The investigation investigations: DOJ exonerates McCabe (1 Viewer)

[dkp993]

My thoughts on how the IG report will be received.....  EXACTLY the same as the Mueller report.  Confirmation bias will again run rampant.  Pro-T crowd will see the negative in it that they want too and claim it proves their point and the anti-T crowd will see it as a nothingburger and claim it proves their point.   It will then get argued about for months with not one person changing their mind.  
 

-nostradadkp993

And who says this forum is predictable.

 

[beef]

I still can't believe Ivanka has had a long personal relationship with Steele, and even received sentimental gifts from him.  

 

[yak651]

I still can't believe Ivanka has had a long personal relationship with Steele, and even received sentimental gifts from him.  

Probably be a tweet about Steele's lovely secret lover Ivanka soon

 

[Endowed]

Donald was a secret RUSSIAN agent
 

they actually believed that 

He's a kompromat. Not an agent.

 

[dozer]

Donald was a secret RUSSIAN agent
 

they actually believed that 

I think it’s more accurate to say he’s an asset. He sure has been helpful to the Russians.

 

[sho nuff]

Know how we know the report wasn’t good for Trump?  He didn't tweet about it at all.  Didn’t even tweet the spin.

 

[Kal El]

Know how we know the report wasn’t good for Trump?  He didn't tweet about it at all.  Didn’t even tweet the spin.

The tweets thread has been surprisingly quiet, now I know why.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Know how we know the report wasn’t good for Trump?  He didn't tweet about it at all.  Didn’t even tweet the spin.

Great observation. 

 

[Mile High]

Know how we know the report wasn’t good for Trump?  He didn't tweet about it at all.  Didn’t even tweet the spin.

Give it time. He will come up with something. He is a conman. 

 

[Kal El]

Give it time. He will come up with something. He is a conman. 

No matter what he does eventually come up with, it's going to reek of dishonesty and desperation.

 

[dkp993]

Give it time. He will come up with something. He is a conman. 

No matter what he does eventually come up with, it's going to reek of dishonesty and desperation.

He already has....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-victory-mixed-bag-212936987.html

Trump-....“incredible, far worse than I would’ve ever thought possible” and accusing former officials of “an attempted overthrow of government.”

“It should never again happen to another president,” he said, proclaiming later that “it’s everything that a lot of people thought it would be, except far worse.”

 

[Henry Ford]

Donald was a secret RUSSIAN agent
 

they actually believed that 

I know, right? Only 4-5 people in his circle were ultimately found to have been secret foreign agents.  

 

[Henry Ford]

I think it’s more accurate to say he’s an asset. He sure has been helpful to the Russians.

Right.  So far Flynn, Manafort, Patten, Kian, and Alptekin were agents. 

 

[badmojo1006]

So Ivanka was friends with Steele. Trump and Trump Corporation trusted Steele that they offered him a job in the 2010's???

It is Seth Abraham so I am taking it with a grain of salt. But the first part has been proven

 

[zoonation]

Great observation. 

Well, there is video of him today rambling borderline incoherent bs where he says the report is much worse than anyone could have imagined.  

post truth America.  
 

edit: dkp beat me to it.  

 

[Kal El]

He already has....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-victory-mixed-bag-212936987.html

Trump-....“incredible, far worse than I would’ve ever thought possible” and accusing former officials of “an attempted overthrow of government.”

“It should never again happen to another president,” he said, proclaiming later that “it’s everything that a lot of people thought it would be, except far worse.”

Well, if nothing else, he's predictable.

 

[AAABatteries]

“it’s everything that a lot of people thought it would be, except far worse.”

That could be the tag line for his Presidency.

 

[msommer]

That could be the tag line for his Presidency.

Hoping it will be placed in large letters on his library.

 

[James Daulton]

Really though.  What possible purpose, other than political, could the statements by Barr and Durham serve?

The IG is the mechanism to investigate and report on government actions.

It's mind boggling how obviously wrong their statements were, will any Trump supporters care to dispute this?

 

[Kal El]

Hoping it will be placed in large letters on his library.

That's also the title of his biography.

 

[The Z Machine]

Hoping it will be placed in large letters on his library.

What library? Are they just going to store a bunch of encrypted text messages, because it seems like that's the preferred method of communication between top officials. POTUS himself prefers only verbal communication.

 

[Endowed]

What library? Are they just going to store a bunch of encrypted text messages, because it seems like that's the preferred method of communication between top officials. POTUS himself prefers only verbal communication.

The GIANT SIZED font in Crayola script Library!

*and every page includes pictures.

 

[urbanhack]

How do these people just blatantly lie?

https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status/1204107333468672001?s=21
 

oh right, it comes from the top down.   

 

[Kal El]

How do these people just blatantly lie?

https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status/1204107333468672001?s=21
 

oh right, it comes from the top down.   

It bears repeating, Horowitz is non-partisan. This was not a set up, this was the direct result of the Trump campaign seeking help from foreign powers to influence the election. Trump brought this on himself.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Former FBI General Counsel James Baker asks does an apology from the President.

>>"I think the President should apologize to us ... I respectfully ask him, I would ask him to apologize to me, to my colleagues, because the things he said are just wrong. And I think he should step up and do that at a minimum."<<

 

[The Z Machine]

Former FBI General Counsel James Baker asks does an apology from the President.

>>"I think the President should apologize to us ... I respectfully ask him, I would ask him to apologize to me, to my colleagues, because the things he said are just wrong. And I think he should step up and do that at a minimum."<<

Uh, Trump don't do apologies.

 

[timschochet]

Some mixed messaging coming from the White House and it’s closest supporters on this: 

1. Trump claims the report proves he was right all along. 

2. Barr and Durham take issue with the report. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So Ivanka was friends with Steele. Trump and Trump Corporation trusted Steele that they offered him a job in the 2010's???

It is Seth Abraham so I am taking it with a grain of salt. But the first part has been proven

From WaPo: >>Between 2010 and 2012, Steele discussed with Ivanka Trump the possibility that the Trump Organization might hire his business to assist with projects in Russia and China. <<
 

- Steele was considered by Trump Org as a possible hire.

 

[Sammy3469]

From WaPo: >>Between 2010 and 2012, Steele discussed with Ivanka Trump the possibility that the Trump Organization might hire his business to assist with projects in Russia and China. <<
 

- Steele was considered by Trump Org as a possible hire.

It makes perfect sense now that Trump knew who Steele was all along.

 

[Kal El]

It makes perfect sense now that Trump knew who Steele was all along.

Tweet from Trump saying that he didn't know him very well inbound...

 

[FBG Moderator]

Probably be a tweet about Steele's lovely secret lover Ivanka soon

Don't

 

[Don't Noonan]

So the Horowitz reports deals internally to the DOJ/FBI handling of crossfire hurricane. Horowitz can only talk to current FBI employees and will make judgements based on what those FBI officials/employees knew at the time.

Durham has access to all western intelligence agencies, current and past employees and cooperating foreign governments.  If they see suspect aspects/intelligence that was fed into the FBI and not vetted properly (as reported) I can see where they may come to different conclusion than Horowitz.  

Exactly.  Durham can talk with Misfud and Halper, ex-government officials, and international folks.  This is going to get ugly for the Dems.

 

[Kal El]

Exactly.  Durham can talk with Misfud and Halper, ex-government officials, and international folks.  This is going to get ugly for the Dems.

I kinda doubt that, mostly because Barr has done "investigations" that don't really do anything, yet Republicans keep saying wait till the next one. No thanks, I'll take the word of a nonpartisan IG over an AG firmly in Trump's pocket.

 

[Max Power]

I kinda doubt that, mostly because Barr has done "investigations" that don't really do anything, yet Republicans keep saying wait till the next one. No thanks, I'll take the word of a nonpartisan IG over an AG firmly in Trump's pocket.

And what is your take on Durham...?

 

[Don't Noonan]

I kinda doubt that, mostly because Barr has done "investigations" that don't really do anything, yet Republicans keep saying wait till the next one. No thanks, I'll take the word of a nonpartisan IG over an AG firmly in Trump's pocket.

Yet you also take the word of partisans like Schiff and Nadler running this Ukraine conspiracy nonsense.  Hmmmm.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Durham can talk with Misfud and Halper, ex-government officials, and international folks.

Horowitz met with Steele.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Durham can talk with Misfud and Halper, ex-government officials, and international folks. 

And Mifsud is wanted by the DOJ.

 

[John Blutarsky]

I kinda doubt that, mostly because Barr has done "investigations" that don't really do anything, yet Republicans keep saying wait till the next one. No thanks, I'll take the word of a nonpartisan IG over an AG firmly in Trump's pocket.

Seems that John Durham has done quite a bit of work for Democrat administrations in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Durham_(lawyer)

 

[The Z Machine]

It makes perfect sense now that Trump knew who Steele was all along.

Global elites, bro. Global elites.

 

[Kal El]

And what is your take on Durham...?

Don't know enough about him, but I regard anyone in politics with a healthy dose of suspicion, and lately with how the Republicans have been acting, 2 doses.

 

[John Blutarsky]

Horowitz met with Steele.

He did? Everything I have read said Steele met with 3 attorneys from the DOJ in London over a period of two days.

 

[Max Power]

Don't know enough about him, but I regard anyone in politics with a healthy dose of suspicion, and lately with how the Republicans have been acting, 2 doses.

Do you think his findings will be politically biased?

 

[Kal El]

Yet you also take the word of partisans like Schiff and Nadler running this Ukraine conspiracy nonsense.  Hmmmm.

I've read the memo, seen how each side acts in response, and to my novice eye, Trump is trying to hide the truth. I've said it before, but if he didn't do what he's accused of, all he has to do is show what really happened, and make the Democrats look like complete fools. He has not done so, rather, he has thrown up roadblocks every step of the way and attacked the character of everyone involved who isn't in lock step. That's not the procedure of someone who is guiltless. The partisanship of the parties in Washington is well documented, so you missed the point there. Schiff has followed the rules set up by the Republicans pretty much to the letter, whereas the Republicans have hemmed, thawed, whined and complained that they couldn't interview the WB(a violation of federal law, and who wasn't a firsthand witness), then in the same sentence want to call people who were less connected to the situation than the WB was, all the while wanting to chase pointless lines of questioning. So forgive me if I choose to not believe a word that comes out of this administration's mouth. The republicans had a chance to make this all go away. They didn't or couldn't, take your pick, and now they'll have to let the American people know just how partisan they've become.

 

[Kal El]

Do you think his findings will be politically biased?

Again, I don't know enough about him to say. I do know if Barr is involved, it's probably very biased.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He did? Everything I have read said Steele met with 3 attorneys from the DOJ in London over a period of two days.

Sorry, I meant his office. If you have an Attorney General or a US Attorney personally interviewing people you have problems.

 

[dkp993]

Exactly.  Durham can talk with Misfud and Halper, ex-government officials, and international folks.  This is going to get ugly for the Dems.

Noonan.  You’re a smart dude.  Is there any realization on your part that you sound EXACTLY like those you have been laughing at for the past 3 years.  This is a mirror image, carbon copy, of Russiagate.  Sides and messages have just flipped 180 degrees.  

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It bears repeating, Horowitz is non-partisan. This was not a set up, this was the direct result of the Trump campaign seeking help from foreign powers to influence the election. Trump brought this on himself.

More than that, it was the direct result of the Trump administration requesting that Horowitz investigate the investigators.

 

[Slapdash]

Even for the Trump admin, these Barr quotes are something else....

 

[Don't Noonan]

Noonan.  You’re a smart dude.  Is there any realization on your part that you sound EXACTLY like those you have been laughing at for the past 3 years.  This is a mirror image, carbon copy, of Russiagate.  Sides and messages have just flipped 180 degrees.  

The difference is this thread is 1/100th the size of the Russia thread and we actually had folks with avatars of Mueller dressed as Superman.  I am suspicious of wrong doing but am not going bonkers like the left did in the Russia thread.  I eagerly await the Durham report.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The difference is this thread is 1/100th the size of the Russia thread and we actually had folks with avatars of Mueller dressed as Superman.  I am suspicious of wrong doing but am not going bonkers like the left did in the Russia thread.  I eagerly await the Durham report.

Gosh it's almost as if 45 indictments and $45 million in recovery and counting =//= no findings of illegal wrongdoing.