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The Joe Rogan Experience (2 Viewers)

I odn't know why you keep saying this.  He tours regularly and has a few Netflix specials.  He definitely made it as a comedian.


For sure. He never made it to Chappelle/Burr tier, but few do. 

This is true but the one difference is that in the 80s new music was really thriving. That’s not the case now. Data shows that the internet in new music has really slowed down and for the first time ever, much older music is far more popular.

There was just just a great article 

Old Music is Killing New Music”

The current biggest new releases and hits are generally getting trounced in downloads and listens by music recorded 30-40 years ago
I saw an episode of a show that takes place in high school now, and these guys were dancing around to INXS.  College kids were throwing 90's parties. I'm very aware that kids today like music from the 80's and 90's very much. 

If anyone wants to make the case that Neil Young is enjoying a resurgence with the kids, I am all ears. Not aware of any myself. 

 
Anyone think, long term, going off of Youtube, and really only available as 3 hour downloads will hurt Rogan's popularity?

I clicked on a LOT of JRE Clips, where i could listen to 8 minute clips of interesting subject matter, but 3 hours is a big commitment.

 
Anyone think, long term, going off of Youtube, and really only available as 3 hour downloads will hurt Rogan's popularity?

I clicked on a LOT of JRE Clips, where i could listen to 8 minute clips of interesting subject matter, but 3 hours is a big commitment.
There are a few podcasts that moved to Spotify that I don't listen to after they moved. But I admit I'm in the minority

 
Anyone think, long term, going off of Youtube, and really only available as 3 hour downloads will hurt Rogan's popularity?

I clicked on a LOT of JRE Clips, where i could listen to 8 minute clips of interesting subject matter, but 3 hours is a big commitment.
I used to do the same and didn't enjoy it.  I don't think you get the full "experience" unless you listed to it in long form.  I crank it to 1.5x speed, but its way better when you listen to the whole thing.  

 
This is true but the one difference is that in the 80s new music was really thriving. That’s not the case now. Data shows that the interest  in new music has really slowed down and for the first time ever, older music is far more popular than newer music.

There was just just a great article 

Old Music is Killing New Music”

The current biggest new releases and hits are generally getting trounced in downloads and listens by music recorded 30-40 years ago


I don't have any more free Atlantic articles to read this month but the raw numbers don't support the title premise.  Olivia Rodrigo has two songs with over 1.2 billion Spotify streams each since they released last year. This is about the same as the most popular songs of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones combined.  I think the Stones have been on Spotify since I have but the Beatles were added just over five years ago.

Monocultural impact of musicians has been on the decline since the 80s.  The death of radio and programming changes at MTV helped this along.  But the kids still decide what music is a hit.  It may be driven more by a Tiktok dance than radio airplay but there's still money in it for the music industry in part because they have more control over young artists than established acts like The Beatles, Stones and Neil Young.

 
Comedy is also subjective. Tom Papa has a following and while I find him somewhat likable, I don’t think he’s ever said anything that I laughed at. I’m sure he makes more money than I do. 
I never really thought Joe was particularly funny but he recently did a podcast with Shane Gillis, Mark Normand, and Ari Shaffir that had me rolling, #1728. He's tried to recapture the vibe by having them all back on #1764 but so far it's not scratching the itch like the first one did.

Shane Gillis trying to do Trump while drunk and those other idiots cracking up for some reason made me fall over laughing.

 
I'm a Rogan fan. Not every episode, prob 1 out of every 4. His show is great for me when I'm doing something s like cutting the lawn or working around the house where I can just put it on and play. 

I think he has def doubled down on the anti-vax, anti-govt stuff but IMO it has really only been since he was skewered by the MSM after he got covid and beat it fairly easily. They went after him hard and even lied by doctoring photos of him and such. While I don't know him personally, it seems JR is not the type of person who backs down, esp when he has been pushed into a corner. 

Did that get the better of the show? maybe? But I really think he is engaging in a big d!ck swinging contest now with MSM. 

 
I don't have any more free Atlantic articles to read this month but the raw numbers don't support the title premise.  Olivia Rodrigo has two songs with over 1.2 billion Spotify streams each since they released last year. This is about the same as the most popular songs of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones combined.  I think the Stones have been on Spotify since I have but the Beatles were added just over five years ago.

Monocultural impact of musicians has been on the decline since the 80s.  The death of radio and programming changes at MTV helped this along.  But the kids still decide what music is a hit.  It may be driven more by a Tiktok dance than radio airplay but there's still money in it for the music industry in part because they have more control over young artists than established acts like The Beatles, Stones and Neil Young.
Olivia Rodrigo is one artist. The facts are there In 2018, new songs made up 1 out of every 10 streams. In 2021, new songs made up less than 1 in every 20 streams. The most streamed song in 2021 got 600 million streams. 
 

For the first time since MRC Data began tracking streaming music in 2008, the audio streaming of Current music (music released less than 18 months ago) actually declined. This led to a significant increase in Catalog’s share of the audio on-demand streaming universe, with 70% in 2021 vs 65% in 2020, as consumers reconnected with old favorites or discovered them for the first time through platforms like TikTok. 
 

https://mrcdatareports.com/mrc-data-2021-u-s-year-end-report/?utm_source=Sailthru

 
Of all the JRE episodes, I prefer the multiple Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock episodes and especially the one he did with Robert Schoch.  Those taken together blew my friggin hair back.  

 
For sure. He never made it to Chappelle/Burr tier, but few do. 

I saw an episode of a show that takes place in high school now, and these guys were dancing around to INXS.  College kids were throwing 90's parties. I'm very aware that kids today like music from the 80's and 90's very much. 

If anyone wants to make the case that Neil Young is enjoying a resurgence with the kids, I am all ears. Not aware of any myself. 
 
Who sounds old now lol. I’m not saying Neil Young is massively relevant and I don’t think HS kids are the only audience that measures popularity. Between him and his band endeavors he was getting like 9 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. He’s not Drake but he’s certainly someone that people are still listening to- even if it’s an older crowd. I think people over 50 still count.

 
Not sur if it's been brought up, but maybe this is Neil's way to screw over the company that bought those rights from him.  Like, "thanks for paying me, now you can't make any money off my work."

BTW, I have listened to a lot more NY on Spotify that Mr. Rogan.
They don’t make much from streaming services. Fractions of cents per stream.

 
Young sold 50% of the song publishing royalties. He still owns the recordings he made which gives him the ability to pull them from Spotify.  Covers of his songs will still pay songwriter royalties to Young and the co-owners.  The publishing royalty rate is only about 1/3 of the mechanical royalties paid for use of the recording.  Streaming royalty rates are very low so 1/3rd of that isn't very much.

Young's music wasn't getting a lot of streams anyway ( @Pip's Invitation notwithstanding).  I expect he'll be able to cover his streaming losses in the short term by more sales of physical media which have a much higher royalty rate than streaming does.
I’m pretty sure Neil cares 0% about revenue from streaming. He pulled his songs from Spotify before because he didn’t like the platform’s sound quality.

 
There are a few podcasts that moved to Spotify that I don't listen to after they moved. But I admit I'm in the minority
I am similar.   I don't like the interface with Spotify and podcasts for some reason.   I would listen to Rogan all the time before the move - not sure if I've listened to more than 3 episodes on Spotify.  

 
Caveat:  I realize Rogan's shows are 2+ hours long and I have no idea of the context but two White guys getting into a discussion about what constitutes Blackness is a bad look.

 
Caveat:  I realize Rogan's shows are 2+ hours long and I have no idea of the context but two White guys getting into a discussion about what constitutes Blackness is a bad look.
What are you talking about?  I’m obviously missing something.  

 
Oh I saw that podcast.  The gist of the back and forth was that it is silly to call Jordan Peterson white, because he’s not specifically white and to call Dyson black because he’s not specifically black.  The varying degrees of brown skin all being lumped into “black” is indelicate and inaccurate.  According to Peterson.  
 

so yeah, not discussing what constitutes blackness at all.  

 
They never mentioned blackness (a term I’m equating with a mindset and a lived experience not a color).  


Blackness was a poor choice of words on my part.  Rogan was discussing what constitutes being Black. 

Rogan retorts by saying, "There's such a spectrum of shades of people. Unless you're talking to someone who is, like, 100 percent African, from the darkest place, where they are not wearing any clothes all day and they've developed all that melanin to protect themselves from the sun, you know, even the term Black is weird. When you use it for people who are literally my color, it becomes very strange."
: :confused:

 
Blackness was a poor choice of words on my part.  Rogan was discussing what constitutes being Black. 

: :confused:
Right.  Literally discussing that there are so many shades of blacks and browns that to call everyone black seems inaccurate.  Again, it’s completely not an interesting topic, but it doesn’t do the heavy lifting that the outrage is trying to claim it does.  They aren’t discussing what constitutes being black, just that the word black is not accurate to a majority of people that are otherwise referred to as black.  

 
Right.  Literally discussing that there are so many shades of blacks and browns that to call everyone black seems inaccurate.  Again, it’s completely not an interesting topic, but it doesn’t do the heavy lifting that the outrage is trying to claim it does.  They aren’t discussing what constitutes being black, just that the word black is not accurate to a majority of people that are otherwise referred to as black.  
How many people who society counts as  Black participated in that talk about what it means to be Black?

 
He was conflating black as a shade of color (#000000) with Black as a race of people. Rogan's a smart guy; he should understand the difference.  The reference to naked Africans in the sun all day doesn't help his case.
He specifically mentioned them as they have developed more melanin than anyone else.  Hence having skin that is closest to being “black”.  

 
What did you mean by "to be black?" 
Like I already said, I equate blackness or “to be black” as a mindset, way of life, culture, viewpoint, lived experience etc.  they are simply saying that using a specific color (black) to define a race that runs the gamut of colors is not very accurate. 
I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.  Seems very straightforward.

 
I'm a Rogan fan. Not every episode, prob 1 out of every 4. His show is great for me when I'm doing something s like cutting the lawn or working around the house where I can just put it on and play. 

I think he has def doubled down on the anti-vax, anti-govt stuff but IMO it has really only been since he was skewered by the MSM after he got covid and beat it fairly easily. They went after him hard and even lied by doctoring photos of him and such. While I don't know him personally, it seems JR is not the type of person who backs down, esp when he has been pushed into a corner. 

Did that get the better of the show? maybe? But I really think he is engaging in a big d!ck swinging contest now with MSM. 
What is comes down to is that they keep the articles coming about him because the MSM needs Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan doesn't need the MSM. On a per episode basis, he absolutely obliterates any of their shows in viewership. And he was doing it well before they came after him.

 
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I feel like cnn and msm are trying to replace their outrage machine that was Trump with a combination of Rogan and Tucker.  The manufactured (and incorrect) talking point of Rogan taking horse dewormer is a perfect example of these idiots just creating controversy where there isn’t one.  In that case it was really stupid because it was demonstrably wrong on many levels.  This recent “blackness” outrage is exactly the same thing.  There’s no there there, yet somehow the articles are coming and Dyson is on Don Lemons show saying that Peterson and Rogan tried to steal his blackness.  Ok

 
Like I already said, I equate blackness or “to be black” as a mindset, way of life, culture, viewpoint, lived experience etc.  they are simply saying that using a specific color (black) to define a race that runs the gamut of colors is not very accurate. 
I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.  Seems very straightforward.
What (not so hilarious) is he is the white guy now doing what he is inaccurately accusing Rogan of doing. :lmao:
 

It’s probably best we just leave this alone  before it gets political. 

 
I feel like cnn and msm are trying to replace their outrage machine that was Trump with a combination of Rogan and Tucker.  The manufactured (and incorrect) talking point of Rogan taking horse dewormer is a perfect example of these idiots just creating controversy where there isn’t one.  In that case it was really stupid because it was demonstrably wrong on many levels.  This recent “blackness” outrage is exactly the same thing.  There’s no there there, yet somehow the articles are coming and Dyson is on Don Lemons show saying that Peterson and Rogan tried to steal his blackness.  Ok
:yes:  

They can’t control him and his success is dangerous to their wallets. Now they are trying their best to cancel him and at the same time attempt to increase their rating by attacking him. 

 
I feel like cnn and msm are trying to replace their outrage machine that was Trump with a combination of Rogan and Tucker.  The manufactured (and incorrect) talking point of Rogan taking horse dewormer is a perfect example of these idiots just creating controversy where there isn’t one.  In that case it was really stupid because it was demonstrably wrong on many levels.  This recent “blackness” outrage is exactly the same thing.  There’s no there there, yet somehow the articles are coming and Dyson is on Don Lemons show saying that Peterson and Rogan tried to steal his blackness.  Ok
I have not see the episode in question. But i saw the Newsweek article posted above and after the video talks about this “black” incident, it goes into reminding everyone how joe was pushing horse dewormer.  
 

yea, I saw all I need to see and will reserve judgment on what was actually said when I watch it.  These are usually nothing but hit pieces  hidden to look like journalism.  

 
Freedom of Speech is the most misunderstood concept in this Country. Most people that throw it around really are clueless about what it actually stands for.


Please clarify for us.

I am similar.   I don't like the interface with Spotify and podcasts for some reason.   I would listen to Rogan all the time before the move - not sure if I've listened to more than 3 episodes on Spotify.  


Same.  I listen a lot less now that he moved.  Do you know if his ratings went up or down with the move?

 
Anyone think, long term, going off of Youtube, and really only available as 3 hour downloads will hurt Rogan's popularity?

I clicked on a LOT of JRE Clips, where i could listen to 8 minute clips of interesting subject matter, but 3 hours is a big commitment.
I think going off of YouTube in general hurt some of rogans popularity.  People enjoy the visual aspect of YouTube as well as the comments. It makes it feel more like a community that Spotify imo.  Even when Rogan gets the occasional guest that I really am interested in or find funny (like Andrew Shultz) for example—I still won’t go to Spotify to listen

 
Love him, hate him or don’t give a rats ### about him - Rogan has had a deceptively lucrative career:

- Standup

- Man Show

- Newsradio

- Fear Factor

- UFC announcer

- Comedy shows 

- JRE

FTR, I find him to be entertaining even while seeing him in a meathead, quasi-intellectual way.  I’ve never been a regular listener of JRE but have enjoyed listening to some selectively.  I’ve ignored almost all his Covid stuff.

 
I think going off of YouTube in general hurt some of rogans popularity.  People enjoy the visual aspect of YouTube as well as the comments. It makes it feel more like a community that Spotify imo.  Even when Rogan gets the occasional guest that I really am interested in or find funny (like Andrew Shultz) for example—I still won’t go to Spotify to listen
There is also video on Spotify. 

 

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