The NEA is promoting resources that teach kids about rimming and fisting. (1 Viewer)

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I agree with that 100% and there are far more strains on time and money than there used to be, but you still raise your kids and don't have others do it.

Parents do leave tasks to others. Those that pick up the slack don't really have the luxury of worrying about whether parents should.

And even children with great parents often have a teacher, or coach, or boss, etc. that was a major positive influence on them being who they grew into and that usually is minimally from academic influence.

 

[Dickies]

None of it appears to be true???

Name one thing that isn't true. Are you really going to try and claim that putting that QR code on the badge does not amount to promotion? Really?

Well we can start from the part about "the NEA" which is the National Education Association ("representing more than 3 million school teachers") being responsible for this when it was actually something called the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus where from everything I can tell is a small group of teachers/people (< 100) independent from the actual NEA that is selling badges on the internet to anyone with $2 that may contain a QR code that links to a sex ed resource site (from Canada, I think) that then has a link to pretty explicit material. I may order one myself out of sheer curiosity whether or not the QR code really does go to the site that original article/tweet said it did.

But see, when I read the headline that the NEA is advocating for promoting explicit sexual content at schools it makes me sort of jump and then I find out that's not actually what is happening and it was just sensationalism and misdirection it really turns me off, personally, and I tend to discredit the whole thing as something to be concerned about.

The more apt story here probably should have been that it appears that there was an actual teacher that brought one of these to school in Ohio and the parents are up in arms and a discussion could be had without pinning this incident on the entirety of the NEA. Which I'm sure was the point - LOOK AT WHAT THOSE CRAZY TEACHER LIBS GOD HATING COMMIES ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN NOW!!!

The problem is that most people aren’t like you and will just take the headline at face value and be outraged. Then the whole thing snowballs.

 

[Dickies]

Well we can start from the part about "the NEA" which is the National Education Association ("representing more than 3 million school teachers") being responsible for this when it was actually something called the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus where from everything I can tell is a small group of teachers/people (< 100) independent from the actual NEA that is selling badges on the internet to anyone with $2 that may contain a QR code that links to a sex ed resource site (from Canada, I think) that then has a link to pretty explicit material. I may order one myself out of sheer curiosity whether or not the QR code really does go to the site that original article/tweet said it did.

But see, when I read the headline that the NEA is advocating for promoting explicit sexual content at schools it makes me sort of jump and then I find out that's not actually what is happening and it was just sensationalism and misdirection it really turns me off, personally, and I tend to discredit the whole thing as something to be concerned about.

The more apt story here probably should have been that it appears that there was an actual teacher that brought one of these to school in Ohio and the parents are up in arms and a discussion could be had without pinning this incident on the entirety of the NEA. Which I'm sure was the point - LOOK AT WHAT THOSE CRAZY TEACHER LIBS GOD HATING COMMIES ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN NOW!!!

The NEA doesn't really promote anything "at schools". That's a projection on your part. They promote to educators.

"About Us​

The National Education Association Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer+ Caucus"

Is surely endorsed by the NEA, if not heavy involved. I mean come on. They have been around since the 80's and they use the name NEA. No way that the leadership of the NEA wouldn't have shut down that usage.

The members of the NEA LGBTQ Caucus are also members of the NEA, but I looked and could not find any link from the NEA’s website regarding the Caucus.

 

[TheMagus]

The NEA doesn't really promote anything "at schools". That's a projection on your part. They promote to educators.

"About Us​

The National Education Association Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer+ Caucus"

Is surely endorsed by the NEA, if not heavy involved. I mean come on. They have been around since the 80's and they use the name NEA. No way that the leadership of the NEA wouldn't have shut down that usage.

If this is surely the case, there should be some evidence and I cannot find any. Instead of supposition and implication it's probably better to just stick with the actual facts of situations if the intent is a serious discussion.

As a matter of fact, the NEA actually has a whole resource guide for members regarding LGBTQ+ issues and shockingly there is no reference or links to the NEA-LGBTQ site, "I'm Here" badges, or instructions on fisting.

NEA LGBTQ+ Resources | NEA

This resource page is designed to provide educators with LGBTQ+ information, tools, and resources they need to support transgender and non-binary students, to be more inclusive of LGBTQ+ history in their classrooms, and to stop LGBTQ+ bias and intolerance in our public schools.

www.nea.org

 

[parasaurolophus]

None of it appears to be true???

Name one thing that isn't true. Are you really going to try and claim that putting that QR code on the badge does not amount to promotion? Really?

Well we can start from the part about "the NEA" which is the National Education Association ("representing more than 3 million school teachers") being responsible for this when it was actually something called the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus where from everything I can tell is a small group of teachers/people (< 100) independent from the actual NEA that is selling badges on the internet to anyone with $2 that may contain a QR code that links to a sex ed resource site (from Canada, I think) that then has a link to pretty explicit material. I may order one myself out of sheer curiosity whether or not the QR code really does go to the site that original article/tweet said it did.

But see, when I read the headline that the NEA is advocating for promoting explicit sexual content at schools it makes me sort of jump and then I find out that's not actually what is happening and it was just sensationalism and misdirection it really turns me off, personally, and I tend to discredit the whole thing as something to be concerned about.

The more apt story here probably should have been that it appears that there was an actual teacher that brought one of these to school in Ohio and the parents are up in arms and a discussion could be had without pinning this incident on the entirety of the NEA. Which I'm sure was the point - LOOK AT WHAT THOSE CRAZY TEACHER LIBS GOD HATING COMMIES ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN NOW!!!

This is a good point. What people don't seem to wrap their heads around is that most in here will agree on those specific examples and agree that it should be addressed.

Where it always goes of the rails is the "therefore..." part of the program which is the spectacle of it all. Ie - therefore it's being "taught" in our schools, therefore teachers are groomers, etc.. That and like you said, it usually starts off with a sensationalized link like the OP which people have to weed through and re-read to figure out all the details.

Where the threads go off the rails is when people go out of their way to find every loophole possible to dismiss things.

Big deal this is just teachers viewing it. They aren't teaching kids about it.... Big deal that is just anecdotal...big deal they weren't using official classroom instruction time...big deal they can find worse on tik tok...

Then it moves to ...this is a good thing because when gay kids see this stuff as normal they feel even more comfortable. Why do you hate gay kids.

"Queering sex ed" is a big push right now. NPR interviews, op ed's, social media, etc.

"Pleasure based sex ed" is what the next push will be (has already started)

These things allow teachers to talk about purely sexual acts vs talking about sex mostly due to it being a biological process.

Now some people may actually want that. They are entitled to their opinions. I don't want it and won't be ostriched or gaslit.

 

[TheMagus]

None of it appears to be true???

Name one thing that isn't true. Are you really going to try and claim that putting that QR code on the badge does not amount to promotion? Really?

Well we can start from the part about "the NEA" which is the National Education Association ("representing more than 3 million school teachers") being responsible for this when it was actually something called the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus where from everything I can tell is a small group of teachers/people (< 100) independent from the actual NEA that is selling badges on the internet to anyone with $2 that may contain a QR code that links to a sex ed resource site (from Canada, I think) that then has a link to pretty explicit material. I may order one myself out of sheer curiosity whether or not the QR code really does go to the site that original article/tweet said it did.

But see, when I read the headline that the NEA is advocating for promoting explicit sexual content at schools it makes me sort of jump and then I find out that's not actually what is happening and it was just sensationalism and misdirection it really turns me off, personally, and I tend to discredit the whole thing as something to be concerned about.

The more apt story here probably should have been that it appears that there was an actual teacher that brought one of these to school in Ohio and the parents are up in arms and a discussion could be had without pinning this incident on the entirety of the NEA. Which I'm sure was the point - LOOK AT WHAT THOSE CRAZY TEACHER LIBS GOD HATING COMMIES ARE DOING TO OUR CHILDREN NOW!!!

The problem is that most people aren’t like you and will just take the headline at face value and be outraged. Then the whole thing snowballs.

Social media will be the death of civilization. It's just disappointing when I see posters like @parasaurolophus getting sucked in.

 

[TheMagus]

Where the threads go off the rails is when people go out of their way to find every loophole possible to dismiss things.

Big deal this is just teachers viewing it. They aren't teaching kids about it.... Big deal that is just anecdotal...big deal they weren't using official classroom instruction time...big deal they can find worse on tik tok...

Then it moves to ...this is a good thing because when gay kids see this stuff as normal they feel even more comfortable. Why do you hate gay kids.

"Queering sex ed" is a big push right now. NPR interviews, op ed's, social media, etc.

"Pleasure based sex ed" is what the next push will be (has already started)

These things allow teachers to talk about purely sexual acts vs talking about sex mostly due to it being a biological process.

Now some people may actually want that. They are entitled to their opinions. I don't want it and won't be ostriched or gaslit.

The thread went off the rails in the first post where you linked to a tweet that said

The NEA is the largest teachers union in the country, representing more than 3 million public school teachers in all 14,000 local school districts. And they're actively promoting resources for "putting a fist or whole hand into a person's vagina or bum." Disgraceful.

which is factually incorrect by any objective measure and designed to inspire outrage.

I'm done now and don't feel like piling on. I just happened to go down this particular rabbit hole for some reason.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The NEA doesn't really promote anything "at schools". That's a projection on your part. They promote to educators.

"About Us​

The National Education Association Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer+ Caucus"

Is surely endorsed by the NEA, if not heavy involved. I mean come on. They have been around since the 80's and they use the name NEA. No way that the leadership of the NEA wouldn't have shut down that usage.

If this is surely the case, there should be some evidence and I cannot find any. Instead of supposition and implication it's probably better to just stick with the actual facts of situations if the intent is a serious discussion.

As a matter of fact, the NEA actually has a whole resource guide for members regarding LGBTQ+ issues and shockingly there is no reference or links to the NEA-LGBTQ site, "I'm Here" badges, or instructions on fisting.

NEA LGBTQ+ Resources | NEA

This resource page is designed to provide educators with LGBTQ+ information, tools, and resources they need to support transgender and non-binary students, to be more inclusive of LGBTQ+ history in their classrooms, and to stop LGBTQ+ bias and intolerance in our public schools.

www.nea.org

So let me get this straight. I need to prove that the NEA-LGBTQ is actually endorsed by the NEA instead of you having to prove that they aren't?

 

[Genxersrule]

The NEA doesn't really promote anything "at schools". That's a projection on your part. They promote to educators.

"About Us​

The National Education Association Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer+ Caucus"

Is surely endorsed by the NEA, if not heavy involved. I mean come on. They have been around since the 80's and they use the name NEA. No way that the leadership of the NEA wouldn't have shut down that usage.

If this is surely the case, there should be some evidence and I cannot find any. Instead of supposition and implication it's probably better to just stick with the actual facts of situations if the intent is a serious discussion.

As a matter of fact, the NEA actually has a whole resource guide for members regarding LGBTQ+ issues and shockingly there is no reference or links to the NEA-LGBTQ site, "I'm Here" badges, or instructions on fisting.

NEA LGBTQ+ Resources | NEA

This resource page is designed to provide educators with LGBTQ+ information, tools, and resources they need to support transgender and non-binary students, to be more inclusive of LGBTQ+ history in their classrooms, and to stop LGBTQ+ bias and intolerance in our public schools.

www.nea.org

So let me get this straight. I need to prove that the NEA-LGBTQ is actually endorsed by the NEA instead of you having to prove that they aren't?

What you need to prove is that fisting is endorsed by the NEA and taught in schools. Maybe spend your time focusing on real issues like catholic priests and the boy scouts?

What a crazy society we have where this kind of nonsense is blown up into the NEA IS SUPPORTING FISTING BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS!

Very very sad.

 

[parasaurolophus]

"THE FOLLOWING DINNER ATTENDEES WILL BE RECOGNIZED AT THE CAUCUS DINNER:​

• Individually by name:
  • NEA Officers;
  • NEA Executive Director;
  • NEA Executive Committee; and
  • Caucus Steering Committee."

I mean I guess we can still argue they are some fledgling uncontrollable rogue group that just mooches the name...

 

[Dickies]

The NEA doesn't really promote anything "at schools". That's a projection on your part. They promote to educators.

"About Us​

The National Education Association Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer+ Caucus"

Is surely endorsed by the NEA, if not heavy involved. I mean come on. They have been around since the 80's and they use the name NEA. No way that the leadership of the NEA wouldn't have shut down that usage.

If this is surely the case, there should be some evidence and I cannot find any. Instead of supposition and implication it's probably better to just stick with the actual facts of situations if the intent is a serious discussion.

As a matter of fact, the NEA actually has a whole resource guide for members regarding LGBTQ+ issues and shockingly there is no reference or links to the NEA-LGBTQ site, "I'm Here" badges, or instructions on fisting.

NEA LGBTQ+ Resources | NEA

This resource page is designed to provide educators with LGBTQ+ information, tools, and resources they need to support transgender and non-binary students, to be more inclusive of LGBTQ+ history in their classrooms, and to stop LGBTQ+ bias and intolerance in our public schools.

www.nea.org

So let me get this straight. I need to prove that the NEA-LGBTQ is actually endorsed by the NEA instead of you having to prove that they aren't?

How should we prove that they aren’t? I have already spent more time than I should have scouring the NEA’s website looking for an endorsement of the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus and found nothing. That still doesn’t prove to me that they aren’t endorsed by the NEA, but if I were to choose a side I would say the NEA does not explicitly endorse them.

 

[Genxersrule]

"THE FOLLOWING DINNER ATTENDEES WILL BE RECOGNIZED AT THE CAUCUS DINNER:​

• Individually by name:
  • NEA Officers;
  • NEA Executive Director;
  • NEA Executive Committee; and
  • Caucus Steering Committee."

I mean I guess we can still argue they are some fledgling uncontrollable rogue group that just mooches the name...

I mean surely fisting is going to find its way into everyday curriculum. Just like tranny reading day or whatever it was that conservatives got so outraged about.

That's clearly the more reasonable explanation.

 

[parasaurolophus]

What you need to prove is that fisting is endorsed by the NEA and taught in schools

For what? To make you happy? I didn't say it was taught by schools. I said they were promoting the resources.

The best argument put forth so far is that the NEA isn't doing it, it is a rogue NEA named group doing it.

 

[Genxersrule]

What you need to prove is that fisting is endorsed by the NEA and taught in schools

For what? To make you happy? I didn't say it was taught by schools. I said they were promoting the resources.

The best argument put forth so far is that the NEA isn't doing it, it is a rogue NEA named group doing it.

But isn't that your whole angle. That it is endorsed by the NEA and will be made available to kids if not taught? If not, why the outrage of some stupid splinter group?

 

[parasaurolophus]

The resources are clearly designed to be taught in schools. Why should we wait until they have penetrated the curriculum before objecting to them?

This is the same routine every time. You people tell us to wait until it is common before we get upset and try to stop it.

 

[parasaurolophus]

What you need to prove is that fisting is endorsed by the NEA and taught in schools

For what? To make you happy? I didn't say it was taught by schools. I said they were promoting the resources.

The best argument put forth so far is that the NEA isn't doing it, it is a rogue NEA named group doing it.

But isn't that your whole angle. That it is endorsed by the NEA and will be made available to kids if not taught? If not, why the outrage of some stupid splinter group?

Careful buddy. Your team will turn on you for that.

 

[Genxersrule]

What you need to prove is that fisting is endorsed by the NEA and taught in schools

For what? To make you happy? I didn't say it was taught by schools. I said they were promoting the resources.

The best argument put forth so far is that the NEA isn't doing it, it is a rogue NEA named group doing it.

But isn't that your whole angle. That it is endorsed by the NEA and will be made available to kids if not taught? If not, why the outrage of some stupid splinter group?

Careful buddy. Your team will turn on you for that.

You sure about that? Do I need to count the number of times it's been said that the material is not appropriate and shouldn't have been linked? This isn't the right's inane defending of Trump sharypying the weather map or asking doctors if they thought of shoving light and bleach up our bums to cure covid?

 

[Dickies]

The resources are clearly designed to be taught in schools. Why should we wait until they have penetrated the curriculum before objecting to them?

This is the same routine every time. You people tell us to wait until it is common before we get upset and try to stop it.

They absolutely are not. They were taken from a Toronto-based outreach group that provides sexual education, counseling and healthcare resources to teens, with an emphasis on LGBTQ.

 

[CHEF]

Maybe I am missing something but why do NEA members need to spend time learning what fisting is?

I don’t want them learning on the streets.

Exactly. Sharing dirty fists leads to so many problems. It's why I've been advocating for fist washing stations in parks for years now.

'Safe' rimming is even more important.

Good luck. Too safe and you lose flavor.

In fairnesss, the old 'go ask Alice' page linked to by most schools provided details on how to use suran wrap. Makes it a totally safe and wholesome act at that poimt.

They called it a dental dam when I was in school. It's not like these things are just now being taught in schools. People are acting like this is so shocking and nobody ever talked about these things in school before. I learned this stuff over 35 years ago in school. Kids find out anyway, no matter if parents want them to know or not.

 

[Genxersrule]

Maybe I am missing something but why do NEA members need to spend time learning what fisting is?

I don’t want them learning on the streets.

Exactly. Sharing dirty fists leads to so many problems. It's why I've been advocating for fist washing stations in parks for years now.

'Safe' rimming is even more important.

Good luck. Too safe and you lose flavor.

In fairnesss, the old 'go ask Alice' page linked to by most schools provided details on how to use suran wrap. Makes it a totally safe and wholesome act at that poimt.

They called it a dental dam when I was in school. It's not like these things are just now being taught in schools. People are acting like this is so shocking and nobody ever talked about these things in school before. I learned this stuff over 35 years ago in school. Kids find out anyway, no matter if parents want them to know or not.

It's a good thing we have conservatives around to protect the children. Reminds me of the video game hysteria in the 80's.

But to be for real for a moment, like if rimming and fisting were in any way part of some kind of sex ed class other than to mention them and hopefully say don't do them, most parents would be at the school the next day. Reminds me of how conservatives went nuts earlier because a book or two described adults having sex with kids as part of the story. Think of the Children!

 

[Doug B]

"THE FOLLOWING DINNER ATTENDEES WILL BE RECOGNIZED AT THE CAUCUS DINNER:​

• Individually by name:
  • NEA Officers;
  • NEA Executive Director;
  • NEA Executive Committee; and
  • Caucus Steering Committee."

Can you link to this specifically? I am looking for this text on nea-lgbtqc.org and cannot locate it.

 

[Doug B]

So let me get this straight. I need to prove that the NEA-LGBTQ is actually endorsed by the NEA instead of you having to prove that they aren't?

From the bottom of the NEA-LGBTQ homepage:

DISCLAIMER​

The views expressed in this document are those of the Caucus. The Caucus has no authority to speak for, or act on behalf of, the NEA.​

​

Looking over that page and the origins of the caucus, it's clear that the NEA-LGBTQ is a group-within-a-group -- at least it appears to have been formed that way. I can't tell if membership is limited to NEA members or if non-union teachers can join (also not sure how common it is for a teacher in the U.S. not to belong to the NEA).

The NEA is probably in a tough spot. I would bet the NEA largely and broadly agrees with the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus's mission. I would also bet that there are many details of the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus's mission that the NEA as a body does not support yet cannot publicly oppose in today's political climate.

All of that said: It's also clear that NEA-LGBTQ Caucus endorsement is not nearly NEA endorsement.

I'm not sure if it's fair to say that the NEA -- if it doesn't endorse some part of the Caucus's mission -- needs to fight vigorously to prevent the Caucus from using the NEA trademark. Perhaps since the NEA-LGBTQ Caucus is made up of (mostly?) NEA members, their dues to the NEA give them some rights to the trademark. The specifics here are murky to me.

 

[(HULK)]

Anyone remember that manifesto from that club (not sure which, something like gay/straight alliance or something similar) that was posted here like 2ish weeks ago.

I found that about 1000x more troublesome than this material. Even though what a club decides to do is a horse of a different color than whatever material a teacher may make available.

 

[squistion]

Look, if this material was taught, or provided as an additional resource somehow, or even available via a link or QR code in some material shared with school kids, it shouldn't have been.

I have zero problem with it, but most of society does. It had no business intersecting with school kids in any way shape or form. Please stop arguing that it was only sorta tangentially shared with the kids. That is a binary point, it either was or wasn't. If it was, it shouldn't have been. If it wasn't at all, then you can climb on your soapbox about over-reactions. But if it was, the reactions by people taking issue with it are fair IMO.

I agree with the bolded which is why I personally went down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the heck was going on.

But when you start a thread called "The NEA is promoting resources that teach kids about rimming and fisting." linking to a tweet that says "The NEA is the largest teachers union in the country, representing more than 3 million public school teachers in all 14,000 local school districts. And they're actively promoting resources for "putting a fist or whole hand into a person's vagina or bum." Disgraceful." and then none of that appears to actually be true you lose me pretty quickly. Much like I close articles where the headline is deceptive and not supported by the article.

If there is a pertinent topic to discuss or an argument to be made it shouldn't have to be twisted to mislead away from actual facts. And when it is all twisted up your credibility becomes toast with me and I ignore it.

But when you start a thread called "The NEA is promoting resources that teach kids about rimming and fisting." linking to a tweet that says "The NEA is the largest teachers union in the country, representing more than 3 million public school teachers in all 14,000 local school districts. And they're actively promoting resources for "putting a fist or whole hand into a person's vagina or bum." Disgraceful." and then none of that appears to actually be true you lose me pretty quickly. Much like I close articles where the headline is deceptive and not supported by the article.

If that is the case, then this thread should be locked by the mods.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The resources are clearly designed to be taught in schools. Why should we wait until they have penetrated the curriculum before objecting to them?

This is the same routine every time. You people tell us to wait until it is common before we get upset and try to stop it.

They absolutely are not. They were taken from a Toronto-based outreach group that provides sexual education, counseling and healthcare resources to teens, with an emphasis on LGBTQ.

That, and I would guess teachers attend all kinds of training events and are given all kinds of resources and links to resources that aren't taught or designed to be taught in school. Why do people think this is different.

IE - I would expect them to have access to info about suicide, how kids can and are hurting themselves, whatever. Does that mean that teachers are going to be teaching kids how to self harm?

 

[djmich]

As long as we’re all agreed that this is some silly splinter group and that rimming and fisting shouldn’t make it’s way into materials that teachers receive…I think we can all shake hands and go have a drink. Wohoo

 

[massraider]

God hating Marxist teachers

My next fantasy football team name

 

[KarmaPolice]

God hating Marxist teachers

My next fantasy football team name

I had to click on that. Pinkham

 

[Dickies]

As long as we’re all agreed that this is some silly splinter group and that rimming and fisting shouldn’t make it’s way into materials that teachers receive…I think we can all shake hands and go have a drink. Wohoo

I’m buying.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The resources are clearly designed to be taught in schools. Why should we wait until they have penetrated the curriculum before objecting to them?

This is the same routine every time. You people tell us to wait until it is common before we get upset and try to stop it.

They absolutely are not. They were taken from a Toronto-based outreach group that provides sexual education, counseling and healthcare resources to teens, with an emphasis on LGBTQ.

That, and I would guess teachers attend all kinds of training events and are given all kinds of resources and links to resources that aren't taught or designed to be taught in school. Why do people think this is different.

IE - I would expect them to have access to info about suicide, how kids can and are hurting themselves, whatever. Does that mean that teachers are going to be teaching kids how to self harm?

If those were resources to talk to kids about injuries or illnesses that could be related to the behavior, this point might make more sense.

But I am quite confident there has never been a how to cut yourself guide given to teachers.

 

[(HULK)]

God hating Marxist teachers

My next fantasy football team name

I like the irony of Money Grubbing Marxists a bit more

 

[(HULK)]

This was my favorite thread of the week. A round of fist bumps for everyone!

 

[acarey50]

As long as we’re all agreed that this is some silly splinter group and that rimming and fisting shouldn’t make it’s way into materials that teachers receive…I think we can all shake hands and go have a drink. Wohoo

Just as long as you're sure to wash your hands first. I don't know where it's been.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This was my favorite thread of the week. A round of fist bumps for everyone!

You need to ask for consent.

 

[FairWarning]

This was my favorite thread of the week. A round of fist bumps for everyone!

Social distancing is appropriate here, we don’t know where your fist has been.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The resources are clearly designed to be taught in schools. Why should we wait until they have penetrated the curriculum before objecting to them?

This is the same routine every time. You people tell us to wait until it is common before we get upset and try to stop it.

They absolutely are not. They were taken from a Toronto-based outreach group that provides sexual education, counseling and healthcare resources to teens, with an emphasis on LGBTQ.

That, and I would guess teachers attend all kinds of training events and are given all kinds of resources and links to resources that aren't taught or designed to be taught in school. Why do people think this is different.

IE - I would expect them to have access to info about suicide, how kids can and are hurting themselves, whatever. Does that mean that teachers are going to be teaching kids how to self harm?

If those were resources to talk to kids about injuries or illnesses that could be related to the behavior, this point might make more sense.

But I am quite confident there has never been a how to cut yourself guide given to teachers.

We will find out when Rufo decides that this group of people is worth his ire and he Tweets all the examples for you guys to get fired up about.

I think it's more likely that if we scoured every link or every suggested reading in every training packet from every teacher conference, we would stuff we also highly disagree with being "taught" to kids, that somehow the people we trust our kids with for hours a day are intelligent and responsible enough not to purposely show to our kids.

 

[KarmaPolice]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

 

[Sabertooth]

So by the logic in here, NEA-LGTBQ caucus is to the NEA as the Proud Boys are to the GOP?

 

[Sabertooth]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

The GOP is full on running a war against intelligence. Have been for 30 years. It’s just now the funding cuts have all been made so they are trying to make teaching, as a profession, undesirable.

They want to make teachers into bodyguards, they they want to have teacher rat out kids who come to them in confidence.

It’s awful but the true end goal here is making people dumber so they keep voting against their own best interests. I believe it’s working too, test score are declining.

 

[KarmaPolice]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

The GOP is full on running a war against intelligence. Have been for 30 years. It’s just now the funding cuts have all been made so they are trying to make teaching, as a profession, undesirable.

They want to make teachers into bodyguards, they they want to have teacher rat out kids who come to them in confidence.

It’s awful but the true end goal here is making people dumber so they keep voting against their own best interests. I believe it’s working too, test score are declining.

I don't agree with your first sentence. I think it insults the right too much to claim that. I think people could claim that is the outcome of some of their policies or decisions, but I don't think the GOP is going in with a goal of making America dumber.

 

[djmich]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

The GOP is full on running a war against intelligence. Have been for 30 years. It’s just now the funding cuts have all been made so they are trying to make teaching, as a profession, undesirable.

They want to make teachers into bodyguards, they they want to have teacher rat out kids who come to them in confidence.

It’s awful but the true end goal here is making people dumber so they keep voting against their own best interests. I believe it’s working too, test score are declining.

I don't agree with your first sentence. I think it insults the right too much to claim that. I think people could claim that is the outcome of some of their policies or decisions, but I think the GOP is going in with a goal of making America dumber.

I’d say the whole thing is rubbish.

I think you forgot a “not” in your last sentence…Freudian slip

 

[KarmaPolice]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

The GOP is full on running a war against intelligence. Have been for 30 years. It’s just now the funding cuts have all been made so they are trying to make teaching, as a profession, undesirable.

They want to make teachers into bodyguards, they they want to have teacher rat out kids who come to them in confidence.

It’s awful but the true end goal here is making people dumber so they keep voting against their own best interests. I believe it’s working too, test score are declining.

I don't agree with your first sentence. I think it insults the right too much to claim that. I think people could claim that is the outcome of some of their policies or decisions, but I think the GOP is going in with a goal of making America dumber.

I’d say the whole thing is rubbish.

I think you forgot a “not” in your last sentence…Freudian slip

Doh - slightly important "don't" I missed there.

 

[Sabertooth]

So all of their policies just happen to end up with a dumber electorate but that isn’t their goal? I disagree. They’ve lost the benefit of the doubt. I believe it is intentional.

 

[BassNBrew]

Will the players like Durant and Lebron be getting involved or just the teams?

• Boston Celtics: "Celtic Pride"
• Dallas Mavericks: "Dallas In"
• Golden State Warriors: "Gold Blooded"
• Memphis Grizzlies: "MemThis"
• Milwaukee Bucks: "Fear the Deer"
• Phoenix Suns: "Rally in the Valley"

 

[KarmaPolice]

Yeah, saber - can't agree with your thinking, but I look forward to para attributing that comment to me and everybody else he thinks is on the opposing team later.

 

[Genxersrule]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

The GOP is full on running a war against intelligence. Have been for 30 years. It’s just now the funding cuts have all been made so they are trying to make teaching, as a profession, undesirable.

They want to make teachers into bodyguards, they they want to have teacher rat out kids who come to them in confidence.

It’s awful but the true end goal here is making people dumber so they keep voting against their own best interests. I believe it’s working too, test score are declining.

Voting patterns by education level easily tie into this.

 

[parasaurolophus]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

Your effort to this is amazing.

I am surprised you haven't used the "well some kid might go to work for ABS so this information is helpful"

 

[sho nuff]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

Your effort to this is amazing.

I am surprised you haven't used the "well some kid might go to work for ABS so this information is helpful"

In what way is his depiction of the situation not accurate?

 

[KarmaPolice]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

Your effort to this is amazing.

I am surprised you haven't used the "well some kid might go to work for ABS so this information is helpful"

Gotta try to keep up with other's efforts to frame these examples in a way that isn't reality.

 

[KarmaPolice]

So if I am understanding this correctly, another way to look at it is that in order for a kid to get "taught" about these things they:

Have to want to ask a teacher about LGBTQ things in the first place, have a teacher in the school that paid $2 for one of these badges, have that teacher be a teacher that they are comfortable enough talking to about these things with, have that conversation lead to the teacher suggesting them use the QR code because there is more information there, have the kid actually use that QR code, and while navigating that link they come across information about fisting and/or rimming.

Your effort to this is amazing.

I am surprised you haven't used the "well some kid might go to work for ABS so this information is helpful"

In what way is his depiction of the situation not accurate?

Yes, I purposely put a little spice and snark in there, but I don't think it's a completely inaccurate description of what would have to happen for this info to be in front of one of our kids.