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The investigation investigations: DOJ exonerates McCabe (1 Viewer)

Maybe we should wait until the report is actually released in December. 
Fwiw I posted sections from the first Horowitz report in the FBI thread, I'll do the same for this one. There'll probably be a little something in it for everyone. Dems and Trumpers alike are probably gonna get some answers about the Weiner-Abedin email investigation, and I think the key for Trump supporters is that it will likely not be any of the big fish they want but there should be quite a few minnows. Ultimately be satisfied with the truth and hang your hat on the contents.

 
Fwiw I posted sections from the first Horowitz report in the FBI thread, I'll do the same for this one. There'll probably be a little something in it for everyone. Dems and Trumpers alike are probably gonna get some answers about the Weiner-Abedin email investigation, and I think the key for Trump supporters is that it will likely not be any of the big fish they want but there should be quite a few minnows. Ultimately be satisfied with the truth and hang your hat on the contents.
There are still reports to be released. That’s the fact. 

 
There are still reports to be released. That’s the fact. 
Horowitz already released Part 1, this is Part 2. Pretty sure he's done, unless he takes on Barr and his crew at Dems' request.

Huber and Durham are not tasked with reports, they're not special counsel. I'm not saying they won't produce them but since they're outside the usual DOJ procedure there's no structure they have to work within.

 
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Horowitz already released Part 1, this is Part 2.

Huber and Durham are not tasked with reports, they're not special counsel. I'm not saying they won't produce them but since they're outside the usual DOJ procedure there's no structure they have to work within.
There are still reports that will be released.

 
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Part of Barr’s reluctance to accept that finding is related to another investigation, one being conducted by Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham, into how intelligence agencies pursued allegations of Russian election tampering in 2016. Barr has traveled abroad to personally ask foreign officials to assist Durham in that work. Even as the inspector general’s review is ending, Durham’s investigation continues.
WAPO

 
This is really getting ridiculous.

  • Let's charge Comeyyyyy.... nope. No charges.
  • Let's charge McCabe..... nope no charges - by a grand jury no less!
  • Let's fire Strzok.... and he sues generating a paper trail.
  • Let's investigate Comey and Mueller and Hillary with Huber.... and he doesn't manage to interview anyone or even appear for hearings or write a sentence...
  • Let's get the IG to do it! Annnd Part 1 comes back with mean texts and some rules violations but nothing else.
  • Let's try again with Horowitz! Annnd Part 2 comes back with more rules violations and slopiness but zipp zer0 nada on Trump's claims.
  • Let's get a US Attorney from.... [checking notes] CONNECTICUT ... with no jurisdiction, no predicate and no statutory underpinning to do it.
Now Barr says Horowitz ain't really someone he trusts. How ridiculous is this going to get.

 
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Benghazi level?
Pffft, that was one committee in DC. Barr and Nunes have been to the UK, to Austria, to Italy... I think we're reaching supersonic levels of ridiculousness here. Not that it's not dangerous, it is, anything can happen. But at least Hillary showed the hell up, twice. Barr, Pompeo, Perry, none of these folks will show up for even one hearing much less two.

 
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Intel and Defense IGs Reaffirm Commitment to Protecting Whistleblowers During 'Searing Time'

In the wake of President Trump’s verbal and Twitter threats concerning the whistleblower who sparked the impeachment investigation, key government watchdogs publicly reaffirmed their commitment to protecting whistleblowers even as some of Trump’s supporters in Congress have pushed to unmask the individual, whose identity is protected by law. 

In their semi-annual reports to Congress on Monday, the Intelligence Community and Defense Intelligence Agency inspectors general said they are committed to protecting the integrity and safety of whistleblowers.

“The past few months have been a searing time for whistleblowers’ rights and protections. Much has been written and much has been said about whistleblowers recently, some of it accurate and helpful, and some not,” wrote Michael Atkinson, intelligence community inspector general, in his report. “Time will tell whether whistleblowers’ rights and protections will emerge from this period with the same legal, ethical, and moral strength they had previously. For my part, however, I am confident that those rights and protections will ultimately emerge stronger, and will not be diminished in any respect.”

Atkinson said those who speak up when they suspect wrongdoing benefit the government and they “should not suffer from or fear reprisal.” He added that the future of whistleblowers’ protections depends on the federal agencies and workforce being “consistent in word and deed,” as in “agencies cannot ignore the reports or block the channels” for whistleblowers’ reporting.

Defense Intelligence Agency Inspector General Kristi Waschull had a similar sentiment. “Our office continues to rely on employees and others who report concerns of fraud, waste, abuse, and gross mismanagement,” she wrote in her report. “Overall, maintaining confidentiality is of the utmost importance. We do not disclose the identity of any whistleblower without their consent—unless disclosure is unavoidable, as required by law.”
 
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This is really getting ridiculous.

  • Let's charge Comeyyyyy.... nope. No charges.
  • Let's charge McCabe..... nope no charges - by a grand jury no less!
  • Let's fire Strzok.... and he sues generating a paper trail.
  • Let's investigate Comey and Mueller and Hillary with Huber.... and he doesn't manage to interview anyone or even appear for hearings or write a sentence...
  • Let's get the IG to do it! Annnd Part 1 comes back with mean texts and some rules violations but nothing else.
  • Let's try again with Horowitz! Annnd Part 2 comes back with more rules violations and slopiness but zipp zer0 nada on Trump's claims.
  • Let's get a US Attorney from.... [checking notes] CONNECTICUT ... with no jurisdiction, no predicate and no statutory underpinning to do it.
Now Barr says Horowitz ain't really someone he trusts. How ridiculous is this going to get.
Meanwhile the king of all hype men continues to do what he does best... 

“So, you have a FISA report coming out, which the word is, it’s historic. That’s what the word is, that’s what I hear,” Trump said “Now, what you’re going to see, I predict, will be perhaps the biggest scandal in the history of our country,” he continued, adding that he is letting Attorney General William Barr “handle it.”

 
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Trump is destroying American democratic norms at record pace.   He has turned Washington (and especially the executive branch) into the mob.  And Barr is running point.  

Trump knows his thugs at his propaganda ministry will spin a story out of this that has no relationship to the facts and the flock will eat it up.  

It is bananas.  The justice department has been totally co-opted.  

 
The justice department has been totally co-opted.  
Hopefully the poison is isolated to the top leadership, in appointed positions.

My fear is that this destruction of norms and protocol causes high quality rank and file civil servants to abandon government. Those are the future leaders, and they might not stick around for such a clown show.  That hollowing out of departments will have a future effect of diminishing the quality and creativity of their work.

 
Actually, Benghazi was investigated by ten separate committees, not one of which found anything. The Republicans have been doing ridiculous things for quite some time now. 
Lol ok I'll accept you have a point that investigation by 10 committees > 1 House committee investigation, 1 Senate committee investigation, 3 internal investigations by the DOJ, a declination of charges by a grand jury, 2 IG investigations, an assigned investigation by a Utah US Attorney, and an assigned investigation by a Connecticut US Attorney. 

 
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Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup
By Matt Zapotosky and Devlin Barrett 
Dec. 4, 2019 at 3:16 p.m. PST

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies.

Among Horowitz’s questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general’s findings have not been made public.

But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.

Spokespersons for the inspector general’s office, Durham and the Justice Department all declined to comment.

The previously unreported interaction is noted in a draft of Horowitz’s forthcoming report on the Russia investigation, which concludes that the FBI had adequate cause to launch its Russia investigation, people familiar with the matter said. Its public release is set for Monday.

That could rebut conservatives’ doubts — which Barr has shared with associates in recent weeks — that Horowitz might be blessing the FBI’s Russia investigation prematurely, and that Durham could potentially find more, particularly with regard to the Maltese professor.

The draft, though, is not final. The inspector general has yet to release any conclusions, and The Washington Post has not reviewed Horowitz’s entire report, even in draft form. It is also unclear if Durham has shared the entirety of his findings and evidence with the inspector general, or merely answered a specific question.

Trump and his allies have relentlessly criticized the FBI probe, which was taken over by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, as a “witch hunt” and pushed for investigations of those who launched it. They have been eagerly anticipating the release of Horowitz’s report in hopes the watchdog with a nonpartisan reputation might validate their attacks.

Barr told CBS News in May that some of the facts he had learned about the Russia case “don’t hang together with the official explanations of what happened.” He declined to be more specific. In response to recent reports about Barr’s skepticism about the forthcoming inspector general report, Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said in a statement that the watchdog’s investigation “is a credit to the Department of Justice.”

“His excellent work has uncovered significant information that the American people will soon be able to read for themselves,” Kupec said. “Rather than speculating, people should read the report for themselves next week, watch the Inspector General’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and draw their own conclusions about these important matters.”

Horowitz’s draft report concludes that political bias did not taint how top FBI officials running the investigation handled the case, people familiar with the matter said. But it details troubling misconduct that Trump and his allies are likely to emphasize as they criticize the bureau.

In particular, Horowitz’s team found omissions in the FBI’s applications to renew warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, people familiar with the matter said.

The applications relied at least in part on information provided by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer who was hired to investigate Trump by an opposition research firm working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Relying on a network of sources and subsources, Steele claimed he had information on connections between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. He passed that information to the FBI.

When FBI agents interviewed one of Steele’s subsources, they found Steele’s information — which he had said was raw intelligence in need of further investigation — was not entirely reliable, people familiar with the matter said. And Horowitz determined in the draft of his report that the FBI failed to convey as much in some of the later applications to surveil Page, the people said.

Those omissions, while significant, were apparently not so egregious as to convince Horowitz to conclude that the renewal applications should have been rejected. It would be unusual for the inspector general to sit in judgment over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court’s determinations, because his job is to review how the information was gathered and presented to the court, not whether the FISA court should have approved or rejected specific applications.

Horowitz also found that a low-level FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, doctored an email that was used as part of the warrant application process — potentially significant misconduct that Durham is now exploring as a possible crime, people familiar with the matter said.

Clinesmith, who has not responded to inquiries about the inspector general’s findings, is a familiar name to Republicans critical of the FBI; in a previous report on the FBI’s investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, Horowitz found the lawyer sent messages suggesting a dislike of Trump, including one saying “Viva le resistance.”

When questioned by the inspector general about such messages, Clinesmith insisted that many of them were jokes and that he did not let his political views affect his work. A draft of his report criticizes as careless another low-level FBI agent who had some involvement in the Russia probe, the people said, though the exact reasons for that remain unclear.

Horowitz’s report addresses in detail the cause — referred to in law enforcement circles as “predication” — for opening the Russia investigation. The bureau did so after the Australian government passed to the U.S. a tip that George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign aide, had boasted about Russia having political dirt on Clinton.

The boasts came before it was publicly known the Kremlin had hacked Democratic emails and stolen information that might be damaging to Clinton’s campaign. Papadopoulos had been told of the possible dirt by Joseph Mifsud, the mysterious Maltese professor.

U.S. officials have long insisted that they were duty bound to follow-up on what seemed to be an alarming tip. The standard for opening an investigation is low. FBI officials need only an “articulable factual basis” to believe there has been possible criminal activity or a threat to national security. U.S. officials suspect that Mifsud has ties to Russian intelligence.

Papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his interactions with Mifsud, has alleged, though, that he believes Mifsud is some type of Western intelligence asset, and that he was set up.

People familiar with the matter said Horowitz queried U.S. intelligence agencies to determine if there was any truth to that claim, and found no evidence Mifsud was a U.S. asset. He also reached out to Durham to see if the prosecutor had found anything that might contradict that assessment, and Durham said he had no such evidence, people familiar with the matter said.

Barr has seemed in recent months to take a keen interest in Mifsud, a shadowy figure who last surfaced two years ago for an interview with a reporter in Italy. The attorney general has had private meetings with foreign intelligence officials to ask for their assistance in the Durham investigation, and he has asked the Italian government, in particular, about their knowledge of the professor. Italian officials told him they had no involvement in the matter.

It was not immediately clear if Horowitz has examined possible ties between Mifsud and other Western governments outside the U.S., though people familiar with the draft of his report said it does not lend any credence to Papadopoulos’s allegation about the professor.

Barr could formally object to any of Horowitz’s assertions — though he could not order the independent watchdog to change anything — as the draft of the inspector general’s report is still being finalized. In recent weeks, witnesses have given Horowitz input on changes they feel are necessary.

The Justice Department typically offers a written response and sometimes objects to the conclusions of its inspector general — though generally that occurs when the watchdog is alleging misconduct and the department feels it has to defend itself, rather than when the inspector general plans to clear the department or the FBI of wrongdoing. Barr also could decline to formally weigh in, but publicly air his skepticism later, perhaps in a media interview.
 
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The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said.
In other news today, water still wet.

 
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And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.
This is kind of funny because Horowitz is supposed to be feeding Durham but here Horowitz is looking to Durham for some final scoop and it's:  :no: .

 
I know this gets lost in the tsunami of information these days, but Carter Page wasn't even working on the Trump campaign anymore when the first FISA warrant was issued. 

 
I know this gets lost in the tsunami of information these days, but Carter Page wasn't even working on the Trump campaign anymore when the first FISA warrant was issued. 
Kind of blows up the notion of them ‘spying’ on the campaign when the person they were watching was already being given the coffee boy treatment.

 
Consider me totally surprised that Mifsud was not a CIA plant and the allegation apparently a wishcast for conspiracy theorists.

:sarcasm:  

I'm sure the talking points will be out shortly and then we can have some "dialogue". Perhaps Barr with send out a memo (mis?)characterizing this investigation too?

 
I'm getting the vibe this Horowitz report might be the inverse of the Mueller report.  A headline that says the major players did nothing that raises to the level of criminal charges, but highlights a whole lot of infractions along the way. 

 
I'm getting the vibe this Horowitz report might be the inverse of the Mueller report.  A headline that says the major players did nothing that raises to the level of criminal charges, but highlights a whole lot of infractions along the way. 
My guess is this report will find a few minor infractions.  No indictments, not denouncing the FBI or FISA courts.

And Trump supporters will still claim he was spied on by the FBI for no reason. 

 
I'm getting the vibe this Horowitz report might be the inverse of the Mueller report.  A headline that says the major players did nothing that raises to the level of criminal charges, but highlights a whole lot of infractions along the way. 
Have you noticed that this is a common pattern with many Republican-led investigations into wrongdoing by perceived opponents?

(Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS, Hillary's emails, etc.)

 
Have you noticed that this is a common pattern with many Republican-led investigations into wrongdoing by perceived opponents?

(Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS, Hillary's emails, etc.)
And ones that are seen as dem led have ended with indictments and lists of acts of obstruction.

 
My guess is this report will find a few minor infractions.  No indictments, not denouncing the FBI or FISA courts.

And Trump supporters will still claim he was spied on by the FBI for no reason. 
This.  But add, Trump will claim it’s proof of the biggest coup against a President in history.  He will say this 150 times over the course of a few days and his followers will parrot this message for the next year.   

 
There's a reason it wasn't immediately released.  If it had anything damning in it at all it'd have been out months ago.

Maybe to give Barr time to create a dishonest summary of the report from his own DOJ?

 
There's a reason it wasn't immediately released.  If it had anything damning in it at all it'd have been out months ago.

Maybe to give Barr time to create a dishonest summary of the report from his own DOJ?
I don’t think that’s correct. There’s a process it goes through, including review of the initial draft by various people, which is where we are now. That’s why an initial draft exists even though the final report hasn’t been released yet. (I don’t know how reporters have learned about the content of the initial draft, but the leaks don’t seem calculated to favor Bill Barr’s spin.)

 
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I don’t think that’s correct. There’s a process it goes through, including review of the initial draft by various people, which is where we are now. That’s why an initial draft exists even though the final report hasn’t been released yet. (I don’t know how reporters have learned about the content of the initial draft, but the leaks don’t seem calculated to favor Bill Barr’s spin.)
Wasn't Mueller's report just dropped on everyone?  Can't Trump declassify whatever he wants?

 
No and yes? I don’t see what either question has to do with the IG report.
My take is that if the IG report was at all damning, Trump would have rushed it through every review step and declassified as necessary.  He doesn't really seem like a process guy if he has something he considers good to share with the public. 

 
My take is that if the IG report was at all damning, Trump would have rushed it through every review step and declassified as necessary.  He doesn't really seem like a process guy if he has something he considers good to share with the public. 
Trump has nothing to do with it. Neither does Barr. The IG is independent.

 
But it's still part of the Executive Branch, and wielding absolute authority (when it directly benefits him) never stopped Pres. Trump from breaking norms and rules (and dare I say, laws too).
Trump has no authority to dictate the content or timing of the IG report.

There is no rule or norm barring Trump from leaping tall buildings in a single bound. Nonetheless, Trump can’t do everything he wants — not because he respects norms, but because he’s not omnipotent.

 
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Trump has no authority to dictate the content or timing of the IG report.

There is no rule or norm barring Trump from leaping tall buildings in a single bound. Nonetheless, Trump can’t do everything he wants — not because he respects norms, but because he’s not omnipotent.
Are there criminal statutes against Trump intervening in the function of the IG?  What about Barr?  Can he intervene and dictate timing or content?  In other words, if Trump gave a direct order saying, do X, otherwise you're fired (or had someone else do the firing without him actually saying those words) what would happen?  Isn't the IG part of the executive branch?

My point is that an executive branch that doesn't respect norms or rules will see this as just another norm or rule to break.  

 
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Are there criminal statutes against Trump intervening in the function of the IG?  What about Barr?  Can he intervene and dictate timing or content?
It depends on the type of intervention. There are criminal statutes prohibiting Trump from breaking and entering into Horowitz's office in order to steal the report (although Trump would not be charged until after he leaves office). There are no criminal statutes prohibiting Trump from tweeting misspelled criticisms of Horowitz's professionalism.

Neither Trump nor Barr may dictate the timing or content of the report.

 
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Neither Trump nor Barr may dictate the timing or content of the report.
Why not? How not? What exactly is preventing them from exercising their direct leadership authority?

Are there criminal statutes against this behavior?  Or is it done through the organization and principles of behavior within the executive branch.  If it's the latter, I wouldn't put it past Trump to break through those codes of conduct.

 
In other words, if Trump gave a direct order saying, do X, otherwise you're fired (or had someone else do the firing without him actually saying those words) what would happen?  Isn't the IG part of the executive branch?
I think you added this part after I'd responded to the post. (Either that or I stopped reading the first time before getting to it.)

The DOJ IG is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. He serves at the pleasure of the President. Exactly the same situation as with Comey. Trump can fire him for a non-corrupt purpose. He can't fire him for a corrupt purpose or it's both criminal (though he can't be charged immediately) and impeachable (though he can't be removed because Republicans). Saying "make the report say what I want or you're fired" would definitely be corrupt. It's also not dictating the content of the report because Horowitz would surely say, "Okay, fire me" in response, just as Comey would have if Trump had made a similar threat. Then Horowitz would go public with the reason for his firing, and he might provide his own version of the report to the press (or at least to Congress).

 
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It's also not dictating the content of the report because Horowitz would surely say, "Okay, fire me" in response. Then Horowitz would go public with the reason for his firing, and he might provide his own version of the report to the press.
So, it is up to a Senate confirmed appointed position (like an Ambassador or the Head of the FBI) to quit over perceived illegal behavior by the President.

Sounds like I've heard that story before...

 
So, it is up to a Senate confirmed appointed position (like an Ambassador or the Head of the FBI) to quit over perceived illegal behavior by the President.

Sounds like I've heard that story before...
Legally speaking, can Stringer Bell operate a business selling non-prescription heroin?

No.

You mean there's a criminal statute against it?

Yes.

But can't he just murder any witnesses who testify against him?

That would be illegal, and would lead to additional charges.

But then couldn't he pay off the cops or threaten the jurors?

...

It's illegal for Trump to dictate the content of the IG's report, or to fire the IG for writing an unfavorable report. What else do you want? At some point we have to rely on people -- ambassadors, FBI directors, inspector generals, cops, judges, juries -- to follow the law. There's no way around it. Not only is there no current alternative in place, but there's no possible alternative, even in principle, that I can think of.

 
It's illegal for Trump to dictate the content of the IG's report, or to fire the IG for writing an unfavorable report.
Ah, so there is a criminal statute against meddling with the IG, which extends all the way to the leader of the executive branch.  That meddling would also cover dictating the date and distribution of the release of reports from the IG? That was the original intent of my inquiry.

 
Anyone remember that investigation into Trump's claim that 3 million folks voted illegally?

Fun times.

 

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