The NEA is promoting resources that teach kids about rimming and fisting. (1 Viewer)

[Boston]

It’s a list of outside organizations that can provide resources, counseling and advice to youth regarding sex. They aren’t adding fisting and rimming to the curriculum and I’d wager somewhere close to 0% of the teachers attending that conference actually clicked through those organizations’ websites enough to get to the pages at issue here.

Total non-issue, but keep being outraged

No they aren't, which I why I find this thread misleading and inflammatory and should be locked IMO.

I don't read well so I want stuff censored!!!

I don't read well so I want stuff censored!!!

Stuff, such as thread titles like this that I find to be intentionally misleading, yes, because down the road people will repeat in this forum that this was added to school curriculums (see the drag queen brunch thread which was repeatedly mischaracterized as a sex club)

I hate that misleading stuff...next thing you know Congress will be passing Bills called the Inflation Reduction Act...

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Let me know when a teacher actually offers instruction about this stuff in a classroom. Let me know when a teacher offers direct links to this stuff to a student. Let me know when the NEA actually directly promotes this sort of activity, rather than simply providing access to a much more general website that may include links to some of this stuff (which I strongly doubt the NEA was aware of).

Until then don’t waste my time with this nonsense.

You're wasting your own time. Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread

 

[timschochet]

Wow, when I saw this yesterday posted here, I thought it was BS and would be quickly debunked.
And to see some people actually wouldn't have a problem with it being taught to their kids shows me that some day it will be.
Only a matter of time

I pretty firmly believe that having knowledge of something doesn't mean someone will go out and do that thing.

For example, the Army spent a lot of money training me how to kill. As a result, I know multiple ways to kill. And yet, I've not once ever utilized that knowledge.

As such, I really don't have much of an issue with my kids finding out in high school what fisting is.

That said, I don't think our society thinks about it like I do. And that's totally okay. And a public school should NOT teach things that the majority will not object to.

That's fine, you're obviously entitled to your opinion and what you'd be ok with your kids learning.
But knowing that anyone would be fine with this shows me that it will eventually be taught in schools.
There are things being taught now that only 10 years ago you would have been called crazy for believing it was possible.

When it’s taught in schools I will join you in objecting to that.

 

[timschochet]

Let me know when a teacher actually offers instruction about this stuff in a classroom. Let me know when a teacher offers direct links to this stuff to a student. Let me know when the NEA actually directly promotes this sort of activity, rather than simply providing access to a much more general website that may include links to some of this stuff (which I strongly doubt the NEA was aware of).

Until then don’t waste my time with this nonsense.

You're wasting your own time. Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread

And nobody forced you to respond to my post either. Yet you always do.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Let me know when a teacher actually offers instruction about this stuff in a classroom. Let me know when a teacher offers direct links to this stuff to a student. Let me know when the NEA actually directly promotes this sort of activity, rather than simply providing access to a much more general website that may include links to some of this stuff (which I strongly doubt the NEA was aware of).

Until then don’t waste my time with this nonsense.

You're wasting your own time. Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread

And nobody forced you to respond to my post either. Yet you always do.

You might have a point if I told you to stop wasting my time with this nonsense. Again, you're wasting your own time.

 

[timschochet]

Let me know when a teacher actually offers instruction about this stuff in a classroom. Let me know when a teacher offers direct links to this stuff to a student. Let me know when the NEA actually directly promotes this sort of activity, rather than simply providing access to a much more general website that may include links to some of this stuff (which I strongly doubt the NEA was aware of).

Until then don’t waste my time with this nonsense.

Oh Tim....they know.
From the official NEA web site:
Member Spotlight on current NEA LGBTQ Caucus Chair
Follow Your convictions, a sit down with the national LGBTQ Caucus chairs (from 2018)
Read a Banned Book Week


they know and actively support. So any links and information on the "Caucus" web site, its been vetted and approved by the NEA

I didn’t see any mention of rimming or fisting in that interview. I didn’t see any mention of linking to a website that included that information.

What I read from what you just linked was a rather generic praise of LGBT resources for students who are in dire need of them so that they don’t feel isolated and ostracized. Are you opposed to such a policy?

2 + 2 = squirrel in Tim math

you said that you doubt the NEA actively promotes the cacucus and even went as far as claiming that they didn't even know it exists in the 1st place.

I provided a few links from their official site that not only discusses the LGBTQ caucus, but highlights the chair people.

my post was to prove that you are wrong about your assumption that the NEA was oblivious to the caucus and their "much more general website". The content of the article had nothing to do with my post other than to point that out.

Don't twist the conversation or put words in my mouth by implying that I would be opposed to any LGTB conversations.

You offered what you claimed was proof that the NEA knew about the link. You didn’t come close to providing that. Not sure what this has to do with my sense of math.

 

[Zow]

What about inserting hamsters up your anus, feels like we should teach kids the proper precautions around this particular fetish.

Mr. Garrison covered this.

 

[Dickies]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

 

[jon_mx]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

 

[Herb]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

NO THEY AREN'T. It was a resource for the teachers, not the kids. You linked the GD article. And some of the GOP IS associated with neo-nazis. But here is the difference: we're not calling YOU a nazi.

I'd rather my kids learn about fisting and lube in school, then go out and practice it, than be under the influence of right wing media propaganda like you. Last I checked, you can have a normal and fulfilling life, even if you enjoy some kink. What you're preaching seems much more ruinous to one's psyche and emotional health. We can all see what it's done to your abilities to act humanely.

 

[jon_mx]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

NO THEY AREN'T. It was a resource for the teachers, not the kids. You linked the GD article. And some of the GOP IS associated with neo-nazis. But here is the difference: we're not calling YOU a nazi.

I'd rather my kids learn about fisting and lube in school, then go out and practice it, than be under the influence of right wing media propaganda like you. Last I checked, you can have a normal and fulfilling life, even if you enjoy some kink. What you're preaching seems much more ruinous to one's psyche and emotional health. We can all see what it's done to your abilities to act humanely.

The GOP in no way associate with neo-Nazis. The Democrats on the other hand are not only in bed with, but are controlled by the woke LGBQT groups.

 

[jon_mx]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

Those same links and other sexually explicit links can easily be found on most schools LBGQT recommended websites. This crisis by that QR code is nothing new.

 

[djmich]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

Good point.

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

Better point.

 

[Dickies]

I looked into this a bit deeper and learned the NEA LGBTQ Caucus is an entirely different organization than the NEA. Here is their website.

In order to get to the page that links to the organization that has a link to "fisting" you need to purchase a membership in order to receive a badge. Here is the page without the badge.

Again, this isn't in curriculum. There are multiple degrees of separation between the NEA and this website. 99% of teachers are not members of this caucus and likely have no idea they even exist. Even if they do know of their existence there will be even fewer who are members.

This whole thing is about generating maximum outrage and based on the responses in here it's working. Your student isn't going to learn about fisting or rimming in the classroom. They'll learn about it on Pornhub when you're not paying attention.

 

[Boston]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

NO THEY AREN'T. It was a resource for the teachers, not the kids. You linked the GD article. And some of the GOP IS associated with neo-nazis. But here is the difference: we're not calling YOU a nazi.

I'd rather my kids learn about fisting and lube in school, then go out and practice it, than be under the influence of right wing media propaganda like you. Last I checked, you can have a normal and fulfilling life, even if you enjoy some kink. What you're preaching seems much more ruinous to one's psyche and emotional health. We can all see what it's done to your abilities to act humanely.

The GOP in no way associate with neo-Nazis. The Democrats on the other hand are not only in bed with, but are controlled by the woke LGBQT groups.

And they get called Nazis by the left all the time...who's kidding who on that one.

 

[Dickies]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

GTFO with this ********.

Here is a link to the website causing all the outrage. It seems like an organization with good intentions, and there appears to be a lot of good information on the site.

 

[Boston]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

GTFO with this ********.

Here is a link to the website causing all the outrage. It seems like an organization with good intentions, and there appears to be a lot of good information on the site.

I agree...getting consent before fisting is always great info.

 

[Dickies]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

Those same links and other sexually explicit links can easily be found on most schools LBGQT recommended websites. This crisis by that QR code is nothing new.

Let's see a handful of schools that recommend these links. I checked my school district and see nothing of the sort.

 

[Dickies]

Better point.

It's a terrible, disgusting, and downright offensive point.

 

[djmich]

Better point.

It's a terrible, disgusting, and downright offensive point.

What exactly is wrong with the point that you should be expect to bear responsibility for the content of what you link to. If the GOP linked a KKK site my response wouldn’t be “well it’s not theirs”

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Sorry I have to agree with the generated outrage, misleading, and meant to paint a "tribe/team" a certain way arguments. As much as I hate to do that, this has manufactured media nonsense written all over it and I'm commenting because it's essentially promoting divisiveness for money. This low-based tactic needs more awareness for how to spot it among the general population.

Yes, I know this happens on both sides. Of course it does, we keep going for this crap more and more. Really started blowing up because of Facebook and Twitter, it seems.

The people that benefit from that stuff are those that make money from the clicks, and the politicians. In this case, the guy who started the twitter thread. That dude is like "here's an outrageous thing! Subscribe to my monetized situation!!". It's preying on people's emotion. Otherwise known as "marketing". The collective "we" needs to be smarter than "them", the marketers of this dumb outrage stuff. It's dividing us, and we're better than that. I believe that we are.

To comment on the issue part of this, which ironically seems a bit secondary to the manufactured outrage point. That Ohio school district has a board meeting coming up. Those parents who object should go there, and object in a civil way I would add. I'd probably join them.

 

[jon_mx]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

GTFO with this ********.

Here is a link to the website causing all the outrage. It seems like an organization with good intentions, and there appears to be a lot of good information on the site.

Nice wholesome-looking website that clearly is geared towards children. A search of fisting produced this result...I would say NSFW, but this is children material:

Spoiler: NSFW

We found 14 results for Fisting

• FINGERING AND FISTING​

  …fisting dangerous? Fingering and fisting are low risk activities when in comes to STIs and can be very enjoyable. Will fingering and fisting hurt? The vagina and the anus are…

• SHOULD I GET TESTED?​

  …fisting, sharing sex toys, etc.)?* Yes No 2. Do you notice anything unusual in your genital area (such as itchiness, painful urination, unusual discharge or odour, new bumps or sores)?*…

• HPV​

  …dildos for vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your chances of getting or transmitting HPV. Because…

• CHLAMYDIA​

  …vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your chances of getting or transmitting chlamydia. If you are…

• GONORRHEA​

  …sex tools. Use condoms on penises or dildos for vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your…

• HEPATITIS C​

  …latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your chances of getting or transmitting Hepatitis C. If you are sharing sex toys, be…

• LGV​

  …on penises or dildos for vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your chances of getting or…

• MOLLUSCUM CONTAGIOSUM​

  …condoms on penises or dildos for vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex to lower your chances of getting…

• HEPATITIS B​

  …use of safer sex tools. Use condoms on penises or dildos for vaginal or anal sex, use latex gloves for finger play and fisting, and use condoms/dams for oral sex…

• ANAL PLAY​

  …someone’s butt (rimming) Putting a penis* inside someone’s butt Putting a dildo or other sex toy inside someone’s butt Putting a hand inside someone’s butt (fisting) Who is anal play…

 

[parasaurolophus]

I'd rather my kids learn about fisting and lube in school, then go out and practice it,

Lol. I would rather my kids not fist. I wont pretend it is just normal, that this is a societal good to learn.

Lets stop pretending that this is going to save a wave of dry fisting injuries.

 

[Dickies]

Better point.

It's a terrible, disgusting, and downright offensive point.

What exactly is wrong with the point that you should be expect to bear responsibility for the content of what you link to. If the GOP linked a KKK site my response wouldn’t be “well it’s not theirs”

You find nothing wrong with comparing a teen sexual health and education organization to the KKK and Nazis?

 

[parasaurolophus]

We found 14 results for Fisting

• FINGERING AND FISTING​

  …fisting dangerous? Fingering and fisting are low risk activities when in comes to STIs and can be very enjoyable. Will fingering and fisting hurt? The vagina and the anus are…

Jfc. The very first thing it should say is that fisting is dangerous and likely to lead to many injuries or ailments Not that it is low risk for stds. Dear lord, these people. 100% just trying to normalize fetishes.

 

[Dickies]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

 

[djmich]

Better point.

It's a terrible, disgusting, and downright offensive point.

What exactly is wrong with the point that you should be expect to bear responsibility for the content of what you link to. If the GOP linked a KKK site my response wouldn’t be “well it’s not theirs”

You find nothing wrong with comparing a teen sexual health and education organization to the KKK and Nazis?

I wasn't comparing the level of wrong, the point was you can't dissociate yourself from things you associate with. I don't care that the NEA didn't create the content, if they promote it then I'm going to assume they're supportive of it.

 

[Dickies]

Better point.

It's a terrible, disgusting, and downright offensive point.

What exactly is wrong with the point that you should be expect to bear responsibility for the content of what you link to. If the GOP linked a KKK site my response wouldn’t be “well it’s not theirs”

You find nothing wrong with comparing a teen sexual health and education organization to the KKK and Nazis?

I wasn't comparing the level of wrong, the point was you can't dissociate yourself from things you associate with. I don't care that the NEA didn't create the content, if they promote it then I'm going to assume they're supportive of it.

There is no link to the LGBTQ Caucus on the NEA's website as far as I can tell.

 

[Desert_Power]

I looked into this a bit deeper and learned the NEA LGBTQ Caucus is an entirely different organization than the NEA. Here is their website.

In order to get to the page that links to the organization that has a link to "fisting" you need to purchase a membership in order to receive a badge. Here is the page without the badge.

Again, this isn't in curriculum. There are multiple degrees of separation between the NEA and this website. 99% of teachers are not members of this caucus and likely have no idea they even exist. Even if they do know of their existence there will be even fewer who are members.

This whole thing is about generating maximum outrage and based on the responses in here it's working. Your student isn't going to learn about fisting or rimming in the classroom. They'll learn about it on Pornhub when you're not paying attention.

Shocking that Chris Rufo would post something misleading to generate outrage among conservatives. It isn't like he has a history of this garbage or anything.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

That seems to be an important detail. Didn't know we had so many hockey fans here.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

Thank you for your posts trying to be rational about this aspect of it, it's a point I and others are trying to make.

Especially when you consider the person the OP linked to. Rufo's mission is to lump all this stuff together to make crt and gender issues look as crazy and common as possible. He full-on posts and admits that.

Now, the fisting stuff shouldn't be in there, but the attempt to frame it as teachers pushing agendas and it being in the classroom is just bonkers to me.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I looked into this a bit deeper and learned the NEA LGBTQ Caucus is an entirely different organization than the NEA. Here is their website.

In order to get to the page that links to the organization that has a link to "fisting" you need to purchase a membership in order to receive a badge. Here is the page without the badge.

Again, this isn't in curriculum. There are multiple degrees of separation between the NEA and this website. 99% of teachers are not members of this caucus and likely have no idea they even exist. Even if they do know of their existence there will be even fewer who are members.

This whole thing is about generating maximum outrage and based on the responses in here it's working. Your student isn't going to learn about fisting or rimming in the classroom. They'll learn about it on Pornhub when you're not paying attention.

Shocking that Chris Rufo would post something misleading to generate outrage among conservatives. It isn't like he has a history of this garbage or anything.

I see you beat me to it. It's his m.o., and he doesn't hide it, and still people are falling for it.

 

[Dickies]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

Thank you for your posts trying to be rational about this aspect of it, it's a point I and others are trying to make.

Especially when you consider the person the OP linked to. Rufo's mission is to lump all this stuff together to make crt and gender issues look as crazy and common as possible. He full-in posts and admits that.

Now, the fisting stuff shouldn't be in there, but the attempt to frame it as teachers pushing agendas and it being in the classroom is just bonkers to me.

Thanks. I had never heard of Rufo before this.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

When it’s taught in schools I will join you in objecting to that.

Does it need to be part of the official curriculum? Or will you object to teachers promoting it on school grounds?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

Canadians have sex?

 

[timschochet]

When it’s taught in schools I will join you in objecting to that.

Does it need to be part of the official curriculum? Or will you object to teachers promoting it on school grounds?

I don’t think this question was necessary. But both.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

When it’s taught in schools I will join you in objecting to that.

Does it need to be part of the official curriculum? Or will you object to teachers promoting it on school grounds?

I don’t think this question was necessary. But both.

Well you specified "taught" and the teachers aren't "teaching" it (yet). But they are walking around with QR codes that link to the questionable material and I was wondering if met your criteria for objecting to it. They're clearly promoting it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

Thank you for your posts trying to be rational about this aspect of it, it's a point I and others are trying to make.

Especially when you consider the person the OP linked to. Rufo's mission is to lump all this stuff together to make crt and gender issues look as crazy and common as possible. He full-in posts and admits that.

Now, the fisting stuff shouldn't be in there, but the attempt to frame it as teachers pushing agendas and it being in the classroom is just bonkers to me.

Thanks. I had never heard of Rufo before this.

I think his specialty is the CRT stuff, but I have seen more of this stuff associated with him.

You can Google his tweet/intention about CRT. I've linked and posted that a few times. From my reading his is directly tied to crt stuff, and had a huge hand in getting this front and center for the right.

 

[General Malaise]

Are they separate topics on the syllabus or are they taught together?

 

[Terminalxylem]

That’s pretty graphic, and a far cry from old fashioned sex Ed. It looks like those materials are just being provided to NEA members at an LGBTetc. caucus. Wouldn’t additional scrutiny be applied before kids saw that stuff?

So they made it into a little cookbook type page and titled it sex acts that dont get enough play to keep it hidden?

No, it’s intended for kids to see. But that’s a far cry from them actually being used as curricula anywhere, for anyone.

 

[(HULK)]

@djmich - I will try to answer your question now and maybe put some clearer words to my thoughts.

I think we had a big change during covid, and what I witnessed was:

1. More and more parents involved with what was going on with school and being taught in the classroom. Overall a good thing, but it seems like we are now seeing waaaay more of this type of outrage as well.

2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc.

Now, my position on this is that #2 is way more of an issue and way more common. When we were talking about hiring guards at schools I was posting stats about how many millions of kids go to school without a counselor, psychologist, or nurse. That is bonkers. On top of this, the school had to weigh the fact that many times the abuse and non-acceptance with certain groups of kids comes from the home. IMO it is part of the resposibilty of the school to provide these things and services. Maybe that is a point that we disagree on, not sure.

Where I am going with this is in theory I have 0 issues with all teachers being trained about things like this - sex, sexuality, abuse, whatever. ESPECIALLY since so many schools don't have people trained in those areas for kids. I am glad they are training teachers how to address these issues or refer them where they need to go. I don't think "I can't talk to you, ask your parent" is always the way to go - like I said, many times that's the issue. This isn't grooming, this isn't teachers wanting to indoctrinate kids and turn them bi. I am willing to give the schools and teachers more benefit of the doubt than that. This is why even my position about the teachers learning this stuff is even on the fence. My reaction is that yes, the fisting part might be a little much, but on the surface I have 0 issues with a math teacher being a part of this training, or buttons being worn so kids know they have a place to turn to.

The 40 year shift in the distribution of wealth in this nation has led to a situation where the standard for the average family is that both parents have to work to exist. As such, we are increasingly dependent on schools to perform functions that a stay at home parent might have in the past.

 

[Dickies]

Are they separate topics on the syllabus or are they taught together?

Separate. Lubing 101 is a prerequisite.

 

[(HULK)]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

Gotta agree on this point

 

[(HULK)]

What I laugh about is the narrative that no one proof-reads anything from the NEA and somehow along with a few spelling errors or using their instead of there info about getting lubed up to be fisted (with consent obviously) somehow ended up in this info out of nowhere...and in Power-Point slides to boot...talk about your random occurrences...how in the world did that happen?

It’s not “from the NEA”. It’s a link to an outside organization dedicated to sexual education and counseling

And if the GOP had direct links to the KKK and neo-Nazi groups would you completely disassociate such links with the GOP? I think not. They are endorsing those websites as resources for kids.

GTFO with this ********.

Here is a link to the website causing all the outrage. It seems like an organization with good intentions, and there appears to be a lot of good information on the site.

I agree...getting consent before fisting is always great info.

It's not like it goes into advanced jazz hands technique or anything. Settle down folks!

 

[Boston]

@djmich - I will try to answer your question now and maybe put some clearer words to my thoughts.

I think we had a big change during covid, and what I witnessed was:

1. More and more parents involved with what was going on with school and being taught in the classroom. Overall a good thing, but it seems like we are now seeing waaaay more of this type of outrage as well.

2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc.

Now, my position on this is that #2 is way more of an issue and way more common. When we were talking about hiring guards at schools I was posting stats about how many millions of kids go to school without a counselor, psychologist, or nurse. That is bonkers. On top of this, the school had to weigh the fact that many times the abuse and non-acceptance with certain groups of kids comes from the home. IMO it is part of the resposibilty of the school to provide these things and services. Maybe that is a point that we disagree on, not sure.

Where I am going with this is in theory I have 0 issues with all teachers being trained about things like this - sex, sexuality, abuse, whatever. ESPECIALLY since so many schools don't have people trained in those areas for kids. I am glad they are training teachers how to address these issues or refer them where they need to go. I don't think "I can't talk to you, ask your parent" is always the way to go - like I said, many times that's the issue. This isn't grooming, this isn't teachers wanting to indoctrinate kids and turn them bi. I am willing to give the schools and teachers more benefit of the doubt than that. This is why even my position about the teachers learning this stuff is even on the fence. My reaction is that yes, the fisting part might be a little much, but on the surface I have 0 issues with a math teacher being a part of this training, or buttons being worn so kids know they have a place to turn to.

The 40 year shift in the distribution of wealth in this nation has led to a situation where the standard for the average family is that both parents have to work to exist. As such, we are increasingly dependent on schools to perform functions that a stay at home parent might have in the past.

Can you expand on this...what functions are you talking about?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I will also add that the site that has people outraged is providing sexual education and health resources to......... Canadians

Canadians have sex?

Only doggy style. That way they can both watch Hockey Night in Canada.

 

[(HULK)]

@djmich - I will try to answer your question now and maybe put some clearer words to my thoughts.

I think we had a big change during covid, and what I witnessed was:

1. More and more parents involved with what was going on with school and being taught in the classroom. Overall a good thing, but it seems like we are now seeing waaaay more of this type of outrage as well.

2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc.

Now, my position on this is that #2 is way more of an issue and way more common. When we were talking about hiring guards at schools I was posting stats about how many millions of kids go to school without a counselor, psychologist, or nurse. That is bonkers. On top of this, the school had to weigh the fact that many times the abuse and non-acceptance with certain groups of kids comes from the home. IMO it is part of the resposibilty of the school to provide these things and services. Maybe that is a point that we disagree on, not sure.

Where I am going with this is in theory I have 0 issues with all teachers being trained about things like this - sex, sexuality, abuse, whatever. ESPECIALLY since so many schools don't have people trained in those areas for kids. I am glad they are training teachers how to address these issues or refer them where they need to go. I don't think "I can't talk to you, ask your parent" is always the way to go - like I said, many times that's the issue. This isn't grooming, this isn't teachers wanting to indoctrinate kids and turn them bi. I am willing to give the schools and teachers more benefit of the doubt than that. This is why even my position about the teachers learning this stuff is even on the fence. My reaction is that yes, the fisting part might be a little much, but on the surface I have 0 issues with a math teacher being a part of this training, or buttons being worn so kids know they have a place to turn to.

The 40 year shift in the distribution of wealth in this nation has led to a situation where the standard for the average family is that both parents have to work to exist. As such, we are increasingly dependent on schools to perform functions that a stay at home parent might have in the past.

Can you expand on this...what functions are you talking about?

I was addressing this: "2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc."

Parents are less available to children as we're working more, and more of us are working.

 

[(HULK)]

I might get a time out for this, and if it crosses the line here, so be it.

With 20 seconds and a sharpie you can turn one of those COEXIST bumper stickers into a COEDFIST bumper sticker. Great way to show support IMO

 

[Boston]

@djmich - I will try to answer your question now and maybe put some clearer words to my thoughts.

I think we had a big change during covid, and what I witnessed was:

1. More and more parents involved with what was going on with school and being taught in the classroom. Overall a good thing, but it seems like we are now seeing waaaay more of this type of outrage as well.

2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc.

Now, my position on this is that #2 is way more of an issue and way more common. When we were talking about hiring guards at schools I was posting stats about how many millions of kids go to school without a counselor, psychologist, or nurse. That is bonkers. On top of this, the school had to weigh the fact that many times the abuse and non-acceptance with certain groups of kids comes from the home. IMO it is part of the resposibilty of the school to provide these things and services. Maybe that is a point that we disagree on, not sure.

Where I am going with this is in theory I have 0 issues with all teachers being trained about things like this - sex, sexuality, abuse, whatever. ESPECIALLY since so many schools don't have people trained in those areas for kids. I am glad they are training teachers how to address these issues or refer them where they need to go. I don't think "I can't talk to you, ask your parent" is always the way to go - like I said, many times that's the issue. This isn't grooming, this isn't teachers wanting to indoctrinate kids and turn them bi. I am willing to give the schools and teachers more benefit of the doubt than that. This is why even my position about the teachers learning this stuff is even on the fence. My reaction is that yes, the fisting part might be a little much, but on the surface I have 0 issues with a math teacher being a part of this training, or buttons being worn so kids know they have a place to turn to.

The 40 year shift in the distribution of wealth in this nation has led to a situation where the standard for the average family is that both parents have to work to exist. As such, we are increasingly dependent on schools to perform functions that a stay at home parent might have in the past.

Can you expand on this...what functions are you talking about?

I was addressing this: "2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc."

Parents are less available to children as we're working more, and more of us are working.

Still really not understanding this...I understand something like food if the kid comes from an unfortunate situation or afterschool programs obviously but if you don't have time to raise your kids and teach them about life and are relying on others to do it than you are doing a bad job as a parent.

 

[(HULK)]

@djmich - I will try to answer your question now and maybe put some clearer words to my thoughts.

I think we had a big change during covid, and what I witnessed was:

1. More and more parents involved with what was going on with school and being taught in the classroom. Overall a good thing, but it seems like we are now seeing waaaay more of this type of outrage as well.

2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc.

Now, my position on this is that #2 is way more of an issue and way more common. When we were talking about hiring guards at schools I was posting stats about how many millions of kids go to school without a counselor, psychologist, or nurse. That is bonkers. On top of this, the school had to weigh the fact that many times the abuse and non-acceptance with certain groups of kids comes from the home. IMO it is part of the resposibilty of the school to provide these things and services. Maybe that is a point that we disagree on, not sure.

Where I am going with this is in theory I have 0 issues with all teachers being trained about things like this - sex, sexuality, abuse, whatever. ESPECIALLY since so many schools don't have people trained in those areas for kids. I am glad they are training teachers how to address these issues or refer them where they need to go. I don't think "I can't talk to you, ask your parent" is always the way to go - like I said, many times that's the issue. This isn't grooming, this isn't teachers wanting to indoctrinate kids and turn them bi. I am willing to give the schools and teachers more benefit of the doubt than that. This is why even my position about the teachers learning this stuff is even on the fence. My reaction is that yes, the fisting part might be a little much, but on the surface I have 0 issues with a math teacher being a part of this training, or buttons being worn so kids know they have a place to turn to.

The 40 year shift in the distribution of wealth in this nation has led to a situation where the standard for the average family is that both parents have to work to exist. As such, we are increasingly dependent on schools to perform functions that a stay at home parent might have in the past.

Can you expand on this...what functions are you talking about?

I was addressing this: "2. it became painfully obvious how much kids depending on school for non-school things. For whatever the reason at home might be, kids depend a lot on the public schools for food, role models, guidance, counseling. etc."

Parents are less available to children as we're working more, and more of us are working.

Still really not understanding this...I understand something like food if the kid comes from an unfortunate situation or afterschool programs obviously but if you don't have time to raise your kids and teach them about life and are relying on others to do it than you are doing a bad job as a parent.

I'm talking about the average American, not me. I was fortunate enough to make enough to allow my wife to stay home for several years while my kids were young.

I am saying that more parental time is devoted to work than it was 40 years ago, and that has impacts. How could it not?