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The NFL is Horrible This Year (2 Viewers)
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Chaka
Footballguy
That's the "ball in play" number and I wouldn't be surprised if it was less
There are 60 minutes of actual football. Or are we now complaining about the game clock, calling plays in, pre snap reads and QB cadence?
Chaka
Footballguy
That's not much of a stance. I'll gladly take commercials over jersey logos while it lasts.Well before long youre going to have both. Its already in the NBA. And why shouldnt you want the NFL owners to tap into this additional revenue opportunity so they can make even more money.You talk that big game but, throw a couple Exxon and Mattress Plus+ logos on your precious 'niner throwback jerseys and see how it feels. You'll get used to it, of course but, IMO, looking at ads crashing into each other for, however long a commercial free game would take, is worse than regular bathroom and feeding breaks.There’s a reason I don’t often read CBS articles.
The best uni ever was the Chargers powder blues with the lightning strip up the side.
The next best is the 49ers 1994 throwback.
Raiders white with silver letters/numbers a close 3rd.
Somewhere down around 47, among the CFL and Arena league jerseys, but just a smidge above the Any Given Sunday “couldn’t work out a licensing deal with the NFL” unis, that’s where you’ll fine the Orange Crush.
Tampa Bay’s creamsicle uni with the gay pirate is dead last. The Pats OG unis with the patriot in the 3 point stance 2nd to last.
*also I’m pretty much just busting chops here.
When it's both, I'll still probably watch and, my guess is so will you and everyone else in here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, ball in play. That was the point. It’s a 3:1 ratio of commercials to ball in play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Is it time for the feats of strength?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
This makes me think back to the 70s and laugh. Had to get up and change the channel on the TV when a commercial came on.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The worst culprit could also be the 40 second play clock. If a typical NFL play lasts 4-5 seconds, that's a 1-10 ratio of action v standing around, other than in hurry-up/no-huddle situations. But yeah, with commercials and other play stoppages, I'd be very surprised to get 20 minutes of live action in a typical 3 hour game. We're used to the flow of the game as spectators and don't notice it that much, especially with good television announcers to keep us entertained with watching replays and talking points in the down time. The live experience is different - the stoppages are much more annoying.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't think that's correct. It's, roughly a 180 minute broadcast and 60 minutes of game time. That's 120 minutes away from the field and 60 minutes on the field, or 2:1.
For ball in play it's worse than 2:1. Roughly 120 minutes of non-football (can't forget booth time, clock stoppages inside 2 minutes etc) and, let's say 12 minutes of ball in play which is 10:1.
Then you have to consider halftime. Should we include those commercials and studio time in this calculation?
Should we include the, roughly, 48 minutes of live football when the ball is not in play?
Chaka
Footballguy
No. We never seem to get past the airing of grievances.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Google it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - we had Niners season tickets when I was a kid up until like 1983 when they became so valuable my pops sold em. As a kid I distinctly recall the commercial time-outs being the most annoying thing - freezing our butts off at Candlestick while everyone stood around kicking grass.
Definitely with the big contracts.
On Sunday I can watch anything. They all intrigue me. The rest of the week used to be more fun even tho I knew the outcome.
massraider
Footballguy
Just seems longer when watching the current quality of play.
Chaka
Footballguy
Sarcasm detector overload.
massraider
Footballguy
Let's pretend for a moment that the 'yeah yeah, everything was better back in the day' isn't the argument ender some seem to think it is. Obviously, it clearly is; it cannot be argued against, and has constituted the entirety of the NFL is Grrrrrreat argument in this thread. So it's clearly a devastating knockout blow.
But let's pretend, just for a second, that it wasn't.
Is it not even plausible for the NFL to have better times, and worse times? Is the NFL exactly as awesome every single year as it has been since the 1950's? There were no eras that were better or worse than others?
Seems reasonable that there may be some years better than others.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
How well does high level soccer play work in the US? I know more people watch than once did, but it's not as much as, idk NASCAR or something, here. There's a reason I mentioned America, our society is built for commercial time outs.I just pointed out a sports league that has more viewership and virtually no commercials. Therefore it is realistic. It's a matter of what ppl will tolerate. So yeah, then fans excuse these NFL owners, who make their product worse for us so they can get rich. Fans even encourage it, are proud of it even. "Look how much money they are making!" The rich NFL owners aren't entirely to blame it seems.I think it's less about making excuses and more about you not being realistic. Find me a segment of American society that people aren't trying to make the largest profit off of. This isn't an NFL specific issue.Why are you making excuses for these old greedy men? You're even celebrating this, taking pride in it. I don't know what else to tell you. Enjoy your commercials sometimes interupted by football.
Lil abridged history - prior to the 90s owning a sports team was a vanity project for the super rich mostly. The biggest draw were ticket sales. TV stations didn't want to carry football games because they didn't generate add revenue. Then Murdock bought Fox, which only had the XFiles and Simpsons. So he bought NFL TV games and promoted the living hell out of them. Got the best announcers, threw in a bunch of new cameras, made the nfl THE NFL. Suddenly the advertisers were throwing money at them. Fast forward to now and we have Amazon building an entire infrastructure to showcase their one weekly game.
Advertising is so intricately woven into our society that it is what made football, and to a domino effect all of pro sports, what it is to us Americans today. You're asking for the beast to change it's stripes mid-mauling.
Basically you're a dirty dirty communist.
Yes. One of the primary metrics the league tracks and obsesses over is length of game time.
It's why the instant replays are so fast compared to college. Plus lots more.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
Boys aren't turned into men like they used to be.
Boys aren't raised rough n tough like they used to be. Alot of soft whinny players now a days,with the me me me attitude.
It's why you don't give out participation trophies to everyone.
Kids don't try as hard as they use too at things,they are given everything now a days. They don't have to earn shiet!.
Boys aren't raised rough n tough like they used to be. Alot of soft whinny players now a days,with the me me me attitude.
It's why you don't give out participation trophies to everyone.
Kids don't try as hard as they use too at things,they are given everything now a days. They don't have to earn shiet!.
beef
Footballguy
Did I hear right that a play went to replay assist, got called one way, then it got challenged and went back to replay assist, and was reversed? WTF kind of shady system is this? I expect it from our judicial system, but come on NFL. Don't be so obvious as they are for being bought and paid for. At least try to hide it for crying out loud.
beef
Footballguy
We definitely live in a World of creating our own "Peace Prize" awards now to appease the weak, tender snowflakes.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Advertising is definitely ingrained in our culture. But it makes for a worse experience for things like this.
When watching Premier League or Champion's League games and it's halftime and they just need to kill time before the second half, sometimes you'll just get silent random crowd shots, or a static screen or something. I always think wow, I cant believe they wouldnt put commercials here even.
When watching Premier League or Champion's League games and it's halftime and they just need to kill time before the second half, sometimes you'll just get silent random crowd shots, or a static screen or something. I always think wow, I cant believe they wouldnt put commercials here even.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. Kansas City has become painful to watch.
Well, looks like we won't have that problem in the post-season anymore though.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Not really. When this thread was made, the Chiefs were 4-3 and it pretty much looked like a typical start for KC. Their playoff hopes werent really in question at all yet.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Watch the Raiders. That game went by quick yesterday.
Chaka
Footballguy
No it didn't.
Chaka
Footballguy
No it isn't.
Yes it is
Chaka
Footballguy
It's cherry picking data. How would you respond if I said the Bengals v Bills game disproves the point?
There's been numerous BRUTAL prime time games this year. This one just added to the list.
Chaka
Footballguy
The time of the game is irrelevant to whether the product is same, better or worse this year.
And there have been numerous GREAT games in prime time too.
rockaction
Footballguy
You’re right, but perhaps I might be coming to the same conclusion for different reasons. There is a reason, and two pieces of evidence, or what maybe one can call a revealed preference left unspoken, which serves to rebut Soulfly’s point that a Chiefs fan sees a bad result and says “football sucks” because of a relational issue between the two.
Revelations:
1) ChiefD is a reverse jinxer and the most mawkish and maudlin fan about a dynastic team than anyone who ever publicly pronounced the things that I’ve had the pleasure of reading. Not a game goes by that he doesn’t say the Chiefs will lose. He would come into a thread about the Chiefs locking horns with the Oberlin College Exponentially Scaled Administration Oversight Committee of English Majors' Risque Theses, and he’d write a post about how worried he was that the Chiefs and their woefully stitched together roster are going to finally get the deconstruction and literary-themed comeuppance that Andy Reid hasn't prepared his squad for. ChiefD, as it pertains to his football team, could be given a The Holy Grail for Christmas by Brett Veach and ChiefD would curse its gift wrapping as worthless before he poured some of the water on him and upon feeling and looking twenty years younger would solemnly warn Veach about next year and a lack of preparation.
2) The Chiefs stunk from the jump and have been nothing but a solid defense (good to excellent) and Patrick Mahomes. They have nothing on offense. I’ve watched nearly every game since 2019. These past two years have seen luck and then what happens when everything is neutral. I’m going to pat my own back. I saw it in Week One and it has never, ever relented. Their rookie LT was the only talent on offense in a traditional, non-gadget sense. Rashee Rice and Tyquan Thornton are KC's best receivers by far and one doesn’t play while the other can’t run a pattern past ten yards and beats press coverage no more than 15 percent of the time. Slow and LASIK Stompy are their RBs and they prove that replacement theories actually do have a threshold. Their line is now injured but was terrible last year and is again.
And Patrick does not escape blame for what can only be seen as a woeful deep ball.
So the Chiefs being lousy has nothing to do with ChiefD’s broader NFL comment. There is a deep dyspepsia in his comments with a lot of things to do with football. There is little joy there. I wish him well and hope the joyful pursuits of the outdoors that seem to animate him suit his overall disposition better and that he finds the contentment he expresses when he avails himself of them.
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
I will never get over the generation that gave everyone a participation trophy is complaining about the results.
Boys aren't turned into men like they used to be. Back in my day a man would get a minor infection and keel over dead because nampy pampy "medicine" didn't exist. Boys aren't turned into men like they used to be. Back in my day we didn't have this "fire" nonsense and ate the wooly mammoth raw. Boys aren't turned into men like they used to be. We all don't stand around court with powdered wigs and high heels! What's with this generation and wearing girls clothing like flat shoes?
Time man, just keeps trucking.
Chaka
Footballguy
Is this the Josh Gordon thread?
Chaka
Footballguy
Great ending but, the Falcons were playing the Bucs and the Refs. 19 penalties for 125 yards and the Bucs had 4 for 25.
No conspiracy, just pointing out the Falcons played with a ton of heart and refused to quit.
But, that many penalties lends credence to the "NFL is Horrible (but we loves it and never, ever try to takes it away from us)" crowd.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
disagree...I watched that game. Atlanta EARNED those flags. Most were blatant and had to be called .I don't remember a single individual (penalty) call being all that controversial. Sometimes, teams just foul a lot.
FTR, I disagree with the OPs premise. I don't like the way they are protecting the QB, and I don't like how difficult it remains to define what is and isn't a catch....but the NFL is as good as ever in terms of entertainment
Manster
Footballguy
Is there some sloppy play? Yes. There are teams in transition. There are teams who continue to have crappy front offices. Still a waaaay better product than college, and that will not change. The NFL is continual arms race, with parity. The league is built on that. College is literally all about how much money you can spend on coaches and players. It’s not sustainable.
