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The NFL is Horrible This Year (3 Viewers)
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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Only 3 afternoon games kind of sucks.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I actually thought it was decent until this week, kind of hurts the product when have six teams on a bye and four of them have winning records, and three of them have legit shots to win their divisions and make some noise in the playoffs.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This is a problem too. They need to space these games out better.
You'd think it wouldn't be that hard.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You would think, look at bye weeks. There is no reason to have the bye weeks spread out this far.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
At this point they should do what MLB during all star week, or the NHL does during the Olympics. Just give all the teams a week off before Thanksgiving. Week nine or ten.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The league needs to move to 18 games over 20 weeks. Space the bye weeks out better. I might be in favor of each division having a collective bye week - for example, the NFC south all have a week 9 bye. If there’s two bye weeks there would need to be more than 4 teams off unless your bye weeks extend from week 3-18, but those details can be managed. This might not be favorable with TV but as a concept it’s worth considering imo.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That would be fine too imo. But again, money speaks.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. Every time we blindly side with labor/players in this league, the practices get cut and quality goes down. It’s the age-old situation of “it’s hard damn work not doing any work.”
And I get it. It’s brutal on the body and free time is king. I don’t begrudge it. It’s just the ones who are really dedicated are prevented because “volunteer” practices are anything but. And those that can’t help themselves ruin it. “Everybody go home.”
This year is actually not bad. The problem, I think, is twofold. The new kickoff rules have spotted offenses a first down or so on average and the starting field position
Actually, crap. I can’t believe I found this. I thought I was so smart knowing that the Cover 2 was instituted (not created but mastered by Fangio) in 2019~ or so to beat Patrick Mahomes quite specifically. Then it spread to other teams to beat Mahomes, and then they used it for the good QBs, and then every QB!
This explains it. Delves into both. Give ‘em the ball ten yards closer to the end zone and take away the deep ball.
Yawn. It was yr QB they threw it at, ChiefD
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Insein
Footballguy
Worst year you've ever seen... So far.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Best game of the day. One good game.Jets/Bengals was a barn burner!
massraider
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
It ain’t the offensive lines. It is that they are dropping everybody deep and the receivers can’t go anywhere. Funnel them to the flats and seams and that’s what you’re left with as an offense. The lines seem lousy because the coverage buys time for the pass rushers. So you dink, dunk, or run. Here, we can all use some ball knowledge. Peace.
How to Beat the Cover 2 Zone
You Think Your Biggest Problem Is Your Opponent. You’re Wrong. It’s Time.
Why is this important? Because we are looking to exploit the 2 deep seams and the defense is going to offset this by assigning an underneath defender to cover our slot receivers as they travel to the deep halves. When the defense does this we are looking for ways to attack that area where the linebacker left. This area will be in the mid-hook or curl areas depending who the defense has carrying the slot to the safeties.Related: Tight Red Zone Bunch Formation Answer
High Low The Corners
The corner in cover 2 will be responsible for the flat to his side. They will also be asked to get depth on any ball thrown behind them to buy time for the safety as he works outside the hash. A common way to put this corner in a bind is to run a route in front of him and behind him. The Smash concept is a common way to do this with the outside receiver running a five yard hitch as the slot receiver runs a corner route. It is always important to not only study the depth of the cornerback when attacking this area but also the width of the safety’s alignment.Sit Down In Zones
There will be holes in the underneath zones even though the defense has five underneath defenders. This is particularly true when you diagnose which linebacker is getting depth to help the safeties. The quarterback and receivers need to understand this. Pass plays should be favored that are designed to allow a receiver to throttle in a hole vs zone coverage. These are better options than ones where the receiver is staying on the move like they do vs man coverage.Make Life Hard On The Linebackers
When a team plays 2 deep they are giving up a defender, namely a safety to defend the run. Because of this the defensive front and linebackers have to do a great job compensating for this. An offensive coordinator can take advantage of this by calling play action passes that require the linebackers to freeze or even step up before dropping to their underneath zones on a pass. This can go a long way with creating an area behind the linebackers and in front of the safeties where you can run crossing routes and other similar concepts.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Could’ve just bumped last year’s thread..
Donnybrook
Footballguy
KC Philly Super bowl is all but assured, IMHO.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The circle of Parity:
I am glad I am not a big gambler.
I am glad I am not a big gambler.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Especially if, like me, you work Sunday mornings.
I usually get back home around halftime of the afternoon games. Having just 3 of them sucks.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I hear ya GB.
You are trying to mentally prepare for when the Colts win the Super Bowl.
I hear ya, buddy, Let it out. It's going to be okay.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Here's the worst part:
the advertising that has crept its way into Red Zone this year.
the advertising that has crept its way into Red Zone this year.
efactor
Footballguy
And some teams have byes in week 14. Shouldn't be past week 12 IMO.
efactor
Footballguy
While I thought 16 games was perfect, 17 is idiotic. Even numbers just work better.
Also, 6 playoff teams was perfect. Two teams with a bye week. 7 is idiotic too. That odd numbered thing again. Stop it NFL
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This week was the worst
I agree that o line play across the league is terrible
I agree that o line play across the league is terrible
FairWarning
Footballguy
No reason they can’t have the bye weeks from 7-10, 8 teams each week -4 afc and 4 nfc.
The biggest problem is too many national tv games. The play suffers when it’s constant Sunday, Monday, Thursday nights, European travel, etc. just not enough recovery time.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am fine with that too. Anything is better than what they do now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Doubleheader Monday night games suck. Games in Europe sucks.
btemp
Footballguy
(a) There's a total lack of parity.
You have a couple of surprise teams every year, but before the season starts you can predict 80% of the (competitive) playoff teams. We're still in the stage of the season where some records are close (Bears are one game behind the Lions) but competitiveness is not. There are very wide gaps.
Hell almost a third of the league (10 teams) hasn't appeared in the playoffs since the 2021 season.
(b) officiating is horrible.
And the NFL doesn't care. There are way too many rules applied inconsistently. I enjoy football and fantasy but Red Zone now. I struggle to watch many stand along games due to officiating. Its hard to invest when single, obvious blown calls swing games. Or stupid stuff like Patrick Mahomes trucking defenders near the sideline, then gets trucked himself finally and its a defensive penalty.
You have a couple of surprise teams every year, but before the season starts you can predict 80% of the (competitive) playoff teams. We're still in the stage of the season where some records are close (Bears are one game behind the Lions) but competitiveness is not. There are very wide gaps.
Hell almost a third of the league (10 teams) hasn't appeared in the playoffs since the 2021 season.
(b) officiating is horrible.
And the NFL doesn't care. There are way too many rules applied inconsistently. I enjoy football and fantasy but Red Zone now. I struggle to watch many stand along games due to officiating. Its hard to invest when single, obvious blown calls swing games. Or stupid stuff like Patrick Mahomes trucking defenders near the sideline, then gets trucked himself finally and its a defensive penalty.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think they're thinking about their wallets and the 17 is to get to 18. I actually don't just think, we know.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This and it's the most overlooked aspect of FF for most who play, it's not fun tracking OL for many
The Rams and the Colts have good to great OL play this season especially run blocking
Most OL are basically average to below in the NFL, you add in injuries to 1 or 2 starters along the OL and things are going to be tough for the offense to make plays
Some QBs can make an avg OL look a lot better than it is, some RBs are more patient and allow for their blocks to take place before they start darting thru holes
I know the 3 OL thing is a joke but he's not far off with the problem for most teams, poor OL play up and down
efactor
Footballguy
I know. Everything is about more revenue. 16 games with 6 playoff teams was perfect and they screw it up due to greed.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I really figured you knew. Just figured we were getting to 18 at some point, so . . .
I'd really love to see them with 17 Weeks, 16 games, and you play everybody in your conference once so errrrrrrybody plays the same schedule and you have a real Super Bowl. This unbalanced garbage just means we don't get to see the best teams in the playoffs. The football sample size is small enough as it is, and then they restrict it?
I get it's tradition, but it's not the best way to figure out merit.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I saw this elsewhere. I don’t really get it?
A beat B who beat C who beat D who beat E who beat A.
It's just that the defensive lines are average to above average.
This isn't the best data...median starter pay and likely excludes bonuses. Regardless, DE and DT is where the money is.
| QB | $8–12M |
| WR | $6–8M |
| RB | $2–3M |
| TE | $4–6M |
| LT/RT (Tackle) | $8–10M |
| Guard | $6–8M |
| Center | $4–6M |
| EDGE/DE | $10–14M |
| Interior DL (DT) | $8–12M |
| Off-ball LB | $5–7M |
| CB | $8–10M |
| S | $5–7M |
| K / P | $1–3M |
warpig33
Footballguy
This. But it will never happen and the NFL knows it. Thus you will continue to watch
product. Can only blame yourselves. I might watch a few plays of a game and once I see the crap effort or inability of a coach to adjust, I turn it off. My honey-do list is miles long so I have other options.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I stopped a couple years ago and it’s great. I watch highlights for a few minutes each week and enjoy the time spent on more enjoyable activities. The NFL was just a habit that isn’t missed once you break the habit.This. But it will never happen and the NFL knows it. Thus you will continue to watch
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Yes, yes and yes.I stopped a couple years ago and it’s great. I watch highlights for a few minutes each week and enjoy the time spent on more enjoyable activities. The NFL was just a habit that isn’t missed once you break the habit.This. But it will never happen and the NFL knows it. Thus you will continue to watch
Is someone honestly going to say that when Dallas beat Detroit 5-0 in 1970 that was great football?
The NFL is "horrible" to some because FF leads to watching too much football, which is like eating too much Haagen Daaz or drinking too much good Scotch
They lose their specialness and the experience gets diluted
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
Easily the least amount of football Ive ever watched.
Between injuries, crap rules, Browns being booty (which isn't new) and everything else... I just cant bother.
Plus, call me crazy - but even Red Zone kinda stinks. The coverage is way worse than it use to be, in terms of getting the screen on where it needs to be
Between injuries, crap rules, Browns being booty (which isn't new) and everything else... I just cant bother.
Plus, call me crazy - but even Red Zone kinda stinks. The coverage is way worse than it use to be, in terms of getting the screen on where it needs to be
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yep, I agree. And the refs are worse than ever too. Just a generally frustrating, lousy experience quite often. The offenses all look alike as well & the defenses are neutered.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
NFL viewers are at the point where they completely distrust officials and it's not just compsiracy theorists and not just incompetence. It's becoming more accceptable to believe they dictate outcomes of games in favor of certain teams and that isn't just some far fetched idea. I know many will slam this post and that is perfectly OK with me. But I do think it's a good conversation to have, even if you're uncomfortable with it.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I would suggest that the refs only seem (more) lousy due to all the modern technology
85 different angles, super slo-mo, frame-by-frame, protecting the QB, etc gives everyone the ability to 2nd guess every single play
Plus the modernized rules are overly-complicated and subjective (i.e. two feet down, make a football move, survive the ground, complete the process, etc)
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Personally, I really only watch an occasional game and maybe a player or two each week that I like to watch nowadays. I have lost the love I have had for the NFL over the past 2-3 years. The NFL sucking today is a product of a few things IMO...
- No defense. So many rules against defense. Absolutely, some of the changes were necessary for player safety, but the bulk of the changes have made it less fun to watch. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT CERTAIN QB's or you will get a penalty. *cough* *cough* Mahomes....
- Poor QB play. A lot of these QB's start their first year without any real mentorship and get thrown into the fire. The whole College system has ruined football across the board. Players aren't learning the way they should before coming to the NFL and are just focused on finding the program that will pay them the most money. A lot of the new QB's can't read defenses and look generally lost out there. This did not used to be the norm look at Aaron Rodgers for example... didn't start til his 4th year. I am not sure we will every see a QB as commanding of an offense as Peyton Manning or as clutch as Tom Brady ever again.
- Gambling- Gambling over the past decade has ruined the sport IMO. Vegas is ALWAYS going to get theirs. So many games seem to get down to the last few minutes and are decided by a field goal. With all the controversy going on in the NBA recently I am sure the controversy will make its way to the NFL at some point. The NFL built it's foundation around several owners with strong ties to gambling in case you were unaware. No way in hell that the Giants vs Denver Broncos game was 100% legit ...
- Injuries- The injuries have been awful really every year for the past 5-10 years. I don't remember their being as many injuries 15 years ago as there are today though. I don't know if that has to do with more Turf fields or what. Yes, the concussion protocol is different that's for sure which causes players to be out more, but I don't remember this many leg injuries to skill players. Maybe it's because the quality of play has lessened so we feel the injuries more?? or maybe it's because of Fantasy football and all the negative energy towards individual players ?? Who knows ??
Money is a big reason why the enjoyment of the NFL has faded for myself and many others. It's a billion dollar product, and with anything that involves a billion dollars shady stuff is going on.
- No defense. So many rules against defense. Absolutely, some of the changes were necessary for player safety, but the bulk of the changes have made it less fun to watch. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT CERTAIN QB's or you will get a penalty. *cough* *cough* Mahomes....
- Poor QB play. A lot of these QB's start their first year without any real mentorship and get thrown into the fire. The whole College system has ruined football across the board. Players aren't learning the way they should before coming to the NFL and are just focused on finding the program that will pay them the most money. A lot of the new QB's can't read defenses and look generally lost out there. This did not used to be the norm look at Aaron Rodgers for example... didn't start til his 4th year. I am not sure we will every see a QB as commanding of an offense as Peyton Manning or as clutch as Tom Brady ever again.
- Gambling- Gambling over the past decade has ruined the sport IMO. Vegas is ALWAYS going to get theirs. So many games seem to get down to the last few minutes and are decided by a field goal. With all the controversy going on in the NBA recently I am sure the controversy will make its way to the NFL at some point. The NFL built it's foundation around several owners with strong ties to gambling in case you were unaware. No way in hell that the Giants vs Denver Broncos game was 100% legit ...
- Injuries- The injuries have been awful really every year for the past 5-10 years. I don't remember their being as many injuries 15 years ago as there are today though. I don't know if that has to do with more Turf fields or what. Yes, the concussion protocol is different that's for sure which causes players to be out more, but I don't remember this many leg injuries to skill players. Maybe it's because the quality of play has lessened so we feel the injuries more?? or maybe it's because of Fantasy football and all the negative energy towards individual players ?? Who knows ??
Money is a big reason why the enjoyment of the NFL has faded for myself and many others. It's a billion dollar product, and with anything that involves a billion dollars shady stuff is going on.
