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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (3 Viewers)

Gally said:
I don't know.  Team GallStein was discussing that internally and wasn't sure how it would be addressed.  That's why I asked the question hoping other's would chime in on how he would be scored and whether or not you had to pick one of his characters or if you got all of them.  What say the masses?
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Tim made it clear that the category is for characters not the actors.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Tim made it clear that the category is for characters not the actors.
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Correct which is why a guy like Conway is difficult to assess.  He was on a variety show where he was in skits so do you have to choose just one of the skits even though that format has significant minor characters?  I think this is a bit of a grey area or at least it was in the discussions @Charlie Steiner and I had when coming up with our picks.  We didn't know so we stayed away.

Now that it has happened is it consensus that @Hov34 has to pick a specific Conway character from the Carol Burnett Show or does he get all of the characters he portrayed on the variety show?  I could see an argument for both sides.

 
Gally said:
Correct which is why a guy like Conway is difficult to assess.  He was on a variety show where he was in skits so do you have to choose just one of the skits even though that format has significant minor characters?  I think this is a bit of a grey area or at least it was in the discussions @Charlie Steiner and I had when coming up with our picks.  We didn't know so we stayed away.

Now that it has happened is it consensus that @Hov34 has to pick a specific Conway character from the Carol Burnett Show or does he get all of the characters he portrayed on the variety show?  I could see an argument for both sides.
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Not a gray area at all, IMHO. This has been covered in this thread a few times already.

In short: Actors can never be picked. There is no category in which you may select an actor.

 
Doug B said:
Not a gray area at all, IMHO. This has been covered in this thread a few times already.

In short: Actors can never be picked. There is no category in which you may select an actor.
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The gray area for me is that in a variety show there really aren't characters like in normal drama/sit com shows.  The actor is playing his role which includes many different characters so it's as if Tim Conway is the character but he is playing a bunch of different characters due to the show format.  Like I said, I can see it either way but wanted a clarification.  

It's why we stayed away from picking anybody like this.  I have no issues if that is what is decided just throwing it out for discussion.  

 
YMTV

Yo Mama’s TV reception was so janky, the only way they were allowed to stay up late to watch Taxi was if they stood and held the antenna at just the perfect angle. 
 

1950-1970

Leading Woman Comedy - Lucy Ricardo

Supporting Man - Barney Fife

1971-1990

Comedy - Taxi

Leading Woman Comedy - Edith Bunker

1991-2020

Leading Woman Drama - Carmela Soprano

Supporting Man - George Costanza

Misc

Science Fiction - Star Trek (original series)

Children's - Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood

Miniseries - Roots

Sports Personality - John Madden

Teen - Freaks and Geeks

Reality - American Idol

Action - Mission: Impossible

Variety / Live - The Tonight Show

Feeling pretty, pretty good with my shows and characters so far. Lots of my favorites that should hopefully all score well. 
 

 
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BobbyLayne said:
Now would be a good time to admit I haven’t owned a tv in 20 years?

Half kidding. But on average I watch very few shows and that’s been true my whole life. I got around to GoT

this summer. Outside of a handful of cable dramas - The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad - I haven’t watched hardly anything the last 20 years. More of a film and doc kind of guy.
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Hey, wait a second.....

 
14.09 Omar Little- Supporting Actor 1991-2020

“You come at the king, you best not miss.”

For his portrayal of Omar, Michael K. Williams was named by USA Today as one of ten reasons they still love television. The character was praised for his uniqueness in the stale landscape of TV crime dramas and for the wit and humor that Williams brought to the portrayal.

The Baltimore City Paper named the character one of their top ten reasons not to cancel the show and called him "arguably the show's single greatest achievement." Little appeared in Comcast's list of TV's Most Intriguing Characters, with the website stating that "no character is more enigmatic and shocking than Omar"

@mphtrilogy

 
My partner informs me I now have command of the Starship TripleLayne.

Brace for impact.

ETA: anyone can update the draft sheet in Google Drive / Google Docs / whatever it's called now? 

I might get us a caught up since I need to get a better handle on where this thing is at.

 
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14.10 - Alice Kramden - Leading Woman Comedy - 1950-70

“Ralph: [to Alice] I don't care if you've got any confidence, because I have enough confidence in me for the both of us!

Alice Kramden: You've got enough everything in you for the both of us.”
 

“Ralph: Just remember, you can't put you arms around a memory.

Alice: I can't even put my arms around you.”
 

“Ralph Kramden: Now, you know I'm not that kind of a man. I'm not the kind that eats and runs.

Alice Kramden: Eats and runs? The way you eat, you're lucky you can walk!”

“Ralph: Yessir, this is the time I'm gonna get my pot of gold.

Alice: Just go for the gold, you've already got the pot.”

“Ralph: You're the type of person that would bend way over to pick up a penny on the sidewalk. I wouldn't.

Alice: You couldn't.”

“Ralph: For the last time, Alice, I'm telling you, I'm going for the $99,000 question.

Alice: For the last time, Ralph, I'll be very happy if you win the 600 bucks.

Ralph: $600? Peanuts, peanuts! What am I gonna do with peanuts?

Alice: Eat 'em, like any other elephant.”

“Alice Kramden: Trixie hasn't had any sleep in three nights. If she doesn't get some rest soon, she's just gonna waste away to nothing.

Ralph Kramden: She didn't have any sleep in three nights? How about me? I haven't slept in three nights! She'll waste away? Don't you care if I waste away?

Alice Kramden: Yes, I care, Ralph! But you wouldn't waste away if you stayed awake for nine years.

Ralph Kramden: How would you like to waste away on the moon?”

“Ralph Kramden: Whatever happened to the sweet unspoiled girl I married before? Whatever happened to that girl, Alice? You remember what you said to me before we got married? 'Ralph, I'd be happy to live in a tent with you.'

Alice Kramden: I'm still willing. I think it'd be an improvement.

Ralph Kramden: Do you wanna go to the moon? Do you wanna go to the moon?

Alice Kramden: That would be an improvement, too.”

“Alice Kramden: Now you listen to me, Ralph. My mother is coming here and you're going to be nice to her.

Ralph Kramden: Be nice to her? That's impossible! We don't get along. We're enemies, natural enemies. Like a boa constrictor and a mongoose. She hates me, Alice!

Alice Kramden: Ralph, Mother doesn't hate you, that's your imagination.

Ralph Kramden: My imagination? I suppose it was my imagination the day we were married and she went around telling that joke about me!

Alice Kramden: What joke?

Ralph Kramden: You remember, you remember the joke she went around tellin' everyone about me!

Alice Kramden: No I don't remember, what joke?

Ralph Kramden: Oh, yes, you do. She ran around the reception tellin' everybody 'I'm not losing a daughter, I'm gaining a ton.'”
 
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tuffnutt said:
14.09 Omar Little- Supporting Actor 1991-2020

“You come at the king, you best not miss.”

For his portrayal of Omar, Michael K. Williams was named by USA Today as one of ten reasons they still love television. The character was praised for his uniqueness in the stale landscape of TV crime dramas and for the wit and humor that Williams brought to the portrayal.

The Baltimore City Paper named the character one of their top ten reasons not to cancel the show and called him "arguably the show's single greatest achievement." Little appeared in Comcast's list of TV's Most Intriguing Characters, with the website stating that "no character is more enigmatic and shocking than Omar"

@mphtrilogy
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Ugh, I experienced this in the sports draft too. This early mid-rounds see my preferred picks drop like flies. Great pick here. 

 
So much for being magnanimous. The sheet needs less than a handful of entries.

TripleLayne© on the clock (is there a clock?)

I will pick today...sooonish.

 
Gally said:
The gray area for me is that in a variety show there really aren't characters like in normal drama/sit com shows.
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I'd go so far as to say that variety-show characters are essentially de facto ineligible to be drafted. But I know Tim wouldn't say that.

 
14.09 Special Agent Fox Mulder - Leading Man, Drama, 1991-2020

“When convention and science offer no answers, might we not finally turn to the fantastic as a plausibility?”

Mulder gave voice to everyone who thought unexplained phenomena could be explained and he did it all while being very cool.

 
Pitchfork said:
Anyone else read this and immediately assume @AAABatteries got the PSF ban he's been so leery of the past few days. 
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:lmao:

me last week

we have a pact now - no more bans until after election night

he's disappearing from society for several days so I have to be good for a week or so

ETA: I recently got a warning for liking a post. #trustory that was a first.

 
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BobbyLayne said:
:lmao:

me last week

we have a pact now - no more bans until after election night

he's disappearing from society for several days so I have to be good for a week or so

ETA: I recently got a warning for liking a post. #trustory that was a first.
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I will literally be in the wilderness for 5 days but don't leave until early Wednesday morning.  We got such a big lead already that BL can take each season of Alf while I'm gone and we'll still be good.

 
This year I have been reading a little bit about WWI and it's really fascinating.

One character I am drawn to is Franz Xaver Josef Graf Conrad von Hötzendorf. CVH if you're an inside baseball kind of nerd.

At the time of the Great War the Austrian was thought of as a leading military strategist in the world, and this favorable view continued throughout the years leading up to WWII.

Today he is regarded as one of the worst generals of all-time, of any theater, in any war. 

This draft reminded me of him. Judging should be interesting, a lot of stuff we remember fondly might not be as awesome as we suppose it to be.

 
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How did you all handle things crossing time periods in the movie draft?

For example, lets say a show/character had 2 seasons in 50-70 and 5 seasons in 71-90. If I took that show/character, I’m assuming if I put them in 50-70 I’d be penalized by the judge for most of their work in another period. If I selected them for the 71-90 period, do I get “credit” for all 7 years or only what occurred in that period?

 
Yo Mama said:
How did you all handle things crossing time periods in the movie draft?

For example, lets say a show/character had 2 seasons in 50-70 and 5 seasons in 71-90. If I took that show/character, I’m assuming if I put them in 50-70 I’d be penalized by the judge for most of their work in another period. If I selected them for the 71-90 period, do I get “credit” for all 7 years or only what occurred in that period?
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Jessica Fletcher crossed the split 50/50.  I went with her early work.

 
Gally said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Tim made it clear that the category is for characters not the actors.
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Correct which is why a guy like Conway is difficult to assess.  He was on a variety show where he was in skits so do you have to choose just one of the skits even though that format has significant minor characters?  I think this is a bit of a grey area or at least it was in the discussions @Charlie Steiner and I had when coming up with our picks.  We didn't know so we stayed away.

Now that it has happened is it consensus that @Hov34 has to pick a specific Conway character from the Carol Burnett Show or does he get all of the characters he portrayed on the variety show?  I could see an argument for both sides.
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No worries, I'll throw Tim back.  It's a shame though that he won't be in this group.

 
Yo Mama said:
How did you all handle things crossing time periods in the movie draft?

For example, lets say a show/character had 2 seasons in 50-70 and 5 seasons in 71-90. If I took that show/character, I’m assuming if I put them in 50-70 I’d be penalized by the judge for most of their work in another period. If I selected them for the 71-90 period, do I get “credit” for all 7 years or only what occurred in that period?
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You get the whole thing, but it's also usually clear as to which era it belongs. 2 seasons in 50-70 and 5 seasons 71-90 is way more 71-90.

In the case of Jessica Fletcher, it's 50/50, but to me, it feels like an 80's show.

 
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Pick 14.15 - The Late Show with David Letterman (Category - Variety/Live Show)

You are typically a Letterman Guy or a Tonight Show Guy and i was always on the Letterman side..  It probably has a distinctive age line between the two but both should be in the top 5 of the category.

@Hov34 up for two picks

 
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