed two games with the injury.
ETA: Just found this on CBS
News: Chargers TE Antonio Gates (foot) missed practice on Wednesday and does not plan to practice for the remainder of the week heading into the Week 13 game against the Raiders. Gates played against the Colts on Sunday but made no promises that he will play this week. “It all depends on how I feel Saturday night going into Sunday,” Gates said. He has missed two games with the injury.
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I heard on an interview he did on Xm radio that he was still in some pain (expected). But that he think it can only get better and not worse, also said that it was just matter of "pain tolerance" right before the game.
I actually missed the first part of the interview, did anyone hear it?
I actually missed the first part of the interview, did anyone hear it?
Gotta play him yes but at least you'll know if he's active and how he looks at gametime.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I watched Gates as closely as I could on TV last week. As others have said, he wasn't on the field much. He did seem to cut well when he wanted to later in the game, and made a very nice catch to get the ball down to the three yard line. He nearly scored on that play. I thought he was open a couple of plays later for a TD, but Rivers didn't have time to get him the ball if I remember correctly.
I don't even remember a target heading Gates' way in the first half.
Last I saw him, he limped off the field though, and didn't return. The game was well in hand for the Chargers at that point however, and they basically ran the ball 90% of the time from there on anyway.
As a Gates owner myself, I am very concerned about his ability to finish games going forward. He's definitely in a lot of pain, and didn't look right until the 3rd quarter.
I don't even remember a target heading Gates' way in the first half.
Last I saw him, he limped off the field though, and didn't return. The game was well in hand for the Chargers at that point however, and they basically ran the ball 90% of the time from there on anyway.
As a Gates owner myself, I am very concerned about his ability to finish games going forward. He's definitely in a lot of pain, and didn't look right until the 3rd quarter.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Christ, this guy hasn't had a 1pm Sunday game since week 7 and only has one game left where you don't have to gamble on his game time decision status. Once again i need to make a decision waaay early, with Dreesen playing tonight. Either I start him with the expectation that he scores me 4-6 points or roll the dice and hope that Gates plays at 4pm on Sunday.
The fact that he played last week makes me feel like he'll play out the remainder of the season and if he plays, he starts no matter what. Here's to hoping the worst is behind him
The fact that he played last week makes me feel like he'll play out the remainder of the season and if he plays, he starts no matter what. Here's to hoping the worst is behind him
Cenobite
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat too and am starting Gates. I read on Roto that Gates said he felt "better than expected" following the game. I think that bodes well for his availibility this week.Christ, this guy hasn't had a 1pm Sunday game since week 7 and only has one game left where you don't have to gamble on his game time decision status. Once again i need to make a decision waaay early, with Dreesen playing tonight. Either I start him with the expectation that he scores me 4-6 points or roll the dice and hope that Gates plays at 4pm on Sunday. The fact that he played last week makes me feel like he'll play out the remainder of the season and if he plays, he starts no matter what. Here's to hoping the worst is behind him
True indeed...this is still getting tiresome.I would almost prefer they sit him against Oakland.
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
This has been my biggest concern. He played, "left early", and then we've had crickets chirping since then. I'd like to hear some more out of San Diego about his progress, how he feels compared to last week, etc. Apparently the Chargers do not publish a fantasy newsletter, however. How rude.I'm in the same boat too and am starting Gates. I read on Roto that Gates said he felt "better than expected" following the game. I think that bodes well for his availibility this week.Christ, this guy hasn't had a 1pm Sunday game since week 7 and only has one game left where you don't have to gamble on his game time decision status. Once again i need to make a decision waaay early, with Dreesen playing tonight. Either I start him with the expectation that he scores me 4-6 points or roll the dice and hope that Gates plays at 4pm on Sunday.
The fact that he played last week makes me feel like he'll play out the remainder of the season and if he plays, he starts no matter what. Here's to hoping the worst is behind him
The lastest and greatest ...Good Luck..
12/02/2010 1:58 PM -
Chargers TE Antonio Gates (feet) is “undecided” about playing against the Raiders.
SOURCE: SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
Analysis:
Gates admits he doesn’t “want it to be a lingering thing through the season.” Gates didn’t look bad in limited action against the Colts last weekend, but it’s looking like owners will have to either take a chance, or leave him on the bench since the game against Oakland is in the late afternoon. Right now we think he plays.
I wouldn't start him, unless you don't have better or limitied options...
12/02/2010 1:58 PM -
Chargers TE Antonio Gates (feet) is “undecided” about playing against the Raiders.
SOURCE: SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
Analysis:
Gates admits he doesn’t “want it to be a lingering thing through the season.” Gates didn’t look bad in limited action against the Colts last weekend, but it’s looking like owners will have to either take a chance, or leave him on the bench since the game against Oakland is in the late afternoon. Right now we think he plays.
I wouldn't start him, unless you don't have better or limitied options...
I think he playsThe lastest and greatest ...Good Luck..
12/02/2010 1:58 PM -
Chargers TE Antonio Gates (feet) is “undecided” about playing against the Raiders.
SOURCE: SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
Analysis:
Gates admits he doesn’t “want it to be a lingering thing through the season.” Gates didn’t look bad in limited action against the Colts last weekend, but it’s looking like owners will have to either take a chance, or leave him on the bench since the game against Oakland is in the late afternoon. Right now we think he plays.
I wouldn't start him, unless you don't have better or limitied options...
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Gotta start Pettigrew. In Stanton's only extensive action back in week 6 @ NYG, he went 7-61-0. That would seem to be the absolute ceiling for Gates if he plays (and more wishful thinking).
T J
Footballguy
I agree and just my opinion only, I think they sit him. I think they can beat the Raiders without him and that the Chargers rest him to let it heal a bit more. They're on a run right now and playing arguably as well as anyone in the AFC, if not the NFL. They may feel they can make a run at the SB but not without Gates being at his max strength (whatever that ends up being for him with the injury) down the stretch and into the playoffs. I think I start Winslow and hope the Chargers sit him. That said - if I do hear early enough something positive and that he's playing (and not just playing, but moving well, etc...), I'm starting him instead.The lastest and greatest ...Good Luck..
12/02/2010 1:58 PM -
Chargers TE Antonio Gates (feet) is “undecided” about playing against the Raiders.
SOURCE: SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
Analysis:
Gates admits he doesn’t “want it to be a lingering thing through the season.” Gates didn’t look bad in limited action against the Colts last weekend, but it’s looking like owners will have to either take a chance, or leave him on the bench since the game against Oakland is in the late afternoon. Right now we think he plays.
I wouldn't start him, unless you don't have better or limitied options...
unckeyherb
Footballguy
yeah I chickened out last night and started Dreesen. I also happen to think that they know they can win this week without him and in an effort to get him as healthy as possible for late in the season, they just sit him. At this point, I hope they do.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
There will be no meaningful games later in the season if they don't keep pace with KC. Their current games are about as important as they come. Whether or not he plays, I have no idea. But I think that if he can go, he goes.
tonyftony716
Footballguy
I agree. I think every game is huge for them and nothing is a given at this point. They may pull him out if they are ahead big but I would be surprised if he doesn't go.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
When you look at the Chargers situation- they have 3 games in a row at home (2 vs div rivals- KC and OAK) and must keep pace with KC. AG would have to play through the pain for the rest of the season. He might be able to sit out a game or two when the Chargers play a non-conf game.
I am no medical professional but I understand human mechanics and anatomy and this is an injury that is not going away until after the season ends for SD. Add into the mix that any kind of compensation or OVER compensation can and will create the potential for another injury.
I am looking at a change of offensive strategy w SD as well. They might start to play the run game more while leaning on a defense to make plays, pin teams back and create favorable field position. Of course, if they fall behind they will have to throw. I have been studying multiple FF sights and there is not a lot of confident picks on the current SD WR situation. It is a bit of a mystery as to who is healthy and who is going to get a shot. Looks like the running game again. But if Gates is going to play he might just be a 3rd down- red zone play either as a decoy or a legitimate target.
I think that he plays against the Raiders and KC and sits against the 49'ers. I grabbed Shiancoe as a BU this week as the Bills are second overall defense to play your TE against (1st in TDs and 4th in yards). I see the Viking game turning into a shootout if AP cannot go. I dropped Graham but I am forced to BU Gates based on the MU for the upcoming weeks.
I am no medical professional but I understand human mechanics and anatomy and this is an injury that is not going away until after the season ends for SD. Add into the mix that any kind of compensation or OVER compensation can and will create the potential for another injury.
I am looking at a change of offensive strategy w SD as well. They might start to play the run game more while leaning on a defense to make plays, pin teams back and create favorable field position. Of course, if they fall behind they will have to throw. I have been studying multiple FF sights and there is not a lot of confident picks on the current SD WR situation. It is a bit of a mystery as to who is healthy and who is going to get a shot. Looks like the running game again. But if Gates is going to play he might just be a 3rd down- red zone play either as a decoy or a legitimate target.
I think that he plays against the Raiders and KC and sits against the 49'ers. I grabbed Shiancoe as a BU this week as the Bills are second overall defense to play your TE against (1st in TDs and 4th in yards). I see the Viking game turning into a shootout if AP cannot go. I dropped Graham but I am forced to BU Gates based on the MU for the upcoming weeks.
If AP is out MINN will still run the ball with Gerhart, buffalo is horrible stopping the run, and the new coach's motive in minn is running and pounding (just like against the skins) this will not be a shoot out, plus farve can't even hit his targets right now...
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Possibly- but the Bills can score and put up plenty of yards
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I saw the same at CBS Sportsline- practiced Friday
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Neither, if those are the options.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Gutting it out playing in pain and he will contribute and more than likely raise the intensity level of his teammates in the process. I like the position the Chargers are in right now and if the defense can start to get the takeaways they are going to be entertaining to watch.
