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The People v OJ Simpson - FX (5 Viewers)
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Slinger
Footballguy
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
strykerpks
Footballguy
shuke said:
He did it[\spoiler]
The General
Footballguy
Cuba Gooding Jr. playing OJ?
shadyridr
Footballguy
SHOW ME THE BLOODY!
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
"This is a crime scene"
No ####?
No ####?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I thought Travolta was playing OJ
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Sarah Paulson perfect as Marcia Clark... Looks like her and is believable as an inept dope
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
With people so csi happy today no chance oj walks
shadyridr
Footballguy
its only ten episodes
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Excellent entertainment, exceeded my expectations. Perfect mix of nostalgia, drama, C list talent to amuse and encourage social media snark, and just a touch of social commentary. Gonna be a massive hit
3C's
Footballguy
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think it will. Between Serial The Jinx, and Making a Murder, the country is eating up any true crime stuff they can at the moment.
packersfan
Footballguy
The prosecution, police and Dennis Fung destroyed all chances they had of a conviction. I watched that case back then and was shocked every time I'd see a TV pundit talk about how the prosecution was winning and a conviction was a slam dunk. Clark and Darden were horrible, the cops were clearly lying about numerous things and Fung got obliterated by the defense with his handling of the DNA. I still remember one day where Clark spent an insane amount of time belittling a guy who golfed with O.J. a day or so before the murders and said he was happy and doing great. She treated the guy like a criminal and all he did was golf with O.J.cockroach said:
Clark wouldn't let up and that to me was a great example of how she never focused on the true evidence of the case (all the blood and leading back to O.J.'s house) and went on so many unnecessary tangents that detracted from the primary matters of the case. I also thought the intense focus on the domestic violence was a mistake because Clark never could connect that to O.J. taking the next step and killing his ex-wife. Not saying he didn't do that but Clark never proved it or provided a strong reason why that no one else could dispute.
There was so much disputed discussion I don't know how any jury could've found him guilty. The day of the recital Clark tried to show O.J. was essentially a madman lying in wait to kill his ex-wife. But here comes a video of the day where he's seen smiling with everyone in the family so they couldn't even prove he was angry and upset and had a motive on the day of the murders. Toss in all the police issues, Fuhrman (who really was a minor problem in the case in my opinion but a problem nonetheless since he was yet another cop lying on the stand) and the DNA bungling and the only verdict that made a lick of sense in my opinion was not guilty.
Again that doesn't mean he's innocent. It means the prosecution didn't prove their case and I don't think they ever did.
As far as the show I watched it last night and it looked good although I agree with others that Cuba Gooding as O.J. really doesn't work physically. He looks so small. And dear God what happened to Travolta's face? Please tell me that's all makeup.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
The defense did a masterful job with jury selection. If you saw any of the interviews of the jurors back then, they had a combined IQ of around 60.
packersfan
Footballguy
I was at a pool party that day and nearly everyone gathered in one of the rooms to watch this on TV. Must've been 30-40 people all watching it. We were transfixed. Never seen anything like it, especially when you consider what a big name O.J. was.Walking Boot said:
packersfan
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kentric
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
I know. I give people too much credit sometimes.
And the defense was masterful. No question. I just felt could there be at least one...just one person on that jury with an ounce of common sense. Get a hung jury and get a retrial. It was such a shame for the families of Nicole and Ron. Just a travesty of justice not being served at that time. And I fully understand you can't be emotional in coming to a verdict. YOu must use all the evidence presented in the case. And the defense did present some reasonable doubt because of how inept the LA police was in gathering the evidence. The blood trail was the killer and it's amazing it was botched. Blood in the Bronco. His initial talk with the police...he could not remember any time lines? Could not remember how he sliced his finger? Come on. What a travesty of ineptitude.
But karma has a way. And OJ is rotting in a cell. So poetic justice was served in that regard. He is never getting out IMO. He will die in prison.
What really sickened me was seeing all these people cheering and high-fiving the not guilty verdict. Absolute disgust of the human race at that moment. And I relaize the tensions between blacks and the LA police was at a fever pitch in those times (probably still is). But this was the wrong case to rally around. Just plain wrong. Guy was guilty as sin.
Two people were butchered and anyone with an ounce of common sense knew OJ did this. This series is bringing it all back.
I am hooked again.
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packersfan
Footballguy
There were jurors who said afterwards they thought he did it but the prosecution didn't completely prove it. And they didn't. The prosecution butchered what on the surface appeared to be an easy case. Blaming the jurors in my opinion ignores the biggest issues here - Clark and Darden were terrible and got a major league ### whooping put on them by the defense.
For me, this was almost entirely about lawyer incompetence. If I was on the jury I would've voted not guilty too given all the bumbling by the prosecution.
Todem
Footballguy
I can't disagree with you. It's just awful though. Your heart just get ripped apart knowing he did it. But the prosecution was just so bad. Agreed.
I still would have probably held out for human principle. Hence why I probably would never have had a snowballs of a chance to be on a jury for that case. Plus I am white....so no way they were putting any non Hispanic white person on the jury even though OJ was well integrated with White non Hispanic people. LOL. What a joke. Jury of his peers my ###. There were two white people in the end though. I don't think race really had anything to do with the verdict of that jury. The prosecution was just that bad. But race had everything to do with the despicable display of support for OJ getting off. Yeah some people will rationalize he was framed.....but that's just absurd.
Jurors
- 28-year-old married black woman, works for the post office, high school graduate; said as a young child, she watched her father beat her mother and "as an adult I don't go for any man being abusive to me''; said she wasn't familiar with DNA; was "shocked'' to hear Simpson was a suspect.
- 24-year-old single black woman, works at a Los Angeles hospital, one year of college; said she has had no experience with domestic violence; said of both sides in the case: "Everybody has a lot to lose or gain.''
- 50-year-old divorced black woman who works as a county collections vendor, two years of college; said she "respects (Simpson) as an individual based on his past accomplishments.''
- 32-year-old single Hispanic man, delivers Pepsi, high school graduate; said Simpson was "a great football player.''
- 37-year-old married black woman, works in a post office, high school graduate; said she doesn't think Simpson "acts too well'' in movies and described the freeway pursuit that ended in Simpson's arrest as "stupid.''
- 38-year-old single black woman, environmental health specialist whose father was a police officer, college graduate; said the 911 tapes of Nicole Brown Simpson calling for police help as Simpson broke through her door in October 1993 "sound frightening.''
- 52-year-old divorced black woman, postal worker, high school graduate; described Simpson as "only human.''
- 22-year-old single white woman who handles insurance claims, college graduate; said she was shocked when she heard Simpson was a suspect.
- 43-year-old married black man who works as a phone company salesman, high school graduate; said he thought Simpson was a good football player; alternate juror until Jan. 18.
- 60-year-old divorced white woman who is a retired gas company clerk, one year of college; said she was the lone holdout in another murder case and managed to get other jurors to change their minds; alternate juror until March 17.
- 44-year-old single black woman who fixes computers and printers for county Superior Court, high school graduate; said Ms. Simpson "wasn't a saint''; had no opinion about whether Simpson is innocent or guilty; said in jury selection, "If I'm not picked, I can look at it and say, they let a good one go;'' alternate juror until April 5.
- 71-year-old married black woman, retired cleaning worker, completed 10th grade; said of the case: "I haven't come to no conclusion one way or the other. ... I don't know nothing about no O.J. Simpson;'' alternate juror until May 26.
If any more jurors are dismissed or cannot continue service, their replacements would be selected randomly from this list:
- 72-year-old married black man, security guard.
- 24-year-old married white woman, receptionist.
- 48-year-old single black man, who does quality control for Hertz Corp., for whom Simpson was a spokesman.
- 38-year-old Hispanic letter carrier who said she had suffered verbal and mental abuse from an ex-boyfriend.
- 63-year-old white female who suffers arthritis and was treated by the same doctor who plans to testify about Simpson's health.
- 46-year-old black courier who was the subject of numerous complaints over several weeks. He denied the allegations, including one that he made a bet with a co-worker before the trial that Simpson would be acquitted.
- 52-year-old married man, half American Indian and half white, who works as an Amtrak manager. Sources say he was suspected of writing a book about the trial. He said was keeping a journal on his computer and acknowledged he might eventually have turned it into a book, but insisted he did nothing wrong.
- 38-year-old married black woman who, as an employment counselor, referred domestic violence victims to other agencies. She failed to reveal a past personal experience with domestic violence. Her complaints about racial strife among jurors and preferential treatment by some deputies prompted the judge to investigate.
- 26-year-old single black woman who works as a flight attendant; told the judge, "I can't take it anymore.'' During jury selection, she said she saw Simpson in "Roots'' and "Naked Gun'' movies and "he seemed like he would have a good sense of humor.''
- 38-year-old married white woman who works for a telephone company. Another juror accused her of receiving preferential treatment from deputies guarding the jury and treating black panelists unfairly. It also was reported that her husband had pneumonia and she told the judge she didn't know if she could continue to serve.
- 54-year-old married black man who works as a postal operations manager; said he was "shocked'' when he first heard Simpson was a suspect; alternate juror until Feb. 7. No reason for dismissal given.
- 28-year-old single Hispanic woman who works as a real estate appraiser with Los Angeles County assessor's office; about the slow-speed pursuit, she said she "wondered why he ran;'' said Simpson was "the only person who had a visible motive;'' had no opinion about whether Simpson was guilty or innocent; alternate juror until May 1. No reason for dismissal given.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
As I understand it, that kind of lax behavior with regard to the prosecution witnesses is standard but had never been put to the stress test of that battery of attorneys.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Too many mentions of the Kardashian kids already.
Todem
Footballguy
The prosecution made a huge blunder with Jury selection by not filing the case in judicial district where the crime was committed. HUGE **CK up.
The racial composition of the jury was strongly influenced by the decision of the prosecution to file the Simpson case in downtown Los Angeles rather than--as is usually the case-- in the judicial district where the crime occurred-- in this case, Santa Monica. Had the case be filed in Santa Monica, the Simpson jury would have been mostly white instead of, as was the case, mostly African-American. With poll data showing that most whites believed Simpson to be guilty and most blacks believing him to be not guilty, the decision to file the case in Santa Monica may have been the biggest mistake the prosecution made. Vincent Bugliosi, the celebrated prosecutor in the Charles Manson case, said the mistake "dwarfed anything the defense did."
The racial composition of the jury was strongly influenced by the decision of the prosecution to file the Simpson case in downtown Los Angeles rather than--as is usually the case-- in the judicial district where the crime occurred-- in this case, Santa Monica. Had the case be filed in Santa Monica, the Simpson jury would have been mostly white instead of, as was the case, mostly African-American. With poll data showing that most whites believed Simpson to be guilty and most blacks believing him to be not guilty, the decision to file the case in Santa Monica may have been the biggest mistake the prosecution made. Vincent Bugliosi, the celebrated prosecutor in the Charles Manson case, said the mistake "dwarfed anything the defense did."
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Iirc there's a rather interesting argument his son did.irishidiot said:
packersfan
Footballguy
For me, race never entered into the equation. I always focused on the case and I never thought the prosecution came close to proving it. In my opinion, had they just focused on the blood trail and that evidence they win the case going away. I forget how long Clark spent on the domestic violence but it felt like weeks before she finally got to the actual evidence that could prove O.J. did it. By then she probably lost a lot of the jurors. She certainly wasn't proving he committed the murders.
I'm not sure how things would've gone if she just focused on the blood evidence given how Dennis Fung was pretty obliterated by the defense's experts but I gotta think their chances of a conviction would've been a lot higher. People may argue the jurors were too stupid to know about the DNA stuff but there was a pretty easy trail of blood from Nicole's place to O.J.'s house that even a child could understand. Focus on that, present that and I gotta believe you win the case.
Even on the show it seems like Clark is so wrapped up in the domestic abuse she loses focus on the evidence. If any of that is true it's easy to see where her first huge misstep occurred.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Two wrongs don't make a right.... but....
Nicole and Ron had been "friends" for a month or two leading up to this. "Strictly platonic" by all accounts. But He was spotted driving her Ferrari around town apparently. Which really means, he was driving OJ's Ferrari.
Now whether he was hittin it or not, doesn't matter. LA is a big city but their social circles seemed like a small town. Does word get out the 25 year old stud is driving his car?
And then she picks his restaurant to have the recital dinner.
None of this justifies the murder. But people get crazy with their exes
Paula Barbieri was a huge upgrade but you can't figure people sometimes
Nicole and Ron had been "friends" for a month or two leading up to this. "Strictly platonic" by all accounts. But He was spotted driving her Ferrari around town apparently. Which really means, he was driving OJ's Ferrari.
Now whether he was hittin it or not, doesn't matter. LA is a big city but their social circles seemed like a small town. Does word get out the 25 year old stud is driving his car?
And then she picks his restaurant to have the recital dinner.
None of this justifies the murder. But people get crazy with their exes
Paula Barbieri was a huge upgrade but you can't figure people sometimes
Todem
Footballguy
To me it was an obvious crime of passion. He ripped her throat like a man who was on a jealous rampage.
Ron Goldman...wrong place...at the wrong time.
packersfan
Footballguy
I always thought Nicole and Ron were hittin it and that's why he came to her house that night. The prosecution did not in any way shape or form wanna talk about Nicole's private life (since there was probably drug use involved) but had they come out and said Ron was going to her house that night to get him some and O.J. knew about it, that at least would've provided a motive. Given how they never were able to provide a motive of any kind that could've helped their case a lot.
rick6668
Footballguy
They did hear about the shoes, but no direct evidence that he wore those shoes until after the trail when the photo came out. The photo was used in the civil suit.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Wow, that is a great point... might have fleshed out some dimension and context but if this show is in any way accurate in reflecting the mindset of the players, she seemed bent on a bit of a feminist bent
packersfan
Footballguy
Clark wanted to show O.J. was a jealous maniac but she never really did it effectively. The 911 tapes and all that proved he's a piece of #### who beat his wife. But it doesn't prove he would kill her or why he would kill her. But if O.J. found out Nicole was sleeping with this young guy and she even had the post-recital party at the place where he worked well now you've got yourself a way to paint a picture of O.J. being jealous and having this thrown into his face drove him to kill.
But if I had to guess Clark and the prosecution found out Nicole liked to party (nothing wrong with that obviously) and didn't want to taint her memory in any way so they didn't use any of that. Unfortunately it denied them of the only real shot at a motive they could come up with. Again lawyer incompetence. To me, that's the defining and lasting memory of the case. How Clark and Darden had a slam-dunk win given to them and they just completely f'd it up. Granted, they weren't helped by the police and Fung but they were often nothing short of incompetent in my opinion. Hell, the show last night pretty much showed how weak Darden was so it's no surprise Cochran was able to goad him into the infamous glove display.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
You know when oj did this I was in high school.
But now being closer to oj's age at the time I guess you see a little more dimension
packersfan
Footballguy
It sure seemed pretty obvious. He's driving her (O.J.'s) car around. He comes to her place late at night while she's got candles lit all over the house. Sure seemed like it was a late-night hookup.
Again, that is a pretty damn good way to offer up a motive but the prosecution blundered. Like I said before they probably didn't want to tarnish Nicole's memory since the defense would've likely gone after her for sleeping around and probable drug use. I'm just guessing on that but it makes sense. It could open the door for the defense to use Nicole's lifestyle as a way of showing she died because she was doing crazy #### and not because O.J. did it. That was some of what they were able to do with the whole Columbian drug stuff. But that was more connected to Faye Resnick. If they were able to put Nicole more squarely into that it helps them even more in terms of creating reasonable doubt.
But if it's me as a prosecutor (and i'm no lawyer for sure) I take that chance because it's my only shot at giving a motive for why O.J. did it. I think the biggest failing that Clark and Darden had is they never could show with any clarity and without dispute why O.J. did it. This would've given them the avenue to do that but they chose not to.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Wouldn't she have invited him into the condo if they were going to hook up? Did she get her mom in on it and have her (mom) leave the glasses in the restaurant on purpose so he would come over for a booty call? I don't buy it.
Sand
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Phew. Pg 2 was not readable.
