IvanKaramazov
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Come on, guys. Yeah, sure, the one-time chair of the Trump campaign has been indicted for conspiracy against the United States. But who among us hasn't conspired against the United States from time to time?
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Roger Stone tells me he last spoke to Paul Manafort three days ago and that, at that point, he did not expect an indictment.
5:54 AM - 30 Oct 2017
It sounds like kind of a big deal."Conspiracy against the United States" whatever that means
It's in reference to the overall scheme and lying to Mueller...on page 23.It sounds like kind of a big deal.
I'd say they have him nailed.
She said something to the effect of: this indictment has more pages than the tax reform billStephanie Ruhle on MSNBC makes my pants tight.
Yeah but that was before the Trump campaign. I'm sure everything was on the up and up with the potus campaign."Conspiracy against the United States" whatever that means
Nothing burger.
Textbook money laundering...Barrack (Colony big swinging **** who is up to his eyeballs in giving money to Trump's campaign) who fronted the money for the Manafort property "loans" must be ####ting his pants.I'd say they have him nailed.
It's going to cause controversy but the best way to explain it is look at the indictment Paragraph 20, page 15, where it says that Manafort hired two companies to do lobbying work. I'm guessing one of those is Podesta Group and the other Mercury. - Happy to be corrected as wrong if I am..I'm lazy. What was the podesta stuff from last week that I missed somehow. People are referencing it and I cant figure out wtf they mean.
The wiring of funds by itself should do it.Textbook money laundering...Barrack (Colony big swinging **** who is up to his eyeballs in giving money to Trump's campaign) who fronted the money for the Manafort property "loans" must be ####ting his pants.
Throw away the key.It sounds like kind of a big deal.
Pardon seems like the slightly more sane way to go.So does Trump pardon Manafort, or just go ahead and fire Mueller?
I am conspiring in my pants right nowWhom amongst us hasn’t conspired against the United States from time to time?
My guess would be he'll do whatever he thinks saves his own butt - will be interesting to see.Funny thing is Trump is in a bit of a pardon trap now.
Technically his argument at face value will be: the charges on Manafort have nothing to do with the campaign.
So then why pardon him? Is Trump going to pardon him for tax evasion and money laundering that supposedly has nothing to do with the dossier or Russia?
A brief 26 page overview."Conspiracy against the United States" whatever that means
The 2017 is in reference to an interview with the FBI where he lied.Para. 14 - the allegations include acts extending into 2017.
Well that ought to scare the hell out of any of these folks who have been interviewed by Mueller, because it means their crimes are viewed as continuing.The 2017 is in reference to an interview with the FBI where he lied.
In any case, this is the easy stuff (much like the Trump hotel in Baku) to prove that any federal prosecutor (much less a guy with the prosecutorial firepower Mueller has) could do. There is BOATLOADS of easy financial crimes to find in Trump's orbit as they relate to Russia and is why he and everyone in his orbit is compromised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UqDX_quk0The 2017 is in reference to an interview with the FBI where he lied.
In any case, this is the easy stuff (much like the Trump hotel in Baku) to prove that any federal prosecutor (much less a guy with the prosecutorial firepower Mueller has) could do. There is BOATLOADS of easy financial crimes to find in Trump's orbit as they relate to Russia and is why he and everyone in his orbit is compromised.
The ironic part is Manafort lied to Comey/FBI twice (2016 and then again in Feb 2017). Mueller has now been interviewing everyone else. I'm sure they've all been telling the truth.Well that ought to scare the hell out of any of these folks who have been interviewed by Mueller, because it means their crimes are viewed as continuing.
Yeah - it's crazy.Come on, guys. Yeah, sure, the one-time chair of the Trump campaign has been indicted for conspiracy against the United States. But who among us hasn't conspired against the United States from time to time?
It's interesting to me that Manafort told everyone that he had not been contacted.Gotta wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Trump. The fact that Manafort turned himself in willingly so quickly makes you wonder if he's planning on dealing and throwing absolutely everyone under the bus.
A pardon won't do any good if Manafort is dishing on Trump.
The fact that the WH is still as quiet as it is right now is pretty good evidence, IMO, that they are scared.
I think...he’s screwed
I see where you going with that.It's interesting to me that Manafort told everyone that he had not been contacted.
If Manafort (or anyone Mueller charges) is pre-emptively pardoned... do they lose Fifth Amendment privileges? Right now Manfort has the right to not incriminate himself and refuse to answer questions. Does he lose that right if there's nothing to incriminate him for?Pardon seems like the slightly more sane way to go.
Why would Manafort turn on Trump? Couldn't Trump just pardon him as part of a ###-for-tat? No real reason to throw people under the bus if Trump can just pardon him anyway. This is all assuming your thoughts are accurate. I'd expect we're still a long time from Trump getting in any type of real trouble if he even does.Gotta wonder if this is the beginning of the end for Trump. The fact that Manafort turned himself in willingly so quickly makes you wonder if he's planning on dealing and throwing absolutely everyone under the bus.
A pardon won't do any good if Manafort is dishing on Trump.
The fact that the WH is still as quiet as it is right now is pretty good evidence, IMO, that they are scared.
I won't be shocked if he's already talking...they do a predawn raid of his apartment for backup of the FINCEN data on the cash movements, but then let him turn himself in. That's more than a little fishy.It's interesting to me that Manafort told everyone that he had not been contacted.
Manafort might not turn (though my money is that he has/will), but the big dollar billionaires up to their eyeballs in this will and that has always been the weak point.Why would Manafort turn on Trump? Couldn't Trump just pardon him as part of a ###-for-tat? No real reason to throw people under the bus if Trump can just pardon him anyway. This is all assuming your thoughts are accurate. I'd expect we're still a long time from Trump getting in any type of real trouble if he even does.
Not sure what you're implying here, but you find me a better money launderer."I'm going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people"
I like money launderers that don't get caught...Not sure what you're implying here, but you find me a better money launderer.